Last month failed, so going to try something new

[rancor]

AF arrived, so I think I am going to try something new. I have Rephresh and Replens. I have my PH strips. I'm taking my calcium, magnesium, cranberry pills and folic acid. DH is taking cranberry. I am ready! My question is what do you think works best? Rephresh or replens or vinegar douching (FYI, my sister and I were "from the vinegar factory" according to my mother, so I do believe that way does work, just makes me nervous to put that stuff up there)? Should I do refresh every 3 days through O? It sounds like this is the best one. Should I use it with the douche? Should I add Replens in right before DTD? Is that too much? I know its a lot of questions, just trying to decide what the best route to take is.

Thanks!

[Throwaway_panther]

Are you doing LE diet, exercise and DTD frequency? Those are the biggest sway factors and you didn't note them. Cal/mag doesn't sway pink, either -- that's more old school. Ph has been debunked as well.

I'm curious why you want to do something new. How long have you been trying? If it's only been 1 month, staying the course of a proper LE lifestyle seems like a better plan.

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[rancor]

Yes, trying to do the LE diet (But i'm having a very hard time with it, especially because I travel for work and have to eat out a lot) and exercising at least 4 times a week. DTD as often as we can from end of AF to O. Also doing BBT and OPK.

[familymatters]

Don't DTD as often as you can as that sways blue. The recommended advice on this site is to dtd just once at your first positive OPK. Douching isn't really recommended anymore either

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[rancor]

Ugh, this is so confusing because everything I read or am told contradicts one another. Maybe I will give stick to vinegar. Seemed to work for my mom and aunts… Maybe its just a family thing. GRRR.

[GirlieCat]

Rancor, this site will be different than things you read from Internet searches because this sites techniques and advice is based on solid research. The other things out there are based on very old studies that have since been proven false but still circulate online.

Start with the LE diet, cardio and only one attempt at +OPK. There are posts on here about each of those for more details.

[foxtrotmama]

Most of us here aren't doing PH/timing/calc mag supplements. Many of the moms her have had opposites with that stuff.

Only having one BD attempt (at your first positive OPK) has pretty good results. Diet and exercise have been most successful, plus coffee, alcohol, and fibre supplements.

[foxtrotmama]

If you can't do the LE diet all out, not snacking, eating vegetarian, and pushing breakfast later or skipping it entirely might help.

[rancor]

I have been skipping breakfast completely, doing a very small lunch, and a girl diet dinner as much as I can. I just feel like there is so much information that is conflicting. So we should do no FR? Or yes?

[foxtrotmama]

Frequent release should be DH on his own, or protected. I have seen atomic say it wasn't getting good results though.

[rancor]

Ok, did some more reading. Looks like current trends are abstain for 8 days, then 1 attempt when we get a +OPK? Is taking Benadryl still a common practice?
Also DH is almost 36, a smoker, and addicted to soda. All things that can lower sperm count, right? Do you think FR on his end or abstaining would be better for us?

[Throwaway_panther]

Ok, did some more reading. Looks like current trends are abstain for 8 days, then 1 attempt when we get a +OPK? Is taking Benadryl still a common practice?
Also DH is almost 36, a smoker, and addicted to soda. All things that can lower sperm count, right? Do you think FR on his end or abstaining would be better for us?
Him being a smoker is a HUGE girl sway factor!

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[rancor]

Thats promising! I guess there is one decent reason he hasn't quit yet! We were both smokers, drinkers, and unhealthy eaters when my DS was conceived, so my guess is all the red meat and all the processed foods are probably what contributed more to the boy than the smoking?

[atomic sagebrush]

The jellies have not really worked for us, they are getting neutral results. I can't tell based on our results if vinegar douching is working or not. I don't like it for other reasons so generally I deter people from using them and so our sample size is way too small to draw any conclusions. If you do want to douche, I recommend only doing a vinegar and water douche 4-6 hours before your attempt and not all the constant douching and pH testing because that'll drive you nutty.

Do not mix douche with RepHresh, that can cause a pH spike. One or the other.

A lot of the stuff you're doing is not really my cup of tea but I know that they're hard to give up on.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, trying to do the LE diet (But i'm having a very hard time with it, especially because I travel for work and have to eat out a lot) and exercising at least 4 times a week. DTD as often as we can from end of AF to O. Also doing BBT and OPK.

I recommend sticking to one attempt in the fertile window if you can. Our success rates go from 70-75% with one attempt, to 60-65% with two (these numbers vary as people's results come in) and drop all the way down to 40ish% with 3 attempts. We don't know why, but it's been very consistent for us.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ugh, this is so confusing because everything I read or am told contradicts one another. Maybe I will give stick to vinegar. Seemed to work for my mom and aunts… Maybe its just a family thing. GRRR.

Most of us on here got 2-3-4 boys or more doing the cal-mag, douching, timing, pH jazz recommended on the other sites. They all base their ideas on a few old theories that are decades old and most of which are totally debunked.

I leave douching out because I hate it and it has horrible side effects. I know a lot of people do report their relatives got girls with douching but then again I never know how much stock to put into any of that because of course most people do get at least one girl regardless.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, did some more reading. Looks like current trends are abstain for 8 days, then 1 attempt when we get a +OPK? Is taking Benadryl still a common practice?
Also DH is almost 36, a smoker, and addicted to soda. All things that can lower sperm count, right? Do you think FR on his end or abstaining would be better for us?

I don't have any men who are over 35, especially smokers, do abstain. Either do FR or just have him do regular release on his own or with you with a condom every 2-4 days.

Smoking is one of the best sway tactics for pink that there is.

A lot of people do take Benadryl. It does cut odds of conception though. I'd play that by ear and only use it if you a) decide not to douche and b) have a lot of visible CM.

I know it's annoying when info doesn't all add up in a neat package with a bow on top. But the reason why we do it that way is because that info did not work for us. We think we have a better and easier to stick to way of swaying,a nd there is always an explanation so if something seems confusing, please just ask and I'll explain. :)

[rancor]

Wouldn't neutral be better than high though? It is typical in the 8-9 range after BD. I have gotten it as low as 6 when I was drinking Crystal Light every day. My mom and her two sisters, plus SIL all got girls when doing the vinegar douche, which made 6 girls, so there must be some truth to the PH theory?
Ok, so how many times should we have a FR or BD with condom? Im on my last day of AF. Do we start BD every 2-4 days now? If he chooses to do FR, its everyday? What about the day of +OPK? Have a release, then BD? I'm assuming the goal is to have low swimmers, right? How accurate is the missionary position with no big O?

[foxtrotmama]

All 6 of the kids 2 and under on my block are boys- does that mean that living on my block sways blue? ;) I think if there's anything to douches it's probably that it washes away fertile cervical mucous.

I haven't seen anything to suggest that position matters.

[melisha78]

A lot of ladies I know used lime and they got their girls.


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[atomic sagebrush]

A lot of ladies I know used lime and they got their girls.


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I can all but guarantee I've seen more sways than just about anyone on the planet earth by this point and I can assure you I've seen people douche with lime, lemon, vinegar, baking soda, egg whites, all kinds of crap, for days and even weeks on end, and get tons of opposites doing it. Plus, their odds of conception are cut drastically and they have horrible vag infections.

If pH was really effective, all that baby doctors would have to do is dump some pH goo in with a sperm and egg in a container. But they don't do this because it does not work.

I have not made up my mind on douching for pink. maybe it helps in some way. I allow true believers to use them if they want. But when we're getting good results without it, without the long times to conception and infections and general insanity and marital problems of the douching brigade, I see no point to it.

[atomic sagebrush]

All 6 of the kids 2 and under on my block are boys- does that mean that living on my block sways blue? ;) I think if there's anything to douches it's probably that it washes away fertile cervical mucous.

I haven't seen anything to suggest that position matters.

:agree: Until someone does a blind, randomized, side by side study with and without douching in people who are doing nothing else to sway, we can't know if douching works. I see people seem to have success with douching but they are the very most strict in every other way too. I think this really skews the douching stats because the only people doing it are the people who are also doing one attempt, dieting strictly, exercising, etc. All the laid back gals who are like "you want me to do WHAT??" never, ever douche.

I used to be on sites where people used primarily douching. I saw firsthand people who did not do diet or any other sway tactic and relied solely on douching and they got boys with douching. The at home high tech people had 50-50 results for YEARS and they do so much pH stuff that it makes a simple douche look like nothing. They douched for days and weeks at a time and added straight lime to their husbands semen and had 50-50 results for like 5 years straight.

[atomic sagebrush]

Wouldn't neutral be better than high though? It is typical in the 8-9 range after BD. I have gotten it as low as 6 when I was drinking Crystal Light every day. My mom and her two sisters, plus SIL all got girls when doing the vinegar douche, which made 6 girls, so there must be some truth to the PH theory?
Ok, so how many times should we have a FR or BD with condom? Im on my last day of AF. Do we start BD every 2-4 days now? If he chooses to do FR, its everyday? What about the day of +OPK? Have a release, then BD? I'm assuming the goal is to have low swimmers, right? How accurate is the missionary position with no big O?

You're misunderstanding me. I mean neutral in terms of NOT WORKING, not neutral in terms of pH. They have low pH but neutral results. Same number of people are getting boys and girls when using them. They don't work. They are not swaying pink or blue and are really cutting odds of conception, so you end up reducing your odds of pregnancy for something that is not affecting the outcomes of any sway.

What if there is something in a vinegar douche that sways for some reason OTHER than pH??? What if it's washing away cervical mucus or some other thing that we can only guess at? I'm not saying you should not use a douche if it floats your boat, but douching working for 6 people proves nothing (especially since most families do have girls in them!) I can round up 6 people who smoke and don't have lung cancer either but that doesn't mean that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. :)

Let me clarify on the frequency because I feel we are still having confusion. There are two different methods here:

1)One attempt. You can do this either with FR daily for 7-10 days, on his own or with you, with a condom, and then have one unprotected attempt (this may be a better sway but also cuts odds of conception), or you can have him release on his own or with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days and then have one unprotected attempt. (this may be slightly bluer but does up odds of conception)

2)Every 4 day method. Just BD unprotected every 4 days. DO NOT under any circumstanced BD unprotected every 2 days this would sway blue - this is where I think we are getting confused.

I would not mess around with tacking another attempt onto the end of an FR. That really cuts odds of conception considerably and hasn't been shown to help.

Positions are one of those things we really don't know if they help. Same with Big O for DW - most of us do try to skip 'em but we do see plenty of girls conceived with the gals having them. I had one when I got my DD. ;)

[rancor]

Ok, I *think* I follow. He didn't seem to want to go for FR on his end, so I'm thinking unprotected every 4 days until +OPK? If I'm using the Clear Blue Easy test, would that be the first day of a smiley face, right? Or do we BD until peak fertility?
Changing the diet to low everything as much as I can. No breakfast, but I don't know that I can live without my cup of coffee in the morning. Switched it to decaf and that seems to help my morning headaches. Working on upping my cardio and doing less strength workout. Took the supplements out. Anything else I can do to help it?

[GirlieCat]

If you do e4d do not stop at +OPK. Keep doing e4d pattern even beyond positive OPK at least for a week or so just in case you O later than you think. I am doing e4d all the way till AF arrives or I get BFP because I don't want to risk missing O. The point is you don't have to worry about your +OPK or O day as much because one of your 4 days will automatically be in your fertility window if you keep BD till well after you O.

[foxtrotmama]

Don't feel any need to drop the coffee, and I would keep the full caff if you can. Drinking coffee is actually one of the pink sway tactics a lot of us are using!

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, I *think* I follow. He didn't seem to want to go for FR on his end, so I'm thinking unprotected every 4 days until +OPK? If I'm using the Clear Blue Easy test, would that be the first day of a smiley face, right? Or do we BD until peak fertility?
Changing the diet to low everything as much as I can. No breakfast, but I don't know that I can live without my cup of coffee in the morning. Switched it to decaf and that seems to help my morning headaches. Working on upping my cardio and doing less strength workout. Took the supplements out. Anything else I can do to help it?

I want you to actually keep going with e4d until after you are fully sure you have ovulated (even if this means going right thru to the next month's AF!!) Sometimes your body can start a surge but then decide not to ovulate, and if you stop attempts then, you'll stop BD before the egg shows.

Coffee is allowed on LE Diet and has been a very effective sway tactic. I know they claim it sways blue on the "other site" but our results have proven that they can't be correct on that. Coffee in the morning in lieu of breakfast is fine and exactly what most of our successful swayers have done.

First solid smiley = positive OPK.

[rancor]

Got it! Thanks! Due to ovulate next week, so think pink!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Excellent! Pink dust headed your way.