Let's talk about blue sways.

[atomic sagebrush]

UPDATED 12-23-17

Our blue sways are getting much better results for 2017, back up to the range of 2011-2014 . We dropped EPO, wheatgrass supplements, and milk replacers from our sways but since we used all those things 2011-2014 and got good results then, I really truly honestly believe the sole difference is that we had a larger sample size this year. So the people who had complicating factors in their sways THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SWAYING such as health or fertility issues, medication, etc were mitigated by the people who did not.

The last 2 years (2015-2016) our blue sway results were worse than the previous years despite the fact that we changed nothing. (Please note, we had better than 50-50 success rates every year) I'm opening the floor to talk about why that is and I'm going to move some posts that were unfortunately posted in a person's sway post before I realized where they were at. UPDATE our results for 2017 are back up and is at present (Dec. 23 of 2017) 70%.

From 2011-2014 we got great results for blue doing nothing any different than we are doing right now (between 65-80%). At the same time we had terrible results for pink, changed some stuff with pink and our success rates went up and up (and we are using that info for our blue swayers too). We had people getting boys after 4 and 5 girls, people getting boys after failed IG sways, and people getting 2 and 3 boys in a row. We have changed nothing for blue because we did not have to, our results were great for 3 years straight. I believe STRONGLY that we are completely on the right track and this is largely an unfortunate and temporary side effect from having so few blue swayers.

If we do have some people (as I do believe) who are more set for one or the other, it can really skew the stats even if they are swaying hugely...like I always say, if you guys go from 80% to 50 or 60% likely to have the same gender you've been having all along, that is still a huge sway but still means that our overall results may still be 50-50 range and that is OK. This may manifest itself with some of our blue swayers taking ages to get pregnant for no apparent reason, which seems to be associated with more girls conceived despite great blue sways.

I really, really, really hesitate to "go here" because I hate this line of thought but the truth is that at least SOME of our blue swayers (particularly in 2015) did not have that good of sways. Again, if we had more people this would get lost in the shuffle (as it has in 2017 where our results are back up where they were in 2011-2014) but with only a handful of people it can affect the outcomes. This does not mean you guys shouldn't sway (as an example, if your husband won't quit smoking, which is the main thing). You are still going to have way better chances than if you do nothing any different. I am going to keep researching and trying to figure out something to change but as it sits right now, I believe in what we're doing and I think it works even if people have gotten more opposites than I like to see the last few months.

[atomic sagebrush]

This was a post that someone put up in another thread. Was not written by me but I will post a response to it.

Atomic will throw in her 2 cents at some point in all the opposite sways lately. Pink seems to be getting hit hard too in a way which she says everything is weird cause they got great results for many years and nothing has changed plan wise so at the moment nobody knows why blue swayers are taking forever to get pregnant and ending up with girls or why pink swayers are walking by their DH and getting pregnant but with boys. Who knows what is going on I am hoping someone figures it out though...

Baby you know I am here for you and you are not alone.

[atomic sagebrush]

This is a response to the above post that again, I did not write. I respond to this below.

I totally did not know this, I looked at the we swayed pink in 2016 and I thought it looked pretty ok, think there were 40 odd girls and 20 boys? Is it maybe there are alot more people swaying and that is adding more natural variability into the mix? Maybe is is something to do with the number of attempts, maybe for blue people are having too much sex and sperm count is dropping and conception is reduced, hence why it is taking longer and they are getting girls. Maybe with the pink swayers, has there been a move towards e4d's or even e3d's and maybe that is leading to enough time for sperm to recover but also giving two attempts in fertile window, increasing the chances of conception, which means that pink swayers are getting pregnant quicker but also giving two attempts in fertile window which maybe resulting in more boys? Very interesting x

[atomic sagebrush]

My response to the above post:

There is some misunderstanding here because pink is getting great results (spectacular really and I'm very pleased with them). I think that there is some confusion because in 2011 and 2012 we had HORRIBLE results for pink and great ones for blue. Then we changed things for pink, but not for blue (and a lot of the stuff we changed was actually BASED on our results with blue - we started avoiding things that were working for blue, meaning that more than ever, it makes no sense that our blue sway tactics are somehow swaying pink!!!!)

Long story short - pink used to be disappointing (still better than 50-50 tho), blue used to be great. We changed things for pink based in part on what we learned from blue. Changed nothing for blue. It makes literally no sense that the results for blue would then drop unless they were "lucky high" to begin with. But if they were, then WHY would pink results have improved based on things we learned from blue sways? It simply doesn't add up to me and thus I search for an alternate explanation. (humbly, trying to offend no one)

Guys, I hope that the last 5 years has proven to you all that if I EVER in my wildest thoughts and imaginings thought that anything I was recommending was causing people to get sway opposites I would IMMEDIATELY change to accomodate that. The reason I recommend what I do for blue is because I think it works, full stop. Something else is going on here and I believe it comes back to the fertility factor.

RE the sperm count idea - the vast majority of the blue swayers have not been able to do the 3 attempts anyway so that cannot be a factor.

[atomic sagebrush]

Then, there was this thread.

Thanks for your input atomic, I cant comment over years only the last few months which I have watched and on my dd board where all the boy swayers (only 3) upto now are having girls. I cant comment on other peoples sways, but I can assure you on mine there is nothing more we could have done. I followed a personalised sway in 2013 but in all honestly I did not stick to it 100%, I still drank and had caffine. I also missed breakfast most days, as I was bust and we didn't always keep up with the 2/4 day releases. Also only one attempt in the fertile window. So although it was gutting, it was no huge surprise that was my 3rd girl. However this time we 100% complied. I cannot even list all the things we done. So while I agree some boy swayers may not have complied 100% I know several that have and have still got oppostites. Of course I agree results are not as impressive as fewer swayers can skew the results, but on my board theres a 0% success rate. Of course I realise its not your fault in any way shape of form, its just very disheartening.

I am confused by what you are saying in the last post. So do you believe that some people are 80% likely to have the one gender?? its not going to help me, its obviously too late and with 4 girls I will not be having anymore children full stop but it still intregues me.

[atomic sagebrush]

That was in no way directed at you. It is not my intent to try and upset anyone, I am just telling it as I see it which is that for some people there are things going on that are skewing the stats. One of those things among many others is a handful of people who had less than ideal compliance. It is one of many things that I believe made our success rates lower than they were in the previous years.

I see a lot in the personalized plans that people are not advertising on the site proper so despite what is written in the forums, I know some stuff about some sways that gives me a basis for saying that. I am not naming names or mentioning who/what, I have no clue who is in what due date group, or who did what when where why and how, I'm just saying some of the opposites that I have seen this last year are in people who did not do things in the way that I would have had them do. Same with pink swayers. In pink sways this gets swallowed up because we have 200 people, but when we have only 20 people involved, if 5 couples don't follow through, then we start off at a huge disadvantage with sway results.

While I do know absolutely totally and completely that it is absolutely possible to get an opposite with a great sway. I have never said otherwise and in fact I have been very vocal about it. All I can tell you is that we have not done anything any different and the results were worse.

I am really not trying to quibble or argue, this was brought up by someone (not me). I had to respond to it. I am also fine with you guys blaming me for failed sways. I am just trying to be upfront about what I think is going on here, because it does not make sense that we could be getting 75-80% success for years and then change nothing and then have poor results. (Especially given that pink swaying based on the same set of principles is working.)

I apologize for anyone I have upset or who will invariably BE upset by reading this. I am just trying to answer the questions that come before me to the best of my ability. I am not and never will blame anyone for a failed sway and I always want you guys to be free to pick and choose the sway tactics that are working for you. BUT when an analysis is forced upon me (NOT MY CHOICE BTW) I am going to do that honestly, and when I have people who are doing things that I have point blank told them not to, and then they get an opposite, sorry but that does kinda need to go into my overall analysis. If I didn't take that into consideration then I would not be doing you guys justice really.

The fact is, I think swaying on HE Diet works. We had the stats from 2011-2014, our pink stats, countless studies, the "how we got our boys/girls" threads, and tons of people in the Custom Sway forums (many of whom do not post their sways here in the public forums) all of it adding up to show that it does. We have people who got boys after 4 and 5 girls, we have people who swayed 3 times and got boys all three times, we have people who had sway opposites with the old-school sway tactics have successful blue sways with HE. We even had a person who successfully swayed blue, then turned around and successfully swayed pink. It is all too much to just be "luck". Nothing that has happened in the last year has made me doubt this one iota or lose faith in it at all.

[XXforhubby]

First of all, my heart goes out to those whose blue sway did not work [emoji20]. There is nothing I can say except I'm so sorry.

I too have wondered why the blue sways are giving opposites lately! I'm wondering if there is a "sweet spot" so to speak like we've found with the pink sways. For pink, it seems the hardcore, throw the kitchen sink at it sways fail while the more laid back pink sways give the most baby girls.

I'm wondering if those that gain too much weight on the HE diet are possibly putting themselves into more of a pink friendly zone or not having enough attempts are having an effect. Maybe the calorie recommendations are too high. Maybe 1500-1900 calories would be more doable. This can easily be done, even with grazing all day. Also, what about BDing EOD? Maybe this would be more easily manageable for those DH that can't do the other patterns.

Again, I know this subject is a little raw for some people, and the last thing I want to do by offering some possible suggestions, is to upset anyone. I have been on these boards for a while now, and I just wanted to share some thoughts I've had about this. It just breaks my heart...sorry...I just wish everyone could get their desired gender.



[emoji170]DS1[emoji1379], DS2[emoji602], DS3[emoji577][emoji170]
[emoji166]One last pink sway in 2016[emoji166]
My Ovulation Chart (https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/579920)

[atomic sagebrush]

Also a reply to the above thread.

RE 80% - there seems to be a theoretical upper limit with the success of sways. We saw this in our blue sways for a while there with certain sway tactics, and now in our pink sways with certain sway tactics. No matter what, we just don't ever seem to see anything better than 80% ever. So I theoretically imagine this to be maybe a "set" upper level for some of us where we may be coming into trying to conceive with a bar set that high. Do I KNOW this, no, and it is actually not a real number, it's just where I imagine the upper ceiling of swaying to be set. It's different for everyone anyway - maybe one person it's 60% or someone else it's 90% - it's just an IDEA, not a real number.

I use that number for illustrating how it is totally possible for people to have a successful sway, and still end up 50% likely to have a boy or a girl and then not have it go their way. If a couple is coming in very set for Gender A, and ends up equally likely to conceive Gender B, that is still an improvement.

When I TTC my 4th and especially my 5th I just wanted the same 50-50 shot everyone else had because I knew after 20 years and 3 and then 4 boys I wasn't coming into it with a 50-50 chance. So that number is just meant to represent an idea that some of us are more set for boys or girls, and we can still have a great sway and maybe only GET to 50-50, or 40-60, or 30-70, and then have our luck fail us. It's even possible to go 80-20 one way, end up 80-20 the OTHER way, and still get an opposite. It doesn't mean that you didn't sway and it doesn't mean that swaying doesn't work, just that it's not a guarantee.

[atomic sagebrush]

XX - I agree gaining too much is something that concerns me as well especially with the people who don't choose to exercise. But, lower limits of HE Diet are only 1800 cals (1500 is not enough since many pink swayers are losing O at that level) and I put into every plan not to gain more than 10-15 lbs for those underweight, 3-5 for most, even gaining no weight for many. Something I am already doing and not something we can change - it's already like that.

DTD every other day doesn't work. Many of the hubbies can't go that much and that is why I do not and will not ever recommend that as a blanket recommendation.

That sounds sort of defensive, not my intent at all, trying to explain that issue 1 is ALREADY recommended that way and issue 2 I have serious reasons based on observing lots of sways, to not do that. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

One more and then I'll await questions on any issue.

The boy sway rates on here have been heartbreaking and faith-shaking.


I do not want ANYONE to sway based on our sway stats. As I've said again and again, our stats are barely better than "for entertainment only". The reason you should sway is because it MAKES SENSE. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html The reason I came up with all this stuff is because the old school sway stuff wasn't working and the science was pointing in a different direction. IT wasn't because I had a bunch of women lab rats hidden in my garage doing this diet and getting a certain result. It was because based on studies and human/mammal biology, it made sense.

If it makes sense to you based on that, I think that's the way you should sway, stats be damned. If it makes more sense that people only get boys because they drink baking soda juice and eat iceberg lettuce and hamburger (despite the fact that none of us with all boys ever did either of those things) then do that. But the idea that anyone should use the stats on any site over the biology of the human body is a mistake. Because I can tell you, I can eliminate nearly all the sway opposites if I did things the way they do on "the other site" and refuse to post people who didn't sway "properly". We could be sitting at 80% right now because there is always something people didn't do "properly" to single out. Stats on Internet Websites are meaningless, what matters is biological reality and what we are doing with our blue sways, I believe in that with my whole heart and soul. If you doubt it, just go read the "how we got our boys and how we got our girls threads".

I don't care about being "right", I don't care about money (I make barely anything from blue sways, quite frankly, and I'd happily give that up for better results this past year if I could), I do this because I want you guys to get your DG. That is my ONLY motivation is that I want people to get their DG safely and sanely.

I am going to talk about some things we can maybe tweak in the future, but I really, really do not think this is anything other than bad luck, the fertility factor, and a few people whose husbands smoke a lot.

[Throwaway_panther]

One more and then I'll await questions on any issue.

The boy sway rates on here have been heartbreaking and faith-shaking.


I do not want ANYONE to sway based on our sway stats. As I've said again and again, our stats are barely better than "for entertainment only". The reason you should sway is because it MAKES SENSE. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html The reason I came up with all this stuff is because the old school sway stuff wasn't working and the science was pointing in a different direction. IT wasn't because I had a bunch of women lab rats hidden in my garage doing this diet and getting a certain result. It was because based on studies and human/mammal biology, it made sense.

If it makes sense to you based on that, I think that's the way you should sway, stats be damned. If it makes more sense that people only get boys because they drink baking soda juice and eat iceberg lettuce and hamburger (despite the fact that none of us with all boys ever did either of those things) then do that. But the idea that anyone should use the stats on any site over the biology of the human body is a mistake. Because I can tell you, I can eliminate nearly all the sway opposites if I did things the way they do on "the other site" and refuse to post people who didn't sway "properly". We could be sitting at 80% right now because there is always something people didn't do "properly" to single out. Stats on Internet Websites are meaningless, what matters is biological reality and what we are doing with our blue sways, I believe in that with my whole heart and soul. If you doubt it, just go read the "how we got our boys and how we got our girls threads".

I don't care about being "right", I don't care about money (I make barely anything from blue sways, quite frankly), I do this because I want you guys to get your DG. That is my ONLY motivation is that I want people to get their DG safely and sanely.

I am going to talk about some things we can maybe tweak in the future, but I really, really do not think this is anything other than bad luck, the fertility factor, and a few people whose husbands smoke a lot.
Since that was my quote, I want to reiterate here:

I say that based off of another scientifc reality, since I have a background pre-my career change as an editor days. Studies can be at odds. Until something is verified and validated, it's not a biological fact. That's where the faith shaking comes in, because while there were good results at the get go based on these studies, things started to turn -- and why thestudies are also not fool proof. I love the woman who raises rats on here's experimemts, because it's trying to replicate things on a smaller scale more than once. And while we are, at its core, doing that ourselves here, we're all still a small sample pool based off of other sample pools.

Now I don't deny the realities. I came on here pregnant with a girl and had a lifestyle (outside of my personality) that linked up to every study used to guide girl sways.

I think the issue comes to "it's never just one thing" AND the emphasis on maternal condition. You yourself have said it's not just one thing that makes or breaks a sway -- in the case of baby, only the weight gain was the maybe sway mistake, but then there are also so many obese women who get boys.

Then, re: maternal condition, there are many studies on men and what they conceive, and I don't think that's talked about enough either, which leads to a lot of internalized shame on the moms here and an unrightful feeling that it was all on them to sway. This is in addition to the smoking dads.

Now going broader: without naming names, but knowing what you know that differs from the publicly posted sways, where were the errors? That could inform this discussion better to know if alot of failed sways WERE all smoking dads, or everyone was actually working out more than they said, etc.

My own observations off of obsessive reading of blue sways on here: I think the calcium rec might be more mixed than previously thought. I also think old supplement recs like bee pollen and false unicorn root falling to the wayside have correlated with the lower success rates. But, again, a small blue sway pool does make it hard to determine.

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[Burakoam]

I cannot add in personal info for Baby but i can add in mine. And i want to do it to help better the results, but my fear is then being told "well then you shouldnt have tried to have another one because obviously it was this and this and this" So please keep that in mind in responding. I was desperate for a son, and i HAD to try. and i did, truly did, follow everything atomic said to do. if anything i felt bothersome at times because i was always checking with atomic to make sure something was okay. I went off carbs after not ovulating in april, may or june just like she said to and boom i ovulated in july. I did everything she told me to that was within my power to control

However there are things that were out of my control.

First here are the facts. I have 2 girls from a previous relationship, their father and the father to my current 2 youngest is not the same and they are not related (believe me i feel i need to mention that for some reason)

I had my tubes clipped after the birth of my first two, and had it reversed in order to give my new husband his own baby. However i wasnt ovulating anymore after the reversal. my cycle was clock work, 28 days, nice healthy flow lasting 3-4 days. And i still was not ovulating. Wether this is from having my tubes clipped from 2011-2014 is unknown, it could have also been an ADHD med i was on called Vyvanse that had drastically lowered my weight..i started it weighing almost 150 in February and by the time of my reversal in June the med had me weighing 105. When i started TTC that baby i initially refused to go off of the medicine. So it could have very well been the meds i literally NEED that was preventing me from conceiving her.

Husband and i have gone through fertility treatment together because of needing clomid to ovulate. I know that he was not supposed to relieve himself so the count would be accurate and that can lower a mans count. More miraculously we got his results back and his were actually considered high...this reason this was miraculous is he actually admitted he had released himself just before that appointment. His motility was great/normal and they reported no serious issues as far as morphology. Still to this day im not sure what that means for his spermies on a normal day because if they were high after release is it possible his count is TOO high and can that hinder conception? doesnt high sperm count actually sway boy though?

It ended up taking clomid to get me to ovulate but then i did the first clomid cycle and there was my sweet and beautiful angela.

This time i was very determined. I wanted to keep breastfeeding but it did worry me for my blue sway. I was breastfeeding until june, where she actually weaned herself...

So was it the fact i stopped breastfeeding or the sudden lack of carbs or both that made me finally ovulate on my own without the help of clomid this time? maybe we will never know.

Regardless there are important notes about me as a person and this 'sway' that need addressed

I do have something that is going on with me. The only med that has ever come close to working for me for my problems is an ADHD med. They have tried all sorts of anti depressants, and mood stabilizers. none of them worked and actually made me much much worse. I was happy and balanced on Vyvanse (which is why i was selfish and didint want to stop it at first just to get pregnant..however it should be noticed i stopped the vyvanse in december 2014 and conceived angela in January 2015)

That to me suggests something is wrong with my hormones in general though. Hormonal issues have been proven to sway pink, maybe even heavily pink. Ive had these issues since before i ever even got pregnant the first time so it isnt something brought on by pregnancy.

My husband was smoking the 'special' tabaco....thats what we'll call it anyhow... when i was swaying blue. I couldnt get him to stop, he really didnt believe in the swaying thing but did some things just to make me happy. He took all the supplements he was supposed to until June and then stopped without me knowing. By the time i figured it out i was already pregnant. I didnt think i had to check a grown mans vitamins you know? shame on me i guess...

However he always ate everything i ate. He never skipped meals and he was always snacking. he has done this since before i met him! he is a big guy so he needs his 3 meals, and he snacks between each and everyone of them. Seriously. And healthy things like Guacamole, which is derived from Avocados which are considered good for blue! He ate all varieties of eggs..scarmbled, soft boiled, hard boiled, over easy, sunny side up...big meat and big pasta eater. I didnt have to tell him to drink green tea or any of that because he actually already drinks it on his own.

All of that coupled with the high sperm count i just dont understand how in my situation it could be him. Unless smoking trumps all of those things.

However i should say, his sex drive is practically non existent. I had to initiate every time. Only one of the attempts was doggy, and the rest were with me on top..but plenty of boys are conceived with girl on top and he is by no means short and small in that area if you know what i mean..so penetration at time of ejaculation was NOT shallow and i assure you if i feel things correctly in that department right at my cervix, every single time regardless of position.


Here is where things get dicey. I NEED the medicine to function like a regular adult, but i cant take it when TTC or when breast feeding so i didnt go back on it after angela and i obviously wasnt going to ruin my sway by starting the med...but my energy levels on a normal day are complete shit. There are days i dont wanna get out of bed...i just dont have the energy. And this is not related to depression, this happens on perfectly happy days where i wake up in bliss even..despite the bliss i'll still say "i just dont wanna get out of bed..i am SO tired" I find it hard to complete tasks, i have zero motivation..my memory is trash, i constantly lose EVERYTHING...So when it came to excersise i did the bare minimum. I couldnt force myself to do more. and i was taking naps every day, twice a day, just to have the energy requirements to do the excersise and raise my kids.

I most likely have an issue absorbing vitamin D (per what 2 dentists told me about my teeth)
im always bordering anemic even when i am on iron in the form a prenatal for months

i highly suspect the common denominator in the equation between my first two and my last two is just simply me. Especially as my ex went on and had another girl but then had a boy with his wife. Why is it me? i dont know. the thought is more depressing than humbling. Everything i have said has long been suspect as to the reason i think its me and what that does to my self esteem is crush me. I changed everything about me and my life i could. I couldnt fix the other things. they are part of ME, they are at my core..they have been there for as long as i can remember..probably at least 12 when hormones are supposed to start regulating or somewhere along that age.

By all means other aspects of my personality would make me a great target for boy mom material. I am very head strong, i speak my mind, i tell it like it is...quite frankly and i dont find any shame in this description many people would label me as a 'b*tch'. I have always been way more boyish than girlie..in to video games and boy colors and activities...i can remember being a little girl and wanting hot wheels and tinkering tool sets that my parents would not buy me because i was a 'girl'.

Overall i am sure there are things i have posted that will make people say "well thats obviously why you have 4 girls" but the truth of the matter is a part of me still hopes despite all of that...that maybe my sway just failed, period. Maybe its just one of those situations where as atomic said i upped my odds but it just wasnt enough. Maybe i needed more time off the breast feeding, maybe it is something with hubby though by all means he SHOULD make great boy sway material except for maybe his weight...maybe i just needed more time than 4 months on the diet...maybe my half assed attempt at weight lifting and such just wasnt enough

seriously if someone can figure any of this out, spare me the pain of wondering. I could come to terms knowing it was me or knowing it was him..what makes it harder to deal with is not knowing. there is no acceptance if i dont know.

ETA: I did use blue friendly timing too, but i technically did with angela as well.. with angela i had sex the first night we got a positive OPK, the next morning, that night, and the next morning and afternoon. This time we were DTD every other day the week of O

[atomic sagebrush]

ok just real quick-

I chose to quote unattributed to allow anyone to bow out of conversation if they so chose to. Not trying to cut anyone out of the conversation (hopefully that was not how it came off.)

nowhere did I ever say that anyone in particular got an opposite because she gained weight. That's totally coming out of left field to me, I was responding to what XX posted and nothing more than that.

I have said a MILLION times it is an iceberg and the things we see are miniscule compared to what is below the surface. But I have to advise people on what they CAN do, not focus on the zillion things that are "under the water" if that makes sense. that part is my job. I love to speculate about the rest of it but honestly I think dwelling on that (especially for blue swayers) causes nothing but despair and an attitude of defeat/fatalism that may even sway pink.

Most husbands will not help. Again, this is something, just like unchangeable iceberg stuff, that is completely out of our control and again, I think we need to focus on what WE can control and not sit around worrying about what our hubbies are bringing to the table. This, again, causes people to feel so defeated and out of control over their universe that it would potentially undermine a blue sway anyway. Since we are the ones swaying, and people are telling me again and again and again (both pink and blue) that their husbands will not help at all, I skew my responses accordingly. I believe strongly it serves no one on here for me to sit around telling you guys all the reasons why it is impossible and focus instead on what we CAN do.

I am not trying to put you guys off here I'm going to go over the stuff that you're mentioning (short version - yeah, husbands smoking is a huge predictor of sways that are not gonna work out but at the same time, there are enough that do that I certainly cannot predict it down to the person or anyhing - even some of my pink swayers have hubbies that are smoking!!!) but I just did not have any more time today and my husband is actually getting quite annoyed with me LOL.

[atomic sagebrush]

You know, guys, please read Burk's post and THIS is why I really, really hate going over these things publicly. I so, so very much prefer to observe silently and then give my guidelines because going over them makes people feel bad about themselves and about their sways and angry at their husbands and circumstances beyond their control. It is not because I"m trying to dodge the issue or mislead, it's because it is impossible to go over it and over it in a dispassionate way without causing hurt feelings amongst the people who are the most vulnerable.

I just want you all to know that this is forced upon me and not by my choice. I completely believe in our sway tactics and I would LOVE nothing better than for all of you guys to get your desired genders.

B, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time and emotional energy to go over all that. NO ONE of us has a "perfect" sway and in the end, it comes down to luck and what was meant to be. :heart:

[Burakoam]

Atomic you didnt make me feel bad. I think it is in fact my pessimistic defeatist attitude that sways pink. I am pretty hopeless all of the time..nobody has to set me off. i set myself off. I want to shift the blame to my husband not because of you or anyone other than myself hoping its not me because i wanted a son SO badly and i wanted to give that to my husband SO badly that when i put much thought into the fact its very likely ME...its beyond devastating.

[Burakoam]

anyhow verdict is still out in my desperate denial i happen to have taken the test that has the highest error rate for NIPT's and is actually one of the ones that returned a non pregnant womans result as healthy baby girl as if there was fetal DNA when in fact there couldnt have been...

I'll be sure to 100% confirm my failure in about 11 days...heh.

[Throwaway_panther]

Re: swaying one way or the other with defeatist attitude or what not -- what's the logic there?

Is it based on competition raising T, whereas feeling powerless lowers it? But hasn't the mindset on T lowering changed on here? Haven't you said you're not sure if it even does sway one way or the other?

And I think the weight thing some of us have cited has come from your general comments on too much weight gain swaying pink. I know there's that whole thread on it somewhere, since I think I'm the last 5 comments lol

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[Pink Pony]

Hugs to you all xxx swaying is an emotional rollercoaster, we win some and we loose some. Its the risks we take, in the hope it pays off for our desired Gender. Some babies are just meant to be.

Its never comes down to one thing like Atomic says - my husband smokes like a chimney and drinks alcohol every night and we have 2 boys together and he has a boy from a previous relationship. He always had a very high sex drive, like as in every second or third day - I couldn't wait for AF to arrive so I could have a break ;). Now that he is much older (44) is almost doesn't exist, so I have to do the begging now to have sex, since I want a GIRL, hopefully this works in my favour soon.

[Burakoam]

Atomic- I think you will find this interesting and it would be more interesting if you or anyone else could find more information on if there is a link between women with low dopamine and infertility.. because obviously anything that would make you more infertile would also sway pink. This also reminded me that I had clear nipple discharge (and elevated prolactin) in November of 2014, 2 months before conceiving DD3. I know XX has a friend who suggested clomid for her high prolactin levels... could explain why clomid gave me my daughter when I wasn't getting pregnant otherwise. Also curious to know if a sudden drop in prolactin (the drop I surely had between June and July) was just enough to get me pregnant without clomid but at the same time be too much and interfere with my blue sway..

BRAIN HORMONE REGULATING FERTILITY IS DISCOVERED - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/1985/08/10/us/brain-hormone-regulating-fertility-is-discovered.html)

[Burakoam]

It also makes me wonder though if while on vyvanse and my body was finally "regulated" and my dopamine was doing its job if the reason I didn't actually conceive is because I WAS more prime for a boy but maternal condition not good enough to sustain and create a male pregnancy. Basically my body contradicted itself.

[baby2016baby]

My 2 pence. Worth nothing but will put it out here.

Unlike burk who can at least perhaps make some sense of her sway failing, I can't. This is my 2nd failed blue sway. My husband does not smoke, not do I and we never have. We started he about 8 weeks before we planned to sway. I had been on no contraception for months. My previous children were conceived first month, all 3. My last sway i only done maybe 65% of what I was supposed to the diet being the biggest challenge. Given I always hover around 27/28 bmi I am always trying to cut out. I never eat breakfast. Or take vitamins. I usually go 10/12 hours without eating anything then binge. It's because I'm very busy during the day. My weight has been constant for years. As soon as I started he properly this time round I gained weight. We had deceided to give it everything as it's our only hope. Ht is not an option for us. Eating breakfast/nuts/full fat dairy etc was a shock to my body. Prehaps if id gotten pregnant straight away it wouldn't have been an issue but by time I got my HPT we had done almost 6 months on he. As sods law would have it, it was our last month of trying before we took some time off to loose weight. i so wish i hadnt got pregnant. We did however keep up with all excercise and both have quite taught upper bodies doing the weights. We also used the leg part of rowing machine and i walk about 4 miles a day. If gaining weight is the issue, which has been suggested, then I can't understand why I know at least 5 obease/morbidly obease women who have had boys. We done everything we could, gelatine, coughs syrup, preseed, all the reccomended vits/sups. So while we know swaying is not an exact science, and there's always risk of an opposite, sure you can pin point some flaws in sways but there's also alot that are perfect. I wish i could pick holes as I think it would make my gd eaasier to cope with. if I'd known how I was going to feel I wouldn't have bothered with any more kids because this is torture, hindsight would be great but I never expected to feel a 100th as bad as I do, it's getting worse every day x

[ELP]

Need to word this right. I am a scan reader (by scan I mean hurry through not U/S) so have only half taken in what has already been written or what I have read over the years, but on the subject of weight gain for blue, I have been around for a long time in the blue section and have sometimes noticed people comment on their larger weight gain over the years, now I'm not sure if these people are very slim to begin with but as a pp mentioned it is a possibility that maybe they/we can take ourselves over a sweet point with any excessive weight gain, I think sometimes the basic message of increasing 'Nutrition and Condition' for blue gets lost in the 'Must keep constantly eating' thoughts that may get in to peoples heads. Again I mention that I only ever fly through messages so may have read things wrong sometimes. I am one of the grateful swayers who with the HE message of 'Nutrition and Condition' has got 3 successful blue sways at home and each time my weight went down slightly but my condition went up from flab to slightly more muscular. My three previous pink pregnancies (before I found swaying) were all conceived during a time when my body was going in to flab mode and steadily gaining weight and losing nutrition which I believe IS a pink option of couch potato, for another thread:)

So incase anybodies worried about needing to meet any massive calorie goals maybe just stick with the principle of just making sure that everything you do eat is worth eating even if it means not hitting any highest calorie goal, concentrate on the nutrition values of thing and the improving condition.


Just another quick note on my situation and the how swaying worked for me. I believe I am one of the lucky people to sit on the 50/50 start point for gender, quick background we had :biggirl2::bigboy::bigboy::biggirl2::bigboy: moved house from top of hill to lazy village and had no money, had :biggirl2::biggirl2::biggirl2: found swaying and learnt about HE, then had :bigboy::bigboy::bigboy: Thankyou AS xxx

[ELP]

baby I think your little lady just sneaked through:) I hope when she gets here you can instantly fall madly in love with her, I'm getting envious just picturing her:HH:

[Faithinpink]

Sending you huge hugs baby. Hope you are doing ok xx

[Throwaway_panther]

Need to word this right. I am a scan reader so have only half taken in what has already been written or what I have read over the years, but on the subject of weight gain for blue, I have been around for a long time in the blue section and have sometimes noticed people comment on their larger weight gain over the years, now I'm not sure if these people are very slim to begin with but as a pp mentioned it is a possibility that maybe they/we can take ourselves over a sweet point with any excessive weight gain, I think sometimes the basic message of increasing 'Nutrition and Condition' for blue gets lost in the 'Must keep constantly eating' thoughts that may get in to peoples heads. Again I mention that I only ever fly through messages so may have read things wrong sometimes. I am one of the grateful swayers who with the HE message of 'Nutrition and Condition' has got 3 successful blue sways at home and each time my weight went down slightly but my condition went up from flab to slightly more muscular. My three previous pink pregnancies (before I found swaying) were all conceived during a time when my body was going in to flab mode and steadily gaining weight and losing nutrition which I believe IS a pink option of couch potato, for another thread:)

So incase anybodies worried about needing to meet any massive calorie goals maybe just stick with the principle of just making sure that everything you do eat is worth eating even if it means not hitting any highest calorie goal, concentrate on the nutrition values of thing and the improving condition.


Just another quick note on my situation and the how swaying worked for me. I believe I am one of the lucky people to sit on the 50/50 start point for gender, quick background we had :biggirl2::bigboy::bigboy::biggirl2::bigboy: moved house from top of hill to lazy village and had no money, had :biggirl2::biggirl2::biggirl2: found swaying and learnt about HE, then had :bigboy::bigboy::bigboy: Thankyou AS xxx
There are so, SO many people with boys and ate admittedly like shit though. So many obese women with boys (and we could even make a statistical generalization that in the U.S., 2/3 ofcitizens are overweight, half of those being women -- the sex ratios of births aren't skewing, though the weight has impacts on pregnancy complications and c-sections).

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[Girlieplease]

Thinking of you baby and sending hugs! X o

[ELP]

There are so, SO many people with boys and ate admittedly like shit though. So many obese women with boys (and we could even make a statistical generalization that in the U.S., 2/3 ofcitizens are overweight, half of those being women -- the sex ratios of births aren't skewing, though the weight has impacts on pregnancy complications and c-sections).

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I have a small theory about this also! I did a survey of 1, yes 1 larger/obese boy mum at our school and asked if her extra weight was from savoury or sweet food and she was a savoury eater, obviously my statistic of 1 doesnt reveal much but its a start:bigsmile: But seriously I wonder if what made them obese empty sugars over meat pie and potatoes would show anything?
I also think theres something in the old sayings of 'More boys born after a good nut harvest' and 'Sugar and spice' the spice referred to at the time the rhyme came about would refer more to things like cinnamon and nutmeg? rather than today's chilli types?, so cakey spice's and sugar. So sweet weight over savoury weight? I will continue my survey stealthily at school;)

[Burakoam]

I know of two women who ate literal shit, not sweet, i guess savoury if thats what you wanna call it but id rather say a bunch of fast food like mcdonalds and BK and got boys.

On the flip side i know of my mom who at the time was below normal BMI because they were too poor to eat and she had two boys. They literally relied on my grandparents and great grandparents to eat. So in that condition she SHOULD have had girls but had two boys..funny enough as they started getting a bit better in life then she had me. However she also had a tubal after my brother, then had it reversed to have me. I dare say i think that DOES play a factor in why my babies have been girls after my reversal. Even though my tubes were completely clear and open per the doctor, no scar tissue etc..maybe just the surgery in the area itself screwed with fertility. It would be interesting to see how many women who have had reversals ended up baby gender wise.

[Throwaway_panther]

Yeah, on the flip side: My MIL was a lifelong vegetarian and underweight (she was a model), had 6 years of infertility with 6 failed IVFs... then surprise! Had my husband, and his 2 brothers -- all within 3 years, and while breastfeeding.

Atomic has said before that the "no sugar for boys" thing isn't necessarily a thing, and that artificial sweeteners still seem to bat for girl. She herself has been vocal about how she had at least one of her boys while drinking tons of Dr. Pepper!

That said, I do definitely have more of a sweet tooth than a savory tooth, and after a pregnancy where I practically had an aversion TO sweets (my go to snacks were nuts, cheese and eggs!), I've been nibbling on way more sugar. I might just nix them completely in fear here... though Halloween and Christmas are approaching *sigh*

[XXforhubby]

My Aunt had my cousin, a girl, from a failed tubal surgery (she said her tubes were tied and cauterized!). She is definitely suffers from s sweet tooth! She rarely snacks, but when she does it is with some sort of fruit candy, fruit pastry, or pie.

I on the other hand, used to be the savory type. I did eat fast food a lot with DS1. I ate my traditional healthy diet of veggies, nuts, eggs, and no sweets with DS2. DS3 resulted from a failed pink sway (I wouldn't change a thing [emoji4]). I ate chicken (not a lot- 2-4oz daily), veggies, little fruit, and no sweets.

There may be something to it! Either junky savory foods or healthy savory foods = more boys. Junky sweets or healthy sweets (I'm thinking of fruit here) = more girls. My grandma had 3 girls and miscarried a girl at 16 weeks. She either skips breakfast or lunch and has a major sweet tooth! Still does!



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[business.woman]

I had been crazy about sugar when I conceived my DD , I skipped breakfast every day , when I swayed , I first did a healthy diet with protein and no carbs , I lost a lot of weight, then I started to ttc and eat and snack every 2-3 hours , I was never hungry for 2 months ( the first month I was slightly swaying) I stopped the sugar of any sort or at anything and I over salted everything , like too much salt !! And I had my DS :)


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[Burakoam]

i just dont know. Soda for me yes....its a weakness. Lots of sugar in that. But until blue diet i hated juices, so i didnt get excess sugar there..i am not a big sweets eater...currently snacking on some mike and ikes but i just really freaking wanted them right now and im already pregnant so not sure it matters...but i was literally bored to death with my HE diet because i was so careful. i ate and drank the nastiest things to me..a few things i puked on like the healthy bread i needed..it was just so gross and only came frozen so i had to warm it up and it just felt soggy because of the mixture of cold and hot...yuck..thats all. I havent been a big chocolate eater in years...didnt eat many sandwhiches before blue and still kept them to a minimum...

i was only drinking a soda a day IF that when i conceived in july. i had been on only one soda since june. I talk a fair game of all these things it could have been to me but it definitely wasnt diet. I have been a literal couch potato since i was 16 though. Atomic and i did discuss if some women especially depending on how long they have been in a certain life style need a much longer time on diets to alter their bodies so to speak...maybe 4 months just wasnt enough to eradicate my life style of choice since 16-27

[Girlieplease]

I would say I was morbid obese when I conceived my two boys and a healthy weight on the low side when I conceived my dd. I had dieted for a year for my wedding and she was conceived a few weeks later. What I will say is that with all three pregnancies not this one I conceived first month trying. So with my boys even though I was obese my fertility was obviously high. Maybe been obese only sways pink if it reduces fertility. My ds 1 was conceived while I was breastfeeding dd and had an underactive thyroid, undiagnosed, two factors which make it difficult to conceive and yet first month trying bfp. Ds2, I was monitoring my cycles as we were planning to start trying for number 3 in a few months. I was not in my fertile period, we had sex once and I got pregnant. The major factor that changed for me from having a girl to having two boys was my weight and a thyriod problem. It will be interesting to see what the outcome is with baby four.

Listen am so not knowledgeable about what sways does not sway, so ignore my comments if it is silly or annoying. Just thought it was worth mentioning. There must be a reason why the results are poor for blue. If there is a reason hopefully there is a solution as well! X

[atomic sagebrush]

Re: swaying one way or the other with defeatist attitude or what not -- what's the logic there?

Is it based on competition raising T, whereas feeling powerless lowers it? But hasn't the mindset on T lowering changed on here? Haven't you said you're not sure if it even does sway one way or the other?

And I think the weight thing some of us have cited has come from your general comments on too much weight gain swaying pink. I know there's that whole thread on it somewhere, since I think I'm the last 5 comments lol

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Just because i have doubts about testosterone levels doesn't mean I don't think there are differences in personality between moms of many girls and moms of many boys.

The logic is that after talking to a lot of women, I find that the blue swayers tend to give up really easily, feel to blame for having girls and that there is something "wrong" with them that causes the gender makeup of their families,and despair greatly over things that they cannot control. It is generally a fatalistic attitude of being doomed without ever even trying. Whereas the pink swayers are very much the opposite and are complete control freaks. So a suggestion that I am somehow not putting enough emphasis on settings that we cannot control, and the husband's end of the equation, I believe that would be overall harmful to blue sways because they would only feel MORE defeated. I choose to focus on staying as positive and focused on what we CAN control for blue sways, rather than being a Negative Nelly and going on and on about settings and what our husband is doing or not doing wrong.

Re weight gain, you specifically gave a name of a person and made it seem like I was talking about a specific person. I was not talking about any one person, but just a general concern I have.

[atomic sagebrush]

Girls, this thread is going south in a big way. Not happy at all with the way it's going. It is NOT directed at a person, we are talking THEORETICALLY about blue sways and why they may succeed or not. I did not want anyone to have to come here and rake themselves and their sways over the coals.

This is precisely why I do not like opening this can of worms. There is no way out of it now.

Swaying will never ever ever have 100% success rate. It is entirely possible to have the best sway in the whole wide world and then have the cards not go your way. I have never said any differently.

[atomic sagebrush]

Since that was my quote, I want to reiterate here:

I say that based off of another scientifc reality, since I have a background pre-my career change as an editor days. Studies can be at odds. Until something is verified and validated, it's not a biological fact. That's where the faith shaking comes in, because while there were good results at the get go based on these studies, things started to turn -- and why thestudies are also not fool proof. I love the woman who raises rats on here's experimemts, because it's trying to replicate things on a smaller scale more than once. And while we are, at its core, doing that ourselves here, we're all still a small sample pool based off of other sample pools.

Now I don't deny the realities. I came on here pregnant with a girl and had a lifestyle (outside of my personality) that linked up to every study used to guide girl sways.

I think the issue comes to "it's never just one thing" AND the emphasis on maternal condition. You yourself have said it's not just one thing that makes or breaks a sway -- in the case of baby, only the weight gain was the maybe sway mistake, but then there are also so many obese women who get boys.

Then, re: maternal condition, there are many studies on men and what they conceive, and I don't think that's talked about enough either, which leads to a lot of internalized shame on the moms here and an unrightful feeling that it was all on them to sway. This is in addition to the smoking dads.

Now going broader: without naming names, but knowing what you know that differs from the publicly posted sways, where were the errors? That could inform this discussion better to know if alot of failed sways WERE all smoking dads, or everyone was actually working out more than they said, etc.

My own observations off of obsessive reading of blue sways on here: I think the calcium rec might be more mixed than previously thought. I also think old supplement recs like bee pollen and false unicorn root falling to the wayside have correlated with the lower success rates. But, again, a small blue sway pool does make it hard to determine.

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OK gonna type fast, if anything comes off sounding short it's in the interest of speed and not intentional.

Studies are bullshit to be sure, but when viewed through the lens of the fertility factor then they are pretty much all in agreement. (way more in agreement than studies in a lot of other arenas are) But we are not doing a study here. We are a group of people with a widely varying background who have all different biologies and life histories and I cannot force people to do things my way or even know really if what they said they did, they were doing, or whatever. (Update - one of the people involved in this thread lied point blank about several things in their sway and about several things I had said to them, I believe because they were angry their sway produced an opposite. I chose not to call them out on this at the time, but this is again one of the major stumbling blocks with our results on this site. We cannot control what people do in their sways nor can we know if what they say is what they even did. Because I want to be inclusive of all people this means I have to accept it when people who do not sway the way that I would have preferred even when I know darn well it will bring our results down and make swaying look less successful than it really is. This is particularly true of blue sways since we do have a smaller sample size, so even 3 or 4 sways that are less than ideal can really make a huge difference.)

This is not a study, and it is really, really, really a step in the wrong direction to ignore actual studies, biological reality, and good sense, in favor of our "statistics" which are barely better than for entertainment only.

Some of this I already replied to but again, I choose based on a lot of experience to focus on positivity and what we can control than telling people their situations are hopeless because of "settings" (entirely theoretical) and their husbands. We do what we can do to sway. And that's all we CAN do. Everyone can make boys and girls, no one is doomed, and you can sway without your husband's involvement. For some of us, IT IS ON US to sway. My husband would do nothing and if I had tried to make him do it, I would be divorced right now. If you aren't in that boat, you're lucky. :) It does not mean it's a flaw of the system that I take that into account, it means I am realistic about marriage, swaying, and human behavior. Some guys aren't going to sway. That's a fact. What can we do on our own? Let's do that. That's what we can change.

I'll go over the things that I believe contribute to sway opposites in another post.

Our first year, 2011, we had a disparate split between those who did HE Diet and those who still did IG/FGD. This post is in the Dream Members section. The results for IG/FGD swayers were frankly abysmal, with nearly all of them getting opposites. (this is exactly what I recall from when I was on Ingender from 2007-2010 and I can think of only one blue success amongst the gals I was chummy with and several opposites) HE results were phenominal that first year. Facts do not support calcium swaying pink and prenatals have been at 80% for years (virtually all have calcium in them). Oxford study found higher cal intake in blue moms than pink. I don't force anyone to eat dairy or not eat it or take calcium or not. That's up to each individual to decide, I think it's overwhelmingly one direction on that but not my call to make.

Since sodium is also part of the calcium idea, since pink swayers dropped sodium restriction our results have skyrocketed for pink. Sodium is not swaying blue no way no how. I saw people on IG getting girls filling up capsules of salt and swallowing them. The mineral balancing makes no sense but again, anyone who wants to, is always welcome to. Your sway your way. Most blue swayers are still eating gobs of salt anyway, I haven't been able to get them to give that part up unfortunately.

False unicorn root has been nearly driven to extinction in the wild and most of what is on the shelves today is an entirely different herb or blend of herbs from China and many of those Chinese herbs have been tested and found to be contaminated with heavy metals. Not safe, not effective. I got 4 boys without it and it makes no sense to imagine that we all need some herb that grows naturally only in Florida, USA, to get boys.

Bee pollen has been chemically analyzed and found to contain nothing other than a small amount of protein, fat, and B vitamins. It makes people feel revved up because of the B Vitamins, if you've ever drank a 5 hour energy it's the same kind of thing. Again, not something I have ever ingested to conceive 4 boys and of course most males ever conceived are to people who have never touched the stuff (or heard of it). People have died after taking the stuff and it really messes people's cycles up badly (and PLEASE keep in mind that with our pink swayers, a messed up cycle is happening with virtually all pink sways and it seems to be part of how pink swaying may work.). People took it on IG and still got opposites. Not a fan.

[atomic sagebrush]

It also makes me wonder though if while on vyvanse and my body was finally "regulated" and my dopamine was doing its job if the reason I didn't actually conceive is because I WAS more prime for a boy but maternal condition not good enough to sustain and create a male pregnancy. Basically my body contradicted itself.

These are the kinds of things that are fun (for me) to talk about but I honestly do not have any kind of data to say either way, and I feel that when we veer too far into the land of the hypothetical. I do think prolactin may have some role to play in swaying (as we know it does suppress fertility) but at the same time (as everyone is always eager to point out to me LOL) we know many people who did get boys while nursing.

Then I have people coming to me saying "I want to take such and such herb because of my prolactin levels" when we don't even know that prolactin sways, and if it does, if whatever herb/medication may possibly sway pink in some other way other than prolactin, yk??

[atomic sagebrush]

There are so, SO many people with boys and ate admittedly like shit though. So many obese women with boys (and we could even make a statistical generalization that in the U.S., 2/3 ofcitizens are overweight, half of those being women -- the sex ratios of births aren't skewing, though the weight has impacts on pregnancy complications and c-sections).

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I have had this question a lot in the Custom Forums, not sure if the explanation ever made it out here or not but here it is.

Short version: Define, "eat like shit."

Long version: One of the gals who asked me about this used Oreos as an example. She said "but I eat bad, I can have half a box of Oreos at one sitting." Do you know how many nutrients are in Oreos?? LOTS.

It is diet as a whole that matters. You absolutely can ingest massive amounts of nutrients in a SAD, just like you can eat very healthy and only get 1500 cals a day.

They are finding more and more that obesity has less do with the amount a person eats really and instead seems to be somehow correlated with hormones in the brain, (leptin and ghrelin among others) and possibly even the microorganisms in your guts. You guys probably remember the "biggest loser" study where some of those people were barely eating ANY calories and still gaining weight because their metabolisms had shifted so much. In the meantime they studied this tribe in Africa that exercised hard all day long hunting and gathering and found they were not burning any more calories than a couch potato. So I simply don't think we can draw any conclusions about who is obese and who isn't, and what kind of diet they ate.

I have seen this happen repeatedly that gals who are heavyset go on crash diets before getting pregnant. More times than I can even count (and long before I ever started doing this) so I think this plays a role too.

There is something across a population that maintains gender ratio at about 50-50. I have my theory about what this is (people stop ovulating when they get too thin and they stop ovulating when they get too heavy so it ends up being only those in the middle who are getting pregnant and/or people on the extremes may have less children on average than those in the middle), but fat or thin, first or third world countries, people have about 50-50 boys and girls. I believe that swaying works on a personal level but cannot be extrapolated across a population because of this averaging effect (fertility factor) and also makes it harder to see in a study as well, because if a chunk of thin people stop ovulating when they get too thin, and a chunk of heavy people stop ovulating due to PCOS, this eliminates the possibility for that kind of skewing in the population (this is kind of hard to explain and most people think it boring, I can expand if needed)

Otherwise the whole human race would have died out the first time there was a famine and everyone weighed 98 lbs.

[atomic sagebrush]

I know of two women who ate literal shit, not sweet, i guess savoury if thats what you wanna call it but id rather say a bunch of fast food like mcdonalds and BK and got boys.

On the flip side i know of my mom who at the time was below normal BMI because they were too poor to eat and she had two boys. They literally relied on my grandparents and great grandparents to eat. So in that condition she SHOULD have had girls but had two boys..funny enough as they started getting a bit better in life then she had me. However she also had a tubal after my brother, then had it reversed to have me. I dare say i think that DOES play a factor in why my babies have been girls after my reversal. Even though my tubes were completely clear and open per the doctor, no scar tissue etc..maybe just the surgery in the area itself screwed with fertility. It would be interesting to see how many women who have had reversals ended up baby gender wise.

Lots of people think fast food sways blue, it is tons of calories and fat. :)

I know a lady who was skeletally thin and had boys. Remember though, there are a lot of other things going on with people though (and of course luck). The lady I know is an absolute ballbuster LOL.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yeah, on the flip side: My MIL was a lifelong vegetarian and underweight (she was a model), had 6 years of infertility with 6 failed IVFs... then surprise! Had my husband, and his 2 brothers -- all within 3 years, and while breastfeeding.

Atomic has said before that the "no sugar for boys" thing isn't necessarily a thing, and that artificial sweeteners still seem to bat for girl. She herself has been vocal about how she had at least one of her boys while drinking tons of Dr. Pepper!

That said, I do definitely have more of a sweet tooth than a savory tooth, and after a pregnancy where I practically had an aversion TO sweets (my go to snacks were nuts, cheese and eggs!), I've been nibbling on way more sugar. I might just nix them completely in fear here... though Halloween and Christmas are approaching *sigh*

For some reason no one knows, models have more sons. I read a study on it somewhere. One theory is height or strong features (that may mean something, not sure)

:agree: Yeah I got a sweet tooth for sure. If anything I ate the least sweets with my daughter *but still ate sweets LOL* This gets confuddled though because of PCOS and PCO tendencies. I do see a lot of blue swayers on the "chocolate and diet coke" diet for girls - they skip breakfast, have candy and diet coke for lunch, and then whatever for dinner. :) So I suspect that this "avoid sugar for blue" idea has its basis in that type of eating pattern and not that sugar is swaying pink per se.

[atomic sagebrush]

My Aunt had my cousin, a girl, from a failed tubal surgery (she said her tubes were tied and cauterized!). She is definitely suffers from s sweet tooth! She rarely snacks, but when she does it is with some sort of fruit candy, fruit pastry, or pie.

I on the other hand, used to be the savory type. I did eat fast food a lot with DS1. I ate my traditional healthy diet of veggies, nuts, eggs, and no sweets with DS2. DS3 resulted from a failed pink sway (I wouldn't change a thing [emoji4]). I ate chicken (not a lot- 2-4oz daily), veggies, little fruit, and no sweets.

There may be something to it! Either junky savory foods or healthy savory foods = more boys. Junky sweets or healthy sweets (I'm thinking of fruit here) = more girls. My grandma had 3 girls and miscarried a girl at 16 weeks. She either skips breakfast or lunch and has a major sweet tooth! Still does!



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Here is the thing though. I just do not believe in magic foods. EVERY single one of those foods could be mixed around in such a way that may make boys or girls. Sweets or savory, there are just limitless combos of how people could eat them. That's why people can get girls on the Atkins diet and boys on a vegan diet, yk?? Eating not a lot and somewhat restrictive, vs. all day long and a lot of variety - much of of this comes down to patterns of eating and not food choices per se. If it was just foods, it would be so easy to pick out the trends.

Sally follows Atkins diet - egg and cheese for breakfast, salad and lunch meat for lunch, steak and asparagus for dinner, loses weight, has girl

Jane follows a vegan diet - fruit and cereal and soymilk breakfast, snack, pasta and fruit for lunch, snack, bean and cheese burrito for dinner, bedtime snack, gains weight or maintains, has boy

The foods themselves don't really sway (well the soy may sway a bit) it's nutrients and keeping blood sugar up - on the Atkins diet, your body has to burn all its stores of fats to keep blood sugar up, that's never a problem on vegan diet - there is just so much more going on here than foods, foods foods...

[dancingdiva88]

Thanks atomic for this thread. You are completely correct in saying no sway is 100%. While people may follow all the blue sway tips and tools to the finest point, there will people who still conceive girls (someone has to make up that 20-25%, not everyone gets to be in that 75-80%!!)
The funny thing about calcium is that I personally know a few ladies who love their calcium and ate it loads and had boys, they also had a bit of extra weight on them. So I'm with you on the calcium being a better boy sway than girl.

[atomic sagebrush]

my husband and I drank a GALLON of milk daily between us when we got DS 1 and 2. in between I became lactose intolerant but could still eat cheese and yogurt (which I did daily as I liked to have 4 oz of cheese for breakfast and yogurt and berries or cereal for a bedtime snack) and he still drank a gallon a day. With DS 3 and 4 both I was taking cal-mag supps too. It's just not something that I am able to buy into but hey totally up to each individual.

[Throwaway_panther]

@atomic: I think you're often misunderstanding my posts, and me mentioning baby was nowhere implying you were zeroing in on her, I think that's much more an inference on your part -- she herself had referenced the weight in another thread, and I only referenced your general opinion on weight gain and sways. Nothing I'm ever saying is an attack! I just take this all pretty seriously I guess since it's even a chance to get my desired boy, when before I thought it was just luck of the draw. And I have a big background in nutritional science, so that's why I come to the table with my own thoughts on the deck, if that makes sense. I also live with an engineer, so I've learned to be straight to it lol. I'm seeing more and more that I don't come off well to you because of it, and I'm definitely not trying to make you dislike me :/

The attitude being that blue swayers often give up makes more sense to me -- the "well I'll probably get a girl anyway." I've honestly wanted a boy even more after the studies knowing what I know now (and even your comment that I not go for 2 under 2 spurs me on, honestly), but Buro saying you've talked about longterm lifestyle makes me worry... but then ALSO my lifestyle has been anorexic, whereas recovering from that is supposed to be blue? And hypothyroid?! Lol

And eat like shit is a direct quote from some women in the "how we got our boys" thread lol! And very specifically I was referencing junk food/fast food/takeaway.

And I absolutely agree that herbs can't be that necessary since the sex ratio everywhere is so many other factors, but I wondered if the "really set for girls" swayers were getting blue from that extra edge? Hmm.

I ultimately hit home on the "it's not just us at work" but just because of HOW self-directed the failed swayers have sometimes been.

@Girlieplease, your post is honestly a joy to me. I have been being lowered in thyroid dose postpartum anyway since I was run so high, so I can only hope the autoimmune bit actually DOES sway for me this time. Along with hopefully fertility. Because even though my BMI was in the teens, I was actively starving myself and overexercising and I'd just come off BC, I also fell pregnant first try.

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[Throwaway_panther]

my husband and I drank a GALLON of milk daily between us when we got DS 1 and 2. in between I became lactose intolerant but could still eat cheese and yogurt (which I did daily as I liked to have 4 oz of cheese for breakfast and yogurt and berries or cereal for a bedtime snack) and he still drank a gallon a day. With DS 3 and 4 both I was taking cal-mag supps too. It's just not something that I am able to buy into but hey totally up to each individual.
I just remembered that my thyroid dose leeches calcium -_- I feel like I'm so much "Oh, I have that going for blue!" And stuff that also does that for pink... >_<

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[atomic sagebrush]

Will quickly hit the things I think have caused our sway opposites of late. Again, in 2011-2014 we got great results and have changed nothing, plus dramatically improved success rates for pink (which were terrible in 2011-2012) based on things that we observed from blue sways, so I really, really have a hard time believing that our sway tactics are swaying pink.

1)Bad Luck. It may have been, possibly, that we just had insanely good luck the first 3 years and that luck maybe ran out a little bit. We have so few blue swayers that an unlucky break or two makes a difference. Swaying is not a guarantee, unfortunately. We had a swayer our first year that had what I consider to be a quintessential, perfect, blue sway - her husband was on board and she had a classic "boy mom" personality, and still got an opposite. We don't know if it is really actually luck in and of itself or things that are just more "set" and harder to change for some than others or other cues from their environment that may have sent a "pink" signal, or some combo of them all. But we just can't expect 100% success rates even with perfect sways - if that were possible the whole human race would have died out a long time ago.

2) The fertility factor. Everything in the blue sway is meant to boost odds of conception. Despite this, we still have some people swaying blue, who take months to get pregnant. I do not know why this is. It doesn't make sense. It's a puzzle and the notion that this may be swaying somehow, seems to be proven true among pink swayers as well with the ladies who took months/years to get pregnant having overwhelmingly more girls even though by that point they have dropped practically everything and even done things to boost their fertility. I believe this to be the primary reason why we had a run of opposites last year, we had quite a few people in this boat. Even our successful blue swayers seem to take longer on average to conceive than pink swayers, despite doing everything to boost fertility. Please understand, I do not think that therefore anyone with fertility challenges shouldn't sway - in fact, you may HAVE to sway in order to get pregnant at all. But I do think that when we have a few people who aren't doing timing and aren't doing douches and are doing SMEP and aren't getting pregnant and then those same people (both pink and blue BTW) are then getting girls, there has to be something going on with that. Additionally a lot of these people cannot do the attempts in the fertile window and end up with one.

3)Husbands with health issues, low sex drive, and bad habits. We have husbands with lots of really severe health issues some of whom are on very strong medication, couples who have not had sex in 6 weeks or 6 months (my husband would divorce me if we went without sex for 6 days LOL), and husbands that are smoking hookahs every night and stuff like that. (we also have a couple pink swayers whose husbands had some REALLY bad habits like cocaine in one instance, who got girls even with less than ideal sways) Now, again, if you're in this boat and the idea of pestering hubby into oblivion does not appeal (right there with ya as my hubs would not sway either and if I had badgered him about it, there would have been NO baby) this does not mean you should not sway. You are still gonna be better off swaying than not swaying (and I know of at least two blue swayers even with this sitch - their husbands with very severe health issues and very low sex drive) but it may be that he is bringing something to the table that is just a little bit harder to overcome. Additionally many of these people cannot do the attempts in the fertile window and end up with just one or 2 (and one is often quite early and may not count)

4)People doing stuff that is less than ideal. It's a minority and much of it is encompassed by number 3 above - but enough so it is worthy of mention and consideration. It's the husbands that are smoking a lot, the ladies who just can't stay away from the cardio. This is what everyone focuses on and beats themselves up for but it's really been minimal most of the time. Many of our opposites have been in this subset of people though so it is worthy of mention.

Hubs smokes, drinks, on drugs, BMX biker, steroid abuse, etc
Wife can't stand diet, wants to exercise, does not like weight, goes on diet, vegan, etc
No one is getting much sleep/night shift
Still breastfeeding, too close a gap between babies (I find blue swayers often want to TTC very very soon after their last conception)
Chinese herbs or other dubious "supplements" like Fertile CM, arginine, tribulus, that may actually sway pink, either directly or inadvertently by preventing conception so long that people end up either gaining gobs of weight or giving up on diet.
Pregnicare or other prenatals with really high levels of some nutrients
Still doing high sodium intake
Still doing BSF/BSD
No calcium intake for months (this seems to coincide with the people who are taking forever to conceive, unfortunately)
Lesbian couples or those who need to conceive with at home IUI (5/5 girls, 3 of which are failed blue sways)
Excessive weight gain (underweight women please gain no more than 10-15 lbs, normal weight gain 3-5, others gain 1-3 or even nothing if you are already overweight)
No exercise (I think this one is fairly important as I see this in a lot of sway opposites)

I am not here to force anyone to do anything at all. People want to do these things, or have to, I am generally like "but I don't want you to" and they go ahead anyway. That is ok. Your sway, your way. I am not your boss, I am not the font of all earthly knowledge. All I can give you guys is the things I"ve observed for 8 years, including achieving successful sways for gals who had opposites with "old school" tactics, successful sways for people with 4 and 5 girls already, successful sways 3 times in a row, people who had successful sways for boys, then turned around and had success for pink, etc. It is all in line with the studies and "how we got our girls/boys" threads. It is in line with my own personal experience. Some people don't want to do that and that is ok. Your choice. I want everyone to post a sway and I don't want to play the game where we all tear each other apart.

5)Things we may actually have wrong. I do not believe that our sway tactics are on the wrong track. If they were, they would not coincide with what studies are finding and biological reality, they would not mesh up exactly with what IS working for pink swayers, they would not mesh with all the things that got us moms-of-many-boys, our many boys, and they would not have given great results for 2011-2014 and then given bad results in 2015 changing nothing whatsoever. But here are a few things that I have wondered if we have right. In brief:

EPO and high dose fish oil (I have already changed this in the Custom Plans giving much lower doses to most people)

Whole grain vs. white (but most blue swayers are eating very few grains because they are fattening so I find this highly implausible)

The BD pattern. This we did change (not really a change, but more of an emphasis) about the time we started getting worse results, but it makes very little sense that this would be swaying pink, since at the same time we changed the pink tactics to emulate the opposite of what we thought should sway blue, and our results went through the roof when we did. If one attempt is swaying so strongly and consistently pink, it really stretches belief that one attempt also sways blue. If in doubt, please have your husband just release on his own or with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days instead of actually having unprotected sex. I seriously, seriously doubt this is causing pink opposites because this is exactly the type of intercourse those of us who have all boys have (myself included) but if you are concerned, I guess this is something to change.

Probiotics. Maybe? I really think they sway blue, but maybe??

Preseed. Maybe again?? Some studies indicate sperm do worse in Preseed than in natural CM, but again we were doing this when our success rates were high.

Guanefesin. I guess? Hard to believe, and most blue swayers skip it anyway.

Coq10: pffff....leave it out if you like.

Things like arginine and carnitine for DH...most people aren't using them anyway. They raise T levels, can't imagine they possibly sway pink.

Anything we AREN'T using - like maca, tribulus, RJBP, etc - I got 4 boys without any of them as did everyone who TTC before 10-20 years ago, so it strains belief that they are somehow mandatory for getting a boy.

Maybe less than 12 weeks on diet?? But the problem is we were getting good results 2011-2014 without that, and that you'll end up gaining tons of weight if you do. Maybe something that some want to play around with, but be sure you're exercising.

All these things are miniscule. They're so tiny. They're nothing in the grand scheme. These are not the kinds of things that make or break sways. I got my boys without any of them. I just can't wrap my brain around a 180 degree turnaround in a year, based on any of these things. Smoking a hookah makes or breaks a sway. Being on antidepressants for 7 years makes or breaks a sway. Not taking maca does not. I will say again, I think our blue sway tactics are the best of the best, I think they're excelsior LOL, and I fully believe in them. Whatever is happening I believe to be a confluence of bad luck and the fertility factor and a handful of sways that were less than ideal (when you only have 20 people swaying, if 3 or 4 or 5 of them are not doing things quite right this adds up.)

Sooo....awaiting questions.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. I think there is misinterpreting going on and that is fine, not sure it's me, also fine. :) Being straight to it has a downside that when met with someone who is also straight to it, that it ends up ~seeming~ to be a conflict when it really is not so I'll just leave it at that.

I am simply explaining why I was responding in such a way as to differentiate my response from a personal attack on baby's sway, when in fact i was simply responding to XX's. I was not concerned with anyone other than baby's feelings there.

I was glad to have the opening to discuss the Oreo factor LOL. Glad to have it. Junk food still has tons and tons of nutrients in it.

All failed swayers are self-directed. That's how it goes. You're plagued with "coulda, woulda, shoulda" but 9 times out of ten, it's just bad luck, the other 9 times out of 10 it's something totally out of your control. I am just trying to express that the reason why I do things the way I do is largely out of a desire to see blue sways succeed instead of people just tossing up their hands and saying "that's it, I have no chance, may as well kill myself" NO, YOU DO have a chance. You can control what you can control. Let go of the rest. It's good advice for all swayers.

There is no extra edge from the herbs. There is messed up cycles and possibly higher chances of pink. One of the "compliance" related issues IS the herbs. So I'm not trying to be on the defensive regarding them, I'm trying to explain, after they were brought up, why it is that I do not recommend them. They prevent conception and mess with people's sways hugely. :)

[Burakoam]

Preseed for me has given me two girls. I didnt use too little, or too much. i found a sweet spot, and despite it conceived girls. Honestly on clomid i had LOADS of egg white fluid which is weird because it does tend to dry lots of other women up..so im going to say that maybe pre seed does sway more pink than some would like to admit. that should be considered.

Blue does work for upping fertility, i was pregnant the first month i ovulated even if it was the second month of trying.

I think my comment of a body being 'at war' with its natural 'habitat' so to speak is what causes blue OR pink swayers to suddenly stop getting pregnant as fast as maybe they had before. My hormones were regulated, perfect cycles etc...but i was so thin as well that despite the prenatals (and yes i was on those from june 2014 until NOW even, i never stopped taking them) but i am also a 'girl mom' at this point. I dont feel shame in saying that, i still think it sucks but...if im in blue condition it seems to take me longer to get pregnant. Could that be the PCOS? possibly.

the other things that should be looked at more IMO is sugars and insulin...you already have a good lead on that but i swear when i wasnt pregnant and TTC my DD3 i had so many tests done. My fasting glucose was literally at 99, and they would not even give me a 'high normal' they just gave me a normal though the cut off between abnormal and not in a non pregnant fasting woman is 100. I was borderline gestational diabetic with my first pregnancy, i was gestational diabetic in my last 2 pregnancies, and because i still have a blood kit i can tell you i already sit above the 120 after 2 hours after eating with THIS baby...and im only 14.5 Weeks. I am sure eating blue though the foods WERE rich in nutrients did not help me as i gained weight, increasing that insulin resistance, etc.

However that sucks, because i was aware of that before i started the blue sway and i swear i mentioned it as a possibility of needing scewed in my plan to make sure high sugars didnt lead me into girl territory. However when you read what i have written its hard to not suspect that has always been my issue.

[XXforhubby]

Ok. I think there is misinterpreting going on and that is fine, not sure it's me, also fine. :) Being straight to it has a downside that when met with someone who is also straight to it, that it ends up ~seeming~ to be a conflict when it really is not so I'll just leave it at that.

I am simply explaining why I was responding in such a way as to differentiate my response from a personal attack on baby's sway, when in fact i was simply responding to XX's. I was not concerned with anyone other than baby's feelings there.

I just want to reiterate that I did not reference anyone in my original post. I was simply speaking in generalities. If you read my post, I mention how empathetic I am to all of the opposites.

I'm done posting about this.



[emoji170]DS1[emoji1379], DS2[emoji602], DS3[emoji577][emoji170]
[emoji166]One last pink sway in 2016[emoji166]
My Ovulation Chart (https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/579920)

[Burakoam]

Okay I do want to stress though it could be taken offensively that in order to further push your blue sways as close to superior as you can get... to say 4-5-6 whatever people are skewing the results and it's not the sway itself...idk. 'Maybe there is something I did that caused the sway to fail but also it's just as well your sway wasn't a perfect fit for whatever it is that prevents me from making boys. Using myself as a reference...

I was going through my diary of ttc my third and I ate baked potatoes constantly, had meat by itself with onion cause I was craving it during my conception cycle etc.. I was pretty boy friendly with diet even then. Was on orenatals for 7 months before conceiving, I snacked on cereal even if I didn't eat it as often as I did on the actual HE diet.. However still pretty lazy despite being active with my job as a nurse. Lots of walking, running and lifting.. and all the stuff I have already mentioned. I could believe maybe I just have a lot of bad luck I guess but regardless even if I was more crazy about blue foods this time I still ate pretty Boyish before. In my case HE didn't work. Maybe the problem here is you are needing to personalize plans more to fit individuals instead of a group lump sum. While for a majority maybe all they need to do is eat more and more of the right things but what about the women who already live a pretty boy friendly diet life style, maybe not so much the excersise..who still get lots of girls? I think that factor needs explored and tailored and m the future

[Burakoam]

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This was my typical diet when ttc baby 3 which also resulted girl. From food diary I kept. Now granted I took clomid, but I had huge amounts of EWCM still which in the past I never had. Despite that however I used pre seed to boost odds of conception. Pre seed IS another common denominator in this failed sway where the clomid is not.

[atomic sagebrush]

Anyone who feels the need to post about this issue, I really urge you to hit me where it hurts. I do not like the implication that I am being dishonest or sneaky about this which seems to be being promoted behind my back. But when I reply to a question, I am going to give my honest opinion about that, because I guess I thought that was my job to do that.

Nutshell version of communication in a forum:

1) You say whatever
2) I answer
3)Followup question
4)I reply

So if 1) occurs, and then I respond to that, it is not because I"m trying to be a contrarian or argumentative or dismiss your point of view. I started this thread so I could talk about this stuff and anyone who did NOT want to talk about it could then bow out. I started it so people could bring stuff up they've been wondering about and then I could tell everyone (openly, honestly, directly) what my thought processes are about the various sway tactics, why I recommend
them, why I don't, why I do things the way that I do.

So, I ask your patience and tolerance for the imperfect method of communicating which is the Internet, that we all come to an agreement that what I want everyone to do is feel free to bring up whatever, but then at the same time, please expect that I will then give forth on my thoughts. Do not be surprised when I do this, and do not be surprised if I am possibly not in agreement.

BUT, all that having been said, please do respect the fact that I am doing this, instead of painting me out to be somehow dishonest or misleading people, and also please understand that an idea offered will be discussed by me. An open and honest person who does not want to hear other people's opinions would not open a thread to talk about this. No more sneaking around behind my back.

[atomic sagebrush]

I just want to reiterate that I did not reference anyone in my original post. I was simply speaking in generalities. If you read my post, I mention how empathetic I am to all of the opposites.

I'm done posting about this.



[emoji170]DS1[emoji1379], DS2[emoji602], DS3[emoji577][emoji170]
[emoji166]One last pink sway in 2016[emoji166]
My Ovulation Chart (https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/579920)

XX that was not directed at you!! I simply answered your question and someone suggested that I was talking about a person that they named by name!!! But I wasn't, I was just answering your concern!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Preseed for me has given me two girls. I didnt use too little, or too much. i found a sweet spot, and despite it conceived girls. Honestly on clomid i had LOADS of egg white fluid which is weird because it does tend to dry lots of other women up..so im going to say that maybe pre seed does sway more pink than some would like to admit. that should be considered.

Blue does work for upping fertility, i was pregnant the first month i ovulated even if it was the second month of trying.

I think my comment of a body being 'at war' with its natural 'habitat' so to speak is what causes blue OR pink swayers to suddenly stop getting pregnant as fast as maybe they had before. My hormones were regulated, perfect cycles etc...but i was so thin as well that despite the prenatals (and yes i was on those from june 2014 until NOW even, i never stopped taking them) but i am also a 'girl mom' at this point. I dont feel shame in saying that, i still think it sucks but...if im in blue condition it seems to take me longer to get pregnant. Could that be the PCOS? possibly.

the other things that should be looked at more IMO is sugars and insulin...you already have a good lead on that but i swear when i wasnt pregnant and TTC my DD3 i had so many tests done. My fasting glucose was literally at 99, and they would not even give me a 'high normal' they just gave me a normal though the cut off between abnormal and not in a non pregnant fasting woman is 100. I was borderline gestational diabetic with my first pregnancy, i was gestational diabetic in my last 2 pregnancies, and because i still have a blood kit i can tell you i already sit above the 120 after 2 hours after eating with THIS baby...and im only 14.5 Weeks. I am sure eating blue though the foods WERE rich in nutrients did not help me as i gained weight, increasing that insulin resistance, etc.

However that sucks, because i was aware of that before i started the blue sway and i swear i mentioned it as a possibility of needing scewed in my plan to make sure high sugars didnt lead me into girl territory. However when you read what i have written its hard to not suspect that has always been my issue.

Burkoam, I do my very best in your guys plans to give you the sways I think will work best for you. I tried really hard. I want everyone to succeed. I am simply not an oracle and I do not know what is going to work for everyone and what won't. All the data I have seen indicates that PCO and higher blood sugar sways blue.

[atomic sagebrush]

Okay I do want to stress though it could be taken offensively that in order to further push your blue sways as close to superior as you can get... to say 4-5-6 whatever people are skewing the results and it's not the sway itself...idk. 'Maybe there is something I did that caused the sway to fail but also it's just as well your sway wasn't a perfect fit for whatever it is that prevents me from making boys. Using myself as a reference...

I was going through my diary of ttc my third and I ate baked potatoes constantly, had meat by itself with onion cause I was craving it during my conception cycle etc.. I was pretty boy friendly with diet even then. Was on orenatals for 7 months before conceiving, I snacked on cereal even if I didn't eat it as often as I did on the actual HE diet.. However still pretty lazy despite being active with my job as a nurse. Lots of walking, running and lifting.. and all the stuff I have already mentioned. I could believe maybe I just have a lot of bad luck I guess but regardless even if I was more crazy about blue foods this time I still ate pretty Boyish before. In my case HE didn't work. Maybe the problem here is you are needing to personalize plans more to fit individuals instead of a group lump sum. While for a majority maybe all they need to do is eat more and more of the right things but what about the women who already live a pretty boy friendly diet life style, maybe not so much the excersise..who still get lots of girls? I think that factor needs explored and tailored and m the future

Yes, and that is why I really do not ever choose to talk about this. I prefer to make my observations and then change things if anything jumps out at me as really swaying the opposite direction. I do not want to, EVER, make anyone feel bad and I beyond NEVER like to go over people's sway opposites and say it's this or that. I have set up the whole "add your sway" forum to prevent that from happening. But I can't ignore those things either, I wouldn't be doing my job if I did, and when I can look back at the successful sways I've already talked about and nothing has really changed (including Preseed and having women with PCOS) then it leaves me at a loss.

If it had been up to me, I would not have started talking about this at all openly. I was asked the question, I responded to it to the best of my ability, openly and honestly and directly, skipping over nothing. have certainly been monitoring the blue sway results closely and in great detail and only talked about the whole thing when I was asked to. It was not a conversation I chose to have, but if I did have the conversation and I left out some of that stuff, that would be manipulative of ME. Does that make sense?? I don't want to leave out something that may be important. It isn't a personal affront on anyone, I know you swayed your heart out, you aren't even one of the people I'm thinking of. Those were people who were back in 2015 and not even on the site now.

[atomic sagebrush]

I believe that this is one of those things where no one is going to be happy with any honest answer that I can give. There is just no happy ending to this thread where I can say "aha this is it this is THE thing we are doing wrong and happy happy joy joy to all". It's because I would be lying if I did that. I think swaying works (and I think blue swaying may be naturally higher success than pink) but it isn't perfect, unfortunately. I could blow smoke up everyone's tushies and say "ok let's add in rasperry leaf tea and switch from green tea to black tea" or start having you guys worry about ions or moon phases or even start having everyone wear blue undies, and it might even make it look like something happened but I betcha it would be simply that our luck changed.

I think there's a confluence of events that has happened, I've already gone over them, in the process hurting people's feelings which is never my hope or intent, and I feel like when I attempt to address people's concerns people are taking that as arguments. Soooo. I have another post to add where I talk about some older posts, but maybe I'll just let that drop for a while till everyone's calmed down. :heart: to all.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sharing this everywhere the topic came up because I do think it is very important.

3 or 4 unlucky sways can make a 58% success rate into a 70% one. There was one off year and looking at the bigger picture our overall success rates over 5 years with a much larger sample size are 66%.

I thought it might be helpful to everyone to see the breakdown of our success rates for blue sways by year.

2011-2012 40 :DS: 22 :DD: - 62% success rate.

I have a further breakdown for 41 of these where I broke them down by IG/FGD vs. HE because HE was new then and we wanted to see if there was any difference - this thread is in the Dream Members section for anyone who wants to verify this.

41 total sways
15 opposites, 4 of which were HE, 11 of which were IG/FGD
26 success, 10 of which were IG, 16 of which were HE

If I had chosen to eliminate the IG sways I could have manipulated this data into a much higher success% for this two year period while improving our overall success rates for the site, but I choose not to do that.

2013 29 :DS: 7 :DD: - 80% success rate

2014 20 :DS: 8 :DD: - 71% success rate

2015 21 :DS: 15 :DD: 58% success rate

2016 So far 5 :DS: 5 :DD: 50% success rate.

Total success rates of the site:

172 total sways, 115 boys, 57 girls, success rate 66%

[atomic sagebrush]

Also, since the idea that "pink sways are getting worse results" has been claimed in this thread, I submit our pink results here. Simply not true. (I never said that either BTW, that had to be some kind of misunderstanding.) Our results for pink started bad, then thanks largely to things we learned from blue sways, have improved significantly. We are on the right track here. If it makes sense to you, regardless of a single bad year for blue sways that was well within the margin for error - a handful of unlucky sways can push something with a small sample size from 70% to 58% easily. It does not mean that swaying isn't working or we are doing something wrong.

Pink sway results:

2012-2012 67 :DD: 42 :DS: 61% success rate. There were a handful of people who never came back to update on their sways so assuming that those people ALL got opposites, this drops to 58% success.

(rainbowflower added these up for us here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/23945-gender-dreaming-pink-swaying-success-statistics.html if you would like to see this post.)

We were keeping such a good spreadsheet during this time, that like an idiot I did not keep straight up tallies with the add your sways, by the year for 2013 and 2014. When I have time I'll go thru the add your sways and break these down so everyone can see them and then I will tally them all up to demonstrate the overall success rates of the site over the past 5 years. Our success rates went up and down around 63-68% during this time on the spreadsheet and so I am assuming similar rates of success. (remember, not everyone who does an add your sway enters data into the spreadsheet and vice versa)

2015 59 :DD: 23 :DS: 72% success rate

2016 So far 30 :DD: 10 :DS: 75% success rate.

If you swayed recently and feel your sway is being left out of the above tally (success or opposite, we want all results) please let me know here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/54557-swayed-girl-2016-we-having.html

[Mamato3?]

Since I joined this site I have read almost every post about boy sways. Atomic has always mentioned that swaying is by no way a guarantee and that one should sway only if they can handle an opposite. I myself swayed beginning of 2015 gained a lot of weight cause it took me more than four months to get pregnant, so decided to stop ttc cause I couldn't handle my body weight. Lost 15 kilos in 3 months and then started ttc. Then gained 3 kilos on HE for 2 months and third month got pg with my beautiful sway opposite. Maybe I shouldn't have diated or maybe my dh smoking messed up my sway, who really knows...but my point is that swaying is not IVF/PGD and there's always the chance for an opposite. I decided to sway based on atomic's recommendations because a) my lifestyle when I concieved my first two girls was the girl sway recommendations down to every single one, b) the recommendations were not compromising my health (as opposed to IG recommendations) c) I had nothing to loose since my DH and I wanted a third child anyway, so might as well try a different way this time around.
I wanted to mention though, that I have talked to the midwives in the clinic where I gave birth to my dd and there is a percentage of 70% girls born since the beginning of 2016 there. Also at my prenatal yoga class we were 10 ladies and 8 of us were having girls....

[nuthinbutpink]

I think what all of this comes down to is we have a HUGE mindshare of data here- some you all see in the public forum and a lot you never see, in the private forum. We have tons of users that never post in the open forums.

So, we have OUR WAY of swaying. It is what we consider the best and what we think gives you the best odds of success. Unlike other sites that sell plans and diets, we are exposed- you have access to us in the forums. Nobody else has the courage to do that.

Of course people will not agree with our method of swaying! That's totally ok!! You don't have to agree with us! You have to understand that when we read about someone contradicting our swaying methodology, we struggle because we think you will fail and that's not what we want. We want everyone to get their DG. So, we will come off as defensive. We are. We truly stand behind our recommendations and if you think you have a better approach? That's fine but we have tons of data stating otherwise.

Swaying is not an exact science. We all know that. I do not want to have to constantly defend our approach. This is what we believe yields the best results.

It's a fine line for us to walk to see people type things that we believe lessen their chances and for us not to speak up. You can take that as defensive but we want you to succeed and we will continue us to speak up when we see information posted that we are fundamentally not behind.

Good luck to all.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much for wording that so much better than I was able to.

[Burakoam]

Im sorry to anyone who felt insulted or hurt with anything i have posted since finding out my sway probably failed. Honestly there is a SMALL chance, albeit there, that i have jumped the gun having found out some more info about the company and such since taking it...but ive prepared myself for the worst and that has led to a very bad attitude from me. of course everyone starts a sway knowing it could fail, and i still think most if not all never dream it will be their sway that fails. Failing when i feel i did everything i could has been core shattering to me. The entire sway i was confident it was going to get me a boy, i didnt actually struggle during the sway at all with wether i would get pregnant or have a son...a few days before my BFP i did have a time of feeling down that i wasnt going to be pregnant that month..it wasnt any concern over wether it would be a boy or a girl but i just felt very down about the probability of conceiving the first month trying and i was starting to gain weight at that point and so had decided if i didnt get pregnant id keep eating and lifting weights but put off active TTC for a while...well then i was pregnant.

There is no doubt for me that blue worked, to an extent, for me. It did exactly what it was supposed to. Its not a guaranteed pill for a boy, but seems pretty guaranteed to up your fertility. Well the fact i got pregnant with my first ovulation after breastfeeding would say my fertility WAS exactly where the blue diet wanted it to be. Its very possible this new daughter snuck through, its possible really just that im one of the statistics that failed the sway. Its also so disheartening to say that or type it out loud.

Really all this is..is an apology. Do i love her? Yes of course, and i knew i would IF the sway failed, i just didnt picture myself in this spot. Despite LOVING her i cant think of a name for her, my heart is still set on Jackson and like this is a boy. I am betting its genuinely an extreme case of denial. I didnt have this denial with my other 3 but i also saw their girl parts before knowing they were confirmed girls and none of them were my 'last'....i talked about PGD with my husband in 5-6 years or so if we could afford it but when i think with my head and not my heart i know 4 kids is already way too much for me and i want to eventually be done raising my kids..if i have one in my mid 30's i'll be into my 50's before they are raised. My husband is really in the same boat and says 4 is his limit and so when he talks about the PGD i know its because he could see how much my heart was set on it...and i dont want him to sacrifice any more for me.

Atomic i dont blame you. i dont blame your plan. It did exactly what you claimed it would do, other than the gender which is all on my husband and me. my heart is just so broken and it seems there is no cure for that.

[atomic sagebrush]

We do not even know what our results from 2016 will look like. Everything I am talking about has to do with 2015 when blue sways fell from 70-80% to 58%. This is not about anyone who swayed in 2016 because we do not even have results from 2016 yet. Burk, I think you had a fine sway and the cards didn't fall your way. :heart:

[nuthinbutpink]

I'm so sorry Burakoam. I so wish we could guarantee results with swaying. I wish you well and I hope your heart will heal. We should all be kinder to ourselves. We are all here for the same reason. We are all simply trying our best. We fight for each and every one of you and we want everyone to get their DG.

There is life beyond the baby phase. I can promise you that. Even though I got my son, I can see now with years behind me that we would be ok if I hadn't. The older my girls get, I see they really can do and be anything and we are having a good time. Gender is rarely brought up when your children are older. There is so much to look forward to. I know where you are right now, you cannot see this but I know you will get there. Big hugs to you!

[atomic sagebrush]

One other thing I wanted to add to this thread, I've talked about it elsewhere but it's the almond milk. When I went back and looked over some old sways from 2015-2016 I noticed that many of the opposites mentioned almond milk specifically and some of my custom plan people (who had not posted sways) who got opposites were also doing almond milk. I have added this info a few other places but from here on I'd go real light with the milk replacers or even skip them. If you can't bring yourself to eat/drink dairy that's fine, but please don't replace them with almond, rice, soy, coconut milk, etc.

[Jconger]

We do not even know what our results from 2016 will look like. Everything I am talking about has to do with 2015 when blue sways fell from 70-80% to 58%. This is not about anyone who swayed in 2016 because we do not even have results from 2016 yet. Burk, I think you had a fine sway and the cards didn't fall your way. :heart:

Do we have the results for 2016 yet? If so can you direct me where to find them [emoji4]


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[hopetoswaypink]

One other thing I wanted to add to this thread, I've talked about it elsewhere but it's the almond milk. When I went back and looked over some old sways from 2015-2016 I noticed that many of the opposites mentioned almond milk specifically and some of my custom plan people (who had not posted sways) who got opposites were also doing almond milk. I have added this info a few other places but from here on I'd go real light with the milk replacers or even skip them. If you can't bring yourself to eat/drink dairy that's fine, but please don't replace them with almond, rice, soy, coconut milk, etc.

I think almonds are high in omega 6, I'm eating loads of them and swaying pink

[atomic sagebrush]

Do we have the results for 2016 yet? If so can you direct me where to find them [emoji4]


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we ended up at 58% for that year http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/56749-blue-sways-numbers.html

Overall success rates of the site over the years for all blue sways are 66% - about 2/3

EVERY year of blue sways has been over 50-50
EVERY year of pink sways has been over 50-50

If swaying wasn't working and this all was a random crapshoot, we would not see these kind of consistently "correct" success rates.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think almonds are high in omega 6, I'm eating loads of them and swaying pink

Yep, I think this is mattering more than we knew 6 years ago.

Blue swayers, you need to keep your intake of vegetable based fats (and this includes EPO!!) to a lower % of your overall diet than animal based fats.

If you're a vegetarian or vegan and having a hard time with this please use coconut oil since it's saturated.

[hopetoswaypink]

Yep, I think this is mattering more than we knew 6 years ago.

Blue swayers, you need to keep your intake of vegetable based fats (and this includes EPO!!) to a lower % of your overall diet than animal based fats.

If you're a vegetarian or vegan and having a hard time with this please use coconut oil since it's saturated.

Does being vegan sway strongly pink? It makes sense that more girls would be born if there were no animals around to eat

[atomic sagebrush]

A good study showed that vegetarians do indeed have more girls than statistically expected. I am unaware of any study that has broken it down further to vegans.

As with everything in swaying this is somewhat complicated by the fact that vegetarians and vegans are usually very into healthy eating and take a lot of care to be eating a very balanced diet and are often taking nutrients and eating lots of fortified foods. Additionally a lot of vegans tend to have a bit more "boy mom" type personalities - they like planning and being in control of every morsel that enters their mouths.

[kat1234]

Yep, I think this is mattering more than we knew 6 years ago.

Blue swayers, you need to keep your intake of vegetable based fats (and this includes EPO!!) to a lower % of your overall diet than animal based fats.

If you're a vegetarian or vegan and having a hard time with this please use coconut oil since it's saturated.

I'm sorry for the stupid question!! But, what type fat is salad dressing, thousand island to be specific? I'm assuming peanuts are a vegetable fat?? I'm eating full fat milk/cheese/eggs and red meat (at least 6 days a week). But know I'm also getting fats from salad dressing (once a day) and peanuts. Swaying boy, but wouldn't be at all devastated with a girl or I wouldn't be trying for another baby ;)


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[atomic sagebrush]

You need to look on the label of whatever product you're using to be certain the type of oil that is in them, but most salad dressings will have vegetable or soybean oil (which is actually also considered veg. fat)

Peanuts and nuts are veg. fats

[atomic sagebrush]

That having been said - remember that nuts and peanuts are still good for blue (and I can assure you you can get boys with a massive nut intake - I did!) you just need to be sure you're getting more animal fats.

Example: Sally takes EPO, has flaxseed smoothies every day, cooks in olive oil and margarine, eats pumpkin seeds and walnuts every day, peanut butter a few days a week, drinks 3 glasses of almond milk a day, is a vegan with higher than average intake of soy foods - even if she takes fish oil still not going to get much animal-based fat

Janie is a vegetarian who doesn't take EPO or have flaxseed. She cooks sometimes with olive oil, sometimes with butter. Eats nuts daily and peanut butter a few times a week. Drinks full fat milk instead of almond milk. Eats cheese and eggs.
No soy foods. Takes fish oil. She's gonna be getting a good level of animal fats even tho vegetarian.

Kristin (hey, that's me) Non vegetarian, eats 1/2 c nuts every day and has peanut butter 2-3 times a week, definitely eats salad dressing and mayonnaise with veg. fats, but eats cheese, butter, full fat yogurt, full fat milk in tea and cereal, 4-6 eggs a week, and meat. She's gonna be getting a good level of animal fats even though not taking fish oil.

There is a lot of individual variance in diet but just laying these out to demonstrate that you can't get hung up on one particular food. it's the big picture.

[kat1234]

That having been said - remember that nuts and peanuts are still good for blue (and I can assure you you can get boys with a massive nut intake - I did!) you just need to be sure you're getting more animal fats.

Example: Sally takes EPO, has flaxseed smoothies every day, cooks in olive oil and margarine, eats pumpkin seeds and walnuts every day, peanut butter a few days a week, drinks 3 glasses of almond milk a day, is a vegan with higher than average intake of soy foods - even if she takes fish oil still not going to get much animal-based fat

Janie is a vegetarian who doesn't take EPO or have flaxseed. She cooks sometimes with olive oil, sometimes with butter. Eats nuts daily and peanut butter a few times a week. Drinks full fat milk instead of almond milk. Eats cheese and eggs.
No soy foods. Takes fish oil. She's gonna be getting a good level of animal fats even tho vegetarian.

Kristin (hey, that's me) Non vegetarian, eats 1/2 c nuts every day and has peanut butter 2-3 times a week, definitely eats salad dressing and mayonnaise with veg. fats, but eats cheese, butter, full fat yogurt, full fat milk in tea, 4-6 eggs a week, and meat. She's gonna be getting a good level of animal fats even though not taking fish oil.

There is a lot of individual variance in diet but just laying these out to demonstrate that you can't get hung up on one particular food. it's the big picture.

Perfect - thank you! I'm more like Kristin (since starting the sway).


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[Katie.Z]

Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

[MiaMelb]

Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

Hey Katie, I'm in the same boat and have also read that article on birth order over on IG aswell. For some reason I find it really hard to shake the idea of being behind the eight ball when I'm already very pink friendly as it is. Feels like pushing water up a hill. Interested to see her response.

[Jconger]

Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

This sounds like my story... exactly. We are pregnant now and praying this is our boy!


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[MsMarie89]

Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

I could have written exactly this! Anxious to see the response.

And, welcome!!

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[ELP]

Ladies, who was the article written by? Please don't let any article upset you, there is no laid out pattern to any of your families! The HE and LE diets are excellent at helping people get their desired gender:) Your previous children were letting nature take their course now you should look at it as your next baby being baby1 of you in control of things, stay positive ok:agree:

[MiaMelb]

What are the odds of having another boy or girl? : Ingender.com (http://www.ingender.com/Gender-info/Odds-of-having-another-boy-or-girl.aspx)

Thanks for the pep talk ELP. Above is the link to the article on IG that refers to chances of boy/girl against birth order. I'm not sure how reputable the original study that's mentioned is but it does suggest it's from a longitudinal study of 6000 American families. I'm also not sure how well the original study has been interpreted for this article. The article does suggest that there is always a (slightly) higher chance of having a boy irrespective of number or gender of previous children. The only exception to this appears to be after having 2 girls :confused::sad:.

I'm not an expert in statistics and would love any thoughts or insights that others may have. I totally believe in swaying but I get discouraged thinking how pink friendly I'm already starting and then statistics going against me aswell.

[Katie.Z]

Oh JConger, blue blue blue to you! Sending all the blue wishes your way, when do you find out?

[Katie.Z]

MsMarie and Mia, here to a little, er, here's to a lotta blue luck to us in the near future! Still trying to learn to navigate the site. Do you ladies get notifications when someone replies to your post or just check back?

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

Katie, let me point out that this entire brouhaha that spawned this thread was because one due date group on here comprised of THREE blue swayers, all got girls. (one of them had some complicating factors that may have swayed strongly pink, BTW) They happened to be active posters so their opposites got an undue level of attention while simultaneously we had other less-active posters having successful blue sways but they just didn't get the attention that the others did.

In 2017 we have had 3 blue sways so far and they were all successful. a 4th has had a very promising ultrasound at 19 weeks but is staying Team Green for now.

Our stats have been very good IMO. There is nothing to be discouraged about. 66% over the lifetime of the site, over 200 people. This is good results!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey Katie, I'm in the same boat and have also read that article on birth order over on IG aswell. For some reason I find it really hard to shake the idea of being behind the eight ball when I'm already very pink friendly as it is. Feels like pushing water up a hill. Interested to see her response.

But remember that article on birth order was NOT IN SWAYERS!! It was in people who were probably doing their normal thing (ya know, the stuff that had already gotten them 2 girls). It doesn't apply to us!

[atomic sagebrush]

It's a miniscule statistical variation. It's not major and remember all those people were not swaying, they were living their normal lives and proably doing one BD on O (which doesn't work and actually sways pink) trying to get a boy!

I think we have this nut cracked and had some bad luck last year. Other years ahve been 70-80% success for blue with same approach!! :bluecheer:

[Jconger]

Oh JConger, blue blue blue to you! Sending all the blue wishes your way, when do you find out?

Thank you! We are 16 weeks so should find out in a month. The thought raises my blood pressure and pulse lol. Trying to decide if we should find out or wait... it's so tough since I was disappointed hearing girl the last two times and this is most likely our last kiddo. I definitely don't want to be disappointed or cry again so I'm praying if we go green or find out! Thanks for being excited with us!

Thanks Atomic for this news! How exciting it's been 100% so far this year [emoji6]


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[Katie.Z]

Thanks so much Atomic, that's the answer I was hoping for. Both my husband and I are very active in terms of exercise, we eat a ton of protein and have healthy diets. However with DD1 we DTD only once during fertile period, and DD2 was a suprise also from only 1 attempt. Additionally my husband is a smoker and did have low T at one point. It's encouraging to see the things I could do differently in the future to get the boy, and husband is already on the patch to quit. Nice to know the stats we discussed (odds of getting the same gender) do not apply to Swayers. It makes perfect sense that if you do what you've always done, you get the same results (unless of course you're lucky).

[Katie.Z]

Jconger, I know the feeling all too well (crying over my girls). I think often about what I'll do the third time around, in terms of finding out gender or not until the big day. If you do decide to find out and want to share please do, or hopefully you'll want to shout it out to the world with happiness. :))

[Jconger]

Jconger, I know the feeling all too well (crying over my girls). I think often about what I'll do the third time around, in terms of finding out gender or not until the big day. If you do decide to find out and want to share please do, or hopefully you'll want to shout it out to the world with happiness. :))

Thanks girl! I will most definitely share on here if we find out. And yes I hope I'm screaming and shouting and crying tears of joy lol.


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[Jconger]

Thanks girl! I will most definitely share on here if we find out. And yes I hope I'm screaming and shouting and crying tears of joy lol.


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Well we found out and it's another girl [emoji24]


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[kat1234]

Jconger - I'm sorry! I'm swaying blue too and have 2 girls! I know you had your heart set on a boy, but I will tell you I know SO many families of 3 girls and they are just awesome. Especially when they get older and start having children of their own - they always seem so close and do stuff together all the time. How was your husbands reaction?

[atomic sagebrush]

Well we found out and it's another girl [emoji24]


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I added you to the data thread for 2017 - I am very sorry it didn't go your way.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks atomic for this thread. You are completely correct in saying no sway is 100%. While people may follow all the blue sway tips and tools to the finest point, there will people who still conceive girls (someone has to make up that 20-25%, not everyone gets to be in that 75-80%!!)
The funny thing about calcium is that I personally know a few ladies who love their calcium and ate it loads and had boys, they also had a bit of extra weight on them. So I'm with you on the calcium being a better boy sway than girl.

Update, she got a boy too

[atomic sagebrush]

Sharing this everywhere the topic came up because I do think it is very important.

3 or 4 unlucky sways can make a 58% success rate into a 70% one. There was one off year and looking at the bigger picture our overall success rates over 5 years with a much larger sample size are 66%.

I thought it might be helpful to everyone to see the breakdown of our success rates for blue sways by year.

2011-2012 40 :DS: 22 :DD: - 62% success rate.

I have a further breakdown for 41 of these where I broke them down by IG/FGD vs. HE because HE was new then and we wanted to see if there was any difference - this thread is in the Dream Members section for anyone who wants to verify this.

41 total sways
15 opposites, 4 of which were HE, 11 of which were IG/FGD
26 success, 10 of which were IG, 16 of which were HE

If I had chosen to eliminate the IG sways I could have manipulated this data into a much higher success% for this two year period while improving our overall success rates for the site, but I choose not to do that.

2013 29 :DS: 7 :DD: - 80% success rate

2014 20 :DS: 8 :DD: - 71% success rate

2015 21 :DS: 15 :DD: 58% success rate

2016 So far 5 :DS: 5 :DD: 50% success rate.

Total success rates of the site:

172 total sways, 115 boys, 57 girls, success rate 66%

UPDATE DEC 23, 2017

2017 19 :DS: 8 :DD: 70% success rate

199 total sways, 134 boys, 70 girls, 67% total success rate (just about the same as our pink sways have gotten over the course of time)

Blue sways are working. 2015 and 2016 were bad luck, small sample size, combined with a handful of people who did not or could not sway as effectively as one might have wanted for a variety of reasons.

Still would like everyone to stay away from EPO, milk replacers, and wheatgrass supps anyway even tho I do not believe that is why our results were better this year (since we were using them all in 2011-2014 when our results were also good)

[Mommyx2]

Hi, I am new to gender dreaming, although I have been following some threads and reading them very closely.

I am currently 4 weeks pg. DP and I have been trying to sway for a month or so before we DTD and conceived. Prior to DTD I was taking supps such as: multivitamin (one a day women's), 2000 mg folic acid, vit c, omega 3's fish oils, mucinex from AF to 3 days after O, and baking soda finger the day we DTD and two days after. DP was taking Zinc, omega 3 fish oil and men's one a day.
We used clear blue digital OPK I was tracking my BBT with FF. The day I got a peak (solid smiley), I also noticed my temp drop and O pains. We DTD that night and the following morning and one of those days we were successful in getting pg.

We have a very boy friendly diet. We eat a lot of fresh veggies, meat, potatoes and we both eat a banana for breakfast every morning. I actually had a steak dinner the night of the peak OPK with a glass of wine. DP works construction so is lifting heavy materials all day long.

That being said, I guess I'm just looking for advice as to what my chances of conceiving a baby boy are? I have a gorgeous 4.5 year old daughter already and we want one more of the opposite sex to complete our family! We have been looking into boy sways for about 6 months before we conceived. Do I have a chance of having a bundle of blue?

[atomic sagebrush]

Mommyx2, I'm going to answer this in the other thread you asked. I answer all questions and it makes it easier for me if you guys ask each question just once and then wait for me to get through them. Thank you!

[sgobert1718]

Hello! I’m new here and I will have to take clomid to get pregnant again. We are trying to sway for a boy. Can this be done still on clomid? Have been researching diets and what to do. I haven’t seen anyone mention trying to do this on clomid so I would love to find someone who’s had experience with this. I know clomid can give false OPKs so I’m assuming temp and charting would be best for me? Any advice would be great! This is last chance for a boy! Thanks so much


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes absolutely you can still sway on Clomid. Our good results for pink with Clomid are WITH pink sways. Doing a blue sway + Clomid will not undermine a blue sway.

Our sway diet is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/16806-high-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and while Clomid can cause false positivs on OPK it's only for 3 days after having taken it (and you won't ovulate during that time period). So you can still use OPK, just start them the 4th day after ditching the Clomid.

Clomid can make some weird temps too and many doctors will tell people not to bother temping on Clomid.

[asmi]

https://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Grass-Superfood-Alkalize-Organic/dp/B00OAV9QBY/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1CHHG7NNCEXCJ&keywords=alkalizing%2Bpowder&qid=1552535748&s=hpc&sprefix=Alkalizing%2B%2Chpc%2C197&sr=1-4&th=1

Can I use this when ttc a boy?

[atomic sagebrush]

https://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Grass-Superfood-Alkalize-Organic/dp/B00OAV9QBY/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1CHHG7NNCEXCJ&keywords=alkalizing%2Bpowder&qid=1552535748&s=hpc&sprefix=Alkalizing%2B%2Chpc%2C197&sr=1-4&th=1

Can I use this when ttc a boy?

No. It has a lot of ingredients in it that are harmful and some may sway pink.

[asmi]

Is this Fish oil and coconut oil supplement good for blue?
And can we use both together?


https://www.amazon.com/Omega-3-Alaskan-Triglyceride-Certified-Softgels/dp/B01BTBZWBU/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=KOSHER%2BFISH%2BOIL&qid=1552671026&s=gateway&sr=8-7&th=1



https://www.amazon.com/veggie-softgels-Coconuts-Supplement-Available-Veggie-Softgels/dp/B00JGE0Z1K/ref=sr_1_6?crid=2X3SW1A62VWWS&keywords=coconut+oil+supplement&qid=1552671218&s=gateway&sprefix=cocnut+oil+su%2Caps%2C184&sr=8-6

Please let me know.

Thank you

[atomic sagebrush]

Too much fish oil, I prefer 500 mg

There's no need to take coconut oil. You can use it to cook with but you don't need to take it as a supplement.

[atomic sagebrush]

Recently updated the "blue sways by the numbers" thread:

I thought it might be helpful to everyone to see the breakdown of our success rates by year.

2011-2012 40 :DS: 22 :DD: - 62% success rate.

I have a further breakdown for 41 of these where I broke them down by IG/FGD vs. HE because HE was new then and we wanted to see if there was any difference - this thread is in the Dream Members section for anyone who wants to verify this.

41 total sways
15 opposites, 4 of which were HE, 11 of which were IG/FGD
26 success, 10 of which were IG, 16 of which were HE

2013 29 :DS: 7 :DD: - 80% success rate

2014 20 :DS: 8 :DD: - 71% success rate

2015 21 :DS: 15 :DD: 58% success rate

2016 11 :DS: 8 :DD: 58% success rate.

2017 27 :DS: 11 :DD: 71 % success rate.

2018 so far 25 :DS: 11 :DD: 69% success rate

2019 1 :DS: 100% LOL (this will change over time of course)

Total success rates of the site (updated 4-30-19):

256 total sways, 174 boys, 82 girls, success rate 68%

please note - this is of 4/30/19) I'm not going to keep these up to date daily as sways come in, this is just a snapshot of a moment in time. But I am trying to keep them updated over time so check back often.

[asmi]

I have question regarding omega 3 and omega 6.

How important are they in boy sway compare to blood glucose levels?

I ovulated on April 27 and in 2ww right now.

I just noticed on my omega 3 fish oil supplement ( 1000mg) that the recommended serving in the bottle was 2 capsule and I missed that part and was taking 1 capsule every other day instead of 2.

Also I smacked a lot day and night on pumpkin seeds ( in my oatmeal , with my mango snack, 1 time in my smoothie with beef collagen powder)

I did eat red meat or chicken ( mostly red meat) twice a day every day.

And from first meal till bed time ate every 2-3 hours.

Ate avocado, banana, spinach in a smoothie, kiwi, coconut water, tomatoes, oatmeal ( water, raisins, pumpkin seeds or walnuts or almonds or pine nuts), dates, orange juice, pineapple juice, grapefruit juice almost every single day.

Now thinking about omega 3 is just making me very very nervous.

Please let me know what is more important - steady blood glucose levels by eating healthy every 2 -3 hours low omega 3 by not eating fish oil will fail the sway

[atomic sagebrush]

We honestly do not know. They have only just barely begun to study this stuff and I cannot tell you how much any one thing sways in comparison to another thing.

What I do know is that I have seen several opposites in people who were eating regularly (keeping blood sugar up) but were doing the milk replacers (loaded with Omega 6) and were not getting many animal fats.

My gut instinct is that it is probably fine, but if you wanted to wait a month that may be a good idea too. I just don't know and when I don't know, I have to put the decision back onto you guys.

[asmi]

Thanks for the reply.

Just keeping my hopes high.

I will get to know on May 10 if it's BFN or BFP.

I normally eat a lot of red meat (goat, lamb, and beef) and was eating it since last few months almost 3-4 times a week when I was not even swaying.

I was a huge ice cream eater too and have always used butter a lot as well, and eat eggs every weekend for breakfast.

Didn't eat ice cream since mid of March as was trying to maintain weight as well since I was already overweight.

I started HE diet mid of March where I did eat cereal with whole milk almost every day and finished 4 boxes of Raisin bran cereal but the last two weeks before ovulation I didn't eat any dairy as I was out of cereal and cannot drink milk by itself but didn't do any milk replacers.

So I am assuming since it was not like I never had high-fat dairy. My body should have fat from eating ice cream, cheese, milk almost every day and 4-5 weeks of not having those things shouldn't make a huge difference I hope.

I did have a lot of lambs, goat meat, ground beef, avocados, mangoes, banana, kiwi, oatmeal, tomatoes the week leading to ovulation.

I ovulated on April 27th and my diet leading to ovulation was as below.

April 20th- I had lamb stew with bread for lunch and Haleem ( mixed daal and lentils with beef) and 2 Shami Kabab ( lentil and beef)

April 22nd - Morning snack I had Almonds followed by oatmeal with dates, raisins, pumpkin seeds, and pinenuts for breakfast.
Mid-morning snack I had a smoothie ( Avocados, coconut water, beet greens, lemon, kiwi and 2 tbsp of beef collagen
Lunch I had 1/3 lb Angus Beef Burger ( Lettuce, Tomatoes, red onion, pickles and bun)
Mango with lemon and pine nuts and pumpkin seeds for a snack
For dinner, I had mixed lentil soup with shredded beef ( Haleem) and tomatoes with pineapple juice
bedtime snack I had a smoothie again ( banana, grapefruit juice, kiwi, spinach, pumpkin seed butter, and beef collagen)

April 23rd - same breakfast and snacks
Lunch - I had a salad ( tomatoes, cucumber, lettuce), spinach pie bites, potato cutlets, meat Turkish pie (ground beef) and chicken rolls.
Dinner - I had lamb curry made in tomatoes, ginger and garlic sauce with bread.

April 24th - same breakfast and snacks
Lunch I had beans with green pepper and pumpkin with ground beef and yogurt as an appetizer followed by lamb and chicken ****s with
afghani naan.
Dinner - Haleem ( lentil soup with beef )

April 25th- Same breakfast and snacks
Lunch I had 1/3 lb Angus Beef Burger ( Lettuce, Tomatoes, red onion, pickles and bun)
Dinner goat chops curry with fresh tomato sauce and bread.

April 26th - Same breakfast and snacks
I did eat 2 slices of cheese with olives before dinner
Lunch I had chicken ****s with baba ghanoush, salad, and bread
Dinner I had Shami Kabab ( lentil and beef) with tomatoes

April 27th - 2 scrambled eggs made in butter with tomatoes and spinach/whole grains with seeds toast for breakfast

Cheese with olives and crackers before breakfast.
Lunch- Shami kabab fried in butter ( lentil and beef ) with grilled tomatoes and zucchini
Dinner - Beefsteak, butter chicken, hummus, baba ghanoush and a small piece of pita bread with tomato and cucumber salad
mango, cantaloupe, and smoothies for snack

April 28th - oatmeal for breakfast and same snacks
Lunch - tortillas with chickpeas and potato curry and Nihari ( beef curry ) with naan
Dinner - Haleem ( lentils with beef)


I did eat cheese and yogurt after ovulation during my 2ww after ovulation.

I ovulated on April 27 and bd on April 20th evening, April 22nd evening, April 25th morning, April 27th morning and evening and April 29th morning.

What do you think of it?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think your diet looks beautiful, and with all that animal fat in your diet I am sure are on target for a great blue sway!

[asmi]

Does eating habit is the first few weeks of pregnancy matter in terms of gender?

or it doesn't matter what you are eating after ovulation?

[atomic sagebrush]

You need to continue the diet till BFP in case you do not get pregnant in a certain month. DO NOT stop diet at ovulation.

But gender is set at conception. Once you get a positive pregnancy test you can stop the diet but with blue swayers, you need to be sure you don't then dramatically restrict calories to prevent weight gain, or even lose weight!! Boys need more nutrients than girls from the moment of conception and you should not be dieting when pregnant.

[asmi]

Hi,
I got a BFN this cycle - I am thinking of having a break and then try again in August.
I would like to know if it is ok to loose some while weight eating boy friendly food and then try to maintain or gain few pounds in 6 weeks following the month in which I
ttc.

My plan is to loose some weight in May and June and then do strict 6 weeks sway diet in July ( 3 meal and 2 snacks) and ttc in mid of August ( most likely as per my cycle my fertile days will be August 7-14). So I can start my 6 weeks sway from June 24-August 14 and then continue the diet in 2ww.

This time I am planning to add more cereal with milk, eggs, cheese and yogurt and whole fruits and veggies in my diet instead of dried fruits and nuts which leads to unhealthy weight gain so I don't a lot of weight but get all the minerals and nutrition.

At both of my girls time I conceived at first attempt so I am wondering that may be the reason I didn’t conceive at first attempt this time is either my access weight gain as I am overweight or my body was not boy friendly and since I was maintaining my blood glucose level prior to ttc and in 2ww, girl sperms didn’t thrive ( which is good).

I am 33 and my husband is 43 ( will be 44 in August).

We had semen analysis prior to ttc and he had 67% motile sperms. Do you think we have a chance of conceiving a boy?

He is taking multivitamin, omega 3, L-carnitine, and vitamin D.( after the test was done).
He also takes Ashgwanda because of sleep issues.

I am thinking of starting vitamin c for him too as I read it increases the sperm motility.

Please let me know.

Thank you

[atomic sagebrush]

What is your weight now if you don't mind my asking?

Yes please drop fruit juice and dried fruit from your sway. Nuts are actually probably better than cereal. Cereal is quite carby and can contribute to weight gain, not saying you shouldn't have it (it's ok) but it certainly isn't anything to eat MORE of and is not better than nuts!

I think you have every chance of having a boy. I do want to know more before I decide if you should lose weight and if so how much.

[asmi]

Currently, I weigh 169 lbs at 5’2.

When I conceived my first daughter I was at normal BMI and when I conceived my second daughter I was 150 lbs.

Maybe I should add 2 days of cardio and 3 days of weight training exercises with 3 meals a day and add healthy snacks.

Breakfast - Egg with full-fat Greek yogurt or almonds/walnut
Lunch - salad or veggies with chicken or salmon
Dinner - Veggies with red meat ( tomatoes, green or red peppers, asparagus)

for snacks cheese with olives, 1 glass of milk, dark chocolate, celery with peanut butter

Please advise

Thank you

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. That makes sense to try and lose some weight. I do absolutely want you to add in cardio and weight training if you're not already.

Cut out dried fruit and fruit juice, go easy on potatoes and bananas (they do not sway blue, foods in and of themselves don't sway) and keep protein and healthy fat intake high while reducing carb intake.

[asmi]

Thanks

[asmi]

In order to lose weight while eating boy friendly food, below is an example of what I am thinking of doing.

Please let me know if it's ok.

Breakfast - Omelet with tomato and spinach ( fried in grass-fed butter)

Small snack - Grass fed whole milk Greek yogurt with berries

Lunch - canned salmon with salsa

Small snack - 2 oz of cheese with olives

Dinner - chicken or meat with beans or veggies or avocado ( twice a week)

I will keep my carbs under 50g while losing weight but protein and fat high.

1 glass of grass-fed whole milk before bedtime

2 days cardio - 30 mins

3 days weight - 30 mins

1-day rest

I am aiming to lose at least 20 lbs before getting into 6 weeks sway ( will add fruits kiwi, mango and orange 6 weeks before TTC).

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that looks great to me! I would even have you do more exercise but I understand that time is likely limited by kids and life! :)

[asmi]

Hi,

I would like to know if the following vitamin is ok to eat while trying to conceive a boy. Please let me know Thank you.

Which one is better?


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NSB4FPL/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A2OKL1APMG8NNW&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Maxi-Health-Two-Complete-Multivitamins/dp/B002CVTXXA/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=kosher+multivitamin+for+women&qid=1571429868&sr=8-9

https://www.amazon.com/Maxi-Health-Longevity-Multivitamins-Supplement/dp/B002PNBOO6/ref=sr_1_25?keywords=kosher+multivitamin+for+women&qid=1571429889&sr=8-25

[atomic sagebrush]

The Zahler (top link) is no good. It has massive doses of nutrients and some ingredients I don't know how it sways.

The Maxi Health (middle link and bottom link) are also no good. It has massive doses of nutrients and some ingredients we know to sway pink.

Can you find a supplement that has only 100% of all the nutrients, without any added herbal components or other things???