E4 Days Question

[Wantanother2017]

Pardon me if this is obvious, next month will be my 3rd month TTC. I really, really want to get pregnant next month due to it being my dream due date for several reasons.
I'm considering trying E4 days for this month only. How is this achieved, as in what day do you start the E4 days? And for how long does this pattern continue?

[atomic sagebrush]

Start the e4d after AF ends and just keep going thru til when you're sure you have ovulated (even if this means going all the way thru till AF comes again!)

Most people will count like this: O-3 (attempt) O-2, O-1, O Day (attempt) Monday (attempt) T, W, Th (attempt)

OR, you can stretch this out a day and do O-4 (attempt) O-3, O-2, O-1, ODay (attempt) or Mon. (attempt) T, W, Th, F (attempt)

Please note I am just using those days as illustration, you can end up DTD on different days depending on when you start, just showing you how the pattern works.

If you are really in a hurry to get pregnant you may want to do e4d and then toss in another attempt at positive OPK

[Wantanother2017]

just to clarify, when you say "attempt on O day," do you mean the day you ovulate or the day you get positive opk? Because I've been having trouble deciding exactly when I ovulated. The temps have risen later then I thought they should and the EWCM wasn't adding up....

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not telling you to attempt on O day. I am using that as an example to show how the days of attempts would work out. You would end up having attempt on a different day possiby, even likely, depending on when you start your attempts. doing e4d, you start your attempts after AF ends and then just do that pattern regardless of how it shakes out. We aren't trying to end up with having an attempt on a certain day with with e4d, we are just trying to be in with regular attempts and then end up having one attempt in fertile window just by chance.

It doesn't seem like this can improve odds of conception over one attempt at positive, but it does. This is because a lot of times people O sooner or later than they realize even with the pos OPK method (they are the best tech we have, but they ar e not terribly reliable anyway.) It's just an easier way of having one attempt in fertile window.

[CoralRoses]

The E4D method is what I did to conceive my girl :) good luck x

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[maximbella]

Atomic, is doing E3D and then additional attempt at positive OPK going into blue territory? Or does it need to be E4D for pink?

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, is doing E3D and then additional attempt at positive OPK going into blue territory? Or does it need to be E4D for pink?

It may be a little, but sometimes people have to decide "would I rather be in with lower chances of pink but better odds of conception??"

I rarely, rarely ever use e3d plus one for this reason. I prefer very, very few people ever do that as I think it sways blue and if people are that ready to sway blue in order to conceive, they may as well do SMEP. HOWEVER I have used it a handful of times with people who I thought might be better off doing that instead of SMEP. In your unique situation, I don't think it is a terrible idea, altho I'd personally prob. stick with e4d plus one instead.

[Mommy2apples]

So if your AF ended the 31st..
You would do the 4th,8th, 12th, 16th, 20th, 24th unless AF started by then, or am I completely confused?


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[XXforhubby]

You got it! You want 3 days in between your attempts, if you're doing E4D.

FX and GL to you!!



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[Mommy2apples]

Awesome! Thanks so much! :)


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[maximbella]

So if your AF ended the 31st..
You would do the 4th,8th, 12th, 16th, 20th, 24th unless AF started by then, or am I completely confused?


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I thought that you actually count the BD day into the 4 days, so it would look like this, or am I confused?? :)

BD on 4th, 7th, 10th, 13th, etc...

Am I wrong? :think:

[Mommy2apples]

I don't know. I'm trying to understand it. You are probably right, because I'm just trying to figure it out.


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[maximbella]

Ha I'm confused also. Anyone know??

[XXforhubby]

Ha I'm confused also. Anyone know??

You want to have 3 days between your attempts when doing E4D. An example would be: attempt on the 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, 20th, and 24th, etc.



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[Mommy2apples]

You want to have 3 days between your attempts when doing E4D. An example would be: attempt on the 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, 20th, and 24th, etc.



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Thanks so much! [emoji846]


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[XXforhubby]

No prob! Glad to help!!



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[Wantanother2017]

Well crap...can't decide what to do. I thought I'd do every 4 days this time...
I really want a girl, and have been swaying for what seems like forever. And dont really want to get pregnant for a while if not in Jan/Feb for due date reasons. Should I just compromise and have 2 attempts in my fertile window with one being close to the +opk? And just cut out the other things like rephresh, sylk, antihistamines? This will be our third attempt....


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[Wantanother2017]

I'm only on CD 10 right now so I have a week or so to play with. I usually ovulate around CD 18


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[maximbella]

That's what I'm planning to do. I'm doing e4d plus one attempt at pos opk, then again every 4 days. But no refresh, etc

[Butterflies buttercups]

I'm doing e4d plus alcahol and rephresh but may drop this next month if no success and just carry on with e4d


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[atomic sagebrush]

I thought that you actually count the BD day into the 4 days, so it would look like this, or am I confused?? :)

BD on 4th, 7th, 10th, 13th, etc...

Am I wrong? :think:

Here's the thing. There is no MAGIC to the 4 day pattern, it's just a way of being in with one attempt in the fertile window (or two max) So you can do it EITHER way really (altho what you're saying I'd call e3d). You can even go farther and have 4 full days between attempts or 5 or whatever.

Think of it this way. More attempts = better chance of conception, but possibly more blue friendly. Fewer attempts = lower chance conception but possibly more pink friendly. So every person needs NOT to get hung up on some relatively arbitrary BD schedule that I made up, but to weigh the two options and then decide what is going to be best for you personally given your situation.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm only on CD 10 right now so I have a week or so to play with. I usually ovulate around CD 18


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Start right away if doing e4d because you CAN O early. That is the main benefit of the e4e/e3d idea is that you start going before you think you could possibly O, and keep going after you think you already Oed, and are thus covered in case of unpredictable ovulation (which is one of the main reasons why people don't get pregnant - the assumption is "well I can't get pg with one attempt" but you CAN, it's just that often people are having an attempt so early or so late that they completely miss the egg.)

[Wantanother2017]

Start right away if doing e4d because you CAN O early. That is the main benefit of the e4e/e3d idea is that you start going before you think you could possibly O, and keep going after you think you already Oed, and are thus covered in case of unpredictable ovulation (which is one of the main reasons why people don't get pregnant - the assumption is "well I can't get pg with one attempt" but you CAN, it's just that often people are having an attempt so early or so late that they completely miss the egg.)

If you're using OPKs and haven't had a positive, wouldn't you know you haven't ovulated? I'm on CD 11 and have been testing for a few days and haven't had a positive yet....[emoji848]


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[Wantanother2017]

Atomic, I'm sure my 372837 questions are making you want to pull your hair out. I'm sorry!
I've just been dying a slow death on this diet for 8 months and I don't want to screw this up! [emoji1]
Thank you for your patience [emoji1374]


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[Butterflies buttercups]

I would just keep going with opks if u find them ok to use or just do e4d? Or like atomic said to up chances of getting pg this cycle e3d if u comfortable with that x


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[atomic sagebrush]

If you're using OPKs and haven't had a positive, wouldn't you know you haven't ovulated? I'm on CD 11 and have been testing for a few days and haven't had a positive yet....[emoji848]


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No, because you can have false negative OPK.

It is not the norm to surge/O before CD 11 anyway. My "early O" comment was directed at someone who usually Oed more like CD 18 but it is totally poss to have a person usually O a bit later, and then have a "normal" cycle now and then and O on CD 14 or whatever. So people who tend to O on the later side still need to assume they could O on CD 12-14 and operate under that assumption.

[Wantanother2017]

No, because you can have false negative OPK.

It is not the norm to surge/O before CD 11 anyway. My "early O" comment was directed at someone who usually Oed more like CD 18 but it is totally poss to have a person usually O a bit later, and then have a "normal" cycle now and then and O on CD 14 or whatever. So people who tend to O on the later side still need to assume they could O on CD 12-14 and operate under that assumption.

Ok. I tend to O later too. Usually around CD 18ish. On CD 13 today so might just DTD tomorrow night or the next, and again on night of +opk. So 2 attempts in the fertile window, and hope I catch the egg!


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[snowy_ice]

Here's the thing. There is no MAGIC to the 4 day pattern, it's just a way of being in with one attempt in the fertile window (or two max) So you can do it EITHER way really (altho what you're saying I'd call e3d). You can even go farther and have 4 full days between attempts or 5 or whatever.

Think of it this way. More attempts = better chance of conception, but possibly more blue friendly. Fewer attempts = lower chance conception but possibly more pink friendly. So every person needs NOT to get hung up on some relatively arbitrary BD schedule that I made up, but to weigh the two options and then decide what is going to be best for you personally given your situation.

Hi Atomic, so E4D would be : eg: BD on 1st jul, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25?

[Mommy2apples]

Correct snowy


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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic, so E4D would be : eg: BD on 1st jul, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25?

AAA your little boy is soo cute!! :heart:

I consider that pattern to be e5d (because you BD on the 5th day) but that is still ok. In fact I would actually like to see people use it more, especially to start with...so if people wanted to start off with that pattern instead of doing one attempt at positive OPK that would be fine to start with. It is lower odds of conception but possibly better for pink.

The true e4d will come out to be, in the worst case scenario, attempt on O-3 and O day. So in your scenario this would be O-3 on July 1, O-2 on July 2, O-1 on July 3, O Day on July 4. The attempts (if they worked out that way, I mean) would fall on July 1 and 4 (and so on, in that pattern.) It would be more likely to fall on O-1 or O-2 but the worst case would be O-3 and O Day.

[4blue2pink]

i did that exact pattern this time snowy_ice :) bd - 3 days off - bd.. etc etc

atomic i didnt realise you count that as e5d, reading that you prefer that to begin with makes me feel better about the change of tactics this time after success with 1 attempt at opk last time :) should i change my pink sway post to say e5d instead of e4d? i know you add the data for the statistics

[snowy_ice]

Thank you for spotting the little mischievous boy there!

Yep, finally got a better understanding!!! Before this... I was still a little hesitant on what to do, considering after reading all the info from the forum, and it isn't a one size fit all, cookie cutter solution.

[atomic sagebrush]

i did that exact pattern this time snowy_ice :) bd - 3 days off - bd.. etc etc

atomic i didnt realise you count that as e5d, reading that you prefer that to begin with makes me feel better about the change of tactics this time after success with 1 attempt at opk last time :) should i change my pink sway post to say e5d instead of e4d? i know you add the data for the statistics

No worries - the thing is I count them BOTH as e4d really. I mean they're both BD every 4 days OR SO, and I really don't think one will be better than the other in the final analysis (and there will be lots of crossover since many of the people in both groups will end up BD on O-2 or O-1 anyway.) E4d just means not a magic pattern but just regularly spaced BD far enough apart to be one attempt, whether you have sex on the 4th or 5th day, it's not important really, and I seriously doubt it will matter in the end. IF e4d ends up being wildly successful then yeah we'll start splitting hairs at some point to see if e5 is better than e4 but for now I just class them both under the umbrella of e4d. :)

[4blue2pink]

ok thankyou for clarifying :) is e4d so far looking similar to 1 attempt? i found it so much less stressful i really didnt enjoy doing opk's though i was going to go back to opk's the following month, i switched to e4d for just that 1 month while we went away as didnt want to take opk's with me, i do wonder if not worrying about opk's helped, it was a very chilled month :) xx

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't say. I can't compare them yet (and possibly, ever). The reason is because 2 different groups of people use them. I have people start off with one attempt, so the people who get pregnant with one attempt tend to be more fertile (likely more set for blue), thus get pregnant more quickly (so less time on diet and exercise), may be older (may sway pink) and may very well be more control freakish (since they certainly didn't wanna start off with e4d LOL) and this also may indicate more set for blue. The people who are going with e4d have nearly all of them been swaying a long time, not getting pregnant for some reason meaning less fertile and also longer on diet/exercise, and the people who start off with e4d are often older, their hubby has sperm count issues (also sways pink), or they're just inherently more laid back and don't wanna mess around with the OPK. So it seems to me to be very likely that the stats on both one attempt may be misleading, making one attempt look less effective than it is and e4d look more effective.

I have boring historical/observational reasons why I'm so sold on one attempt which I can go into if anyone wants to hear it.