Hello everyone!

[project beatrice]

Hi all☺️ I have no idea what I'm doing and how messages are sent or received but I've been following you all for years so feel like I know you! Or is that a bit strange.. Anyway, I've been wanting a girl for over 8 years and am going to do first attempt in April. Can I run my sway past anyone or do I need to join as a dream member?

X

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi again! Yes you got it!

Please hit me with whatever questions you have! No need to join as a Dream Member although there is more info in Dream Members section and it also helps support me and the site to keep us up and running. :)

[maidentomother]

Welcome and good luck!

[Beau82]

:wave: Hi there!
Absolutely post your sway plan. It's always nice to have another set of eyes to look things over.

[project beatrice]

Amazing! Thank you so much. I'll try and joint later.

Right, my sway... I am 37, 7 stone 10lb, 5ft 4, slim /petite frame. I thought I would have high testosterone as I often have bad skin, am hairy and few other usual high testosterone indicators but I had my bloods taken this week and all my hormones are in normal range which I am hoping is good for the sway!

I am doing the following diet:
- no breakfast as far as I can (if I do exercise sometimes I have a piece of toast)
- coffee and skimmed milk in the morning
- I am trying to have lunch at midday, snack around 4pm, dinner around 8pm. A couple of weeks before attempt I will drop the snack.
- no meat or fish
- I am trying to eat only smallish amounts of the following: pasta. Rice. Rice pasta. Rice noodles. Rice cakes. Corn tortillas. Bean sprouts. Iceberg lettuce. Rocket. Aubergine. Asparagus. Cucumber. Leeks. Radishes. Peppers. Broccoli. Green beans. Carrots. Strawberries. Apples. Pears. Cranberries. Raspberries. Low fat yoghurt. Skimmed milk. Unsalted butter. Coriander. Black pepper. Cumin. Paprika. Ginger. Mint. Veg oil. Water. Cranberry juice. Coffee. Aspartame in coffee (will up this couple of weeks prior to dtd).
And that is it!! I've done for two to three weeks so far and have had the odd piece of bread or Parmesan cheese on pasta, the odd bit of chocolate, sweet potato, and some almonds.
I have a constant headache (but assume that is because it is doing something as I usually eat a very high calorie and healthy diet).
- I am eating between 1200 and 1600 kcal a day. But I don't have much weight to lose, if any, so assume I should maintain on lowish calorie low nutrient diet and then reduce slightly just before

DH is not changing diet but having less meat (no meat for a week or two prior to dtd) and is having soy protein milk raspberry flaxseed smoothies daily.

I am taking folic acid 400mg /calcium magnesium (in two minds whether this is good or not?!) /very low dose sertraline for anxiety (which think sways pink so am upping from quarter tablet to half a table a day which the doc thinks I should do anyway..) /antihistamine from around 6 days prior to dtd/1 tablespoon physillium husk fibre /started 320 saw palmetto two days ago (will stop at ovulation) /70mg aspirin 3 times a week.

DH is being given (!) calcium magnesium /licorice root (currently 500mg but will up in April cycle) /vit c /cranberry /antihistamine around 5 days each day prior to dtd

I and DH will have a Benadryl prior to dtd.

I'm using beeswax candles /humidifier with lavender /salt lamp /more plants / will try and go for walks on beach etc near to dtd as able in the freezing cold! On day of dtd I am going to take DH for massage (primarily to spend a long time in the sauna heating up!!) - or will this only make a difference if dtd immediately after ?! I also need to buy him some tight pants!

I think will use rephresh but am looking into douching and jellies at the moment..?

I am going to try and do CFR at ovulation. I wanted to abstain (as thought DH may have a heart attack of go from once a month to twice a day!) but not advised with age (although we are both fit but don't think this matters). I don't think we would have the time to stick to FR. I am going for one attempt with a release outside a few hours earlier....?!

I got pregnant with both my boys a few days before ovulation (I thought I was swaying with DS 2 by taking calcium magnesium and doing cut off..)

I am spinning (and have been for 6 months) for an hour 4 or 5 times a week with one or two runs for 40 mins a week. I think I need to up this don't I as fear may be in boy territory..?!! But struggling with lack of energy and food to do it. Should I stop exercise completely couple of weeks prior to dtd to lose muscle mass or should I keep up the routine??

I usually have lots of ewcm and will test the ph of it this month. I do opk sticks to see when ovulating also.

I think that's it!! What do you think please. Anything I need to add or take away??

Thank you so much for your time x

[project beatrice]

Also sorry meant to say. I don't know what I think re alcohol. Do you think I should be having a gin and slimline tonic frequently or cutting it out completely? Same for coffee?! Xx

[project beatrice]

I am also a lawyer, highly stressed, and will get obsessed and write a billion lists for this attempt, which I understand isn't good for the sway. But is that only because it raises testosterone and if mine were low on blood test I'm assuming I'm ok to carry on list writing and frantically planning my seat every second..?! Last post I promise. Couldn't work out how to post and now I can't stop...

[Throwaway_panther]

Also sorry meant to say. I don't know what I think re alcohol. Do you think I should be having a gin and slimline tonic frequently or cutting it out completely? Same for coffee?! Xx
Including alcohol and coffee regularly is generally recommended. I conceived my daughter with 1-2 cups of daily coffee and pretty frequent alcohol intake, though mine was primarily craft beer which may be a slight bit more boyish.

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[maidentomother]

Your diet is TOO restrictive. You need more fat and more protein especially. Add cheese, nonfat yogurt, soy protein foods, legumes, and nuts. Also, wheat bread, wheat pasta, potatoes snd sweet potatoes are great for pink and the wheat products have a decent amount of protein. I think your headachs are due to not enough protein, and possibly low potassium. Remember it's not so much what foods you eat but the limits that matter. Are you getting at least 40g ptotein and 30g fat daily, on average? Especially when you're already slim, you can't afford to deprive yourself. Oh, and it's best to minimise butter as much as possible and to use rapeseed oil or margarine instead whenever possible.

I would drop the 4pm snack for sure, instead have a couple pieces of toast with your coffee in the am. That way you're only having 3 meals vs 4. Plus you'll need the extra cals if exercising

I would up FA to 800mcg minimum (or better yet switch to 1000-1200mcg folate) and drop the cal mag completely, as it sways blue if anything.

You should be exercising 60 minutes, minimum, uninterrupted, 6-7 days a week for best results.

Do not test your pH, it doesn't sway. I wouldn't bother with rephresh either.

[project beatrice]

Your diet is TOO restrictive. You need more fat and more protein especially. Add cheese, nonfat yogurt, soy protein foods, legumes, and nuts. Also, wheat bread, wheat pasta, potatoes snd sweet potatoes are great for pink and the wheat products have a decent amount of protein. I think your headachs are due to not enough protein, and possibly low potassium. Remember it's not so much what foods you eat but the limits that matter. Are you getting at least 40g ptotein and 30g fat daily, on average? Especially when you're already slim, you can't afford to deprive yourself. Oh, and it's best to minimise butter as much as possible and to use rapeseed oil or margarine instead whenever possible.

I would drop the 4pm snack for sure, instead have a couple pieces of toast with your coffee in the am. That way you're only having 3 meals vs 4. Plus you'll need the extra cals if exercising

I would up FA to 800mcg minimum (or better yet switch to 1000-1200mcg folate) and drop the cal mag completely, as it sways blue if anything.

You should be exercising 60 minutes, minimum, uninterrupted, 6-7 days a week for best results.

Do not test your pH, it doesn't sway. I wouldn't bother with rephresh either.

Thank you so much for your advice. I will drop the 4pm snack. But will probably up what I'm eating at other times so I survive ;)

I thought legumes /potatoes /nuts /rapeseed oil swayed blue ? I'm using app myfitnesspal and seem to be within the limits or over them most days. Potassium is hard to know though as it isn't recorded anywhere. I am having the odd sweet potato though.

I'll up my exercise from tomorrow..

Do we up folic acid to sway pink or for birth defects? And what is folate, why is it better please?

Thank you

[project beatrice]

Including alcohol and coffee regularly is generally recommended. I conceived my daughter with 1-2 cups of daily coffee and pretty frequent alcohol intake, though mine was primarily craft beer which may be a slight bit more boyish.

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Well that IS good news :) thank you

[atomic sagebrush]

I am also a lawyer, highly stressed, and will get obsessed and write a billion lists for this attempt, which I understand isn't good for the sway. But is that only because it raises testosterone and if mine were low on blood test I'm assuming I'm ok to carry on list writing and frantically planning my seat every second..?! Last post I promise. Couldn't work out how to post and now I can't stop...

We don't even KNOW that testosterone does anything for swaying. That is just a theory out of many, with some conflicting evidence. Whereas I will say 100% that the chicks that sit around making lists and trying to control their sway are the ones who get opposites. Feel free to do all the listmaking you need to in day to day life but DO NOT do it for your sway. Make a plan you can easily stick to and stick to it.

[atomic sagebrush]

You need to throw out the "magic foods" approach (doens't work, too restrictive) and focus on the "overall nutrient content of diet" approach.

!500-1800 cals a day, 40-50 g protein, 30-60 g fat. This is a low-normal, healthy prepregnancy diet.

Both 2 and 3 meals are equally acceptible. No need to drop snack before attempt and you may delay ovulation if you do that.

Cal-mag is at your discretion. I got boys taking them and dropped them to get my girl, but I understand that if you really believe in them you may want to take them. Just DON'T do the tons of dairy that some diets recommend, that is a recipe for a sway opposite.

Did you check with doc about combining saw palmetto, aspirin, and sertraline??? I would check on that and if your T level low I would not use SP

Folic needs to be more like 1200-1600 mcg. yes that's more than is recommended but you're eating less too

I woudl NOT bother with CFR. None of the frequency patterns got good results and the more you do, the lower your odds of conception are, and you shoot yourself in the foot by making it impossilbe to get pregnant with one attempt (one attempt works really well as a sway tactic) I would have him release every 2-4 days. If you MUST do frequency, use hurry up FR, have him release once then dump it, then DTD again as soon as he's able to using only last batch for attempt.

With jellies, same thinking applies - they cut odds of conception so much and aren't working anyway, prob. best to skip.

Exercise has gotten great results, I'd like to see you increase calories so you can add exercise.

Alcohol and coffee have gotten great results. :agree:

Did I miss anything?

[maidentomother]

Atomic, I was NOT suggesting she drop a 3rd meal, but rather that she eat her snack with her coffee in the am, as she mentioned needing to eat when exercising. So I'm advising her to drop what would likely be a 4th meal if she's exercising daily.

Those foods are really not that boy friendly, especially not when kept within limits. Potatoes and rapeseed oil in particular are very pink frienly. Butter on the other hand is EXTREMELY blue friendly. Also, I really don't think you should limit salt at all. It doesn't sway and too low salt could be part of why you're feeling so lackluster. Many of your ideas about what to eat are clearly based on the outdated sway tactics which don't work all that well. The LE diet done properly is quite different.

I agree CFR isnt worth it especially if it would be a hassle for DH. Just stick with one attempt.

SP and baby aspirin should be fine with Sertraline. I'm a pharmacist.

[Throwaway_panther]

Thank you so much for your advice. I will drop the 4pm snack. But will probably up what I'm eating at other times so I survive ;)

I thought legumes /potatoes /nuts /rapeseed oil swayed blue ? I'm using app myfitnesspal and seem to be within the limits or over them most days. Potassium is hard to know though as it isn't recorded anywhere. I am having the odd sweet potato though.

I'll up my exercise from tomorrow..

Do we up folic acid to sway pink or for birth defects? And what is folate, why is it better please?

Thank you

I believe legumes and rapeseed oil are more traditionally pink, but potatoes and nuts (when balanced with other sources of protein and Omega 3 fats) are more blue -- I think potatoes in isolation would be more pink just because of the emphasis on carb over protein. I may be wrong here though?

Folate is better than folic acid because, while both do the same thing, folate is the natural form digestible by everybody -- some people have MTHFR mutation which results in trouble processing folic acid (and often people don't know they have it). Folate, a.k.a the non-synthetic form of folic acid, just tends to be better for everyone over all. High folate is thought to sway boy, but really, high folate in general is just good for a.) fertility and b.) low birth defects. High intake of folate has even been linked to lower incidences of autism.

I was taking a prenatal with at least 800 mcg of folate before conceiving my daughter, in addition to a fairly folate-rich diet (asparagus, certain greens, mango juice, etc.)

As an aside: I've been on MFP for years. You can track your potassium (although I know not all foods list it unfortunately)!
- Under "Food," go to "Settings" (specifically the "settings" link under food, not "Home" or near your user name.)
- Under "Nutrients Tracked" and "Calories (Required)" are five drop down menus.
- Select Potassium to be tracked (it's directly below sodium and on top of carbohydrates in the list)

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, I was NOT suggesting she drop a 3rd meal, but rather that she eat her snack with her coffee in the am, as she mentioned needing to eat when exercising. So I'm advising her to drop what would likely be a 4th meal if she's exercising daily.

Those foods are really not that boy friendly, especially not when kept within limits. Potatoes and rapeseed oil in particular are very pink frienly. Butter on the other hand is EXTREMELY blue friendly. Also, I really don't think you should limit salt at all. It doesn't sway and too low salt could be part of why you're feeling so lackluster. Many of your ideas about what to eat are clearly based on the outdated sway tactics which don't work all that well. The LE diet done properly is quite different.

I agree CFR isnt worth it especially if it would be a hassle for DH. Just stick with one attempt.

SP and baby aspirin should be fine with Sertraline. I'm a pharmacist.

:agree: She was the one that said that not you, maiden.

My daughter is like 30% potato. There are whole cultures totally based on the humble potato, they just can't be these magic boy makin' foods. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I believe legumes and rapeseed oil are more traditionally pink, but potatoes and nuts (when balanced with other sources of protein and Omega 3 fats) are more blue -- I think potatoes in isolation would be more pink just because of the emphasis on carb over protein. I may be wrong here though?

Folate is better than folic acid because, while both do the same thing, folate is the natural form digestible by everybody -- some people have MTHFR mutation which results in trouble processing folic acid (and often people don't know they have it). Folate, a.k.a the non-synthetic form of folic acid, just tends to be better for everyone over all. High folate is thought to sway boy, but really, high folate in general is just good for a.) fertility and b.) low birth defects. High intake of folate has even been linked to lower incidences of autism.

I was taking a prenatal with at least 800 mcg of folate before conceiving my daughter, in addition to a fairly folate-rich diet (asparagus, certain greens, mango juice, etc.)

As an aside: I've been on MFP for years. You can track your potassium (although I know not all foods list it unfortunately)!
- Under "Food," go to "Settings" (specifically the "settings" link under food, not "Home" or near your user name.)
- Under "Nutrients Tracked" and "Calories (Required)" are five drop down menus.
- Select Potassium to be tracked (it's directly below sodium and on top of carbohydrates in the list)

The old school sway diets have potatoes as being boy friendly because of potassium. But we are finding that the whole "mineral balancing" idea is biologically impossible and the proposed mechanisms that they claimed sway via this method are also biologically impossible. It's your diet as a whole that sways and not a magic food approach. You can have a variety of foods for pink or blue provided they fit in the overall nutrient totals for the day.

One interesting thing we've found is that vegetable fats eaten in higher proportion to animal/saturated ones may sway pink more about that here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/39013-skinny-fats-pink-blue.html?highlight=skinny+fats

Folate is better, but a lot of people cannot afford it. Thus, I recommend folic acid for everyone and anyone who can use folate or needs to, then do so. Eveyrone needs to take folic acid or folate. Pink, blue, or plaid.

MFP is really misleading on potassium and sodium and I would not bother with the setting on those things, they give people more stress than they alleviate really.

[project beatrice]

We don't even KNOW that testosterone does anything for swaying. That is just a theory out of many, with some conflicting evidence. Whereas I will say 100% that the chicks that sit around making lists and trying to control their sway are the ones who get opposites. Feel free to do all the listmaking you need to in day to day life but DO NOT do it for your sway. Make a plan you can easily stick to and stick to it.

That is very scary. I feel like I'll forget something and have printed 60 lists for the next two months for daily checks!! I can see how crazy that sounds and given your opinion I will bin them and just try and relax s little more ! Thank you.

[atomic sagebrush]

That is very scary. I feel like I'll forget something and have printed 60 lists for the next two months for daily checks!! I can see how crazy that sounds and given your opinion I will bin them and just try and relax s little more ! Thank you.

If you trust me on any one thing, PLEASE make it this one. I promise, this is a biggie. Just try to make it a lifestyle and not "Swaymageddon 2016"

[project beatrice]

You need to throw out the "magic foods" approach (doens't work, too restrictive) and focus on the "overall nutrient content of diet" approach.

!500-1800 cals a day, 40-50 g protein, 30-60 g fat. This is a low-normal, healthy prepregnancy diet.

Both 2 and 3 meals are equally acceptible. No need to drop snack before attempt and you may delay ovulation if you do that.

Cal-mag is at your discretion. I got boys taking them and dropped them to get my girl, but I understand that if you really believe in them you may want to take them. Just DON'T do the tons of dairy that some diets recommend, that is a recipe for a sway opposite.

Did you check with doc about combining saw palmetto, aspirin, and sertraline??? I would check on that and if your T level low I would not use SP

Folic needs to be more like 1200-1600 mcg. yes that's more than is recommended but you're eating less too

I woudl NOT bother with CFR. None of the frequency patterns got good results and the more you do, the lower your odds of conception are, and you shoot yourself in the foot by making it impossilbe to get pregnant with one attempt (one attempt works really well as a sway tactic) I would have him release every 2-4 days. If you MUST do frequency, use hurry up FR, have him release once then dump it, then DTD again as soon as he's able to using only last batch for attempt.

With jellies, same thinking applies - they cut odds of conception so much and aren't working anyway, prob. best to skip.

Exercise has gotten great results, I'd like to see you increase calories so you can add exercise.

Alcohol and coffee have gotten great results. :agree:

Did I miss anything?

Brilliant. Thank you.

I'm going to drop calcium mag as I also got boys taking them (albeit not doing any other parts of sway..).

Hour run today and will up exercise.

Re coffee. Do I need to drink this at same time as meals so isn't like having a snack inbetween meals as quite few calories etc with the milk??

Re frequency I think I'm confused. I thought CRF was just once and dump and then dtd few hours later, but is that hurry up FR? I got pregnant with DS2 on one attempt at O-3. I thought releasing every 2-4 days was boy territory? Have checked DH sperm under DS microscope :) and I think he had very high count based on number per cm2.

Thank you; appreciated

[project beatrice]

I believe legumes and rapeseed oil are more traditionally pink, but potatoes and nuts (when balanced with other sources of protein and Omega 3 fats) are more blue -- I think potatoes in isolation would be more pink just because of the emphasis on carb over protein. I may be wrong here though?

Folate is better than folic acid because, while both do the same thing, folate is the natural form digestible by everybody -- some people have MTHFR mutation which results in trouble processing folic acid (and often people don't know they have it). Folate, a.k.a the non-synthetic form of folic acid, just tends to be better for everyone over all. High folate is thought to sway boy, but really, high folate in general is just good for a.) fertility and b.) low birth defects. High intake of folate has even been linked to lower incidences of autism.

I was taking a prenatal with at least 800 mcg of folate before conceiving my daughter, in addition to a fairly folate-rich diet (asparagus, certain greens, mango juice, etc.)

As an aside: I've been on MFP for years. You can track your potassium (although I know not all foods list it unfortunately)!
- Under "Food," go to "Settings" (specifically the "settings" link under food, not "Home" or near your user name.)
- Under "Nutrients Tracked" and "Calories (Required)" are five drop down menus.
- Select Potassium to be tracked (it's directly below sodium and on top of carbohydrates in the list)

Thank you so much for all this info and your time!

[project beatrice]

I also think my headaches were from aspartame. I never have it ordinarily and have noticed awful headaches each time add in. How important is this to the sway as soooo many people seem to have success living on crystal light (which I assume is like Diet Coke..!) x

[atomic sagebrush]

RE cal-mag my one boy was with boy friendly diet + cal-mag, my other boy was with full on pink sway plus cutting back on sodium. My other other two boys I was drinking tons of dairy (was with the other ones too.) It was sure no magic bullet for me, but i know it's hard to give up for some people. :) Let your gut instinct be your guide.

Coffee is fine at any point. Many of us have "cheated" and had this as breakfast and snack with milk (and I REALLY really cheated and even put real sugar in it, don't do that though if ou can help it) and still gotten girls. It can't be making any difference.

CFR is releasing for 2-3 times a day, 2-3 days before having one attempt. What you're describing is the "hurry up FR". I know we ALL have one boy or the other who we got with one attempt but the numbers don't lie, it's amongst our most successful pink sway tactics (when done with OTHER sway tactics, that is.) ALL frequency patterns have not proven very successful on their own. We originally started out thinking it was frequency that was swaying (because timing has been debunked) but over the course of time we realized it was number of attempts. No one had ever even guessed that number of attempts might sway. Since we dropped the focus on frequency and put it onto number of attempts, our results have skyrocketed. Now, some people do want to give frequency a try and that's totally cool, just that it's imperative to drop frequency BEFORE adding attempts. We experimented at first (not ahving any clue that one attempt could possibly sway at all) with keeping frequency but adding attempts and our results were absolultely terrible!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Aspartame is NOT IMPORTANT at all. I have seen people get boys while drinking aspartame to a level so unbelievably insane that it scares me. The exact same people who have diet drinks all day as a way of life are also often dieting and eating less healthfully in other ways too so keep in mind correlation does not equal causation.

I got my girl without it after getting 4th boy while using it.

[maidentomother]

Throwaway answered re folate. It is much better absorbed and FA may even be toxic.

You couldn't pay me to consume aspartame. Most girls conceived ever had moms who never touched the stuff. It's not important. I do think it sways pink slightly (UNLESS you have autoimmune issues in which case it may even sway BLUE), but so does arsenic and I wouldn't recommend that!

[Faithinpink]

Aspartame is NOT IMPORTANT at all. I have seen people get boys while drinking aspartame to a level so unbelievably insane that it scares me. The exact same people who have diet drinks all day as a way of life are also often dieting and eating less healthfully in other ways too so keep in mind correlation does not equal causation.

I got my girl without it after getting 4th boy while using it.


Interesting Thanks atomic, I have been using splenda for about 7yrs and have conceived 2 boys within that time frame, also like diet coke.
Is splenda the same as aspartame?
Don't recall using it when I conceived my first 2 boys tho.

[Faithinpink]

Aspartame is NOT IMPORTANT at all. I have seen people get boys while drinking aspartame to a level so unbelievably insane that it scares me. The exact same people who have diet drinks all day as a way of life are also often dieting and eating less healthfully in other ways too so keep in mind correlation does not equal causation.

I got my girl without it after getting 4th boy while using it.


Interesting Thanks atomic, I have been using splenda for about 7yrs and have conceived 2 boys within that time frame, also like diet coke.
Is splenda the same as aspartame?
Don't recall using it when I conceived my first 2 boys tho.

[maidentomother]

Splrnda is not the same. It is non toxic IMO snd doesn't sway in either direction.

[Faithinpink]

Sorry don't know why it double posted x

[Faithinpink]

Ohh thank u maiden xx

[project beatrice]

Throwaway answered re folate. It is much better absorbed and FA may even be toxic.

You couldn't pay me to consume aspartame. Most girls conceived ever had moms who never touched the stuff. It's not important. I do think it sways pink slightly (UNLESS you have autoimmune issues in which case it may even sway BLUE), but so does arsenic and I wouldn't recommend that!

Thank you. Agree. I'm going to forget trying to include this.. Thank you

[project beatrice]

RE cal-mag my one boy was with boy friendly diet + cal-mag, my other boy was with full on pink sway plus cutting back on sodium. My other other two boys I was drinking tons of dairy (was with the other ones too.) It was sure no magic bullet for me, but i know it's hard to give up for some people. :) Let your gut instinct be your guide.

Coffee is fine at any point. Many of us have "cheated" and had this as breakfast and snack with milk (and I REALLY really cheated and even put real sugar in it, don't do that though if ou can help it) and still gotten girls. It can't be making any difference.

CFR is releasing for 2-3 times a day, 2-3 days before having one attempt. What you're describing is the "hurry up FR". I know we ALL have one boy or the other who we got with one attempt but the numbers don't lie, it's amongst our most successful pink sway tactics (when done with OTHER sway tactics, that is.) ALL frequency patterns have not proven very successful on their own. We originally started out thinking it was frequency that was swaying (because timing has been debunked) but over the course of time we realized it was number of attempts. No one had ever even guessed that number of attempts might sway. Since we dropped the focus on frequency and put it onto number of attempts, our results have skyrocketed. Now, some people do want to give frequency a try and that's totally cool, just that it's imperative to drop frequency BEFORE adding attempts. We experimented at first (not ahving any clue that one attempt could possibly sway at all) with keeping frequency but adding attempts and our results were absolultely terrible!!

Thank you so much for your time. I'm dropping calcium magnesium tabs. Any benefit in DH taking these as I see that referred to quite a bit??

Understood re attempts /frequency, fascinating. Am I correct in saying then that the best thing is to release and dump with one attempt asap after ?

General protocol question! I assume I'm not supposed to post in this one thread forever.. But not sure what I am supposed to do. Do I start a new thread for new questions etc? Sorry...

[maidentomother]

You can keep using this thread or start a new one if it's a different major topic. Don't forget to use the search function bc atomic is awesome about making sure all posts are answered so for common queries there are often many threads full of info.

[project beatrice]

You can keep using this thread or start a new one if it's a different major topic. Don't forget to use the search function bc atomic is awesome about making sure all posts are answered so for common queries there are often many threads full of info.

Thank you. I do search for topics; I think I have read the entire site twice over! One more thing sorry, do you think I should be having pysillium husk fibre mixed with water with meals rather than inbetween so it isn't like a snack (albeit the least appetising snack I have ever eaten...!)

[maidentomother]

Fibre should be just before/with meals, not in between, forfat/vitamin absorption. Although you CAN have extra fibre in between meals as well, and in the case of psyllium husks that is essentially zero cals so not considered snacking.

[project beatrice]

Fibre should be just before/with meals, not in between, forfat/vitamin absorption. Although you CAN have extra fibre in between meals as well, and in the case of psyllium husks that is essentially zero cals so not considered snacking.

Brilliant. Thank you ☺️

[atomic sagebrush]

Splrnda is not the same. It is non toxic IMO snd doesn't sway in either direction.

I believe Splenda to be more harmful than aspartame IMO because I have personally had a reaction to Splenda that was very disconcerting (and i"m not alone). Aspartame can cause headaches but many people have bad reactions to Splenda as well.

Splenda is said to sway pink by the oldschool swayers.

[atomic sagebrush]

Can we please be cautious about tossing around the word TOXIC? Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion and everyone is always welcome to share said opinions, but then I'm the one who ends up with 456 panicked messages saying "so and so said this is it true." I have done a lot of research and I feel like what I recommend is safe, I'm certainly not in this to harm anyone or anyone's unborn baby so saying things that I recommend are TOXIC is really...meh to me.

Folate is better than folic acid. Yup. BUT the fact is that the majority of people can take folic acid perfectly fine and safe and it's really, really expensive to take folate. So much so that many people would not buy it (or not buy enough). Lack of folic acid is 100% proven to harm babies and it's the only supp proven to prevent birth defects when taken prior to conception. If you can afford folate instead, fab. But I got a baby with a neural tube defect when taking 800 mcg folic acid a day and eating a super healthy diet, so PLEASE take at least the 1200-1600 mcg a day I recommend. I have reasons for doing that.

Millions of people are using aspartame and Splenda every day. I know that there are people online who like to make them into boogeymen but most people tolerate them just fine and studies have been done that seem to indicate no bad effects of a reasonable intake. Those who don't (and like I said I personally don't tolerate Splenda) it's usualy pretty apparent right away.

I see people show up on this site every day who are taking "natural" supplements in insane, TOXIC amounts based on recommendations from some site or the other, and who would never let a drop of aspartame touch their lips. Just because something is man-made doesn't mean it's necessarily poison and just because something is natural doesn't mean it's therefore safe in massive doses either. I don't think aspartame or Splenda do anything for swaying. If you don't want to take them or don't trust them, don't use them. If you do want to use them, do it in safe amounts only. and EVERYONE must take either folic acid or folate. If you read that folic acid is TOXIC and then cannot afford folate, and thus decide to take neither, you are not doing yourself or your baby any favors at all.

I am a practical person and I have seen people do tons of very scary and frightening and misguided things when swaying. So my recommendations take all that into account. People DO get scared away from folic acid (for no reason) and then can't afford folate and take nothing. That actually happens. People come onto this site wanting to use aspartame and then if we don't allow them to do that in a safe/sane way and act like one sip of the stuff is like rat poison when it obviously isn't, they will go away to other sites where they will NOT encourage safety or sanity. I prefer to reserve my scare tactics for the things that are actually scary and try to take a common sense balanced approach on the rest.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you. I do search for topics; I think I have read the entire site twice over! One more thing sorry, do you think I should be having pysillium husk fibre mixed with water with meals rather than inbetween so it isn't like a snack (albeit the least appetising snack I have ever eaten...!)

Fiber needs to be WITH a meal. The point of the fiber for us is not to make ya poop but to absorb fats and fat soluble vitamins from the foods you eat. Taking it between meals means it doesn't get as mixed in with your meal and thus absorbs fewer fats/nutrients than if you have it with a meal. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much for your time. I'm dropping calcium magnesium tabs. Any benefit in DH taking these as I see that referred to quite a bit??

Understood re attempts /frequency, fascinating. Am I correct in saying then that the best thing is to release and dump with one attempt asap after ?

General protocol question! I assume I'm not supposed to post in this one thread forever.. But not sure what I am supposed to do. Do I start a new thread for new questions etc? Sorry...

It is totally up to you how you wish to post - if you want to keep all your qu's in one spot that's great, but it ~may~ be of more benefit to others to start different, topic based questions by subject in the title so those with similar questions can easily look them up and see the responses. Not everyone wil always weed through long threads with lots of questions in them. But that's totally up to you. :)

I have given the DH's cal-mag even though I do not believe it's of any benefit simply to allow people a way to keep it in the mix. We have some statistics form the early days of the IG site that show it is neutral for DHs and also that's what our stats show too. Since both sites have a different approach but coming up with same results that indicates to me it's unlikely it's doing anything for DH.

No, the best thing is ONE ATTEMPT. We do not have the quality of data to be able to say, this frequency is better than that freuquency for a variety of reasons. No frequency pattern has seemed to earn its keep and since we're getting great results with e4d (which technically is a blue frequency pattern) it's more clear to me than ever that frequency is not getting it done.

[project beatrice]

Hi all, could i ask a few more things please?

I've taken your advice and changed to relaxing into the sway as a lifestyle and enjoying other things and convincing myself what will be will be etc. This has come easier than i thought. I am still reading things and doing a few lists but this is more through interest and excitement and isn't to the same extent! I'm going to do first attempt in April, should ovulate around 22nd. Could i ask a few things for some advice /clarification please?

I've been on a vegetarian and (mostly) LE diet for about 6 weeks now. I always have a 33 day or so cycle with a luteal phase of 11 days. last month ovulation was delayed by a week which has never happened. This may be the saw palmetto (although i stopped this 3 days before i thought i was going to ovulate) or, more likely, i think i wasn't eating enough calories (around 1200 per day with hours exercise). I upped my calorie intake and have ovulated.

so, what i would love some advice on is the following:

1. i dont want to put on weight on the ttc pink, i am planning on keeping calories at around 1500 for the next few weeks and lower just slightly a couple of weeks before attempt - best way to go??

2. if i am keeping within the limits for the LE diet, does it matter if i eat high fat foods within that, for example a cream egg - or should this be just an occasional treat? i know it sounds ridiculous to ask but as its becoming a lifestyle diet i want to understand the best way forward and dont want to be doing something everyday that i am not realising may sway blue.

3. DH is taking two tablets of 250mg of the following licorice root, so 500mg each morning:
Viridian
Standardised Licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra) root
(20% glycerrhizinic acid) 250mg
In a base of alfalfa, spirulina & bilberry

Would you advise i up this dose??

4. I know calcium magnesium isnt thought to sway now; what are the current thoughts on DH taking this supplement? Should i give to him?

5. DH is having a full fat milk and soya milk smoothie with soya protein powder and flaxseed in each morning - please tell me if any part of this is considered incorrect for the sway

6. i am having no meat and no (or very little) cheese. I am having small amounts of paneer and tofu; again, i assume this is ok? I am also have brown rice milk half the term (skimmed milk other half)

7. Diet and antihistamine do not seem to have got rid of ewcm; it may be slightly thicker and maybe slightly less in amount but still plentiful - should i do anything re this?

Sorry to list questions; any advise is greatly appreciated!!!

[project beatrice]

Fiber needs to be WITH a meal. The point of the fiber for us is not to make ya poop but to absorb fats and fat soluble vitamins from the foods you eat. Taking it between meals means it doesn't get as mixed in with your meal and thus absorbs fewer fats/nutrients than if you have it with a meal. :)

Sorry I've just seen these messages. Wonderful, thank you. I've been having with meals for past week or so and will continue. Thank you

[project beatrice]

It is totally up to you how you wish to post - if you want to keep all your qu's in one spot that's great, but it ~may~ be of more benefit to others to start different, topic based questions by subject in the title so those with similar questions can easily look them up and see the responses. Not everyone wil always weed through long threads with lots of questions in them. But that's totally up to you. :)

I have given the DH's cal-mag even though I do not believe it's of any benefit simply to allow people a way to keep it in the mix. We have some statistics form the early days of the IG site that show it is neutral for DHs and also that's what our stats show too. Since both sites have a different approach but coming up with same results that indicates to me it's unlikely it's doing anything for DH.

No, the best thing is ONE ATTEMPT. We do not have the quality of data to be able to say, this frequency is better than that freuquency for a variety of reasons. No frequency pattern has seemed to earn its keep and since we're getting great results with e4d (which technically is a blue frequency pattern) it's more clear to me than ever that frequency is not getting it done.

Atomic, thank you again for your time. I have just seen the above message so if you are able to respond to my latest email of earlier today ignore point 4 as you have kindly answered above. Ok, so one attempt without the hurry up release outside and doesn't really matter how many releases you do outside prior to that attempt..? Thank you. Appreciated

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: the first few times you don't go to Defcon 5 and nobody dies, it's like a sigh of relief and yeah it does get easier. :)

:agree: prob a combo of diet and SP. it can take a while even after stopping the SP, unfortunately.

I really, vastly, immensely, immeasurably prefer that all but like 1.3% of everyone is at 1500-1800 cals. The ONLY people who should ever, ever, ever, to infinity and beyond ever, be at 1200-1500 cals are people who are super petite and may only eat 1500-1800 cals normally, those who have more than 50 lbs to lose, and those who have plateaued. EVERYONE else, I want you at 1500-1800. Don't cut back before O. It only makes your body "nervous" and may delay O to cut back on cals at the last minute.

you absolutely can have ANYTHING you want if you're in limits of the day. That isn't even a cheat. Additionaly, you should have the occasional cheat. So if you're hankering after a cream egg, go for it. I can assure you that my mom, who had mostly girls, didn't skip out on the occasional cream egg. Now she didn't make a habit of eating them 5 at a time, but when one came her way she had it. Part of it being a lifestyle is that you aren't looking at everything as "no-no forbidden" kind of things.

He's fine where he's at on the LR.

I allow DH to take it even though I have a large chunk of data from the early days of IG that shows it is neutral for DH. It's a way to keep it in the mix and since the info comes from IG I believe it is reliable (after all, with all the other things they're doing to sway, if cal-mag by DH is STILL neutral, I tend to think it probably IS neutral)

Soymilk and flaxseed I believe would only be pink-friendly for DH.

Dietary amounts of soy are fine for you. Rice milk and skim milk also fine for anyone without PCOS tendencies.

wE don't even KNOW that we do have to have less or no CM. It is very possible that there are changes that we can't see with the naked eye that are swaying. Many of us (myself included) got CM opposites and it's kinda hard for me to believe it any more after getting a boy with no visible CM and a girl with a fair bit. Longer time on diet may make a difference.

[project beatrice]

:agree: the first few times you don't go to Defcon 5 and nobody dies, it's like a sigh of relief and yeah it does get easier. :)

:agree: prob a combo of diet and SP. it can take a while even after stopping the SP, unfortunately.

I really, vastly, immensely, immeasurably prefer that all but like 1.3% of everyone is at 1500-1800 cals. The ONLY people who should ever, ever, ever, to infinity and beyond ever, be at 1200-1500 cals are people who are super petite and may only eat 1500-1800 cals normally, those who have more than 50 lbs to lose, and those who have plateaued. EVERYONE else, I want you at 1500-1800. Don't cut back before O. It only makes your body "nervous" and may delay O to cut back on cals at the last minute.

you absolutely can have ANYTHING you want if you're in limits of the day. That isn't even a cheat. Additionaly, you should have the occasional cheat. So if you're hankering after a cream egg, go for it. I can assure you that my mom, who had mostly girls, didn't skip out on the occasional cream egg. Now she didn't make a habit of eating them 5 at a time, but when one came her way she had it. Part of it being a lifestyle is that you aren't looking at everything as "no-no forbidden" kind of things.

He's fine where he's at on the LR.

I allow DH to take it even though I have a large chunk of data from the early days of IG that shows it is neutral for DH. It's a way to keep it in the mix and since the info comes from IG I believe it is reliable (after all, with all the other things they're doing to sway, if cal-mag by DH is STILL neutral, I tend to think it probably IS neutral)

Soymilk and flaxseed I believe would only be pink-friendly for DH.

Dietary amounts of soy are fine for you. Rice milk and skim milk also fine for anyone without PCOS tendencies.

wE don't even KNOW that we do have to have less or no CM. It is very possible that there are changes that we can't see with the naked eye that are swaying. Many of us (myself included) got CM opposites and it's kinda hard for me to believe it any more after getting a boy with no visible CM and a girl with a fair bit. Longer time on diet may make a difference.

Thank you so much. That's really useful. Can I ask: if I'm eating 1500 kcal a day and doing exercise which gets rid of 500 kcals; should I be eating 2000 kcal which takes me down to 1500 kcal after exercise or eating 1500 kcal which would take me down to 1000 kcal after exercise??

Thank you again; appreciated.

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't want you guys doing algebra equations about cals eaten vs. burned (I think it's the same kind of thing like the preprinted schedules and stuff we talked about before). I want you guys instead to just eat the LE Diet limits and then let your weight loss (if any) be your guide. If weight flies off, up cal guidelines (and fudge on the protein and fat a bit too if you need to) till it stops.

[Throwaway_panther]

:agree: the first few times you don't go to Defcon 5 and nobody dies, it's like a sigh of relief and yeah it does get easier. :)

:agree: prob a combo of diet and SP. it can take a while even after stopping the SP, unfortunately.

I really, vastly, immensely, immeasurably prefer that all but like 1.3% of everyone is at 1500-1800 cals. The ONLY people who should ever, ever, ever, to infinity and beyond ever, be at 1200-1500 cals are people who are super petite and may only eat 1500-1800 cals normally, those who have more than 50 lbs to lose, and those who have plateaued. EVERYONE else, I want you at 1500-1800. Don't cut back before O. It only makes your body "nervous" and may delay O to cut back on cals at the last minute.

you absolutely can have ANYTHING you want if you're in limits of the day. That isn't even a cheat. Additionaly, you should have the occasional cheat. So if you're hankering after a cream egg, go for it. I can assure you that my mom, who had mostly girls, didn't skip out on the occasional cream egg. Now she didn't make a habit of eating them 5 at a time, but when one came her way she had it. Part of it being a lifestyle is that you aren't looking at everything as "no-no forbidden" kind of things.

He's fine where he's at on the LR.

I allow DH to take it even though I have a large chunk of data from the early days of IG that shows it is neutral for DH. It's a way to keep it in the mix and since the info comes from IG I believe it is reliable (after all, with all the other things they're doing to sway, if cal-mag by DH is STILL neutral, I tend to think it probably IS neutral)

Soymilk and flaxseed I believe would only be pink-friendly for DH.

Dietary amounts of soy are fine for you. Rice milk and skim milk also fine for anyone without PCOS tendencies.

wE don't even KNOW that we do have to have less or no CM. It is very possible that there are changes that we can't see with the naked eye that are swaying. Many of us (myself included) got CM opposites and it's kinda hard for me to believe it any more after getting a boy with no visible CM and a girl with a fair bit. Longer time on diet may make a difference.
Yeah, I had insane amounts of EWCM when conceiving my girl. I think people forget that you need CM period generally for fertility!

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[project beatrice]

I don't want you guys doing algebra equations about cals eaten vs. burned (I think it's the same kind of thing like the preprinted schedules and stuff we talked about before). I want you guys instead to just eat the LE Diet limits and then let your weight loss (if any) be your guide. If weight flies off, up cal guidelines (and fudge on the protein and fat a bit too if you need to) till it stops.

Thank you Atomic, totally understood and not sure why didnt come to that conclusion myself from previous posts etc. Have taken this on board and relaxed a little more again; i can tell that generally i have been doing the right thing over the past 7 weeks or so regardless of the calorie count for each day etc. Thank you

[project beatrice]

Can I some advice please Atomic or anyone else.. And apologies firstly as I cannot remember how to start a new thread!! So, since my initial post in April Ive had four attempts and 1 chemical. I went to see a fertility consultant who checked my AMH egg reserve (normal range at 11) and checked 21 day progesterone (normal range at 51.3). He is happy that I am ovulating on my own. he has however given me a prescription for clomid and said he would still be happy for me to take a low dose of it. My question therefore is, do we currently think clomid still sways? I have relaxed the LE diet quite a bit. In April I lost as much weight as I had room for, and stuck to the diet religiously for 3 months. Since then ive been off and on it, although been vegetarian and exercised for 10 months, and have tried to keep a broad principle of the diet. However, I am on day 3 of cycle today so by the time I ovulate I will only have strictly done the diet again for a few weeks. Is clomid likely to sway in these circumstances or do I need to have done the diet for longer? Also, given I ovulate on my own I think clomid would increase changes of multiples /number of eggs so unless we think it would sway I would leave it. Finally, my consultant said that he only advises to take on day 2-6 as it doesn't work any later.. I have read lots that earlier produces more eggs and 5-9 less but better quality - do we know if this is the case? I will probably have to start taking today /tomorrow if I am going to. Thank you all!

[atomic sagebrush]

I think I replied to this in another thread, PB.