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atomic sagebrush
October 19th, 2016, 01:06 PM
Updated 12-17-17

Let’s talk about the “naughty” sway tactics. You know, the things you used to get in trouble for back in high school? :whip: A lot of them are great additions to a pink sway and are terrible for blue, and let’s take a closer look at why that is.

:beer: Alcohol: Regardless of what you’ve read on other sway sites, alcohol sways pink. We have the results to prove it. This doesn’t mean you can never have it when swaying blue - but remember, when swaying blue you need to eat smarter, not harder, (getting the most nutrients for the least amount of calories) and alcohol is not the most effective way to “spend” your calories.

The old school theory was that alcohol raises estrogen in women and this supposedly sways blue. They have some studies that seem to indicate that it does raise estrogen - but here’s the thing. Not only were most of these studies done in people who were either chronic alcoholics, menopausal, 9 years old (wish I was making this up), or men, the idea that estrogen sways blue has NEVER been proven anyway.

Not even close. The way this idea is promoted as fact by many sway sites makes us think it’s been tested thoroughly in a lab with blood tests done before conception and then compared to genders conceived, but it hasn’t. This is primarily the work of ONE researcher who has gone back and looked at studies done on other health issues like PCOS, thyroid issues, etc and with no other, more straightforward supporting evidence (such as actual blood tests) to back it up, declared that estrogen sways blue. He does this to prove his personal theory that timing sways gender, which as we all know has been totally debunked anyway.

It doesn’t mean it’s not true (that estrogen levels may be associated with more boys conceived) but we don’t KNOW that it is estrogen itself or higher estrogen as a result of diet, body fat, exercise, and so on. All women need a relatively high amount of estrogen just to get and stay pregnant and as many pink swayers have found, lowering estrogen levels through diet can delay or stop ovulation. Additionally, we don’t know that even if true, if this is naturally occurring estrogen levels vs. artificially altered ones.

Thus, it’s hard for me to believe that everyone who naturally conceives a girl without swaying has extremely low estrogen and everyone who naturally conceives a boy has sky high ones. In fact, we know this cannot be the case because we see very thin women with eating disorders that cause very low estrogen levels conceiving boys and some overweight women with high estrogen levels (because body fat makes estrogen) conceiving girls. We also don’t know that even if estrogen that you naturally make may sway, that then using herbs or alcohol or other methods of artificially inflating estrogen levels, would sway.

This is one of those cases where focusing on the theory gets in the way of the reality and can actually harm your sway. Alcohol also lowers blood sugar (particularly for women), can improve insulin response (particularly for women and even in people with type 2 diabetes), negatively affects your body’s ability to build muscle, and can help people who tend to be very anxious, to relax. Our results SHOW that it’s swaying pink for people and we have a lot of anecdotal evidence that backs that up. Heavy drinker/being drunk during conception sways pink? (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/6285-heavy-drinker-being-drunk-during-conception-sways-pink.html) Given all those things, to skip alcohol based on one researcher’s guess with NO good data to back it up, just seems silly to me.

How to use alcohol for PINK: 1-2 drinks a day whenever you’re in the mood. We do not know if it’s enough to use it only around ovulation, or if it needs to be X number of weeks in advance of the attempt. Hubby can also indulge if he’d like. Men can have more like 3-4 drinks a day if he likes. While we originally started off thinking that we should focus only on less nutritious drinks like light beer and white wine, all alcohols have gotten good results and I now believe you should have what you prefer. It may be slightly better to have this alcohol with a meal instead of between, but I seriously doubt that a drink while you’re making dinner, or one before bedtime, could make or break anyone’s sway.

How to use alcohol for BLUE: I would reserve alcohol for special occasions and Saturday nights LOL. It’s not the best way to “spend” your calories and may reduce your ability to build muscle to some extent. If you’ve gotten girls with yourself and/or DH drinking a lot of alcohol you may want to cut it out totally. Stick with dark or craft beers and red wine as these do have some additional nutrients in them that may help your sway a bit.

Warnings: If you have a history of overconsumption or liver problems, skip alcohol. If you’ve just lost a lot of weight quickly, you may find alcohol affects you more strongly than it did previously. Do not mix antihistamine and alcohol unless you are already used to doing this. If you have thyroid issues or are on other medications please consult your doctor before drinking. If you’re taking a lot of blood thinners (including cranberry, aspirin, saw palmetto, cinnamon, fish oil, EPO or flaxseed) please keep in mind that alcohol thins the blood significantly and if you notice increased bleeding and bruising, you will need to pick and choose the sway supplements you use with alcohol to reduce this side effect.

Note about breastfeeding - contrary to popular belief it is fine to have a drink or two when nursing all but the very smallest babies. If your baby is more than 6 months old it is fine to have 1 drink a day and if more than 9 months old, 2. (Although if your baby is very low weight or a preemie, is on medication or has health issues, I would still not do this.) Alcohol comes out in milk the same percentage as blood alcohol content and this is not anywhere near enough to get a baby drunk - you yourself would have died from alcohol poisoning long before the alcohol content of your milk would be enough to affect your baby. Do not drink when breastfeeding if you’re also taking blood thinning supplements - but then again I don’t want you breastfeeding when taking those ANYWAY!!! Do not mix antihistamines with alcohol when breastfeeding not only because they may affect your baby, but because the combination may make you overly drowsy and less able to care for your baby. If cosleeping I would not drink right before bedtime in case it makes you too sleepy and of course never ever ever mix alcohol with antihistamine!

:C: Coffee/Caffeine: Regardless of what you have read on other sway sites, coffee sways pink. We have the results, both statistically and anecdotally, to prove it. As for caffeine itself, we do not know if it sways or not. Thus we think it is best to stick with coffee and not tea or caffeine pills, since it may be a component of coffee and not caffeine. That having been said, we are not sure about using decaf coffee instead of full caffeine - if it IS something in caffeinated coffee that is swaying, you’re not helping your sway drinking decaf. Our results have been in caffeinated coffee and thus that is what is recommended.

The old-school theory was that caffeine causes calcium to leach from your bones and since calcium supposedly swayed pink, this would be a bad thing and thus coffee must be avoided at all costs. But this doesn’t add up for a number of reasons. First of all, even IF calcium sways pink, we do not know that it works by being stored in bones - it may be that the benefits are FROM having it floating around in your blood and being excreted...bone mass and gender conceived has never been studied directly and a lot of indirect evidence indicates women with higher bone mass may actually conceive more BOYS.

Secondly, we don’t even know that calcium in and of itself is swaying. The best study ever done on maternal preconception diet and gender of offspring showed more boys conceived in women with the highest calcium intake and many of us on here have gotten 2,3,4 or more boys while having tons of dairy and taking very high levels of calcium supplements as a part of failed pink sways.

And most importantly, the idea that caffeine or coffee causes calcium to leach from your body and contributes to osteoporosis has been debunked. The original study was found to be flawed - women who were drinking lots of coffee, tea, and soda were not drinking milk and had less healthy lifestyles overall and thus had lower bone mass as a result. And several follow up studies, including ones involving blood tests before and after drinking a variety of caffeinated beverages have proven unequivocally that caffeinated beverages do NOT cause calcium to leach from your body. Additionally, the best study ever done on maternal preconception diet and gender conceived showed NO difference in gender ratio with caffeine use (this study was not controlled for amount or type of caffeine, so we operate under the assumption that we need to have 2 or more servings of coffee daily in order to sway).

Faced with this evidence, some other sites have backed off this concept and now claim coffee should be avoided because of estrogen (very similar to the claims surrounding alcohol) but again, it’s subject to all the same concerns that alcohol is - remember, theories are only GUESSES really, and when our results are showing something is swaying (or not) even when it disagrees with the theory, it’s time to let go of the theory and just do what is working for people. Virtually all of the hypotheticals surrounding swaying are based on very poor evidence from one researcher trying to promote their own agenda.

SOMETHING in coffee seems to sway pink. We don’t know what it is (yet) but it may possibly be because coffee, like alcohol, has some effect on blood sugar and insulin response. Or, it may be some other thing entirely we have not yet guessed at. But the evidence is overwhelming both in our results and also anecdotally that caffeinated coffee is a good pink sway tactic and should be avoided for blue. (atomic editorial note - this was the very first thing I saw with “old-school” swaying that I knew could not be right because I knew so many people IRL with girls who drank tons of coffee and energy drinks, plus the people who were actively swaying were all “bass-ackwards” on this with the girl moms being coffee fanatics and the boy moms never drinking much of it. I rarely had ever drunk it when I was conceiving my boys, preferring tea instead)

How to use coffee for PINK: Use full caff coffee and have at least 2, preferably 3 cups a day. This effect may be dependent on intake, with light to moderate coffee drinking being neutral, heavier use swaying pink. Do not use decaf coffee or tea, these beverages may not have the same effect as caffeinated coffee and in the case of tea, may even sway blue. Do not use energy drinks as they are highly fortified with vitamins and minerals. Do not substitute caffeine pills, they may not have the same effect as caffeinated coffee. You can have coffee in the morning or between meals with cream or milk and this does not count as a meal. Avoid sugar, have only unsweetened or artificially sweetened coffee.

How to use coffee for BLUE: You probably don’t have to completely give up coffee. Just keep it to 1-2 cups a day, no more than that. (and this means CUPS, not extra tall triple shot espressos.) You may want to switch over to tea for all or part of your caffeine fix - something in tea seems to potentially sway blue. If you or your husband were using a lot of caffeine or coffee when you got your daughters, this may be something to change up. Some people believe that having their husband have some caffeine about 1-2 hours before attempts for blue may help you conceive a boy. Use this tactic with some caution since most people tend to BD right before bed and it inhibits sleep (and it’s never been proven to work anyway). A tired husband may not be able to fit in 3-5 attempts in the fertile window. It would possibly be a step in the wrong direction to do something never proven to help that may compromise his ability to have more than one attempt in the fertile window.

NOTE about energy drinks: Men should COMPLETELY give up energy drinks all together as this is one thing that we have anecdotally found to sway pink. Pink swayers, this does NOT mean that your husband should start drinking energy drinks, because they are very fortified. This is one of those things that just seems risky to me no matter who uses it.

:smoke: Tobacco: This sways pink when smoking is done by either partner. There are people out there who get boys while doing it, but there are also people who smoke their whole lives and never get lung cancer, either. Both studies https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11978342 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17517408 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16093298 (the more girls you have had, the more smoking may affect your chances of blue!!) While there are a couple of studies that seemed to find no link, our anecdotal experiences also show that smoking sways pink. The custom sway questionnaires both for pink and blue have this question in them, and there is a huge difference in the number of blue swayers who have one or both partners smoking (almost always DH) and the pink swayers who have one or both partners smoking. Additionally many of our blue swayers who got opposites were in couples where the husband was smoking either regular or “special tobacco” (more about that below.)

How to use smoking for pink: Women who are planning to become pregnant should not be smoking. Not only are you harming yourself, you are also harming your child, and the data is overwhelming - it is just not something you should be doing. Stop smoking as far before your planned time of conception as you possibly can. (In the interests of full disclosure, my mother smoked like a chimney when she was pregnant with me and for my whole entire life. While I’m obviously alive, I do suffer from severe allergies and was sick with respiratory and ear infections nearly constantly my whole childhood and even beyond - I still get severe ear infections at least once a year even as an adult, and doctors tell me it’s extremely unusual. And yippee, I was also just diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. So even when everything seems to work out ok, smoking can have repercussions that last a lifetime.)

For DH, if your husband smokes already, have him continue. (Of course, if you’ve been trying to get him to quit for years and he’s finally willing, please encourage that.) Do not have him increase the amount he smokes, though. I strongly suggest that he do this OUTSIDE the home and not indoors where you and your children will be exposed to secondhand smoke. Do not use licorice root or Sudafed if your husband smokes and I would also not give him calcium supplements as these may contribute to cardiovascular disease.

If your husband is just an occasional enjoyer of a rare cigar or pipe, great. I believe this to be the best, safest way to incorporate smoking as a part of a pink sway. This is the only thing my husband did any differently between our boys and our girl (aside from gaining weight) was that once he turned 40, he decided to start smoking pipes and cigars. It wasn’t a lot, and I suspect that in people who have never smoked much, an occasional cigar or pipe may affect them disproportionately more than someone who’s smoked a pack a day for 20 years.

How to use smoking for blue: DON’T. Under any circumstances. This is something I see repeatedly amongst my blue swayers who get opposites, is that their husbands were smoking. Even if he just “cuts back” it may still affect your sway negatively. If at all possible, have him quit as far in advance of your sway as is feasible. Many men won’t do this, unfortunately, and it is something that we have to accept. If you are in this boat, do not despair, you can still sway focusing on just what YOU can control, and be better off than if you were also eating a pink-friendly diet, but it is just something that seems so heavily associated with opposites that I would not be doing you guys right if I didn’t mention that. If he smokes regularly in the house I would try to see if a compromise could be arranged so you are not being exposed to the secondhand smoke.

NOTE about chewing tobacco and vaping - these probably sway pink, but I don’t have the data to back that up.

WARNING: Is this safe? No, of course not. But given that most smokers smoke a LOT more than the occasional pipe or cigar for many decades before incurring health issues from it, and also given that people on many sway sites are doing a lot of things that may be immediately harmful for their sway (that probably don’t even work) I find the risks to be extremely minimal for the amount of possible benefit. I believe occasional smoking to be safer than licorice root, Sudafed, extreme mineral balancing, baking soda/high sodium intake, and abuse of blood thinning supplements.

:smoke: Cannabis/Marijuana - aka Mary Jane, aka pot, aka special or wacky tobacc-y: This is a gray area because there’s not a ton of strong evidence that it sways pink (aside from anecdotally, although 2 reproductive endocrinologists in America and Australia that I have spoken with also believe it sways pink when used by husbands) , and a couple of animal studies I have only seen referenced and cannot find to read for myself allegedly say it sways blue (again, in animals only).

Additionally it is not legal everywhere. It’s legal where atomic lives so she (I) can safely recommend it to pink swayers’ husbands, but if it isn’t legal for you, PLEASE don’t take the risk. It isn’t proven at all and you can ruin your lives trying to include it.

This is for DH only as it is not proven safe for women preconception.

How to use Special T for pink: If hubby enjoys it now and then, let him have at it.

How to use Special T for blue: Don’t. This is something I see repeatedly amongst my blue swayers who get opposites, their husbands were using it.

:omg:Drugs, other recreational ones: Again, probably sway pink but no evidence to support that, and not worth the risk. Avoid for pink, avoid like the plague for blue.

ME MOM
October 19th, 2016, 02:31 PM
Atomic you are amazing, thank you for taking the time to write this! I'm sure it will be useful for many.

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Shannshaff
October 19th, 2016, 02:51 PM
Awesome information Atomic. Thank you for all of you research!

Pink Pony
October 19th, 2016, 04:40 PM
Thanks Atomic :)

foxtrotmama
October 19th, 2016, 05:33 PM
So let's say that my husband already drinks energy drinks... Should I stop hounding him to quit? :D

atomic sagebrush
October 19th, 2016, 05:38 PM
So let's say that my husband already drinks energy drinks... Should I stop hounding him to quit? :D

I would not be hounding him to quit LOL. I do think that they generally sway pink, it's just that they are also fortified so as a general rule they make me a little nervous for blue (especially just starting with them as the effects for pink may not kick in before the nutrients do).

My husband worked at a place where most of the guys were younger and all drank energy drinks by the truckload and at first he never drank them. We got DS 3 and 4 while all the rest of them were getting girl after girl (seriously, it was weird, 2 of the guys lived in our same small town and one had 3 daughters and the other had 2) Eventually he picked up the habit too and after that was when we got our girl.

sigrid86
October 20th, 2016, 03:48 AM
I'd love to drink lots of coffee but unfortunately I really don't like it :)
But I drink about half a liter diet coke a day. Would you say that's good for the caffeine or is it rather because of the aspartame?

atomic sagebrush
October 21st, 2016, 02:06 PM
I don't know that either actually works. Like I mentioned in the essay we don't know that it's caffeine or coffee itself. And as for aspartame, while I do include it (in sensible amounts) in sway plans I have witnessed people drinking truly insane amounts of it and still getting boys. So I do not think diet coke is a substitute for coffee.

Some people drink it, it may help, it's just that I don't have the belief in it like I do in the coffee.

dancingdiva88
October 22nd, 2016, 03:03 AM
Thanks atomic! Great info! What about sugar - lollies, chocolate etc does that sway pink or blue?

TtcBlue18
June 4th, 2017, 05:42 PM
How to use alcohol for BLUE: I would reserve alcohol for special occasions and Saturday nights LOL. It’s not the best way to “spend” your calories and may reduce your ability to build muscle to some extent. If you’ve gotten girls with yourself and/or DH drinking a lot of alcohol you may want to cut it out totally. Stick with dark or craft beers and red wine as these do have some additional nutrients in them that may help your sway a bit.

It sounds like alcohol consumption sways more when consumed by dw than by dh, or is this incorrect? Just wondering about this because neither dh or myself were big drinkers when we got our girls, and I still don't drink often (quit completely for my sway) but dh has been drinking a lot lately (the last 3 nights) and I know he will be drinking every night on our 4 day trip that's coming up. He doesn't seem to care that our first attempt is in just over a week. :(

I guess what I'm wondering is if his binge drinking is more likely to result in a girl or no pregnancy at all? Or is it really something that's more important for me to avoid than for him to avoid?

Also, I read that sperm are not released until approximately 73 days after "forming", does this mean his drinking now will not affect the sperm right away, but rather the sperm that will be released approximately 73 days from now?

atomic sagebrush
June 5th, 2017, 01:31 PM
Thanks atomic! Great info! What about sugar - lollies, chocolate etc does that sway pink or blue?

Oh sorry this one apparently sneaked past me! give me a bump if you don't hear from me on a thread within a week.

Foods in and of themselves don't sway.

Sugar now and then is ok for most people, anyone with moderate to severe PCO needs to watch it very closely or avoid totally.

Swaying blue, it's not the wisest way to spend calories as most sweets are high cal, low nutrient but if you're dying for some thing sweet now and then, it's ok to have. Do try to pick out the most nutrient dense option - like dark chocolate, or sugared almonds, that kind of thing

atomic sagebrush
June 5th, 2017, 01:44 PM
It sounds like alcohol consumption sways more when consumed by dw than by dh, or is this incorrect? Just wondering about this because neither dh or myself were big drinkers when we got our girls, and I still don't drink often (quit completely for my sway) but dh has been drinking a lot lately (the last 3 nights) and I know he will be drinking every night on our 4 day trip that's coming up. He doesn't seem to care that our first attempt is in just over a week. :(

I guess what I'm wondering is if his binge drinking is more likely to result in a girl or no pregnancy at all? Or is it really something that's more important for me to avoid than for him to avoid?

Also, I read that sperm are not released until approximately 73 days after "forming", does this mean his drinking now will not affect the sperm right away, but rather the sperm that will be released approximately 73 days from now?

We don't know if it's more important for one of you vs. the other.

Please don't worry about anything that happened for 3 days or 4 days, just do what you can. If you were totally sitting on the fence and this happened then I might skip a month, but if you feel good about it otherwise, I'd probably just proceed.

That's not how sperm form. They don't form one day 72 days ago and then hang out in little compartments for 2 months waiting their turn. The process starts and then it takes that long for the sperm to reach maturity. Anything that happens during that time can harm the sperm forming at any stage of development and they are sort of all mixed in together, there's definitely stratification by age but it's not day by day by day completely separate from each other. But understand that it's virtually impossible for ANY man to avoid all sperm harming things for that long! Just doesn't happen! All guys will have a drink over a weekend or take a hot bath or have a fever or the weather is hot or any number of things. So this is something not to overthink.

TtcBlue18
June 5th, 2017, 06:14 PM
So just to clarify, for my own piece of mind, I should try not to worry too much about my hubby binge drinking 4-5 days in a row leading up to our attempt? There are little things here and there that make me uneasy about the sway (all are to do with dh so I realize theres not much I can do) but looking at the over all picture, I feel great about what I've been doing, and he has made a few changes in the right direction as well. It just really upset me that he suddenly starts drinking more when were approaching the time.. I was already worried about his smoking :(

LMSM
June 5th, 2017, 10:10 PM
TTCblue , since you will be TTC in June you should join the June 2WW thread (Jaw Dropping June) :) lots of boy mums on there who are very kind and helpful (I find the blue swayer thread is less active unfortunately)

maximbella
June 6th, 2017, 05:44 AM
This is so interesting to me! I have always been a big coffee drinker (2-3 BIG cups a day) as well as DH (more like 3+ cups a day). We also always have a glass of red wine while we prep dinner together, and he is a big vodka/soda drinker and has at least 1-2 glasses every night.

atomic sagebrush
June 6th, 2017, 11:04 AM
^^^ and they have two girls

atomic sagebrush
June 6th, 2017, 11:09 AM
So just to clarify, for my own piece of mind, I should try not to worry too much about my hubby binge drinking 4-5 days in a row leading up to our attempt? There are little things here and there that make me uneasy about the sway (all are to do with dh so I realize theres not much I can do) but looking at the over all picture, I feel great about what I've been doing, and he has made a few changes in the right direction as well. It just really upset me that he suddenly starts drinking more when were approaching the time.. I was already worried about his smoking :(

Here is the thing. My crystal ball is in the shop this week (that darn thing!) and I can't say with any level of confidence if this is something to worry about or not. I know that many of our husbands have drunk a bit here and there and still gotten boys, and I doubt that it is a big deal at all, but the smoking is another thing on top of that. If you'll live 1000 lifetimes of regret if you TTC this month and get a girl, you may want to wait. If you can TTC and get a girl and not be kicking yourself from here till eternity then personally, I'd TTC sitting where you are (feeling good about my sway otherwise, and only the drinking) but I'm not you! :)

maximbella
June 6th, 2017, 11:18 AM
^^^ and they have two girls

Probably should have clarified that, sorry! :)

TtcBlue18
June 6th, 2017, 12:27 PM
If I wait out a month, won't his drinking still have the same effect (since the sperm take 70-some days to mature)? Would I have to wait out 2-3 months?

That's the thing, I'm more concerned about the smoking, but that one won't change. The drinking adds something on top of the smoking..

I guess my mental debate is because I don't know what the future holds. If I skip a month and he starts drinking even more..

Is it known whether or not there is a difference depending on how close to O he's drinking? For example, I feel like him binge drinking 4 days leading up to O is worse than if hes binge drinking 8 days during/around af. Or is drinking just drinking and it's all the same level of "girl sway"?

Sorry to ask so many questions. And thank you.

atomic sagebrush
June 6th, 2017, 01:38 PM
All sperm are not created equal LOL and it is probable (if not certain) that at some stages they are more prone to be harmed than others. Since we don't know when that is I think we have to at least assume that proximity to release with things that harm them may "count" more than 4 days in the middle with lots of good days before and lots of good days after. "harming" does not mean "all sperm dead" or anything like that. Men father children (boys too) doing things that are SOOOO much worse than 3-4 days of drinking.

Let's say the drinking harms the sperm that are about to be released and also ones barely formed. The ones barely formed have time for more subsequent, good batches to be made (since he's always making sperm) so yeah even though they may be harmed, there would be lots of other ones coming down the pike, and remember they aren't in little separate compartments day by day, they're just in various stages of development. Plus, they can have time to repair any damage.
Whereas with the ones that are about to be released, that's it, those are the ones that are done and made and gonna be released without any new backups coming along to help at least for a few days or so (hoping this makes sense)

You DON'T have to hold off forever because of ONE thing. It's always something. Like I said all of us who have boys, there was always something that happened in the 72 day window that potentially harmed sperm!

Yes there's always the possibiity that you hold off in one month and then proceed in a month that's even worse. I normally don't have people wait for anything short of act of God, but I do like you guys to ask yourself how you'll feel if you do get pregnant this month and it's an opposite - if you'll be really upset and filled with regret then better to wait, but you're totally right that you never know that future months won't even be worse. :/

TtcBlue18
June 6th, 2017, 05:04 PM
Okay thank you Atomic, I think I understand a little better now. So alcohol sways pink only because it reduces sperm count, but it's not more likely to kill off the Ys or anything like that, causing them to be outnumbered by the Xs? So it basically harms an even amount of X and Y at various stages of development.. and anything that reduces count is viewed as swaying pink. Am I following?

I think I will try to get some more blue swayers opinions whether or not they would go for it, but I think maybe I'm just being overly paranoid about this. Thank you for your explanation and for all your help!

Mommy2apples
June 6th, 2017, 06:29 PM
My stepdad drank every day of his life and fathered three boys :)


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Shannshaff
June 6th, 2017, 06:54 PM
My DH has a drink or 2 most days and has fathered 3 boys!

atomic sagebrush
June 7th, 2017, 07:05 PM
Okay thank you Atomic, I think I understand a little better now. So alcohol sways pink only because it reduces sperm count, but it's not more likely to kill off the Ys or anything like that, causing them to be outnumbered by the Xs? So it basically harms an even amount of X and Y at various stages of development.. and anything that reduces count is viewed as swaying pink. Am I following?

I think I will try to get some more blue swayers opinions whether or not they would go for it, but I think maybe I'm just being overly paranoid about this. Thank you for your explanation and for all your help!

Yes exactly. The original theory was that lower sperm numbers swayed pink and higher swayed blue and until that gets debunked we still treat it as a viable theory. BUT that having been said I am less convinced on alcohol than some other things (and people get boys with those things too!!)

TtcBlue18
June 8th, 2017, 06:24 AM
Thank you mommy and shann! So many people keep telling me all the good stuff I needed to hear :) Sure does restore my confidence in the sway.

rainbowflower
June 8th, 2017, 06:38 AM
The whole alcohol thing when ttc does worry me - I have watched several documentaries about fetal alcohol syndrome and whilst there are strong links to the birth defects when consuming high quantities of alcohol during first trimester, there were also genetic factors that might be triggered by lower quantities so *personally* I would never think it safe to drink alcohol in the 2ww and only AF-OV on cycles when youre attempting

atomic sagebrush
June 8th, 2017, 05:12 PM
And that's totally up to each individual to decide for themselves. I strongly urge everyone to do what they are comfortable with.

Greydore
June 9th, 2017, 08:17 PM
My husband I both drink, H drinks at least 1 daily. I was drinking a ton when I conceived my oldest (he wasn't planned). One thing I noticed was the study on bone mass. Atomic, do you think certain women with certain builds tend to have more sons or daughters? I'm thin but athletic; I have muscle without exercising. I'm probably big boned because I look emaciated when my weight drops below 130. I have two boys, so I don't know if that's connected at all.

Greydore
June 9th, 2017, 08:20 PM
The whole alcohol thing when ttc does worry me - I have watched several documentaries about fetal alcohol syndrome and whilst there are strong links to the birth defects when consuming high quantities of alcohol during first trimester, there were also genetic factors that might be triggered by lower quantities so *personally* I would never think it safe to drink alcohol in the 2ww and only AF-OV on cycles when youre attempting

For most European caucasians, occasional alcohol is fine during pregnancy. Asians and native Americans are much more sensitive to alcohol. Weeks 8-13 are when the fetus is most susceptible to alcohol. Bottom line is, we don't know what the magic number is so it's whatever you're comfortable with.

atomic sagebrush
June 9th, 2017, 09:25 PM
Yes, I do think women of different builds have different odds but remember, if that was actually a dealbreaker, we gals who are muscular naturally would not even have the genes to DO that!!

atomic sagebrush
June 9th, 2017, 09:33 PM
^^^ I'm trying to say...if athletic women couldn't make girls, then only super petite women would hand down their genes to future generations and athletic women wouldn't exist.

Greydore
June 10th, 2017, 06:16 AM
Ah, that makes sense. My mom has a muscular build, even more so than I do, and she had 3 biological girls (one adopted daughter as well). Clearly I wasn't thinking that one through :)

atomic sagebrush
December 17th, 2017, 05:24 PM
updated this!

Throwaway_panther
March 29th, 2018, 02:25 PM
I know this an older thread, but does anyone have observations on CBD? It's derived from cannabis, but doesn't have THC and is often taken orally. People swear by it for anti inflammatory properties and sayit helps woth anxiety, depression, sleep, etc.

atomic sagebrush
March 30th, 2018, 11:31 AM
I haven't had any reports of people using it. I wish we had more REAL info about how this all works because as it is now, the theories have not held water in the harsh light of day and I hesitate to sign off on anything that I haven't witnessed firsthand several people trying and getting boys/girls using it.

Maureenhdez
October 21st, 2018, 06:06 PM
I was just reading this post written in 2016 (I think) about coffee. Is this still accurate that caffeinated coffee tends to sway pink? I’ve never been much of a coffee drinker as the caffeine makes me quite jittery. But wondering if I should add 2 cups a day from AF-O for the month I ttc? Have you seen any increase in successful pink sways with decaf coffee?

I know a good number of boy moms who were addicted to caffeinated coffee. But since I have never been a coffee drinker in the past when I conceived my boys, I’m wondering if adding this diet change could possibly help my sway?


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atomic sagebrush
October 22nd, 2018, 04:32 PM
Yes I updated this post at the start of this year so it's current.

You don't need to do 2 cups, one is fine. Anything more than what you were doing.

You can't go off and on coffee like that - you'll get wicked headaches and we don't know how it works anyway - you may need to be on it for an extended period. I would have you either do it or not. If you prefer decaf, it very well may work, I just think caff coffee is "safest" since we don't know what element of coffee is swaying. But yes people have drank decaf and I know it's worked for at least one person (XX for hubby)

None of these things are magic bullets - you can always find people who don't fit the mold. But coffee was one of the first things I wondered about (because they say it sways blue on other sites) and literally everyone I knew IRL and on the swaying site who was a total coffee addict had girls! It was one thing I changed betwwen my boys and my girl - dropped tea, went to coffee only with her. :)

Maureenhdez
October 23rd, 2018, 03:27 PM
Thank you AS! [emoji4] Since I’ve never done it in the past, maybe it won’t hurt to add it (coffee once a day) in to my sway. I am ttc in November, so just a few weeks away, so nervous.

I was trying to think back when my second son was conceived (about 9 years ago; my first son is almost 13, there’s no way I remember my diet that long ago [emoji23] ). It was quite a long time ago, but I do remember a few things about my diet. I definitely ate more calories, fat and protein. Ate red meat about 3x a week and chicken 4-5x a week, lots of dairy, carbs, sweets. Lots of snacking in between meals.

With this diet, I have stayed within the limits (with a few cheat days), no red meat, no snacking. But I’m still eating lots of carbs and sweets, chicken once a day and dairy about once a day (less than I used to). My question is, being that the LE diet is mostly carbs and sweets, and some chicken, is this still a good sway, since I also ate lots of chicken, carbs and sweets with my second son? I’m getting a little more nervous as my ttc day approaches, and feeling a little overwhelmed [emoji29]


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atomic sagebrush
October 23rd, 2018, 05:39 PM
Keep in mind that most people don't even think they've eaten any different diet betwen their boys and girls. The differences are overall pretty subtle and really are not so much about different foods, but less food overall and different eating patterns. So it's totally to be expected you'd have a lot of similarity between what you ate with your boys and hopefully a girl.

If you're within the limits (except a couple cheats here and there) then that is all you need to do.

Maureenhdez
October 23rd, 2018, 09:16 PM
Thank you! This really helps to put my mind at ease. [emoji4] I really thought I would be super hungry on the LE diet, but there are most days when I feel stuffed, but have stayed within the limits for the day. I’ve just eaten different foods that don’t seem to have the high amounts of fat and protein like I used to, and need to find foods at the end of my day to meet my 1500-1800 calorie need. This diet has also helped with some canker sores in my mouth that I seemed to be getting for a few months before starting the diet. But since being on the LE diet, they have disappeared! Thank you so much for your replies! You are a wealth of information! [emoji4]


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atomic sagebrush
October 24th, 2018, 02:22 PM
It's meant to be an easy diet to stick to! I was always pretty happy on LE Diet (although I missed hamburgers at the end of it LOL)