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[Babyblues1]

Words can not describe how I'm feeling right now. I flew from Japan to Cali for PGD with Dr Potter. All of my embryos were abnormal. Has anyone had success after a similar cycle. This can't be over yet.

[essnce629]

I'm so sorry. That really sucks.

[Blueplease]

I am so sorry to hear this.

If you look at
Dreamingpink22 cycle she also had all abnormals in November. Has just cycled again ET only in feb and is going over beg April for a fet. So no it's not over. Think it through, contact HRC about your protocol and decide from there. Gd luck X


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[nicoler]

Oh I'm so sorry to hear this! Hugs to you. An NT is hard, I know.

Have you considered becoming a Dream Member? I'd highly recommend it and you'll receive the support of so many ladies that have been and are going through this process. There's lots of private HT boards where you'll find tons of info. You can also post your cycle info and some of the ladies might be able to look things over and offer suggestions.

Hang in there! Make yourself a plan and move forward. I'm just waiting on the results from my second cycle and things went so much better for me this time. Sometimes a change in protocol is all you need. The first go of it is really a best guess based on your pretesting. This can work for you yet!

[nicoler]

Forgot to mention! Becoming a Dream member also gets you $1000 off your cycle with Dr Potter should you decide to try again.

[nuthinbutpink]

I'm very sorry. Yes, it happens and yes, it can still work if you can try again.

How old are you? How did your cycle go until the PGD results? Did you have any normals at all? Sometimes, people end up with a NT due to no normals of their desired gender. Other times, there are simply no normals at all. Hopefully, protocol can be adjusted for you.

[Babyblues1]

No normals at all. I had 6 eggs retrieved and fertilized. Only 4 made it testing. All four had abnormal chromosome.

[nicoler]

How old are you?

[Babyblues1]

I'm 34

[Babyblues1]

Nicoler, I just noticed your siggy say that you were headed back to HRC in March. When were you there? I just got back today.

[nicoler]

I had my retrieval on the 14th and left shortly after. I'm planning on going back at a later date for FET (if there are any XX).

What gender are you seeking?

[Babyblues1]

I had my retrieval on the 18th. We barely missed eachother. I got there on the 15th. I'm trying for a girl.

[Babyblues1]

They haven't given you results yet? Did he change your protocol at all? I think I would rather try a milder stim process next time.

[nuthinbutpink]

Was your pretesting poor? 6 eggs is a low retrieval number for 34. If you needed aggressive amounts to yield 6, lowering stims may yield fewer eggs than that.

[nicoler]

No, embryo results for planned FET take longer now as there is additional testing they've started doing on the embryos. I should hear tomorrow hopefully.

A milder stim protocol might not help you. What were your pretesting numbers? AFC? FSH? AMH? Etc. What dose of Gonal and Menopur were you on? Did you get to meet with Dr Potter before you left?

[Babyblues1]

My Amh is 1.46. Lh is 10.33. Fsh is 4.04 e2 is 46.94

My protocol was 75 menupur and 300 gonal f for 10 days then ganirelix continued with same dosage of menupur and gonal f. I don't know if this was aggressive or not.

[nuthinbutpink]

Were you on metformin? You say you have PCOS. How is your BMI? Did you eat low carb leading up to your cycle?

Your dosage is based on your pretesting and I am a little surprised you were on an antagonist protocol. That's not his typical first cycle approach so there must be a reason he chose that for you. What was your pretesting AFC?

You didn't get that many eggs but with PCOS, you usually have too many follickes to start and a big AFC. It can be difficult to manage any cycle with PCOS.

[Babyblues1]

Yes, I was on Metformin, but only for 30 days. My BMI is 35..... I know super fat. :( No I was not eating low carb leading up to cycle. I had sent an email about the medifast diet I was eating and received no feedback about my diet. What is an antagonist protocol? What is AFC, I don't recall AFV on my pretesting orders. I had a large cyst on my ovary before the cycle started. Lori sent me an email specifically stating that these particular cysts were not PCOS cysts and that the BC and my next period would clear them out.

[nuthinbutpink]

You're really killing your chances with that BMI, Hun. Weight really affects our hormones and gave you PCOS which leads to poor quality eggs.

I wouldn't cycle until you can get healthy. I wouldn't cycle with a cyst. The good news is, you can do something about your quality. Many of us simply cannot and there is little hope. You can take control and choose to get healthy though. I know it is hard but it will make a huge difference.

[Babyblues1]

I wish it were that simple. I've had 3 registered dietitians ( mtf center so they move often) and I work with trainers. Each RD has helped me tweak my macros in many directions over the last 3 years. None of it works. My last real effort ended after 6 months of following my RD's plan and I had a trainer for my am workouts and a 2nd trainer for my pm workouts. 6 months of no cheats, carrying a food scale with me everywhere, following a professional personalized plan and 2 a day workouts. Not getting results after that much effort steals your motivation. My Dr couldn't beleive it either and the actually performed an MRI on my pituitary looking for tumors. I'm pushing 35, I can't wait for the impossible either. I know it sounds unbelievable. But it's all true. I have 2 kids and after my last birth I lost all the baby weight and maintained at size 4-6 for years. Then out of nowhere I gained 50lbs in 6 months while religiously doing HIIT routines.
I wish losing weight were an option for me. Or if you think you know of an approach that is so unique that 3 RD's and years of Google research hasn't revealed I'm all ears. I've done 30/30/40 split, moderate slow burning carbs ( veggies) with low fat, ketogenics, 21 day fix, timing consumption of fat an carbs at least 3 hours apart, ......... I already only drink water, black coffee,and unsweetened green tea.

If there was an eating plan that worked for me, I wouldn't be fat. I'm not lazy, or uniformed. Honestly, if you have an idea that is new, I'm all ears.

[nuthinbutpink]

Well, I am certainly not a doctor but I am a mother of a special needs child that has global low tone and an issue where her body fails to make lean muscle mass like typical people so I do have some expertise on the subject.

I can tell you this, after meeting with the best dietitians in the USA, the only way to control weight gain, even with a genetic condition, is lots of cardio and low-carb diet.

It really is impossible to put on an extreme amount of weight if you were burning more calories than you are consuming throughout the day. The only way to lose weight is to do cardio that gets your heart rate up for an extended amount of time. You also do have to watch your carbohydrate intake. As you know carbs simply break down into sugar which turns to fat.

My daughter actually has a genetic condition which makes losing weight tremendously difficult. What she has is not something that you can just suddenly get later on in life. It sounds like you have been through a lot. If you truly have gone through that to try to lose weight and you really have burned more calories then you are taking and throughout the day, the only answer is you have some sort of immunity issue or an endocrine issue that needs to be diagnosed and handled.

At your BMI, IVF success is rare. You really need to do some research and read about low-carb diet specifically related to IVF success and how it can help someone with a weight issue and with PCOS increase their chances.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't already be eating low-carb given your current health situation. It doesn't make sense that if you consistently worked out doing cardio seven days a week and ate a low-carb, low-calorie diet that you wouldn't lose weight. If that is truly the case, you do need medical assistance and a diagnosis.

[TRL]

I'm assuming you have had you thyroid tested?

[nuthinbutpink]

This is a neat tool - Calorie Calculator (http://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html?ctype=standard&cage=41&csex=f&cheightfeet=5&cheightinch=2&cpound=122&cheightmeter=180&ckg=60&cactivity=1.375&printit=0&x=66&y=15)

It has a food item calorie guide a little ways down.

[Blueplease]

I have no advise but wish you all the best X


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[Shannshaff]

I just wanted to throw this out there, have you been tested for food allergies?
I ask this because my SIL was a bigger girl (tall and big frame) and was having a heck of a time with weight gain in he late 20's. She did blood tests and found out that her body can't process simple sugars and complex sugars if eaten at the same time. Weird, I know. She is also allergic to dairy and glucose. Once she followed a strict diet of no dairy or gluten, she lost 50 lbs in 1-2 months and feels so much better.
So, if you have had thyroid and hormones checked and all are good, I would get blood food allergy testing done to see if all of the "healthy" diet foods you are eating are really hurting your body.
Just another avenue for you to check into and I hope and pray you get answers because I can tell that you are quite frustrated with the whole situation. ((HUGS))