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Pinkbutterfly16
July 24th, 2016, 04:49 AM
How much would I be risking it do have another attempt 3 days from the last?
I know that e3d is often used as a pink tactic for people that have been TTC a while etc so it's not bad.
But is there a massive difference to e4d statistic wise?
Tonight would be 3 days since last attempt and it would be easier to do it today rather than tomorrow. But should I wait and try tomorrow instead to give us a better likelihood for our girl?
Sorry for the rambling x


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Girlieplease
July 24th, 2016, 07:09 AM
I hope some knowledgeable ladies will offer advice. An other alternative ( I think) is every four days and one attempt at positive OPK? Would that be an option. I think with e3d's, you could end up with 2 attempts in your fertile window, blue sway. I think e3d is more likely statistically to result in a boy than e4d's, but e3d's is going to increase your chances of getting pregnant. Since you always have a shot at pink, I suppose it is trying to decide is it more important to get pregnant quickly or to have a better, statistically speaking, chance to have a girl?
Only only two months in, currently in process of attempt three and am getting frustrated with not getting pregnant and it is hard to continue the diet and exercise. So in some point in the not too distant future I think I will opt for more attempts as I will just want to be pregnant, am not at this point yet! Your sway your way as atomic would say. Good luck!

Pinkbutterfly16
July 24th, 2016, 07:24 AM
I hope some knowledgeable ladies will offer advice. An other alternative ( I think) is every four days and one attempt at positive OPK? Would that be an option. I think with e3d's, you could end up with 2 attempts in your fertile window, blue sway. I think e3d is more likely statistically to result in a boy than e4d's, but e3d's is going to increase your chances of getting pregnant. Since you always have a shot at pink, I suppose it is trying to decide is it more important to get pregnant quickly or to have a better, statistically speaking, chance to have a girl?
Only only two months in, currently in process of attempt three and am getting frustrated with not getting pregnant and it is hard to continue the diet and exercise. So in some point in the not too distant future I think I will opt for more attempts as I will just want to be pregnant, am not at this point yet! Your sway your way as atomic would say. Good luck!

Thanks Girlieplease :) I'm yet to get a positive opk this month (although I have a suspicion it will be positive when I test this evening) so would that actually work out ok if we did it today do you think, even though e3d?


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Girlieplease
July 24th, 2016, 08:00 AM
Omg the pressure, hopefully some other more experienced ladies will comment, but I have read atomic suggest e4d's with an extra attempt at positive OPK. So since positive OPK could occur at any point then theorically what your suggesting should fit with that approach, good luck and hopefully some others will comment andoffer

Girlieplease
July 24th, 2016, 08:00 AM
Offer their advice!

XXforhubby
July 24th, 2016, 08:16 AM
Positive opk and every 4 days are the pinkest = 1 attempt in your fertile window, which is getting about 75% pink on the site.

Every 3 days is less pink = 2 attempts in your fertile window, which is getting about 65% pink on the site.

Personally, if you are doing the cardio for 60min 5-7 days a week and are sticking to the limits very well on any form of the LE diet, I would do every 3 days before doing every 4 days plus another attempt at positive opk. Every 3 days may work out to only having one viable attempt anyway. However, I would not go to BDing every 3 days unless you've been TTCing for 4-6mo or unless you need to get pregnant quickly for other reasons.




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Pinkbutterfly16
July 24th, 2016, 01:54 PM
Still no positive Opk tonight and I've normally got one by now. Something seems to be delaying my ovulation this month but not sure what yet.


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XXforhubby
July 24th, 2016, 02:43 PM
Are you using any supplements? Have you started/stopped exercise recently? How many calories, protein, fat are you getting?




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Girlieplease
July 24th, 2016, 03:30 PM
I had delayed ovulation in June, usually cd 14 and it was cd 21. I was convinced it was diet but my gp thought not. I added in 4 eggs per week, daily portion of diary and one portion of red meat per week and July's ovulation was usual timing, it may have been that way anyway but changes to the diet might have helped! X

Pinkbutterfly16
July 24th, 2016, 03:40 PM
The only supplement I'm taking is folic acid. This is the first month I've taken it religiously as I know it's so important! Don't suppose that could have effected it do you think? In the past I've not been able to take multivitamins as they have caused me stupidly long cycles and cycles went back to normal when I stopped taking them. Could folic acid alone be affecting me?
I honestly don't know figures for how much protein etc. All I'm doing is cutting back on a lot and having smaller portions and no snacking between meals or having breakfast.
Exercise wise, I'm not doing any xx


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Pinkbutterfly16
July 24th, 2016, 03:47 PM
My Ovia app reckons that my Thursday attempt had only a 3.5 out of 10 chance of conceiving. Considering I haven't even got a positive Opk yet would that put me in favour of being generally safe to dtd again tonight? X


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XXforhubby
July 24th, 2016, 04:04 PM
Folic acid would not cause delayed ovulation. I was asking because supplements like Vitex, Saw Palmetto, and peppermint tea all can wreck havoc on a cycle. Definitely keep taking the Folic Acid.

I'm wondering if you're getting enough nutrients. There is an app called My Fitness Pal that you can enter in the foods you eat to keep track of calories, protein and fat.

Don't count the calories protein and fat in veggies, just fruits. You want to aim for 1500-1800 calories a day, 40-50g of protein, and 30-50g fat. You may have cut back too far unknowingly, and you may need to eat a bit more.




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XXforhubby
July 24th, 2016, 04:05 PM
If you're wanting to do every 3 days, then have your attempt tonight. If you're doing every 4 days, then I would wait and have your attempt tomorrow night.




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Pinkbutterfly16
July 24th, 2016, 04:17 PM
Thanks ladies. I will wait and try tomorrow instead x


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atomic sagebrush
July 25th, 2016, 03:00 PM
We do not yet have the level of data we would need for me to be able to say that.

You have to look at it this way - adding attempts may be more blue friendly but will probably up odds of conception, while sticking with fewer attempts may be more pink friendly but cuts odds of conception (sometimes). Then weigh this in terms of how much in a hurry you are to get pregnant and how strongly you need to feel like you've swayed and make the decision for you personally, because this is not something I can know just yet on the basis of our data.

atomic sagebrush
July 25th, 2016, 03:02 PM
I had delayed ovulation in June, usually cd 14 and it was cd 21. I was convinced it was diet but my gp thought not. I added in 4 eggs per week, daily portion of diary and one portion of red meat per week and July's ovulation was usual timing, it may have been that way anyway but changes to the diet might have helped! X

Please also keep in the back of your mind, ladies, that one of the very biggest delayers of O is stress. You start looking for O and sometimes it goes missing (and this happens even without dieting as well)

atomic sagebrush
July 25th, 2016, 03:02 PM
My Ovia app reckons that my Thursday attempt had only a 3.5 out of 10 chance of conceiving. Considering I haven't even got a positive Opk yet would that put me in favour of being generally safe to dtd again tonight? X


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Apps are not terribly reliable.

atomic sagebrush
July 25th, 2016, 03:04 PM
The only supplement I'm taking is folic acid. This is the first month I've taken it religiously as I know it's so important! Don't suppose that could have effected it do you think? In the past I've not been able to take multivitamins as they have caused me stupidly long cycles and cycles went back to normal when I stopped taking them. Could folic acid alone be affecting me?
I honestly don't know figures for how much protein etc. All I'm doing is cutting back on a lot and having smaller portions and no snacking between meals or having breakfast.
Exercise wise, I'm not doing any xx


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If you don't track, a lot of times when people "just cut back" they overestimate the amount they're eating and are actually starving themselves!!! If you even just add up one average day that may give you some idea of what you're doing. If you really cannot track, then don't do LE, just go vegetarian.

Pinkbutterfly16
July 25th, 2016, 06:45 PM
Thanks atomic. We had an attempt late tonight so have stuck with the e4d but I'm still yet to get a positive Opk! :(


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atomic sagebrush
July 26th, 2016, 01:57 PM
keep going!

Pinkbutterfly16
July 26th, 2016, 05:27 PM
Another negative again. I've always always had a positive by now. Suppose there is always Friday's attempt yet.
Last month I had 4 days of strong positives in a row and now this month I'm having none!


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Pinkbutterfly16
July 27th, 2016, 10:14 AM
I've just got a solid smiley on Opk.
Shall I leave it at our attempt on Monday? It's Wednesday today so if I had another attempt it would make it boy timing I think? X


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Pinkbutterfly16
July 28th, 2016, 10:33 AM
Didn't dtd last night. We haven't dtd since Monday which was 2 days before positive. I'm probably out this month x


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Pink1980
July 28th, 2016, 11:01 AM
hi I'm in the same boat . Dtd on Sunday night now have my 3rd day of high on monitor
I'm on day 15 which is earlier than last month
Don't know what to do ?

Pinkbutterfly16
July 28th, 2016, 12:52 PM
Sorry to keep posting but I just got another smiley tonight. What shall I do [emoji20] if we did it tonight it would be e3d frequency but if we left it at Monday's attempt I think I'm definitely out?


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atomic sagebrush
July 28th, 2016, 01:40 PM
The smiley doesn't mean you haven't ovulated yet. You very well may already have. All the positive OPK's tell you is that there is hormone present in your urine (and I believe the monitors give ya 2 days of smileys regardless anyway) and NOT if you have ovulated or not.

I can't tell you what to do. That's just one of those things you guys have to decide for yourself. If you want better odds of conception, attempt. If you want better odds of pink, stick with prev attempt (but I agree that's pretty far out if you have not yet Oed.

atomic sagebrush
July 28th, 2016, 01:41 PM
hi I'm in the same boat . Dtd on Sunday night now have my 3rd day of high on monitor
I'm on day 15 which is earlier than last month
Don't know what to do ?

High is different than peak, though. High means you have not surged yet and if you're trying for a cutoff (I'm assuming) I'd def. have attempt today in case you go to peak tomorrow

atomic sagebrush
July 28th, 2016, 01:44 PM
I've just got a solid smiley on Opk.
Shall I leave it at our attempt on Monday? It's Wednesday today so if I had another attempt it would make it boy timing I think? X


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Please don't ever wait for a response from me!!

If you Oed on Wednesday a Mon attempt would very much have a shot at it. In that case I would not ever have you add another attempt (unless you are going for e4d plus one, that is) but Thursday begins to get quite far out and much lower odds of conception.

I can't tell you guys what to do though. I wish I could. I simply don't have that ability. All I can do is say best odds of pink, one attempt or e4d, better odds of conception is adding an attempt. That is all I know. I can't extrapolate that down to the individual.

When in doubt, flip a coin and do what the coin says.

Pinkbutterfly16
July 28th, 2016, 01:47 PM
The smiley doesn't mean you haven't ovulated yet. You very well may already have. All the positive OPK's tell you is that there is hormone present in your urine (and I believe the monitors give ya 2 days of smileys regardless anyway) and NOT if you have ovulated or not.

I can't tell you what to do. That's just one of those things you guys have to decide for yourself. If you want better odds of conception, attempt. If you want better odds of pink, stick with prev attempt (but I agree that's pretty far out if you have not yet Oed.

Thanks atomic. I'm going to be patient and not do it again until tomorrow to keep with e4d. I've completely dried up today and have strong cramps so perhaps I'm ovulating today. I know it's impossible to know without temping.
I just wasn't sure if repeated opks meant that I'm only still surging before egg released. It's good to know that I could be/have already ovulated even though positive.


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atomic sagebrush
July 28th, 2016, 02:10 PM
No, the opk are just detecting hormone. You can have a fast surge that your body clears real quick and so be gettting negative tests and still have not ovulated, or you can have a big surge that takes a long time to clear and so have ovulated and still be getting positive tests. :) OPK, they suck but they're all we have.

Pinkbutterfly16
July 28th, 2016, 02:22 PM
No, the opk are just detecting hormone. You can have a fast surge that your body clears real quick and so be gettting negative tests and still have not ovulated, or you can have a big surge that takes a long time to clear and so have ovulated and still be getting positive tests. :) OPK, they suck but they're all we have.

I will stick to the e4d routine this cycle and if not successful next month I'm going to try it at only positive Opk. Thanks again :)


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Pink1980
July 28th, 2016, 02:52 PM
I am going to leave this one out I think !
This happened me before and got me my boy
My cycles are getting shorter and I think next month will be better sway then
Thankyou

Pinkbutterfly16
July 28th, 2016, 03:37 PM
Please don't ever wait for a response from me!!

If you Oed on Wednesday a Mon attempt would very much have a shot at it. In that case I would not ever have you add another attempt (unless you are going for e4d plus one, that is) but Thursday begins to get quite far out and much lower odds of conception.

I can't tell you guys what to do though. I wish I could. I simply don't have that ability. All I can do is say best odds of pink, one attempt or e4d, better odds of conception is adding an attempt. That is all I know. I can't extrapolate that down to the individual.

When in doubt, flip a coin and do what the coin says.

Only just noticed this reply for some reason!
I would honestly have rather waited to see what you said first atomic, even if it meant I missed my chance this month!
As I'm having a second positive tonight (Thursday) I will be extremely shocked if I get pregnant this month from dtd Monday.
I daren't do it again tonight though, it's not worth the risk.
Next month I'm definitely going to wait for positive Opk as I missed out last month too by being 4 days out.


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Pinkbutterfly16
July 28th, 2016, 06:01 PM
So I've just noticed ewcm again... Is it possible to also have ewcm after ovulation aswel as before? Going to attempt tomorrow night so hopefully I may just catch the egg if I haven't ovulated yet x


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Pink1980
July 29th, 2016, 06:35 AM
I think I have delayed ovulation . Day 16 and fourth day of high
Is this leaning a boy sway now ?

Pinkbutterfly16
July 29th, 2016, 10:35 AM
Just had another attempt today (3.30pm Friday) last attempt 11.30pm Monday. I hope I've left enough of a gap?


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Pink1980
July 29th, 2016, 11:04 AM
What day of your cycle are you today ?

Pinkbutterfly16
July 29th, 2016, 11:26 AM
What day of your cycle are you today ?

I'm cycle day 23 of a 34 day cycle xx


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Pinkbutterfly16
July 29th, 2016, 11:46 AM
I suddenly feel very nervous that I've done the wrong thing and should have kept with Monday...


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atomic sagebrush
July 29th, 2016, 01:59 PM
You guys waiting to hear back from me puts too much pressure on me!! I can't always be on every day (esp in the free forums) and when I feel like you guys are postponing attempts for me, I feel too much pressure to be on here every day even when it is really hard for me to do that (some days the kids need me and stuff) So please don't hold off for me because even when I am online I don't always manage to get thru all posts.

When in doubt, attempt.

Second positive is irrelevant. You cannot tell when you Oed based on how soon your OPK go negative!! Again, and sorry to keep repeating myself but I don't think you're understanding this, you can have a short surge and still not have ovulated and O after your test is neg, and days of pos OPK and have Oed already with positive tests still.

atomic sagebrush
July 29th, 2016, 02:05 PM
I think I have delayed ovulation . Day 16 and fourth day of high
Is this leaning a boy sway now ?

No, it is not, and in fact I just read a definitive study that totally debunked the idea that the lenght of follicular phase sways at all. IT doesn't.

atomic sagebrush
July 29th, 2016, 02:06 PM
I suddenly feel very nervous that I've done the wrong thing and should have kept with Monday...


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You would not have gotten pregnant with that far out of an attempt. You did the right thing.

atomic sagebrush
July 29th, 2016, 02:07 PM
So I've just noticed ewcm again... Is it possible to also have ewcm after ovulation aswel as before? Going to attempt tomorrow night so hopefully I may just catch the egg if I haven't ovulated yet x


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Yes I did the month I got my girl. What you have to understand is that it is NOT ovulation that makes EWCM. It is estrogen. So if you take a little longer to clear the estrogen from your system (which happens sometimes, we know this from temp charts with slow rises) then you can still have EWCM for a couple days after O has occured.

atomic sagebrush
July 29th, 2016, 02:09 PM
I'm cycle day 23 of a 34 day cycle xx


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You cannot know how long your cycle will be though. If you are only just now Oing, you will then have a normal 12-14 day LP, most likely, tacked onto whenever you actually O. If O is delayed, then AF comes late too (unless you coinciedentally develop a short LP at the exact same time, which is not that likely)

Pinkbutterfly16
July 29th, 2016, 02:52 PM
You would not have gotten pregnant with that far out of an attempt. You did the right thing.

Oh, thanks atomic. Well that makes me feel better. So 4 days before ovulation was seriously unlikely?
I will relax... Don't want to now sway blue by obsessing!


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Pinkbutterfly16
July 29th, 2016, 03:40 PM
You guys waiting to hear back from me puts too much pressure on me!! I can't always be on every day (esp in the free forums) and when I feel like you guys are postponing attempts for me, I feel too much pressure to be on here every day even when it is really hard for me to do that (some days the kids need me and stuff) So please don't hold off for me because even when I am online I don't always manage to get thru all posts.

When in doubt, attempt.

Second positive is irrelevant. You cannot tell when you Oed based on how soon your OPK go negative!! Again, and sorry to keep repeating myself but I don't think you're understanding this, you can have a short surge and still not have ovulated and O after your test is neg, and days of pos OPK and have Oed already with positive tests still.

Oh no!! I really didn't want to be putting pressure on you [emoji20] I'm sorry. I would just sometimes rather wait for your opinion if it's something I'm really really uncertain about and genuinely dont mind when or if the chance passes me by if it means I get your opinion first, which I can apply to next time x


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atomic sagebrush
July 29th, 2016, 05:30 PM
Oh, thanks atomic. Well that makes me feel better. So 4 days before ovulation was seriously unlikely?
I will relax... Don't want to now sway blue by obsessing!


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It's seriously unlikely because your attempt would have been 5 or 6 days before O!! If you're just getting a pos OPK then you still have 1-2 days before O!

atomic sagebrush
July 29th, 2016, 05:31 PM
Oh no!! I really didn't want to be putting pressure on you [emoji20] I'm sorry. I would just sometimes rather wait for your opinion if it's something I'm really really uncertain about and genuinely dont mind when or if the chance passes me by if it means I get your opinion first, which I can apply to next time x


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Yeah but I just feel really bad when people wait to hear from me and then I can't come through for you guys!! When in doubt, attempt, and if you just can't decide then please flip a coin.

Pinkbutterfly16
July 30th, 2016, 03:00 AM
It's seriously unlikely because your attempt would have been 5 or 6 days before O!! If you're just getting a pos OPK then you still have 1-2 days before O!

Thinking about it, my first attempt was late on Monday night and my first positive Opk was Wednesday afternoon. I did have strong cramping on Thursday so perhaps that was the day, although I know cramping doesn't reliably pinpoint ovulation. Wouldn't that have only been 3 days before?
I'm going to shut up after this one as I'm sure I'm driving you crazy lol. Sorry atomic X


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atomic sagebrush
July 30th, 2016, 09:46 AM
These long, long threads are sometimes hard for me to keep everything straight and follow it all from page to page.

I was going off of your statement you had attempt 4 days before O but then there was also all this stuff about the positive OPK so I jumped to the apparently erroneous conclusion you were tacking that onto the 4 days there. I guess I could have gone back and reread the whole thread before answering but I feel like I've already been pretty thorough in this thread. It doesn't matter, it's still low odds of conception without adding in an attempt.

atomic sagebrush
July 30th, 2016, 09:47 AM
Oh, thanks atomic. Well that makes me feel better. So 4 days before ovulation was seriously unlikely?
I will relax... Don't want to now sway blue by obsessing!


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Yes, 4 or even 3 days before O is low odds of conception.