Help! Should we DTD tonight? Can't decide what to do :(

[honeybee37]

Sorry for the anxious post... SO basically, this was our first 'proper' month of TTC. I've been on the diet properly since 1st January, did it mostly throughout December and always skipped breakfast and was vegetarian, however Christmas week I didn't monitor fat or protein levels.
I did cardio from 28th December to end Jan, but then we all got a chest infection so I didn't start up again with the daily 60-70min until around 20th Feb. I've been taking fibre, Vitex, folic acid and DH has been on LR and Cran, plus he's also gone vegetarian.
This month, because Vitex seems to be doing weird things to my ovulation, we decided to go for e4d. We had attempts on CD9, CD13 and today is CD17. Yesterday evening I had really strong ovulation cramps for half an hour which in the past I have always assumed meant the egg was being released. However, today I still have loads of EWCM.
Would you DTD tonight, on what could probably be the actual ovulation day? My OPK line was v dark yesterday but I didn't want to DTD as that would have only been 3 days since last attempt.
Is the thing about Y sperm being fast swimmers total rubbish? And do you think only having done the cardio for basically 3 weeks is going to harm the sway? Part of me wants to wait until next month so I'll have done more cardio and can hopefully time the DTD a bit better. Also, loads of EWCM this month despite antihistamines.
Sorry for the all the details and general neurosis over here!! Any thoughts would be most welcome!

[maidentomother]

Yes BD tonight. There is ZERO evidence that Y sperm swim faster, it's been disproven a hundred times over and was never ptoven to begin with.

[honeybee37]

Thanks maiden. I just worry that because I've only been exercising for three week, this has temporarily raised my testosterone which maybe explains the abundant EWCM and maybe puts me in boy territory? I took an antihistamine yesterday, I guess I could take another today too and hope it does the trick!

[maidentomother]

No. I don't believe that about exercise as done for pink and we don't even know that T sways. If your EWCM doesn't respond to the AH, you could try pseudoephedrine (make sure it's the right one, you'll need to show your license and sign a book in the US). I find it much more effective for drying up my CM. Also not all AHs are equal, only chlorpheniramine dries my CM at all, the other AHs do nothing. Pseudo dries my up MUCH more, though.

[honeybee37]

Is that sudafed? I think I have some in the cupboard. I'm in the uk where I think you can buy in supermarkets. If I've missed the window of opportunity this month, I'll try that next month. I don't get why the Le diet hasn't changed it - I've lost 14 pounds!

[maidentomother]

Yes Sudafed is the first brand name but not all types actually contain pseudoephedrine, so check the active ingredients.

[Dreamgirl01]

I am on the exact same cd; 17, also dtd cd 13 and also had a positive ovulation test yesterday, and cramps last night. But i through every 4 days is 4 days between, so its 3 whole days between? I'm also on clomid. Sorry to jump in here!!

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[honeybee37]

Dreamgirl01 how funny!! I did ask in a previous thread about e4d and maiden and atomic both said it is every fourth day, so 9,13,17 etc. I am kind of tempted to go for it tonight and see what happens, although still worried I've not been doing cardio for long enough. I did 80min today tho, just in case! How many months have you been TTC?

[maidentomother]

Hi Dreamgirl, people do it both ways but for most of us E4D means 3 days in between. So CD13, CD17, CD21 etc. Good luck with your attempt!

[Dreamgirl01]

It is funny!! And exiting! This is our first month ttc, and i've been on the Le diet for 10 weeks. I don't exersice because i can't fit it in. Also i started the diet on the same day as you did! I think we will have a try again today. If my egg already is released it would have to go with the monday attempt. Really good that you are exorcising, good Job👍

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[honeybee37]

Good luck, dreamgirl! Such a coincidence!

[Dreamgirl01]

Thank you! Same to you! 🍀

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[honeybee37]

I don't think we are going to attempt tonight. I just can't get over the idea that conceiving on O day sways blue... It's only or first proper ttc month and I think I'd be freaking out for nine months if we gt pregnant this month... Or am I being stupid?? Has there actually been a study done into DtD on a certain day and the baby's gender? I guess there must've been....

[maidentomother]

Yes there have been numerous studies showing timing DOESN'T sway, that there are NO differencs between X and Y sperm in either speed or longevity. The idea stems from one man who MADE IT UP, it was never based on sny proof, but it was spread so widely that now everyone believes. Well, many. There are lots of myths like that too. But it's 100%, I would bet my life on it and all humanity's life on it bullshit!

It doesn't even make sense logically, neither X nor Y could have such dramatically different traits as it would skew the gender ratio too much. Also, sperm are produced via mieiosis. So one cell with 46 chromosomes including both an X and Y gets split into 2 sperm cells each with 22 chromosomes and and X or Y. Other than the exact genetic info they carry, they are IDENTICAL bc of how meiosis cell division works. They CAN'T have different traits like speed/longevity.

[Sophia86]

Sorry to gatecrash, but that's a great read that you wrote in your last comment Maiden.

If there is no difference whatsoever, how come frequency sways? Why does a bigger volume of sperm give advantage to the boys if they are both the same? X

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I'd def. be in with attempt tonight

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry to gatecrash, but that's a great read that you wrote in your last comment Maiden.

If there is no difference whatsoever, how come frequency sways? Why does a bigger volume of sperm give advantage to the boys if they are both the same? X

No one knows. We can speculate but I find that the more we speculate, the more people focus on speculation instead of just doing what actually works.

Frequency has not been very effective anyway. Much more effective is the one attempt and we honestly do not even KNOW if more sperm even realy truly = more boys

[atomic sagebrush]

Please read the following essays for full explanations

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-and-scientific-research/1562-what-real-differences-between-x-sperm-y-sperm.html

[maidentomother]

We don't know why multiple attempts sways blue, but I have some ideas. One is that women's bodies respond to unprotected BD, to chemicals in semen. This can cause increased EWCM and may also affect the protein markers on the outside of eggs, which can then preferentially allow Y vs X sperm entry. Atomic has a theory that the number of sperm present in a woman's reproductive tract may affect intra-sperm signalling in some way that sways. Probably there are multiple effects. Unfortunately it would be very difficult if not impossible to study in vivo and there's just not enough money in swaying, and it isn't a serious health matter, so it's not studied much. Ultimately the details don't matter, only what works. We KNOW that number of attempts is swaying significantly and timing isn't at all.

Also, while I do think number of attempts sways, I think diet, exercise and other factors which strongly impact maternal condition have a MUCH stronger effect on swaying. Which makes sense, as that enables women's bodies to respond to environmental cues by conceiving the most evolutionarily successful gender offspring.

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: yes guys please try to keep in mind that while we get good results with one attempt, that is ALWAYS one attempt PLUS diet, exercise, and other stuff. it's not one attempt in a person doing everything in their power to sway blue - two different scenarios.

Another idea I find plausible is that maybe fewer sperm might make it just a tad easier for X to penetrate the eggshell and more sperm might make it just a tad easier for Y to penetrate the eggshell. It takes more than one sperm, and the actions of all of them weaken the eggshell. X sperm are just a teensy bit bigger (not massively bigger like Shettles claimed, but just a smidge) and it may be a sheerly mechanical thing - like a sharp pencil might be able to more easily go through a piece of thin paper, while a less sharp pencil might have a better chance going through cardboard if it could work at it a minute or two.

Agree totally that it is probably more than one thing and also would suspect it's possibly something we haven't even guessed at yet.