Femara for swaying girl

[Hopefullmummy]

Ladies who here is taking Femara for sway purposes only and what have you based this decision on? Femara is supposed to be much better for swaying than clomid so I'm curious as to why lots of ladies haven't switched to it. Maybe they have and I haven't looked in the right spot. Just looking for some Femara buddies :)

[atomic sagebrush]

It was a couple percentage points better for swaying in one study. It is much better than Clomid in lots of other ways though (like lining, EWCM, odds of twinning, etc) so my love affair with Femara is for those reasons, not necessarily because it's a hugely better sway.

Femara is not strictly approved for use as a fertility medication. It's a cancer drug meant to block estrogen in women who have certain types of cancers that grow in the presence of estrogen. It was also linked to issues with birth defects and miscarriage when taken DURING pregnancy (of course, we don't take it during pregnancy, we take it before, and it leaves the body very quickly anyway - even quicker than Clomid). So these things have skeeved many doctors off prescribing it, since they have to go "off label" and then there's a birth defect correlation (but remember, please no one panic, this was in women taking it as a cancer treatment during pregnancy and not for just 5 days before they even ovulated!!!)

All this results in many people not being able to get Femara because doctors won't prescribe it, and I think that is why most people end up doing Clomid instead. :)

I love Femara.

[Pretty]

I'm on my second month, in the tww but I'll update asap :)

[Hopefullmummy]

It was a couple percentage points better for swaying in one study. It is much better than Clomid in lots of other ways though (like lining, EWCM, odds of twinning, etc) so my love affair with Femara is for those reasons, not necessarily because it's a hugely better sway.

Femara is not strictly approved for use as a fertility medication. It's a cancer drug meant to block estrogen in women who have certain types of cancers that grow in the presence of estrogen. It was also linked to issues with birth defects and miscarriage when taken DURING pregnancy (of course, we don't take it during pregnancy, we take it before, and it leaves the body very quickly anyway - even quicker than Clomid). So these things have skeeved many doctors off prescribing it, since they have to go "off label" and then there's a birth defect correlation (but remember, please no one panic, this was in women taking it as a cancer treatment during pregnancy and not for just 5 days before they even ovulated!!!)

All this results in many people not being able to get Femara because doctors won't prescribe it, and I think that is why most people end up doing Clomid instead. :)

I love Femara.

Thanks atomic. You are a woman with a mountain of knowledge. I have decided to go with Femara for the reasons you stated above anyway. I was at the pharmacy today ( but forgot my prescription in the car ) anyway I asked if he had Femara in stock and he said they have no problem with that but clomid hasn't been in stock for months and it's impossible to get hold of it here in Australia. Glad I'm don't need to stress over that. And also glad my Ob gave me the option of Femara even though he had no idea about swaying obviously.

[Hopefullmummy]

I'm on my second month, in the tww but I'll update asap :)

Good luck pretty ! Let us know how you go :)
Are you taking it for just swaying also ?

[SweetLily]

I get a 4 day migraine on femara. I've only taken it one cycle and wanted to die. I spent all 4 days in bed (after day 1 lol). Still, I plan to take it next cycle. Want as much help as I can get!

[Mary Poppins]

I took Femara for 6 months (purely for swaying purpises) but didn't conceive until 2 cycles after I'd finished taking Femara. I have just had a baby girl. I was doing other stuff to sway girl too e.g LE, one attempt, exercise, alcohol. Not sure if Femara helped or hindered my sway but I just thought I'd post in case it's useful info to anyone. xxx

[Hopefullmummy]

Oh no. Migraines are disgusting ! I really hope I don't get them that would be horrible. Hope you don't too on your next cycle. You poor thing.

[Hopefullmummy]

Wow that's really interesting that you didn't fall pregant while taking it. Out of curiosity what made you chose Femara over clomid ?

Congrats on your baby by the way! You must be ecstatic :)

[Mary Poppins]

Aw yeah so happy, I still can't quite believe it! If there's anything I can do to help anyone else with their sway I'd be more than happy to do so :o)

I choose Femara as supposedly less chance of multiples, fewer side effects and possibly slightly pinker.

Good luck with your sway!

Xxx

[atomic sagebrush]

both Clomid and Femara seem to keep swaying pink for people a month or two after stopping taking it. That is the first reason I really started to suspect Clomid was swaying pink so strongly - literally everyone I knew who got pregnant back on IG who had taken Clomid and couldn't get pregnant on it, so had to drop it, had girls or G-B twins. No single boys and no BB twins. Once this built up to over a dozen people in a row I was like, there has to be something to this and then I did the research and found the studies that showed it to sway pink.

[Giselle2016]

both Clomid and Femara seem to keep swaying pink for people a month or two after stopping taking it. That is the first reason I really started to suspect Clomid was swaying pink so strongly - literally everyone I knew who got pregnant back on IG who had taken Clomid and couldn't get pregnant on it, so had to drop it, had girls or G-B twins. No single boys and no BB twins. Once this built up to over a dozen people in a row I was like, there has to be something to this and then I did the research and found the studies that showed it to sway pink.

I wish I knew this and would have tried clomid for this 3rd pregnancy. If pgd for gender selection doesn't work, u think taking clomid as opposed to swaying is worth a try? My next preg would be my absolute last pregnancy so I really hope the pgd works but I gotta have a plan b just in case.


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[Serenity]

Does anyone know a safe place to buy Femara online (without a prescription)? Not sure that I will do this, but I am seriously considering it.

I saw on another thread a link to an online pharmacy in the Netherlands where you can by Clomid, but they don't appear to sell Femara (unless I just can't find it).

I recently saw my doctor and told her we might start TTC in a couple of months, so unfortunately getting it by prescription is out for me.

Anyways, feel free to answer here or via private message if you know anything. Thanks in advance!

[ksmom]

I feel bad for saying this but I wish I'd gotten to use Femara. I was supposed to start it in May but I got pregnant the cycle before. I actually didn't know for sure the RE was going to prescribe it, it was just a hunch since I have irregular cycles. I was so excited when she said she wanted me to take it but then a week later I found out I was pregnant. :/ If there's one regret I have about my sway, it's that. Again I feel terrible for saying that because if I'd have skipped my April cycle and waited until May, this baby wouldn't exist.

[Giselle2016]

I feel bad for saying this but I wish I'd gotten to use Femara. I was supposed to start it in May but I got pregnant the cycle before. I actually didn't know for sure the RE was going to prescribe it, it was just a hunch since I have irregular cycles. I was so excited when she said she wanted me to take it but then a week later I found out I was pregnant. :/ If there's one regret I have about my sway, it's that. Again I feel terrible for saying that because if I'd have skipped my April cycle and waited until May, this baby wouldn't exist.

Is it because ferma sways a certain gender? I'm thinking of going HT next time but if it doesn't work maybe go clomid or ferma if my doc gives it. I'd love to have 2 girls! Feel blessed with my 2 boys and starting to feel grateful for my current pregnancy as well (my third boy) but I defiantly pray for a girl one day.


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[Giselle2016]

Ok just read the subject saying ferma to sway for girl, so that answered my question.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Is it because ferma sways a certain gender? I'm thinking of going HT next time but if it doesn't work maybe go clomid or ferma if my doc gives it. I'd love to have 2 girls! Feel blessed with my 2 boys and starting to feel grateful for my current pregnancy as well (my third boy) but I defiantly pray for a girl one day.


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It's more than just that it sways pink, it's also more forgiving to fertility overall than Clomid and with a lower chance of twins as well.

[atomic sagebrush]

I wish I knew this and would have tried clomid for this 3rd pregnancy. If pgd for gender selection doesn't work, u think taking clomid as opposed to swaying is worth a try? My next preg would be my absolute last pregnancy so I really hope the pgd works but I gotta have a plan b just in case.


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Taking Clomid IS swaying. Our results with Clomid are in Clomid WITH sway diets and other lifestyle factors. It's likely (according to studies) that without swaying in other ways, Clomid does still sway pink but it's much more modest in effect, more like 5% instead of 25%

[atomic sagebrush]

KS I totally understand. i had huge, major regrets getting pregnant on accident during my month off and getting DS 4. Now 6 years later of course I would not change anything at all, but I could have chewed iron and spit nails when that happened. not that I would wish him away at all, even when it happened, but I felt like I'd been robbed of my opportunity.

[GirlieCat]

I wasn't able to get Femara but I did get clomid (yeah!!). I was too afraid to flat out ask my doc for Femara and risk her not giving me either. (I have read on here to never flat out ask for these).

She Rx 50mg cd5-9 take at night. I am just wondering if the directions are different for swaying. Is 5-9 okay? I know some ladies do day 3-7.

I have longer cycles- last one was 35 days so I think day 5-9 sounds right. I am also on Metformin.

I am hoping beyond hope that the clomid will not only help me get prego but help me get my pink bean (I am also on LE diet, went vegetarian and 1600 folic).


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[GirlieCat]

Also Atomic what is your opinion on what was my actual cd1... I had dirty tinted discharge Wed afternoon around 4pm, then some spotting before bed. Started real flow overnight into Thursday. Should I count Wed as day 1 or Thursday? Thanks.


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[purple]

Count cd1 as Thursday. If flow starts after 12 noon then it is supposed to be counted the next day.

Cd3-7 is the most popular day. I conceived DS1 on cd 5-9 (super boy friendly lifestyle outweighed any clomid sway power for him). This time I did 4-8 and ovulated the same time (cd19) as with 5-9. I was going to change to 3-7 the next cycle but got a bfp (during my period so test before taking meds just in case!).

[GirlieCat]

Thanks Purple. I decided to do day 3-7 and I took my first pill last night before bed, after doubling checking BFN on prego test yesterday. I am a bit nervous about side effects but we will wait and see. I guess side effects would at least tell me it is doing its job.

I think in another post I read that you also took progesterone. I have a Rx for progesterone pills (prometrium 100mg) to take from O-AF. I have read that if the bean is good then your body will make enough progesterone to support the pregnancy so I am not sure if I should or should not take the progesterone now that I am on the clomid. (I am also continuing to take 1000 of Metformin).

Thanks.


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[purple]

I did a monitored cycle in May and they wanted me to use pregnyl shots to boost progesterone and it increased my LP from 12 days to 14 days. I decided I didn't want to use it the next cycle and they tested my progesterone and it was really good just with the clomid but because I had late implantation my hormones all dropped when I got AF so that is why I am now on progesterone pessaries. They really are annoying (and expensive) and I can't wait to get off them. The thing is, if I had used the pregnyl injections I would have had a longer LP and it probably would have given the bean enough time to implant before AF! I would still probably try without progesterone first and see what your levels are like without it.

[atomic sagebrush]

I wasn't able to get Femara but I did get clomid (yeah!!). I was too afraid to flat out ask my doc for Femara and risk her not giving me either. (I have read on here to never flat out ask for these).

She Rx 50mg cd5-9 take at night. I am just wondering if the directions are different for swaying. Is 5-9 okay? I know some ladies do day 3-7.

I have longer cycles- last one was 35 days so I think day 5-9 sounds right. I am also on Metformin.

I am hoping beyond hope that the clomid will not only help me get prego but help me get my pink bean (I am also on LE diet, went vegetarian and 1600 folic).


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:agree: never ask for fertility medicines!

NO, the directions are what your doc thinks will be best for you. 5-9 is fine. I feel like we have seen slightly better odds of conception with CD 3-7 but since you have long cycles the 5-9 does make a lot of sense for you.

Are you doing the alternate diet?? Long cycles, on metformin - you need to be on the alternate LE!! http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html

[atomic sagebrush]

I did a monitored cycle in May and they wanted me to use pregnyl shots to boost progesterone and it increased my LP from 12 days to 14 days. I decided I didn't want to use it the next cycle and they tested my progesterone and it was really good just with the clomid but because I had late implantation my hormones all dropped when I got AF so that is why I am now on progesterone pessaries. They really are annoying (and expensive) and I can't wait to get off them. The thing is, if I had used the pregnyl injections I would have had a longer LP and it probably would have given the bean enough time to implant before AF! I would still probably try without progesterone first and see what your levels are like without it.

You don't know that though, purple. Please don't blame yourself, the fact is that 12 days is more than enough time and progesterone supplements have never been shown in any study to help people get or stay pregnant and more and more doctors are giving up on them. The pregnancy almost certainly ended only because it wasn't developing properly and not anything you did or didn't do. :heart:

[atomic sagebrush]

Also Atomic what is your opinion on what was my actual cd1... I had dirty tinted discharge Wed afternoon around 4pm, then some spotting before bed. Started real flow overnight into Thursday. Should I count Wed as day 1 or Thursday? Thanks.


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Thursday, but the nice thing is that it really doesn't matter, since you can start the Clomid anywhere from CD 2-5, if you start it on CD 4 instead of 5 it is no big deal, makes no difference

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks Purple. I decided to do day 3-7 and I took my first pill last night before bed, after doubling checking BFN on prego test yesterday. I am a bit nervous about side effects but we will wait and see. I guess side effects would at least tell me it is doing its job.

I think in another post I read that you also took progesterone. I have a Rx for progesterone pills (prometrium 100mg) to take from O-AF. I have read that if the bean is good then your body will make enough progesterone to support the pregnancy so I am not sure if I should or should not take the progesterone now that I am on the clomid. (I am also continuing to take 1000 of Metformin).

Thanks.


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It is up to you if you use the progesterone. I've read the research and I can draw no other conclusion than that prog supps are nothing more than a placebo (they are not helping anyone get/stay pregnant even in IVF rounds!!!) They are also really expensive, annoying, and many people have bad reactions to them. But I can totally understand that some people just can't leave it lie without trying everything under the sun even if it may not do anything.

[purple]

You don't know that though, purple. Please don't blame yourself, the fact is that 12 days is more than enough time and progesterone supplements have never been shown in any study to help people get or stay pregnant and more and more doctors are giving up on them. The pregnancy almost certainly ended only because it wasn't developing properly and not anything you did or didn't do. :heart:

The pregnyl shots are actually hcg not progesterone and it makes the body think it is pregnant so it did increase my LP by 2 days so it may have helped stop AF coming but I'm not blaming myself for not taking it. My other pregnancies were fine with 12 days so I had no reason to think this would happen.

But the pregnancy hasn't ended yet... I'm still hanging in there. Weaning off the progesterone supps now and my prog and e2 levels were looking good the other day. Will know more next week when I have a scan.

[atomic sagebrush]

Excellent!! Keep us posted!! :pray: :pray: :pray:

[maggie84]

I am also taking Femara, starting my 3rd cycle now. My doctor prescribed it to me because I was not Oing on my own, and it was gentler to the uterus lining which was a bit on the thin side. I knew nothing then about swaying but I am so happy it sways girls because that's what I am hoping for! :)

[jennlee25]

It was a couple percentage points better for swaying in one study. It is much better than Clomid in lots of other ways though (like lining, EWCM, odds of twinning, etc) so my love affair with Femara is for those reasons, not necessarily because it's a hugely better sway.

Femara is not strictly approved for use as a fertility medication. It's a cancer drug meant to block estrogen in women who have certain types of cancers that grow in the presence of estrogen. It was also linked to issues with birth defects and miscarriage when taken DURING pregnancy (of course, we don't take it during pregnancy, we take it before, and it leaves the body very quickly anyway - even quicker than Clomid). So these things have skeeved many doctors off prescribing it, since they have to go "off label" and then there's a birth defect correlation (but remember, please no one panic, this was in women taking it as a cancer treatment during pregnancy and not for just 5 days before they even ovulated!!!)

All this results in many people not being able to get Femara because doctors won't prescribe it, and I think that is why most people end up doing Clomid instead. :)

I love Femara.

Hi my Dr wants me to start Femara this month so I ovulate.
Day 3-7 I take pills.
Day 13 she wants me to get ultrasound to determine eggs and call me if 2 and dont so the deed to avoid twins.

Only thing is I wanted sway for a girl and use settles method.
Do deed day 10-12. 2 days before ovulation.
Any suggestions should I ask if I get get scan day 10.
Or just do the deed day 10 anyway and risk if twins accured.
Thank you

[jennlee25]

Aw yeah so happy, I still can't quite believe it! If there's anything I can do to help anyone else with their sway I'd be more than happy to do so :o)

I choose Femara as supposedly less chance of multiples, fewer side effects and possibly slightly pinker.

Good luck with your sway!

Xxx
Hi I would love to know how it sways more pink.
Dr told me to start doing deed day 13 onwards but to me I thought closer to ovulation you more likely for a boy.
Would love any info on how I can sway a girl on Femara. Thank you

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi my Dr wants me to start Femara this month so I ovulate.
Day 3-7 I take pills.
Day 13 she wants me to get ultrasound to determine eggs and call me if 2 and dont so the deed to avoid twins.

Only thing is I wanted sway for a girl and use settles method.
Do deed day 10-12. 2 days before ovulation.
Any suggestions should I ask if I get get scan day 10.
Or just do the deed day 10 anyway and risk if twins accured.
Thank you

You can't do Shettles with Femara (at least, not the way you're thinking of it) because you don't know when you're going to ovulate. People will O on average 5-10 days after their last pill and so you can't just aim at a particular day and hope it will work out.

RE the twin thing - we have quite a lot of people who have 2 eggs and then only end up with one baby. In fact most docs will have people go ahead with 2 eggs, just not 3 or 4 or more. So you may really cut your chances by skipping months on Femara since you can only take it for 6 months max. But of course that's your and your doctor's choice to make, just so you're aware of the risk that you may not ever make less than 2 eggs on the Femara!

Timing doesn't sway. It really doesn't work and not only has it been totally debunked by science but it's also given many of us opposites. And by DTD 3 days in a row, that has been very ineffective for pink and in fact what we have BLUE swayers do. For reasons we do not understand, having just one attempt has been best results for pink.

What I would have you do instead is do OPK strips and have one attempt at the first positive OPK. This is still a cutoff, but will be better odds of conception than just randomly picking a day and having an attempt that day!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi I would love to know how it sways more pink.
Dr told me to start doing deed day 13 onwards but to me I thought closer to ovulation you more likely for a boy.
Would love any info on how I can sway a girl on Femara. Thank you

We don't know how it works but Femara has been shown in studies and our experience to sway pink.

DTD at O does NOT make boys. Totally debunked and most of the people on this site have timing opposites. I got my girl late at night the night before O day and 3 boys with cutoffs. Here is the case against timing. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi I would love to know how it sways more pink.
Dr told me to start doing deed day 13 onwards but to me I thought closer to ovulation you more likely for a boy.
Would love any info on how I can sway a girl on Femara. Thank you

We don't know how it works but Femara has been shown in studies and our experience to sway pink.

DTD at O does NOT make boys. Totally debunked and most of the people on this site have timing opposites. I got my girl late at night the night before O day and 3 boys with cutoffs. Here is the case against timing. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

[Share315]

Hi, all, I've been reading these boards and TTC for more that a year now, hoping and praying this last one might be a little girl to join my wonderful three little boys. Well, I'm happy to say that I'm now nearly 7 weeks pregnant after my first round of Femara! Just a word of encouragement for those of you who have struggled to conceive, Femara really really worked for me so I do think it's amazing that way.

Anyways, after so long, I did decide at some point I just wanted to get pregnant again and I really dropped most sway tactics and really the only things I did was the LE diet to some degree (skipping breakfast and watching how much I ate) and the Femara (which incidentally is a sway tactic I never thought I would try; in a perfect world, I would have actually avoided the meds if I could have). We did TI and as for timing, we just did what the RE recommended, the night before O and the night of. Of course, I don't know what gender I'm carrying yet but I will definitely update when I know!

I do have a question though Atomic, it really has nothing to do with swaying but I noticed you said just because you have 2 mature follicles you're not necessarily going to go on to have twins. Do you know what the odds of twins are based on the number of mature follicles you have ? I actually had two mature (with pretty high E2) and one that was darn close the day before O, so now I'm just a bit nervous about the possibility of twins (or more!). Thanks so much for your advice!

[Hopefullmummy]

Hi, all, I've been reading these boards and TTC for more that a year now, hoping and praying this last one might be a little girl to join my wonderful three little boys. Well, I'm happy to say that I'm now nearly 7 weeks pregnant after my first round of Femara! Just a word of encouragement for those of you who have struggled to conceive, Femara really really worked for me so I do think it's amazing that way.

Anyways, after so long, I did decide at some point I just wanted to get pregnant again and I really dropped most sway tactics and really the only things I did was the LE diet to some degree (skipping breakfast and watching how much I ate) and the Femara (which incidentally is a sway tactic I never thought I would try; in a perfect world, I would have actually avoided the meds if I could have). We did TI and as for timing, we just did what the RE recommended, the night before O and the night of. Of course, I don't know what gender I'm carrying yet but I will definitely update when I know!

I do have a question though Atomic, it really has nothing to do with swaying but I noticed you said just because you have 2 mature follicles you're not necessarily going to go on to have twins. Do you know what the odds of twins are based on the number of mature follicles you have ? I actually had two mature (with pretty high E2) and one that was darn close the day before O, so now I'm just a bit nervous about the possibility of twins (or more!). Thanks so much for your advice!

I'm pregnant too for the second time with femara for a girl sway ( miscarried at 6 weeks few weeks ago ) I waited for my period and now I'm pregnant again at 4 weeks. I've gotten pregnant with both on first cycle with femara for this sway. I relaxed about the diet in the end but did the same with no breakfast,meat, snacking etc. also took metformin because I have PCOs. Ive also been feeling quite hopeless about buying a house after we sold which I think is good for a sway. I really hope this works out either way because I don't think I can handle another loss. It was devastating . I'm also wondering if it could twins (like I do with every pregnancy lol ) because my symptoms are so strong already at 4 weeks. I haven't had issues conceiving without femara in the past. Always first cycle so it makes me nervous. Twin girls would be fun though :)

Fingers crossed to you with it all.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi, all, I've been reading these boards and TTC for more that a year now, hoping and praying this last one might be a little girl to join my wonderful three little boys. Well, I'm happy to say that I'm now nearly 7 weeks pregnant after my first round of Femara! Just a word of encouragement for those of you who have struggled to conceive, Femara really really worked for me so I do think it's amazing that way.

Anyways, after so long, I did decide at some point I just wanted to get pregnant again and I really dropped most sway tactics and really the only things I did was the LE diet to some degree (skipping breakfast and watching how much I ate) and the Femara (which incidentally is a sway tactic I never thought I would try; in a perfect world, I would have actually avoided the meds if I could have). We did TI and as for timing, we just did what the RE recommended, the night before O and the night of. Of course, I don't know what gender I'm carrying yet but I will definitely update when I know!

I do have a question though Atomic, it really has nothing to do with swaying but I noticed you said just because you have 2 mature follicles you're not necessarily going to go on to have twins. Do you know what the odds of twins are based on the number of mature follicles you have ? I actually had two mature (with pretty high E2) and one that was darn close the day before O, so now I'm just a bit nervous about the possibility of twins (or more!). Thanks so much for your advice!

Huge congrats Share! And Hopefull!

The odds are not something that are calculatable the way you're thinking of it because different women have different egg quality, etc. And this is largely down to age, genetics, and individual health issues. So a woman who is really young and in good health may have sky high chances of twins with 2 follies, but a 44 year old with diabetes and a family history of trisomy might release 4 eggs and not get pregnant viably at all, if that makes sense.

[Share315]

Hi Atomic,
Thanks so much for your reply. What you're saying does make perfect sense about the number of follicles and the likelihood of twins (or more). I did ask a couple other people including my RE the same question and I could tell no one really wanted to put a number on it. I guess it's just different for every woman. Thanks for explaining it in a way that really makes it really easy to understand. You are truly a wealth of knowledge!

[Share315]

Hi All, just wanted to update everyone. It was confirmed at my 20 week ultrasound that I have a single healthy baby boy on the way, (my 4th boy, no girls). I think it's worth pointing out that Femara is definitely not a magic bullet in a girl sway. I did also do the diet and exercise to some extent, lost a few pounds, etc so looking back, especially with Femara x 2 cycles I really thought my odds were really good, but alas, it wasn't meant to be.

It hurts because that desire to have one of each gender is so strong! But, in no way am I going to love this little guy any less and I'm reminding myself to focus on what I do have and not what I don't . Thank you again Atomic for your advice. I will always be able to say I tried!

[atomic sagebrush]

Huge congrats on your baby boy! I"m sorry the sway did not go as hoped but I am very happy that all is looking well with baby.