Brand of Eggs

[soontobesix]

So I've been sifting through all the sway attempts/outcomes on here, IG and PlumLily. I have my own little sheet made up of the various things all the women did that had successful sways. One of the trends I am seeing quite clearly is egg whites. Granted I'm sure I haven't found all of the posted successful sways but right now I have 7 out of 11 that used egg whites and got their boy (one didn't answer the question so I'm assuming that's a no). One of the girls that didn't use egg whites used Pre-Seed instead. Of the mama's that had failed sways for a boy, only one used egg whites. Hmmmmm... I never considered using egg whites before (I used Pre-Seed last month) but now I am. For those of you that use egg whites, what brand do you buy? What do I need to be looking for? I know you put it on the counter to get to room temperature... any thing else I need to know? Are there risks with putting an uncooked egg in your body?

The other overwhelming trend I saw on the successful sways... out of the 11 I read, ALL but one did low calcium. That one did high everything. I've been doubting my low calcium diet lately but I think I'll stick with it for now. For me it's about switching up how things were before and low calcium is definitely the opposite for me :)

[Flava]

I used EB egg from walmart last month but lost that baby. This time I will get this organic egg I saw in the health food store.
It's from grass feed and what not chickens so I just feel better using that.
Just was it with soap and water (at least I do to make sure it's clean) and put it out in the room , that's it.

About the calcium I think Im in the middle? I eat some butter cheese and sour cream sometimes. Also eat my cereal on the morning with whole milk , but it's very little milk.
But this is a lot less then what I eat with my girls. (exep. with DD4 there was almost no calcium with her and that did not worked either)

[Zivic-Bubac]

Interesting info, thank you for sharing!

[Hobbermittens]

Soontobesix, what other things did you notice?? I would love to know!!

I am going to use egg whites. I get some fresh, organic eggs from a local lady who has chickens. Wash the shell with soap and water, and separate the whites carefully--I heard there are more germs in the yolk (?).

I have been doing low calcium, not avoiding entirely, but no dairy for me.

[gizmo77]

same here with the calcium, im trying toi minimize whati did before. we ll see if it works.

thats a very intersting research soon. thanks for that. yes anything else you noticed?
i was going to do eggwhites but last minutes decided not to bc i have my own natural ewcm thats at an ok pH i think. do you knwo if those who did use eggwhites if they didt have their own natural ewcm? liek why did they use them. im only using things that would help ME and my body.

i think that the more you stick foreign things in your body the likely you are to risk infection. but just do the EW for a couple attempts per cycle, i guess. i think EW in general are meant to help the pregnancy and not necessarily a BOY, right? but the pH of the EW happens to be a boy range. but im sure there are ppl who have used EW andgotten a girl, bc there is that one website with instructions, i think its tryingtoconceive.com, and there are some posts that thank the lady who did the instructional video for helping them get pregnant with "my baby girl" or "baby boy."

interesting tho!

[gizmo77]

soon, here is the website on how to use eggwhites

http://www.tryingtoconceive.com/eggwhites.htm

[soontobesix]

Thanks for your feedback ladies. I'm not really sure how to find a local farmer around here for eggs... maybe I'll just stick with the organic ones I buy from the store. I was talking it over with DH last night and he told me that we did egg whites with DD #1 b/c we were TTC for so long and I got impatient ;) I didn't remember this at all!

As for other things I'm noticing as I'm looking through the sways... pH isn't really consistent. Low or high, it's all over the board for those with both failed and successful sways. If you look at all the successful sways and women that used either Pre-Seed or egg whites as a lube... 10 out of 12 (I found another successful swayer to add to my list) used one or the other!!! 3 used Pre-Seed and 7 used eggwhites. That seems really high to me. On 5 failed sways, 1 used Pre-Seed and 1 used eggwhites. And this isn't really convincing, but 5 out of the 12 successful sways used instead cups while none of the failed sways did. I think I'm going to go through again and see what else I can find. As of right now I can find 12 successful boy sways and 5 failed boy sways that were posted... that right there gives me hope. Those are good odds for those reporting.

[Hobbermittens]

Are you planning to use the instead cup? I decided not to originally because it is hard to put in, and I feel like it will just squish the sperm out of the way instead of help it. Plus, I am going to be laying down with hips propped, so I don't really see how I can put it in anyway. ??

Thanks for all your comparison work!!

[Flava]

Im also using the IC .First I lay in the bed but when I have to get up to use the bathroom I put the IC in and go to sleep like that.

[Hobbermittens]

Im also using the IC .First I lay in the bed but when I have to get up to use the bathroom I put the IC in and go to sleep like that.

Did you use it last time Flava? Did you put it in when you were laying down?

[Flava]

Yes i did used it, put it in before I got up.

[Hobbermittens]

Was it hard to put in laying down?

[Zivic-Bubac]

Wash the shell with soap and water, and separate the whites carefully--I heard there are more germs in the yolk (?).I read somewhere that basically all the germs are ON the shell, that's why it's important to wash the shell thoroughly. Although if egg is infected ( with Salmonella ), the germs are in the yolk.
So I guess (hope?) we should be safe from infections.

The best option is to buy pasteurized eggs, but I can't find any :worry: I know I can pasteurize them myself, but I can't find that thermometer either so I would probably cook them trying to pasteurize :rofl:

I'm going with carefully washed organic EW this cycle.

[Zivic-Bubac]

About IC - I think I won't use it again, I obviously don't know how to put it in properly and when trying to pull it out I always panic a lil' bit bcos like Lola said, it does feel like digging up for China LOL!
Plus I remember a lady from IG who somehow managed to misplace it and coulnd't get it out and ended up in ER. Scary!!!

[Flava]

It's not hard to put it in just lay on your back pick up your hips a little .At least I don't find it hard to do.

How can some one misplace it? Like where else you put it?:worry:

[atomic sagebrush]

So I've been sifting through all the sway attempts/outcomes on here, IG and PlumLily. I have my own little sheet made up of the various things all the women did that had successful sways. One of the trends I am seeing quite clearly is egg whites. Granted I'm sure I haven't found all of the posted successful sways but right now I have 7 out of 11 that used egg whites and got their boy (one didn't answer the question so I'm assuming that's a no). One of the girls that didn't use egg whites used Pre-Seed instead. Of the mama's that had failed sways for a boy, only one used egg whites. Hmmmmm... I never considered using egg whites before (I used Pre-Seed last month) but now I am. For those of you that use egg whites, what brand do you buy? What do I need to be looking for? I know you put it on the counter to get to room temperature... any thing else I need to know? Are there risks with putting an uncooked egg in your body?

The other overwhelming trend I saw on the successful sways... out of the 11 I read, ALL but one did low calcium. That one did high everything. I've been doubting my low calcium diet lately but I think I'll stick with it for now. For me it's about switching up how things were before and low calcium is definitely the opposite for me :)

But I can turn around and find you billions of people who conceived billions of baby boys without using egg white. An egg white has never been anywhere near my wazoo and I have four of the critters. The presence or absence of egg white cannot be what is swaying in the vast, vast majority of people and mammals who are having boys.

Those sway stats are fun to look at but you must always keep in mind that they are preselected for what people are told to do for a sway. So most of the blue swayers do egg white and baking soda, but just because they do those things it doesn't mean that's why they are getting boys or that it's the ONLY way to get boys. Egg white may be totally neutral or it may help a ton or it may be that EWCM and Preseed is just as good as egg white...it's just because since egg white is considered the "gold standard" on some of the sites, the people who are the most dedicated to having the "perfect" sway tend to use egg whites. They're also the ones who do everything else they're "supposed" to, to achieve this "perfect sway" and the more obsessed and detail-oriented you get with swaying, the more your testosterone levels go up and that DOES totally sway blue regardless of anything else. As a result, it may be that the people who used egg whites were extra-diligent with their sway in other ways or it may be that the people who were extra-diligent with their sways raised their testosterone or a combo of the two.

Researchers once analyzed rape statistics and found that rapes went up when more ice cream was consumed...that doesn't mean that ice cream causes rape, it turned out that rape and ice cream consumption both increased during the summer months. Sometimes things are simply unrelated coincidence and this is true even when that coincidence is dressed up in fancy science talk.

In terms of a lack of statistics, please understand that this website didn't even go up until Christmas of last year. I wasn't even promoting the Trivers-Willard stuff actively until that point (I mentioned it sometimes on IG but I chose to keep that to a minimum out of respect to Tamara) and I didn't make the HE Diet plan up until well after this site went up. Most people at the beginning were not willing to give up the mineral stuff (and most of them still aren't willing to give it up, which is fine), so it is not at all surprising that there are few successful HE Diet sways yet. I would not give that lack of statistics any weight whatsoever for your decision. You can't expect something that didn't exist until a few months ago to have the same statistical support as something that has been promoted on every other site on the Web for years. It doesn't mean it doesn't work as well as, or better than, the mineral diets.

I promise ya, I ate TONS of calcium with my boys. Plus nuts every day with gobs of magnesium in them. Virtually every failed pink swayer was taking/eating tons of dairy and they still conceived boys despite that. And vice versa because there are plenty of failed blue sways out there too and they were guzzling salt by the barrelful and avoiding dairy like the plague. The calcium cannot be a magic bullet in either direction or there would BE no failed sways. The premise that the FGD is based on, which is that calcium sways pink and sodium sways blue in every animal on the planet from sea slugs through humans, just can't be true or there would be no failed sways, let alone the fact that cultures who eat a lot of dairy have more sons than cultures where they eat very little dairy and are in fact physically incapable of digesting it.

If you don't feel good about calcium, it's fine to limit it, that won't kill a blue sway if you're getting a lot of other nutrients elsewhere and your body just robs your bones and teeth to get the calcium it needs. You see, you're really not depriving your body of calcium at all because if the level of calcium in your blood****** changes in any appreciable way, it means you have a serious medical condition like cancer, kidney disease, and thyroid problems that you can DIE from...it doesn't just change due to changes in your diet regardless of what some other sources say. A healthy person will have a normal amount of calcium in their blood whether they eat tons of calcium or very little because that is how your body is designed to function.

I simply don't want anyone to rely SOLELY on minerals to sway because I think that's not the best sway and I just really really want you guys to get your DG (that is why I waste time doing this rather than crocheting haha). Whatever you do, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and do/eat things that are not boy friendly in other ways (like Rice Krispies with non-dairy creamer for breakfast, iceberg lettuce salads for lunch, bacon and ham and hot dogs and Campbell's soup for every other meal) in some attempt to chase mineral levels, because those things are terrible for blood sugar and are full of chemicals that will only harm your fertility overall and that is not the way to go for a boy.

[atomic sagebrush]

I read somewhere that basically all the germs are ON the shell, that's why it's important to wash the shell thoroughly. Although if egg is infected ( with Salmonella ), the germs are in the yolk.
So I guess (hope?) we should be safe from infections.

The best option is to buy pasteurized eggs, but I can't find any :worry: I know I can pasteurize them myself, but I can't find that thermometer either so I would probably cook them trying to pasteurize :rofl:

I'm going with carefully washed organic EW this cycle.

But whenever you handle things like egg whites, which you surely must have to handle a bit, they are exposed to germs in the air, on whatever container you used to hold and transfer them, and then whatever is on your hands and the outside of your vagina. And while I'm sure that all of us are scrupulously clean, sh-- happens when you're in a hurry and stressing over swaying, and something sneaks past ya. Germs are all around us all the time and normally they don't hurt anything, but when your cervix is open at ovulation, I just have some concern about shooting a big wad of potentially contaminated EW that can then possibly go onto infect your uterus through the open cervix. Plus, your vajayjay is crawling with organisms anyway both good and bad, with the bad ones held in check by the good, and whenever you change the pH of the vaginal environment, you run the risk of allowing the bad microbes to get a leg up on the competition. That's the reason why your pH is usually low except at ovulation, to keep microbes from overgrowing and causing YI, BV, etc.

Consequently, I prefer both EWCM and Preseed because of less risk of contamination and also they have lower pH than egg whites and are therefore less likely to contribute to infection. Plus I question whether super high pH is really any better for sperm than super low pH is.

[atomic sagebrush]

It's not hard to put it in just lay on your back pick up your hips a little .At least I don't find it hard to do.

How can some one misplace it? Like where else you put it?:worry:

:rofl: Did I leave that dang thing in my purse or what??

One time at ovulation I had my diaphragm in (which is about the same size and shape as the IC) and my cervix was really high and I did have a hard time getting it out. So maybe she was just having a very hormonal ovulation that month!!

I think I would rather live with an IC up there forever rather than go to the ER about it tho! Poor thing. :(

[Hobbermittens]

eat things that are not boy friendly in other ways (like Rice Krispies with non-dairy creamer for breakfast, iceberg lettuce salads for lunch, bacon and ham and hot dogs and Campbell's soup for every other meal) in some attempt to chase mineral levels, because those things are terrible for blood sugar and are full of chemicals that will only harm your fertility overall and that is not the way to go for a boy.

Okay, but I have been eating some of this stuff. Like canned soup and hot dogs and bacon. Why are they bad for blood sugar? I don't eat them constantly, but several times a week.

My problem is that I can't come up with good protein ideas on the fly. I eat nuts a lot. And beef jerky.

[soontobesix]

But whenever you handle things like egg whites, which you surely must have to handle a bit, they are exposed to germs in the air, on whatever container you used to hold and transfer them, and then whatever is on your hands and the outside of your vagina. And while I'm sure that all of us are scrupulously clean, sh-- happens when you're in a hurry and stressing over swaying, and something sneaks past ya. Germs are all around us all the time and normally they don't hurt anything, but when your cervix is open at ovulation, I just have some concern about shooting a big wad of potentially contaminated EW that can then possibly go onto infect your uterus through the open cervix. Plus, your vajayjay is crawling with organisms anyway both good and bad, with the bad ones held in check by the good, and whenever you change the pH of the vaginal environment, you run the risk of allowing the bad microbes to get a leg up on the competition. That's the reason why your pH is usually low except at ovulation, to keep microbes from overgrowing and causing YI, BV, etc.

Consequently, I prefer both EWCM and Preseed because of less risk of contamination and also they have lower pH than egg whites and are therefore less likely to contribute to infection. Plus I question whether super high pH is really any better for sperm than super low pH is.

I totally agree that you need to be careful about the risk of infection from egg whites.... with that said, outside the risk of salmonella (which is only in 1 out of every 20,000 eggs according to the American Egg Council... and they claim the risk is even lower when it's not actually ingested) the risk of other germs/bacteria based on trying to insert the eggwhite doesn't seem like that big of a threat to me. Yes I know weird things can happen, but I don't think it would be the norm. Not to be gross BUT what else goes in that exact same body crevice every time we have sex?? Our DH's penis! I don't know about all of you, but I sure as heck don't sterlize that before sex! He is a clean person and showers every day, but you can't tell me that the potential for germs is greater from handling the egg whites than from my DH's penis or hands (foreplay anyone?).

I definitely don't think egg whites are for everyone. If you're not comfortable with it, don't do it. Many, many women have done egg whites over the years without infection and have gone on to get pregnant. I've noticed various people mention that their doctor even suggested it to them (in most cases a fertility doctor to increase chances of pregnancy) and it's even mentioned as one of the only safe lube options in TCOYF.

[soontobesix]

But I can turn around and find you billions of people who conceived billions of baby boys without using egg white. An egg white has never been anywhere near my wazoo and I have four of the critters. The presence or absence of egg white cannot be what is swaying in the vast, vast majority of people and mammals who are having boys.

Those sway stats are fun to look at but you must always keep in mind that they are preselected for what people are told to do for a sway. So most of the blue swayers do egg white and baking soda, but just because they do those things it doesn't mean that's why they are getting boys or that it's the ONLY way to get boys. Egg white may be totally neutral or it may help a ton or it may be that EWCM and Preseed is just as good as egg white...it's just because since egg white is considered the "gold standard" on some of the sites, the people who are the most dedicated to having the "perfect" sway tend to use egg whites. They're also the ones who do everything else they're "supposed" to, to achieve this "perfect sway" and the more obsessed and detail-oriented you get with swaying, the more your testosterone levels go up and that DOES totally sway blue regardless of anything else. As a result, it may be that the people who used egg whites were extra-diligent with their sway in other ways or it may be that the people who were extra-diligent with their sways raised their testosterone or a combo of the two.

Researchers once analyzed rape statistics and found that rapes went up when more ice cream was consumed...that doesn't mean that ice cream causes rape, it turned out that rape and ice cream consumption both increased during the summer months. Sometimes things are simply unrelated coincidence and this is true even when that coincidence is dressed up in fancy science talk.

In terms of a lack of statistics, please understand that this website didn't even go up until Christmas of last year. I wasn't even promoting the Trivers-Willard stuff actively until that point (I mentioned it sometimes on IG but I chose to keep that to a minimum out of respect to Tamara) and I didn't make the HE Diet plan up until well after this site went up. Most people at the beginning were not willing to give up the mineral stuff (and most of them still aren't willing to give it up, which is fine), so it is not at all surprising that there are few successful HE Diet sways yet. I would not give that lack of statistics any weight whatsoever for your decision. You can't expect something that didn't exist until a few months ago to have the same statistical support as something that has been promoted on every other site on the Web for years. It doesn't mean it doesn't work as well as, or better than, the mineral diets.

I promise ya, I ate TONS of calcium with my boys. Plus nuts every day with gobs of magnesium in them. Virtually every failed pink swayer was taking/eating tons of dairy and they still conceived boys despite that. And vice versa because there are plenty of failed blue sways out there too and they were guzzling salt by the barrelful and avoiding dairy like the plague. The calcium cannot be a magic bullet in either direction or there would BE no failed sways. The premise that the FGD is based on, which is that calcium sways pink and sodium sways blue in every animal on the planet from sea slugs through humans, just can't be true or there would be no failed sways, let alone the fact that cultures who eat a lot of dairy have more sons than cultures where they eat very little dairy and are in fact physically incapable of digesting it.

If you don't feel good about calcium, it's fine to limit it, that won't kill a blue sway if you're getting a lot of other nutrients elsewhere and your body just robs your bones and teeth to get the calcium it needs. You see, you're really not depriving your body of calcium at all because if the level of calcium in your blood****** changes in any appreciable way, it means you have a serious medical condition like cancer, kidney disease, and thyroid problems that you can DIE from...it doesn't just change due to changes in your diet regardless of what some other sources say. A healthy person will have a normal amount of calcium in their blood whether they eat tons of calcium or very little because that is how your body is designed to function.

I simply don't want anyone to rely SOLELY on minerals to sway because I think that's not the best sway and I just really really want you guys to get your DG (that is why I waste time doing this rather than crocheting haha). Whatever you do, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and do/eat things that are not boy friendly in other ways (like Rice Krispies with non-dairy creamer for breakfast, iceberg lettuce salads for lunch, bacon and ham and hot dogs and Campbell's soup for every other meal) in some attempt to chase mineral levels, because those things are terrible for blood sugar and are full of chemicals that will only harm your fertility overall and that is not the way to go for a boy.

I apologize if I mislead anyone to believe that what I was posting was hard core stats. They were just simply my independent observations of the various boy sways that have been posted. By no means is that scientific ;) I realize that there are so many factors that go into a sway that we can not know just from reading about a person's sway. For example, one person's idea of a low calcium diet may not be the same as mine.

I don't think that there is any ONE way to get a boy. I think it is a whole plethora of things in combination with everyone's own personal body chemistry. I firmly believe that myself (and maybe some of the other women that have three or more little girls) may have to go to more extremes to get our boys than some of the moms that easily get boys. Our bodies don't naturally sway towards boy so we need to do a little more to turn things around. Obviously everyone's opinion is a little different of how to turn things around. Some people can probably eat lots of calcium and get boys... because something else in their body composition overrides the fact that they eat a lot of calcium (this is of course coming from someone who believes in lower calcium). And a lot of people can have lots of boys not using egg whites because their own natural cervical mucus and pH is most likely more favorable to boy sperm than those of us that have lots of girls. That's why I think so many of us are willing to take those extra steps to get our baby boys even if other boy moms didn't have to do it. And I firmly believe that everyone's sway will be different because all of us are different! I personally prefer not to use very many supplements, whereas it works really well for others. I applaud everyone for finding their own swaying style :)

Just to show another example of what I'm talking about... there are millions of women that can get pregnant without the use of fertility drugs or other interventions. Does that mean that the women who can't get pregnant on their own shouldn't use fertility aids in order to achieve their dream of pregnancy just because most other pregnant women didn't have to? I'm guessing that most of us wouldn't agree with that. We would tell the woman to use whatever means she feels comfortable with to achieve her dream of pregnancy, even if it wasn't the same way we got pregnant. I guess that's how I view the boy sway thing... yes lots of women have baby boys every day without swaying. But they aren't me and don't have my predisposition to little girls. Something in my body screams girls and I need to do something out of the ordinary if I want to change that up... I think that's why egg whites and other various swaying elements are so appealing to many boy swayers. Does that make any sense??

[love being a mummy]

Something in my body screams girls and I need to do something out of the ordinary if I want to change that up... I think that's why egg whites and other various swaying elements are so appealing to many boy swayers. Does that make any sense??

Totally agree with your entire post and it makes perfect sense to me.

[atomic sagebrush]

Okay, but I have been eating some of this stuff. Like canned soup and hot dogs and bacon. Why are they bad for blood sugar? I don't eat them constantly, but several times a week.

My problem is that I can't come up with good protein ideas on the fly. I eat nuts a lot. And beef jerky.

The deal with the canned soup/bacon/hot dogs is that the sodium and nitrates and preservatives are bad for overall fertility, not for blood sugar (altho any canned soup that is low in protein, high in carbs will spike and drop your blood sugar unless you eat some protein along with it.) High sodium diet in rats led to more girls being conceived, not more boys.

I'm not talking about occasionally eating these things because that is perfectly fine. I'm talking about the people who I have seen who eat the dreaded Rice Krispie/non-dairy creamer for breakfast, iceberg lettuce salad with bacon and can of Campbell's for lunch, and then hotdogs every night for dinner, day in and day out for months because they can't get pregnant doing only one attempt right on O, and think they're swaying blue because their minerals are "right" and they're doing timing so well. It's not how it works and the fact that anyone can conceive at all on this type of diet is almost miraculous and has everything to do with the fact that the fruit juices and TTC boy supps are so good for fertility that they can undo a lot of the harm that the FGD does.

[atomic sagebrush]

I totally agree that you need to be careful about the risk of infection from egg whites.... with that said, outside the risk of salmonella (which is only in 1 out of every 20,000 eggs according to the American Egg Council... and they claim the risk is even lower when it's not actually ingested) the risk of other germs/bacteria based on trying to insert the eggwhite doesn't seem like that big of a threat to me. Yes I know weird things can happen, but I don't think it would be the norm. Not to be gross BUT what else goes in that exact same body crevice every time we have sex?? Our DH's penis! I don't know about all of you, but I sure as heck don't sterlize that before sex! He is a clean person and showers every day, but you can't tell me that the potential for germs is greater from handling the egg whites than from my DH's penis or hands (foreplay anyone?).

I definitely don't think egg whites are for everyone. If you're not comfortable with it, don't do it. Many, many women have done egg whites over the years without infection and have gone on to get pregnant. I've noticed various people mention that their doctor even suggested it to them (in most cases a fertility doctor to increase chances of pregnancy) and it's even mentioned as one of the only safe lube options in TCOYF.

First of all, our husband's penises are not made out of liquid (or at least mine isn't anyway haha) so the germs on them are less likely to be spread around and the acidic vaginal secretions kill whatever is living on there. Aside from any contamination that it picks up in the process, egg whites are like a perfect medium for growing germs in and that's why vaccines are grown in eggs and it also disrupts the function of the vaginal secretions by raising pH super high, and allows things to survive that would otherwise immediately be killed off. Salmonella poisoning is not my concern - I'm far from a germophobe but the simple fact is that when one is TTC and their cervix is open, I ~personally~ believe that it is better to err on the side of using a sperm-safe lubricant that is sterile and actually designed to inhibit the growth of germs is better and safer. Doctors still have no understanding of why most miscarriages happen and it seems well within the realm of reasonable that a slight infection could contribute to at least some of them.

Plus, I personally believe and reputable sources and doctors would agree, that very high pH is just as bad for sperm as very low pH and so I seriously doubt that egg whites that have been screwed with to raise their pH to 9.9 is this fab lube for TTC anyway. Doctors who recommend egg white for TTC are picturing egg white with normal pH of 8 and not the sky high pH that blue swayers are encouraged to aim for. I also tend to believe that with egg white you end up washing away sperm that you want to keep in there because of the runniness factor and that is a step in the wrong direction.

The reason why doctors used to (and sometimes still do) recommend egg whites is because there didn't use to be any other option for sperm safe lubricant and because egg whites are easily available and affordable for people. Some doctors just continue to recommend them because it's what they've always done and that's what they learned in medical school. Others recommend them because they think people won't go buy Preseed or that it's too expensive. Same with TCYOF - you know some people just prefer "natural" stuff and so egg whites are included in their list.

Please understand that I am not trying to put anyone off egg whites if they want to use them. I was responding to your original post, which I read several times and it seemed to me that you were stating that egg whites were the only way to get a boy, that if people decide not to do egg whites they won't get a boy, and if I misinterpreted that, I apologize but I still stand by everything I say.

I don't own stock in Preseed or anything, what I am trying to do is ******line swaying so we get the most effective sway for the least amount of stress and effort. To my way of thinking, regardless of anything else, using Preseed is easier and less stressful for people than maniacally obsessing over the pH of an egg, searching out the best source of eggs, worrying if they're doing it right, yadda yadda...swaying is so scary and overwhelming to people and that can lower T levels. So any shortcuts we can make that are equally effective (as I believe Preseed to be) or even better (EWCM), that keep people from feeling overwhelmed and stressed out, is just plain better to my mind. Plus, some people simply cannot use egg whites because their husbands refuse to, and so reading things like "all the successful sways used egg white" is devastating to those people and makes them feel hopeless and defeated before their sways even start.

[atomic sagebrush]

I apologize if I mislead anyone to believe that what I was posting was hard core stats. They were just simply my independent observations of the various boy sways that have been posted. By no means is that scientific ;) I realize that there are so many factors that go into a sway that we can not know just from reading about a person's sway. For example, one person's idea of a low calcium diet may not be the same as mine.

I don't think that there is any ONE way to get a boy. I think it is a whole plethora of things in combination with everyone's own personal body chemistry. I firmly believe that myself (and maybe some of the other women that have three or more little girls) may have to go to more extremes to get our boys than some of the moms that easily get boys. Our bodies don't naturally sway towards boy so we need to do a little more to turn things around. Obviously everyone's opinion is a little different of how to turn things around. Some people can probably eat lots of calcium and get boys... because something else in their body composition overrides the fact that they eat a lot of calcium (this is of course coming from someone who believes in lower calcium). And a lot of people can have lots of boys not using egg whites because their own natural cervical mucus and pH is most likely more favorable to boy sperm than those of us that have lots of girls. That's why I think so many of us are willing to take those extra steps to get our baby boys even if other boy moms didn't have to do it. And I firmly believe that everyone's sway will be different because all of us are different! I personally prefer not to use very many supplements, whereas it works really well for others. I applaud everyone for finding their own swaying style :)

Just to show another example of what I'm talking about... there are millions of women that can get pregnant without the use of fertility drugs or other interventions. Does that mean that the women who can't get pregnant on their own shouldn't use fertility aids in order to achieve their dream of pregnancy just because most other pregnant women didn't have to? I'm guessing that most of us wouldn't agree with that. We would tell the woman to use whatever means she feels comfortable with to achieve her dream of pregnancy, even if it wasn't the same way we got pregnant. I guess that's how I view the boy sway thing... yes lots of women have baby boys every day without swaying. But they aren't me and don't have my predisposition to little girls. Something in my body screams girls and I need to do something out of the ordinary if I want to change that up... I think that's why egg whites and other various swaying elements are so appealing to many boy swayers. Does that make any sense??

To reiterate, I was strictly responding to the original post which seemed to me to be saying pretty much point blank that successful sways used egg white. That makes all the swayers out there who can't use egg white or don't want to, feel very defeated and hopeless. This site is about providing viable options for people and not pigeonholing them into doing or using things they don't feel comfortable with.

Never have I said that it's as easy for girl moms to conceive boys as it is boy moms. But MOST of the people who have both boys and girls are neither "set" for boys or girls, they're somewhere in between and very few these people did not use egg whites to conceive children of both genders. The odds of conceiving a baby boy go up naturally over time and this is true for people who do absolutely nothing to sway. A lot of the gals on this site only have 1 or 2 girls to begin with and so it is a pretty big assumption that they are "set" to produce anything and have to go to any extremes to sway. Most people will conceive a baby boy at some point in their lives without egg white, and so I feel that I must take exception to the implication that it is the "only" or "best" way for people who have girls. In fact, both egg white and Preseed both are probably inferior ways to conceive a baby boy, because it's whatever is making people conceive boys vs. girls to begin with that is the "best" way, KWIM? Again, please understand that I am not trying to put people off egg whites if they really feel motivated to use them, but I can't just let what I feel to be misinformation, go by without addressing it either.

RE fertility drugs - they are proven to help people get pregnant and so of course no one would say "people get pg without fertility drugs so no one needs them". Whereas egg whites are NOT proven to be any better than Preseed and are certainly not proven to be any better than swaying via diet/supps/lifestyle, regardless of what the stats on IG or any website claim. Because like I said before, when people are told to use egg whites in addition to doing 700 other things to sway, who can even know if it's the egg whites doing anything positive at all or if they're just a red herring?? Who even knows if any of us are really even "set" to produce more of one gender anyway, whereas we do know that infertility is a real issue and what the reasons for it are. There is no comparison to be made between the two.

[atomic sagebrush]

Totally agree with your entire post and it makes perfect sense to me.

Please understand that I totally understand why people want to do everything they can to sway. Believe me, I get it. It's why I went ahead and took cal/mag/vit d and B6 with my sway for DS 4. Because I wanted to do everything and I felt like I had to do everything to change my body chemistry. But you know what, my sway failed regardless of the magic pink pills I was taking. Just like the sways of a lot of other people, both pink and blue. In the meantime, an awful lot of people who didn't sway at all and didn't believe in swaying (and still had a lot of one gender BTW) got their DG by doing nothing any different than they had every day of their lives. We have to take a step back and really take a look at these things that supposedly sway because it simply cannot be that you have to use egg whites to TTC a boy, because even people who have a LOT of girls are getting boys without egg whites, people who are using egg whites are still getting opposites, and even people doing everything to sway pink are STILL getting opposites.

If egg whites had no drawbacks I would be totally on board with them, but they DO have drawbacks. a) grossness and germ factor b) are not even proven to sway gender in a scientific study c) high pH may even be harmful to sperm d) may make it harder to get pg by diluting and washing away sperm e) both c and d may sway inadvertently pink by lowering sperm count and f) is stressful and may be discouraging to people, lowering testosterone. To me, that is not a good trade.