Genetic Disorder?

[TaytumJ]

This is random, and probably me just having anxiety, but I'd like an opinion from you ladies.

Backstory: I have a co-worker who has 3 boys and his wife is due with a girl on Monday. They lost a little girl between DS2 & DS3. When I asked today about it, another co-worker said, "They found out two months before she was due she had herpes simplex 9. It only affects her and will only affect any girls they have. The baby died shortly after birth 2 months later. They took fluid from this baby early on and found out it's a girl and she has it too but they were able to do interventions early on and everything is fine."

So naturally it kind of just freaked me out - what if I have this?! I've never even heard of this (which makes me think co-worker B made that term up because they didn't know the correct term). Is there such thing as this?

And also, I've gotten cold sores since I was a kid - my dad and fraternal grandmother have them so I always assumed mine are just genetic. BUT, now I'm freaking out that I've got some sort of HSV that will pass on to baby! And of course, Google just perpetuates the fear, so I had to get off there and come to the real experts!


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[Bluebooties]

Herpes simplex 9 ? Or it it a typo ?

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[TaytumJ]

Lol no - that's what he told me!! That's why I think he made that up because he couldn't remember what it was. I was hoping someone on here with more gender specific disorders knowledge could shed some light.


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[familymatters]

Have you done a Google search? I once heard of a mum who gave birth vaginally whilst with active genital herpes sores. The virus infected the baby and it died. I've also heard of babies getting sick and dying from being kissed by people with herpe sores on their faces. But that doesn't sound like what your co worker was talking about, it sounds like something in utero.

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[XXforhubby]

Ok. Take a deep breath [emoji6]. Sounds like she had genital herpes which can cause birth acquired herpes and can infect the infant in the womb in some cases.

Cold sores are a different form of the herpes virus and can only be passed to the infant from kissing the baby on the lips, or the baby touching the lesions when a person has an outbreak.

The both forms of herpes that are potentially life threatening if the newborn comes in contact with the virus. A women that only gets cold sores sheds the virus throughout her body even though lesions only form on the mouth. Genital herpes are of a concern because the vagina and cervix can have lesions that may not be seen and can infect the baby during delivery.

For cold sores, make certain to not kiss the baby or allow the baby to touch you or anyone with lesions.

Hope this helps!!


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[TaytumJ]

@familymatters - I agree; sounds like something they found when she was around 7 months pregnant, and they knew baby wasn't going to live past birth. I did try to google, but without specifics it didn't come up with much.

@XX - I know, I need to just have faith this has been such a smooth pregnancy and I'm going to give birth to a healthy babe in a few short weeks. It must be that new mom symptom! [emoji6]

My only fear is that of course in my google searching I found worse case scenarios. No more!


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[Bluebooties]

Have u ever had genital herpes ?

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[TaytumJ]

Not that I've ever noticed or felt, as I would assume I would know since I've had cold sores. And of course in my googling I found a statistic that said women with HSV1 could be carriers of genital with no symptoms or outbreaks.


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[Bluebooties]

If u have cold sores recurrently chances are that u already have a good load of antibodies built up in response and so by transmission ur r giving ur baby protection against a nasty HSV1 infection as well.
Getting a primary herpes infection in pregancy whether it be HSV1 or HSV 2 is more dangerous since u as a mum u have no antibodies to pass to baby just the virus.
Congenital herpes can be fatal so i am thinking ur co-workers baby had that.
If u get active primary or recurrent genital herpes in pregnancy or if u have a history of recurrent genital herpes then u will be pretreated with antivirals starting 36 weeks to decrease viral shedding and a c section is necessary (for active lesions more than a history of genital herpes).
After delivery if ur prone to recurrent cold sore avoid kissing the baby.



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[TaytumJ]

Thanks bluebooties! That was kind of what I gathered - I had one cold sore outbreak back at like 5/6 weeks, but since then nothing. I have an appt Monday so I'll ask my doctor about it then just to ease my mind.

And I'm just going to ask co-worker what happened tomorrow. He'll probably tell me it was an unfortunate thing and nothing to worry about!


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[Bluebooties]

U can get sero typing done to see if u have just HSV 1 or both HSV 1 and HSV 2 antibodies. In case u dont have HSV 2 then u need to take all preventive measures to avoid getting a primary HSV2 infection during pregnancy. Like i said a primary infection is much more dangerous that old/recurrent infection

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[maidentomother]

Are you sure you have herpes? Are the sores inside or outside your mouth? True cold sores, inside the mouth, are not herpes. They're due to a weakened immune system.

[TaytumJ]

They're usually in the same part on my upper lip. It's gotten to the point now where I only get them though if my lips get sunburned or I get sick with a fever. I got them way more frequently in the past; now I can go years between a breakout. Not sure why? But, I'm assuming mine are genetic - my mom has never had one and neither has my brother, just my dad and me.


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[ever hopeful]

If it's any help I get regular cold sores now on my lips (caught the virus from DH as never had them before we met!) mainly when I'm run down or lips get sunburnt or seriously dry. I actaully ended up kissing my dd on the head (without even thinking about it) when I had a small one, not long after she was born - around 5-6 weeks, and it turned into a small cold sore on her head. I took her to the Dr because I wasn't sure what it was at first and he said cold sore and simply gave me some cream, told me not to worry and and it cleared up. She was absolutely fine and hasn't had any since and is now 2. The two viruses are very different so try not to worry. x

[Bluebooties]

They're usually in the same part on my upper lip. It's gotten to the point now where I only get them though if my lips get sunburned or I get sick with a fever. I got them way more frequently in the past; now I can go years between a breakout. Not sure why? But, I'm assuming mine are genetic - my mom has never had one and neither has my brother, just my dad and me.


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They r not genetic but acquired through touch of an active lesion either dirty hands or kissing.

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[Bluebooties]

Are you sure you have herpes? Are the sores inside or outside your mouth? True cold sores, inside the mouth, are not herpes. They're due to a weakened immune system.
Like maiden said. Herpes sores are on the outer side mostly on upper lip and occur only at one place recurrently based on the nerve distribution.
The painful ulcers inside the mouth are called apthous ulcers.
Both kinds develop due to weak immune system or stress.

The HSV 1 that causes cold sores or herpes labalis can cause genital lesions as well. So no oral sex with a person with active cold sores 😉

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[maidentomother]

It does sound like you have true oral herpes. It is not genetic. You probably got it from your dad kissing you. My brother got it from my mom kissing him. Neither my dad nor I have ever had it, so I do think there may be a genetic immune system predisposition to it.

[TaytumJ]

Thanks ladies! I guess I always assumed it was hereditary. Drat. It's one of those things you don't think of since it seems common? I mentioned it to my doctor at our very first appointment at 7 weeks and she was just like, "Oh it's common no worries." So...I guess I'll just stop worrying about it!


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[Atsaukina1]

Herpies 1- mouth. Herpies 2- genital
But you can get both either place just not as likely.

You can get a blood test if you wanted to know which you had.
I. Have read the if you get first outbreak while prego that is the worse. And having actual outbreak( sores) when babe is birthed.
If you have oral herpes do not kiss babe or share utensils later in life. Another good reason not to let others kiss babe since 1 and 3 people have it.
There have been babies that have died from gettibg circumsized the Jewish way where rabbi sucks blood from penis:( whether you have a sore or not can still be passed. There is really a lot the don't know.

[Atsaukina1]

Or you have it and never had an outbreak:) I would love for my dh to get tested to see if I really never passed it to him or his immune system is so strong it suppresses it.

[Atsaukina1]

1 and 3 very very common. Especially since parents and relatives pass to kids. I got from my first kiss:(

[Atsaukina1]

Never heard of the one place? I have had on top, bottom, corner, anywhere on the darn mouth. Of course inside are just canker sores. Cold sore is just a nice way of saying herpies lol

[Atsaukina1]

I always get one outbreak while prego. Sounds like you have had for years like me which is good because it means you get them less frequently and have the antibodies built up. Don't worry.

[maidentomother]

Atsaukina, my dad and I were tested and we seem never to have caught it, FWIW. I know a ton of couples who have been together for years and only one party has it. Some tested and confirmed, some not.

I had a friend in college who lost her virginity and contracted genital herpes 2. He was a douche, too.

[TaytumJ]

I'll ask again Monday and see if they recommend a test. It does seem like the longer you've had it, the more antibodies you have so I hope that means the one outbreak I had in first tri means I'm good to go for a while!

That would be the worst, Maiden!! [emoji53] DH though has never had an outbreak on his face ever (or genitals) and we've been together 10 years. He's never been tested either.

I hate having it though. So embarrassing, even though I know HSV1 is common. [emoji17]


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[Atsaukina1]

Maidenmother- that's great news. Hope I haven't passed to him or my kids. A trick for anyone who has them- ice when you feel the first tingle of one coming on can stop it in its tracks.

[maidentomother]

I can imagine Taytum, I have rosacea and I'm very self conscious about it, and it's not stigmatised. I wish there wasn't so much herpes stigma as I know my brother is very upset he has it.

Atsaukina, I love your avatar! It makes me so happy every time I see it. I've never heard of that ice trick, good to know! The antivirals especially in pill form seem to help a lot, from what I've seen.

[TaytumJ]

When I feel a tingle I'll try to immediately take my medication, and then, as weird as it sounds, I'll use fingernail polish remover on the site. It dries it out instantly! Then I'll alternate with extra L-Lysine supplements and cream, as that has worked well for me.

Hopefully these last 4-6 weeks are uneventful and I won't have to worry at all about it!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Herpes is a contagious virus and not a genetic disorder. I think there is some confusion about what is going on here.

If a mom contracts herpes of ANY sort DURING pregnancy for the first time, typically the last trimester of preganncy but more likely right around birth, it can be a problem because there are no antibodies that mom has passed to baby. It is not terribly common but it does sadly happen on rare occasions that a mom will give her newborn the disease and since baby has no antibodies it is very very dangerous, usually fatal (even just the cold sore kind, unfortunately). The first time a child contracts the cold sore type of herpes full blown they do get quite ill and it's too much for a newborn without any antibodies.

[atomic sagebrush]

Since you've had them since childhood you will have the antibodies that will protect your newborn from the disease. :agree:

I found the greatest remedy for them it's called "Blistex Deep Renewal" that stuff works. I am plagued by them and always have been, and it has completely cured me over the last year since I found it. :agree: highly recommend.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks bluebooties! That was kind of what I gathered - I had one cold sore outbreak back at like 5/6 weeks, but since then nothing. I have an appt Monday so I'll ask my doctor about it then just to ease my mind.

And I'm just going to ask co-worker what happened tomorrow. He'll probably tell me it was an unfortunate thing and nothing to worry about!


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If you have cold sores you will pass on antibodies to your baby at birth that last about 6 months. By the time they wear off the baby will be old enough to handle the herpz on their own. I never knew about this until after my 3rd was born and I did plenty o kissing on newborns when I had cold sores - it's only people who have NEVER had it before, get it for the first time, and so their baby has no maternal antibodies that this can happen.

[atomic sagebrush]

They're usually in the same part on my upper lip. It's gotten to the point now where I only get them though if my lips get sunburned or I get sick with a fever. I got them way more frequently in the past; now I can go years between a breakout. Not sure why? But, I'm assuming mine are genetic - my mom has never had one and neither has my brother, just my dad and me.


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They're not genetic, they're just a very common virus. Some of us get them a lot, others not as much. It's very likely that your mom and brother DO have the virus but it doesn't act up as much.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks ladies! I guess I always assumed it was hereditary. Drat. It's one of those things you don't think of since it seems common? I mentioned it to my doctor at our very first appointment at 7 weeks and she was just like, "Oh it's common no worries." So...I guess I'll just stop worrying about it!


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Something like 90% of Americans have the virus laying dormant. It's just that some of us are unlucky and get flareups a lot.

[TaytumJ]

Thanks atomic for all of the info! I'm glad I've already had it - even though it sucks haha.

So perhaps she didn't have herpes, but some sort of chromosomal issue? Or maybe she did. I'll have to ask when my co-worker gets back from paternity leave as she's having a c-section Monday morning for this little girl.

Do you use Blistex Deep Renewal even when you're not having a breakout? Or just during them? I'll have to keep that in mind! Thankfully I feel like any more I only get them if sunburned or fever hits me, and the sunburn is easy to fix if I just wear SPF Chapstick all summer. And then if I have a fever I just take my Valtrex through it to help.

Glad baby will have antibodies...I'm sure I'll be really sad if I can't kiss baby for a while. On one forum someone said their doc gave them Valtrex the last few weeks so that they didn't have a breakout and could kiss baby. Would you recommend this route?


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[Atsaukina1]

I don't use any meds or special creams after having since childhood using blistec or l-lysine it still lasted a week or two if one came on. Now I only get 1 a year usually if not at all and like I said if u feel that very first tingle, tightening of skin and hold ice to it about 10 min. It won't even form. Of course if I had them often might look into meds but think I'd work on my immune system first

Maiden- thanks. A big problem here in the US unfortunately:( Most moms just have no idea and do whatever family/ docs suggest. Def. Research circumcision since it is a life long decision that affects your not and not the mom or dad. I personally would not give my son any cosmetic surgery that could risk his life with zero benefits.

[maidentomother]

Oh I know, I lived most of my life in the US and am a big intactivist. I'm also Jewish, so I have that fun angle too. Part of me would love to have a ton of boys just to increase the number of intact Jews and promote awareness further within the community. You probably know this, but circ on both genders is actually illegal in some European countries. I hope the rest of the world catches on soon. My donor had to have penis surgery at age 18 due to a very tight circ. My first BF also had issues from being circed twice (Jewish dad didn't think first one was thorough enough, ugh). I am also an amputee due to a childhood accident so I identify strongly.

[TaytumJ]

Atsaukina- do you just use the plain ice **** on your lip? I'll have to remember that! I don't use anything between BOs besides Burts Bees regular Chapstick. I'll only take meds and extra when I first feel the tingle.


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[Atsaukina1]

I don't agree w that. I don't kiss anyone w a sore especially a baby.- atomic

[Atsaukina1]

I use Burt's bees Chapstick too. Yes, I do a couple ice ****s in a wet washcloth. Hold on spot for about 10 min. When it's good and numb.

[Atsaukina1]

Oh I know, I lived most of my life in the US and am a big intactivist. I'm also Jewish, so I have that fun angle too. Part of me would love to have a ton of boys just to increase the number of intact Jews and promote awareness further within the community. You probably know this, but circ on both genders is actually illegal in some European countries. I hope the rest of the world catches on soon. My donor had to have penis surgery at age 18 due to a very tight circ. My first BF also had issues from being circed twice (Jewish dad didn't think first one was thorough enough, ugh). I am also an amputee due to a childhood accident so I identify strongly.
Yes, very interesting from the religious view point but many Christian and Jewish religious findings against it if people look. Sad that most people think it absolutely barbaric for our girls but don't bat an eye for our boys:( JIC anyone on here is going to do a traditional Jewish circum please for the love of God have rabbi herpies tested:(

[atomic sagebrush]

Who even knows, but I think you're getting a goofy story (I keep having flashes of Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop telling people he had Herpes Simplex 10 LOL)

I try to use it every day at least once. I sometimes forget and use one of my other lip balms without remembering to use the Deep Renewal at least once a day, and then I end up getting the start of one, but can nip it in the bud if I feel it coming on. I just had a UTI and mastitis (good timez) and I would never have not had a cold sore after that before. But I felt the tingle and started slathering it on and it went away. It's a really good balm anyway and not expensive, so it's not any kind of trade off.

Any doctor giving a woman Valtrex during pregnancy to prevent cold sores is a quack. NO NO NO I would not recommend that. Your baby will already have antibodies!

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't agree w that. I don't kiss anyone w a sore especially a baby.- atomic

I don't care and that is your choice. If my baby came out of my body it has my antibodies. Otherwise the entire human race would have died out a long time ago.

I can assure you I kissed and kissed my kids repeatedly and none of them ever got the virus that causes cold sores until they were over two despite me getting cold sores allllll the time.

No one needs to do what they don't want to do, I am reporting upon the reality of the situation which is that the human body knows what it is doing for the most part. This is only an issue for women who have only recently contracted the virus.

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't use any meds or special creams after having since childhood using blistec or l-lysine it still lasted a week or two if one came on. Now I only get 1 a year usually if not at all and like I said if u feel that very first tingle, tightening of skin and hold ice to it about 10 min. It won't even form. Of course if I had them often might look into meds but think I'd work on my immune system first

Maiden- thanks. A big problem here in the US unfortunately:( Most moms just have no idea and do whatever family/ docs suggest. Def. Research circumcision since it is a life long decision that affects your not and not the mom or dad. I personally would not give my son any cosmetic surgery that could risk his life with zero benefits.

It is not the normal kind of Blistex. It is ONLY the Blistex Deep Renewal. Personally I find the ice treatment makes it about a thousand times worse because it can also damage the skin and I do not recommend doing that. Glad it works for you, doesn't for me at all.

[TaytumJ]

Lol - I agree - I think I'm getting a weird story!! Or maybe she did contract genital herpes for the first time during pregnancy or something and was too embarrassed to tell. I'll have to find out more, but I don't think the story I got was correct.

No on the Valtrex - good to know!! I just saw a lot of people on forums being prescribed that, but maybe they were talking HSV2 instead. I'm going to go with the instinct that even though hormones have been crazy in my body for the last 9 months I just had one sore early on, which was probably due to obsessive stress and testing haha.

I've steered clear of ice thus far because water seems to make mine worse. For me, if I can apply rubbing alcohol, nail polish remover (ouch!!) and then the l-lysine I fair well because mine always need to be dried out. But I love all of the tips - always looking for something new to try for these damn things!


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[Bluebooties]

Who even knows, but I think you're getting a goofy story (I keep having flashes of Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop telling people he had Herpes Simplex 10 LOL)

I try to use it every day at least once. I sometimes forget and use one of my other lip balms without remembering to use the Deep Renewal at least once a day, and then I end up getting the start of one, but can nip it in the bud if I feel it coming on. I just had a UTI and mastitis (good timez) and I would never have not had a cold sore after that before. But I felt the tingle and started slathering it on and it went away. It's a really good balm anyway and not expensive, so it's not any kind of trade off.

Any doctor giving a woman Valtrex during pregnancy to prevent cold sores is a quack. NO NO NO I would not recommend that. Your baby will already have antibodies!
valtrex is prescribed starting 36 weeks but for women with history of or active genital herpes to decrease asymptomatic viral shedding from the birth canal for ladies undergoing vaginal birth instead of c section

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[Bluebooties]

Its like making double sure (1. Maternal antibodies 2. Decreasing exposure to virus in birth canal secretion) baby is safe from acquiring the virus which can become fatal

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[Atsaukina1]

I don't care and that is your choice. If my baby came out of my body it has my antibodies. Otherwise the entire human race would have died out a long time ago.

I can assure you I kissed and kissed my kids repeatedly and none of them ever got the virus that causes cold sores until they were over two despite me getting cold sores allllll the time.

No one needs to do what they don't want to do, I am reporting upon the reality of the situation which is that the human body knows what it is doing for the most part. This is only an issue for women who have only recently contracted the virus.

So they got it after two? My goal is for them to never get it at least from me. I just try to be on the safe side even though there is a chance to pass even if you don't have open sore there is a very high chance to pass when you do. I still love all over babes just not with kisses:)

[Atsaukina1]

Ice- doesn't work when you have a bump or sore. For me I can feel like coming days before like an itch or tightening on my lip, before there is even a bump. That is the only time ice works. It doesn't hurt skin because it is not directly on skin, it is wrapped in washcloth. But if you don't catch in that early phase that many people ignore them yeah it's no help lol.

[TaytumJ]

Thanks for clarifying Atsaukina! Yeah...I feel like I can't ever miss the early signs! Maybe I'll try it before any bumps start next time just to see if it works for me. I've been really lucky the older I get the less I seem to have. Phew!


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[atomic sagebrush]

valtrex is prescribed starting 36 weeks but for women with history of or active genital herpes to decrease asymptomatic viral shedding from the birth canal for ladies undergoing vaginal birth instead of c section

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OMG what is with this thread?? I am seriously going to stop answering it. For reals. Taytum if you have any more questions please PM me.

I am talking about going onto valtrex for COLD SORES in a person who has had them for years. It's not medically indicated and is overtreatment. Genital herpes, yes, that is medically indicated even though it's also actually very unlikely because of maternal antibodies, it's a backup just in case. :agree:

It is medical fact that in a woman who has had oral herpes causing cold sores since childhood that they will hand down antibodies to their baby that will keep them from getting fatally ill from it. This virus is 60,000 years old or more and infects as many as 90% of all adult Americans and 65% of us have it by the time we hit puberty. If cold sores were killing off babies then the entire human race would have died out a long time ago because for a lot of us we get a cold sore when we give birth and are run down (I've had one 4 of 5 times after I had a baby). The ONLY times where a baby has died from this is when the mother did not contract it prior to the pregnancy so the baby had no natural immunity, and in a handful of very weird cases where a rabbi gave it to a baby, again, one whose mother had NOT HAD the virus and thus had no immunity, through circumcision rituals.

I know people love to terrify the living heck out of new moms for some reason that escapes me but to tell anyone not to kiss their newborn child just in case, I'm sorry that is wackadoo to me. I also know that doctors love to overtreat everyone for things that are not issues (like giving valtrex to women for cold sores) for a combination of money and fear of lawsuits, but that doesn't make it right. Obviously you all need to do what makes you feel safe and happy but I'm not going to contribute to this environment of asinine paranoia that is plaguing our country making us see boogeymen in every cold sore and driving we mothers to the brink of insanity worrying about things that have about as much chance of happening as a lightning bolt coming from the sky.

[atomic sagebrush]

So they got it after two? My goal is for them to never get it at least from me. I just try to be on the safe side even though there is a chance to pass even if you don't have open sore there is a very high chance to pass when you do. I still love all over babes just not with kisses:)

It is NOT a very high chance to give it to a newborn with maternal immunity. It is next to zero chance if you have had it since you were a kid. All sources agree that it's unheard of. It is only contracted once the natural immunity wears off.

Yes, my children all have over the course of their childhoods, contracted herpes virus. Whether from me, their dad, grandparents or siblings, they have gotten it one way or the other. Usually between the ages of 2-6 they had the primary infection ONCE THEIR NATURAL IMMUNITY WORE OFF. And you know what, that doesn't make me an unsafe or dirty or bad mom.

If your kids haven't gotten it (which I doubt because it's super contagious and you can have the infection and never get cold sores) your daughters will grow up and have no immunity to it to pass down to their babies. Or, worse still, they'll get it from oral sex done from someone who does have it (and this is a real problem that is happening right now because oral sex has become so prevalent among teenagers) because if you've never had it, then it's much easier to get the oral herpes below the equator. I'm not saying it's good or bad for them to have it, just that they won't have any immunity to it as teens and adults. Personally I am glad my kids have it. Some research even indicates it may be beneficial to the immune system.

I am seriously not trying to be a bitch, I am AS ALWAYS trying to give factual information to put people's minds at ease. People want to argue with me about the facts, I can't control that. I am not going to read this thread any more and I wish you all the best.

[Atsaukina1]

Wow- I hope I was not trying to put fear into any ladies. I was not talking about killing your child, didn't mention any crazy drugs, but no I do not kiss anyone w an open sore and try to minimize spreading to others by not sharing cups/ food especially if I have a sore. If my kids have it or my dh their immune system is in tip top shape and they have not had an outbreak. All you can do is try to prevent spreading to others which we should all be responsible about.

[TaytumJ]

I think the stress of no sleep and a newborn caught up with me and I have a small one now. [emoji17] Bummed.

But, I did come back to this for some reassurance. I haven't kissed him today since I first felt it and have been washing my hands and using Avant like crazy. It does make me feel better to know he probably has the antibodies, but I'll for sure keep an eye on him the next few weeks. Just seems like one more thing to worry about!


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[adnilleinad]

Both my parets have the virus. And yes many many have them. Some get sores often, some very rarely. I was very lucky my mom is a nurse and educated in the area. She and my dad never kissed us when having the open sores on the mouth, sucked the dummie to clean it or share utentils with us at that time. And none of us ever got it luckily. Same for my husband.
I'm not scared at all for my children to be "non-protected", and would never try and infect them for that reason. Herpes on the mouth is annoying but not dangerous, except for a baby possibly, but I have never heard of these cases. I would never let anyone with a sore kiss my baby though. For me that is common sence.
Reading this thread, I do realise we might have different views on the subject. I would like to add that as far as I know, nobody is a dr so I would be caucious to say that I give the "facts".

[TaytumJ]

I think for the most part I'm just glad to hear stories from others who either have it themselves or parents who have them and lived to tell about it. When I look for any advice elsewhere, I feel like I only find that I'm going to kill my baby if I kiss him. [emoji53] Obviously I'm being very careful right now about not kissing him and not touching it, using q-tips instead, and washing my hands frequently. It just really, really sucks - #1 because it sucks having cold sores and it hurts and #2 I'm so paranoid about being careful around him and worrying.


Successful blue sway in May of 2016! Thanks so much Gender Dreaming! [emoji170]

[atomic sagebrush]

Taytum, you are doing everything just right. :) Keep up the good work and do try that Blistex Deep Renewal, it's worked wonders for me (not because you're going to kill your baby if you don't, because cold sores do suck when you have one.)

[TaytumJ]

I'm going to get the Blistex for sure atomic! I was spoiled by rarely having them any more, but I'm sure stress and fatigue caught up with me. I think I caught it early (weird no tingling or itchy this time, just swollen). So hoping it clears up in a week. I need to get back to life!


Successful blue sway in May of 2016! Thanks so much Gender Dreaming! [emoji170]

[TaytumJ]

I just wanted to update this while I was thinking of it!

I had a long conversation with him about the loss of his daughter one day and he said it was from Cytomegalovirus (CMV). She developed it in the womb and only lived a few short hours after being born.

I just wanted to clarify in case anyone else stumbled upon this thread! [emoji4]

[atomic sagebrush]

I just wanted to update this while I was thinking of it!

I had a long conversation with him about the loss of his daughter one day and he said it was from Cytomegalovirus (CMV). She developed it in the womb and only lived a few short hours after being born.

I just wanted to clarify in case anyone else stumbled upon this thread! [emoji4]

Thank you so very much for updating us on this. What a sad story. :(

[atomic sagebrush]

Both my parets have the virus. And yes many many have them. Some get sores often, some very rarely. I was very lucky my mom is a nurse and educated in the area. She and my dad never kissed us when having the open sores on the mouth, sucked the dummie to clean it or share utentils with us at that time. And none of us ever got it luckily. Same for my husband.
I'm not scared at all for my children to be "non-protected", and would never try and infect them for that reason. Herpes on the mouth is annoying but not dangerous, except for a baby possibly, but I have never heard of these cases. I would never let anyone with a sore kiss my baby though. For me that is common sence.
Reading this thread, I do realise we might have different views on the subject. I would like to add that as far as I know, nobody is a dr so I would be caucious to say that I give the "facts".

Two years of perspective later and I still find this post so unbelievably annoying that I am going to reply to it even though I shouldn't and it's totally unprofessional for me to do so.

Some of us were actually giving the facts and some of us were scaremongering.

Yep, I'm not a doctor. Never claimed to be one. But I do a lot to help people and I believe at times, more than most doctors do (and many people have told me that I helped them more than their doctors did so that is not just me being an arrogant ass). Doctors know what they know - they can fix my broken arm anytime - and then there are things they really just don't know that much about. Each individual doctor has their own set of strengths and weaknesses because it is literally impossible for doctors to know everything about all infectious diseases and every organ in the body. That is why they have specialists, is because it's impossible for one person to know everything about how the human body works.

On some things, I just happen to have done a good amount of research. I don't know everything, not even close, but there are a handful of things I do know about and I just want to give people accurate information instead of scaring people silly over things that are not worth being scared about. I like to share what I have learned with people since 99% of folks online have some bizarre love of terrifying people.

This just so happened to be one of those things I had looked into extensively, just like I had with gender swaying, and knew quite a lot about it, because one of my sons had a herpetic whitlow and the doctor I went to knew literally nothing about it and so I had to figure it out myself. I like researching stuff, it's fun to me, so when I encounter a health concern, my first reaction is to research it thoroughly. I have sat in doctor's offices while they literally went on the internet to look things up in front of me so that is actually how THEY are getting their info too whether they are "educated" or not.

My info comes from the CDC, the WHO, scientific studies, and several actual medical textbooks I have. I put that up against "my mother was a nurse 25 years ago before anyone understood how this worked and this is what she did" any day of the week. And BTW it is entirely possible that children can have had herpes virus and not get cold sores (and in fact this is the case for most people, they had the virus as kids but then never get cold sores) so just because you think you didn't contract it from your parents, isn't necessarily true.

Ladies, there will ALWAYS be something out there that people online will try to scare you about. There are things to be scared of and things that are just people trying to make you worry over nothing since that is apparently what some enjoy doing online. I am not one of those people, I prefer to reassure when I can and if ever there is cause for alarm, I PROMISE I will be the first person telling you to be alarmed. (things to be alarmed about - Zika virus. do not be alarmed about cold sores) Don't panic, just apply common sense, take sensible precautions, but don't make yourself miserable and terrified over things that are not worth being miserable and terrified about. Being miserable and terrified is ALSO not good for an unborn baby.

I'm always happy to answer anyone's questions about anything, whether it's gender swaying or parenting or some other thing and if I don't know the answer I will find out for you.