HFLC diet while swaying for a girl?

[RonsWifey2011]

I am completely overwhelmed by all of the information on this site, and just have a few questions.

First, I am eating a high fat, low carbohydrate diet, and have been for about 9 months. I really don't want to change it too much, as I still have about 45 pounds I want to lose. I never eat breakfast, just a cup of coffee. I have a couple ounces of cheese for lunch, and some form of chicken with either green beans or broccoli for dinner most nights. I have been avoiding red meat, tomatoes and obviously potatoes. I do occasionally have bacon or salami, but have been trying to avoid that too. How much of an impact will this have on my sway?

Second, DH is 48, so I am skeptical about doing things like jump and dump or lime douche. I am worried with his age, and I am 31 so I am no spring chicken either, that it may hinder conception. Can anyone weigh in on this?

Third, we have been considering following SMEP this cycle, as that is what we did when we conceived our daughter in 2013. However, I hear this sways boy so I don't know.

Side note, although it may not make a difference, we have been ATTC since June, and I had a miscarriage/chemical pregnancy around 4 weeks in the beginning of August. I am currently on CD2 of my second cycle after the loss.

Supplements: I am currently taking calcium citrate, magnessium, cranberry (until + OPK), folic acid and biotin. I was taking prenatals until yesterday, but I read that it sways boy so I replaced them with the folic acid.

I would really appreciate some insight, as I am really lost. I want to do as much as I possibly can to favor conceiving a daughter, although I know there are no guarantees. Thank you in advance!

[RonsWifey2011]

I forgot to add that I am also taking vitamin C. Does anyone have any advice?

[babygirl]

The le diet is low nutrients so drop all supps accept folic acid. Skipping breakfast is good and overall you want low nutrients and to keep to 2-3 meals with no snacking.no still struggle with it all so hope others Chime in

[GirlieCat]

Can you think back to see when you may have ovulated?? Does it help shed any light?? Because it looks to me like you may have Oed a couple days later than FF thought and had basically no attempts during that period.

LE Diet is sticking in these limits:

1500-1800 cals for most (a few people eat a little more or a little less, this is just ballpark)
40-50 g protein for most
30-60 g fat for most

Low carb vegetables are free and unlimited (meaning you don't count them for anything and you have to hit the above totals without them
High carb veg and fruit are free for protein and fat, but count calories

Eating 2 or 3 meals a day, avoiding snacks, and pushing breakfast back a few hours or skipping it if you can

Avoiding or strictly limiting highly fortified foods like breakfast cereal and protein bars

Most people find that going totally vegetarian makes it easier to stick in the limits, but you can have meat now and then if you'd like.

Getting most of your protein and fat intake from vegetable sources rather than animal.

I always made the same thing for myself and my family, I just ate the sides and skipped the meat.

The statistics are misleading because different groups of people do the various tactics and so we have to be able to look deeper to understand what is really happening. I believe based on studies that most people who think they got pregnant with a 4 day or more cutoff were wrong about when they ovulated (because it is very difficult to get pregnant with that long a cutoff and studies have indicated that it's really difficult to pin down O to the day without blood tests or ultrasounds). But those people did have the one attempt, so it makes it look like timing was swaying when really it was the number of attempts. Overall, one attempt in the fertile window has been very consistent. I do not recommend anyone ever TRY for a 4 day or more cutoff because done correctly that has a small chance of conception (and the longer cutoffs like 5-6 days are next to impossible) but as long as you have one attempt, that's what seems to matter.

Every 4 days is just an easy way to have one attempt without having to think about it too much.

Ronswifey, I attached a quote from Atomic above that has lots of good info for you.

The LE is supposed to be low fat not high, but not sure what limit you think is high.

The supplements are very blue. Most ladies just take folic acid (not sure about cranberry though). Cal and Mag are used with blue sways usually.

[GirlieCat]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/introductions/56429-hello.html link to the whole post where Atomics quote came from.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome!

If you are actively losing weight on a lower nutrient diet than you were eating when you got your boys (if you have any LOL) then that can still sway pink. Your diet does not actually sound terrible to me (and if that is high fat, I can't imagine what you were eating before!!) It looks fairly low in fat actually and LE Diet allows up to 60 g of fat. You may want to try eating more vegetable based fats vs. animal, since that has been shown in studies to sway pink.

You do not need to avoid potatoes and tomatoes for swaying pink. That is ONLY for people doing the French Gender type diets where they are drinking tons of milk and limiting potassium. On LE Diet we are not doing that (and neither are you it appears to me) and you need to get potassium from somewhere (2500-3500 mg a day is what your body needs and this is the same on all swaying diets, you aren't compromising your sway at all by doing that.)

I hate douching and never recommend lime douche. Most of us only do jump and dump after 5-10 minutes and not immediately. Being 31 will not hinder conception!! Your husband's age may make things a bit harder but as long as you're not doing a long abstain or giving him licorice root it should not impinge on anything.

I do think SMEP tends to sway blue but as you know already, just because something sways doens't make it a magic bullet. Again, this is fine if you prefer to do SMEP. It is your sway, your way. I would like to suggest instead a compromise that ups odds of conception but we have had success swaying pink with. Having unprotected sex every 4 days and then one more attempt at positive OPK. This has gotten good results for us with conception and swaying pink.

I would strongly urge you to go back onto the prenatals in order to wean off them gradually. The body doesn't "like" sudden drops in nutrients like that. Just gradually space doses over the next 3 weeks till down to one a week and then drop.

It is time to drop the cranberry. May cut odds of conception and is not safe for you. Our results showed it did nothing anyway.

Cal-mag is at your discretion. Many of us on here got boy opposites taking them and so it was very easy for us to give them up! But I understand that others are not "there yet" and may want to continue taking them and that is totally up to you. I would wean off the biotin though.

One thing I strongly urge you add is 60 minutes of cardio exercise 6-7 days a week (or even 4-5 if you can). When you're not dieting quite as strictly, it is a way to make up a lot of ground for your sway and has been among one of our best sway tactics. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I forgot to add that I am also taking vitamin C. Does anyone have any advice?

I would personally wean off the Vit. C as well.

[RonsWifey2011]

Hi and welcome!

If you are actively losing weight on a lower nutrient diet than you were eating when you got your boys (if you have any LOL) then that can still sway pink. Your diet does not actually sound terrible to me (and if that is high fat, I can't imagine what you were eating before!!) It looks fairly low in fat actually and LE Diet allows up to 60 g of fat. You may want to try eating more vegetable based fats vs. animal, since that has been shown in studies to sway pink.

You do not need to avoid potatoes and tomatoes for swaying pink. That is ONLY for people doing the French Gender type diets where they are drinking tons of milk and limiting potassium. On LE Diet we are not doing that (and neither are you it appears to me) and you need to get potassium from somewhere (2500-3500 mg a day is what your body needs and this is the same on all swaying diets, you aren't compromising your sway at all by doing that.)

I hate douching and never recommend lime douche. Most of us only do jump and dump after 5-10 minutes and not immediately. Being 31 will not hinder conception!! Your husband's age may make things a bit harder but as long as you're not doing a long abstain or giving him licorice root it should not impinge on anything.

I do think SMEP tends to sway blue but as you know already, just because something sways doens't make it a magic bullet. Again, this is fine if you prefer to do SMEP. It is your sway, your way. I would like to suggest instead a compromise that ups odds of conception but we have had success swaying pink with. Having unprotected sex every 4 days and then one more attempt at positive OPK. This has gotten good results for us with conception and swaying pink.

I would strongly urge you to go back onto the prenatals in order to wean off them gradually. The body doesn't "like" sudden drops in nutrients like that. Just gradually space doses over the next 3 weeks till down to one a week and then drop.

It is time to drop the cranberry. May cut odds of conception and is not safe for you. Our results showed it did nothing anyway.

Cal-mag is at your discretion. Many of us on here got boy opposites taking them and so it was very easy for us to give them up! But I understand that others are not "there yet" and may want to continue taking them and that is totally up to you. I would wean off the biotin though.

One thing I strongly urge you add is 60 minutes of cardio exercise 6-7 days a week (or even 4-5 if you can). When you're not dieting quite as strictly, it is a way to make up a lot of ground for your sway and has been among one of our best sway tactics. :)

For the LE diet, I should have between 1500-1800 calories, 40-50g of protein and 30-60g of fat. My diet I am currently following requires me to eat less than 20g of carbs a day, so those come from vegetables, I can't eat bread, rice or pasta. I decided to switch up the cheese I have at lunch to broccoli/cauliflower to help cut the protein. I am also going to be weighing my chicken before I cook it for dinner, to ensure I eat no more than 4 ounces, since that is 35g of protein! I think I was eating between 6-8 ounces before, I just didn't know :)

For supplements, I took your suggestion to stop the cranberry, vitamin c, biotin and calcium. I can't stop the magnesium, as my diet is lacking in that, and I was told I needed to supplement. I notice if I don't take it, my muscles really ache. So, the only thing I will keep taking is the magnesium and folic acid. Should I be taking 800mcg of folic acid or more/less? Also, a lot of foods that contain potassium I can't eat because of my carb limits. Are supplements okay?

For frequency, you recommend every 4 days, with one last attempt at positive OPK, correct? I usually ovulate on cd 18, with a positive OPK 1-2 days before that. So if I start every 4th day on cd 8, my final attempt would be 2 days after previous attempt. Is that still going to sway pink?

Add in 60 minutes of cardio at least 4-5 days a week, preferably 6-7 days a week once my diet isn't so restrictive.

Finally, since I am basically starting my sway plan today, would it have an impact if I were to conceive this cycle? I am currently on cd 6, so I would only be following the diet approximately 2 weeks before ovulation. I don't know how all of this works, but we have been trying for several months with a 2-3 day cutoff (I have since learned that shettles method has been debunked) so we are ready to be pregnant already!

Sorry for the novel, just a lot to take in! Thank you so much for all of your help!

[RonsWifey2011]

I forgot to mention the supplements/medications DH is taking (not for swaying, but I am curious if they might have an effect on it). He is taking calcium, magnesium, saw palmetto, L-lysine, vitamin c and medication to lower his cholesterol. He also takes Tylenol/Motrin daily for pain. Would love some input. Thank you in advance :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I want you to up your protein and fat both to 50-60 g at the minimum and maybe more like 60-70. That's still going to be more than you were eating before.

Yes yes keep going with the magnesium. I like everyone to be on 1200-1600 mcg folic (especially since you are not eating any things like fortified grains and such) just to be on the safe side.

What do you normally do for potassium??? Things like chicken and dairy do have quite a bit of potassium in them. I'd probalby just do a coconut water if that is allowed for you.

2 attempts may be slightly more blue friendly but it is better than SMEP!!

We got poor results with less than 6 weeks on diet BUT ya gotta do what ya gotta do and personally if I'd been TTC several months I'd be inclined to go for it.

Shettles is really really bad at getting people pregnant unfortunately so I would try either doing every 4 days (without the extra attempt) OR every 4 days plus one (like we talked about) or just one attempt on O-1 instead of such a long cutoff. Any of those things will be better odds of conception than Shettles cutoff.

[atomic sagebrush]

I forgot to mention the supplements/medications DH is taking (not for swaying, but I am curious if they might have an effect on it). He is taking calcium, magnesium, saw palmetto, L-lysine, vitamin c and medication to lower his cholesterol. He also takes Tylenol/Motrin daily for pain. Would love some input. Thank you in advance :)

How long has he been on SP?? That can sometimes lower sperm health.

Cholesterol lowering meds may help sway pink.

I would not have him add in anything else in the way of supps for your sway.

[atomic sagebrush]

I forgot to mention the supplements/medications DH is taking (not for swaying, but I am curious if they might have an effect on it). He is taking calcium, magnesium, saw palmetto, L-lysine, vitamin c and medication to lower his cholesterol. He also takes Tylenol/Motrin daily for pain. Would love some input. Thank you in advance :)

How long has he been on SP?? That can sometimes lower sperm health.

Cholesterol lowering meds may help sway pink.

I would not have him add in anything else in the way of supps for your sway.

[RonsWifey2011]

I want you to up your protein and fat both to 50-60 g at the minimum and maybe more like 60-70. That's still going to be more than you were eating before.

Yes yes keep going with the magnesium. I like everyone to be on 1200-1600 mcg folic (especially since you are not eating any things like fortified grains and such) just to be on the safe side.

What do you normally do for potassium??? Things like chicken and dairy do have quite a bit of potassium in them. I'd probalby just do a coconut water if that is allowed for you.

2 attempts may be slightly more blue friendly but it is better than SMEP!!

We got poor results with less than 6 weeks on diet BUT ya gotta do what ya gotta do and personally if I'd been TTC several months I'd be inclined to go for it.

Shettles is really really bad at getting people pregnant unfortunately so I would try either doing every 4 days (without the extra attempt) OR every 4 days plus one (like we talked about) or just one attempt on O-1 instead of such a long cutoff. Any of those things will be better odds of conception than Shettles cutoff.

Okay, I will go for 50-70g of protein and fat, and up my folic acid to 1600 mcg :) I have not been doing anything for potassium, I guess just the dairy and chicken. I might want to add a supplement, since I cut back on the amount of these things I am eating, to stay within the protein range.

Since I don't want to do anything that is more 'boy friendly' I will probably try just every 4 days this month, and see what happens. If that doesn't work, I will try every 4 days with one more attempt at positive opk. Plus, if it doesn't work this month, it will give me an extra 4 weeks on the diet :)

I am also considering Zyrtec for the 5 days leading up to O, is that still something that sways girl?

Is it recommended to avoid orgasm when swaying for a girl?

Thank you again, you are awesome!

[RonsWifey2011]

How long has he been on SP?? That can sometimes lower sperm health.

Cholesterol lowering meds may help sway pink.

I would not have him add in anything else in the way of supps for your sway.

He has only been on the SP for about a week, he was taking flomax for urinary issues, but hasn't for awhile. Then he started taking cranberry, but switched to SP. Is one better than the other?

[RonsWifey2011]

So, we DTD last night on cd7, we will again tomorrow on cd9, then cd13 and cd17 (trying to get O-1 while still doing every 4 days, since I ovulate on cd18). If I happen to ovulate a day early on cd17, while having just the one attempt on O day be more boy friendly? Sorry to be such a pain, you are so helpful!

[atomic sagebrush]

Our results with Zyrtec have been pretty neutral so unless you're totally sold on it, it does cut odds of conception. May be something to consider leaving out. Your call to make.

Orgasms are here. ONe of those gray areas we really aren't sure about. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/27912-o-no-orgasms-swaying.html

cranberry is not a replacement for SP, it's a different thing entirely. Honestly, I'd probably leave them all out and just go with the cholesterol medication since some of the interactions make me nervous and they are largely unstudied and unknown.

[atomic sagebrush]

So, we DTD last night on cd7, we will again tomorrow on cd9, then cd13 and cd17 (trying to get O-1 while still doing every 4 days, since I ovulate on cd18). If I happen to ovulate a day early on cd17, while having just the one attempt on O day be more boy friendly? Sorry to be such a pain, you are so helpful!

Wtih the every 4 days you aren't supposed to try to make it come out a certain day, just set the pattern up and then put it out of your head, try not to think about it too much.

Timing doesn't sway http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html, most of us on here have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites. It's the number of attempts, and doing every 4 days you're really in with only one good attempt no matter how you slice it - even if worst case you end up with O-3 and O Day, that's really just one attempt, because if there's anything left over from the O-3 it will fertilize the egg before the O Day shot gets there and capacitates, and if there isn't, then the O day shot can then make up for that and you're still in with a shot. :)

[RonsWifey2011]

Wtih the every 4 days you aren't supposed to try to make it come out a certain day, just set the pattern up and then put it out of your head, try not to think about it too much.

Timing doesn't sway http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html, most of us on here have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites. It's the number of attempts, and doing every 4 days you're really in with only one good attempt no matter how you slice it - even if worst case you end up with O-3 and O Day, that's really just one attempt, because if there's anything left over from the O-3 it will fertilize the egg before the O Day shot gets there and capacitates, and if there isn't, then the O day shot can then make up for that and you're still in with a shot. :)

That makes perfect sense, thank you!

[RonsWifey2011]

Wtih the every 4 days you aren't supposed to try to make it come out a certain day, just set the pattern up and then put it out of your head, try not to think about it too much.

Timing doesn't sway http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html, most of us on here have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites. It's the number of attempts, and doing every 4 days you're really in with only one good attempt no matter how you slice it - even if worst case you end up with O-3 and O Day, that's really just one attempt, because if there's anything left over from the O-3 it will fertilize the egg before the O Day shot gets there and capacitates, and if there isn't, then the O day shot can then make up for that and you're still in with a shot. :)

So, I have been reading the "Nuts and bolts of swaying" thread and I am really nervous. It seems like BD every 4 days from AF sways blue. I am especially worried, because my attempt will end up on O day with the every 4 day pattern. I know I am supposed to put it out of my mind, but it seems I am doing everything wrong to sway girl.

[atomic sagebrush]

RW, some of the stuff in that is older and while in principle the idea was that regular release by your hubby would sway blue, in practice that has gotten good results for pink (better than one attempt, but I'm not sure that is a real finding or only a quirk of the stats.)

I think we need to view this in the context of your original question, which was that you were having trouble getting pregnant with Shettles and were considering going all the way to SMEP!! So please view this thru the lens of "what I was doing wasn't working, and this is probably better than SMEP." :)

If you think you're going to come out on O Day and it's really bugging you, that's ok to shift it a little. skip a day or something to make the pattern come out right. I just don't like people doing all the jockeying around trying to have it fall a certain day.

[RonsWifey2011]

RW, some of the stuff in that is older and while in principle the idea was that regular release by your hubby would sway blue, in practice that has gotten good results for pink (better than one attempt, but I'm not sure that is a real finding or only a quirk of the stats.)

I think we need to view this in the context of your original question, which was that you were having trouble getting pregnant with Shettles and were considering going all the way to SMEP!! So please view this thru the lens of "what I was doing wasn't working, and this is probably better than SMEP." :)

If you think you're going to come out on O Day and it's really bugging you, that's ok to shift it a little. skip a day or something to make the pattern come out right. I just don't like people doing all the jockeying around trying to have it fall a certain day.

Thank you! There is just so much information to go through! I am trying to read it on my own, but it seems to bring up more questions. Since talking to you, I think I have all of the information I need :)

[RonsWifey2011]

Also, I am excited to say that after adjusting my diet to LE, I lost 3 pounds last week alone! I had stalled for several weeks, so I am beyond excited!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! There is just so much information to go through! I am trying to read it on my own, but it seems to bring up more questions. Since talking to you, I think I have all of the information I need :)

That's what I'm here for - let me know how I can help. :)