When did you get af and what genders do you have?

[Pbn3]

I'm just curious to know when af came what gender/s babies you had. I seem to recall reading ages ago something about getting af at night is pink friendly but I could be mistaken. Thought it'd be interesting to share anyway :)

When I conceived both my boys (2011 & 2013) af arrived with fmu every single time. For the last several months af has been arriving at night or late afternoon sometimes spotting which I've never had, sometimes medium /heavy flow.

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[XXforhubby]

With all of my boys, AF came late morning or mid-day, usually before dinner time. This time around, my AF came on before bedtime on Xmas! I did have light spotting that started in the late afternoon/evening that day.



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[foxtrotmama]

One of my boys (and the ones we lost) AF was late afternoon, and with the other it woke me up late at night.

[Mommy2apples]

That is an interesting take! With the boys af came in the morning. Since my last miscarriage af comes in the evenings.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Updated 1-11-18

This is one of those bizarre observations that I know seems very farfetched but I really think there is something to this. I am really glad you posted this Pbn because I've recently had an experience that I think is really crazy and you guys should probably hear about it (apologies for TMI in advance)

When I was in high school my periods were super irregular, 5-7 days long and would come often in the afternoon (which was an enormous PITA as I'm sure you can imagine).

Then I went onto the BCP for about a year and my cycles normalized and it started coming 1st thing in the morning (by first thing in the morning I mean I would either wake up with it there or else have it show up within minutes of waking) lasting only 3-4 days, and did so for 20+ years without any exceptions that I can recall (other than postpartum, of course). During this time I conceived 4 boys. I also had this one weird chin hair that began when I was about 19 and stayed around thereafter and also hairs around my nipples (sorry, TMI I know, never let it be said that I leave any stone unturned in the search for swaying trends!!)

With my 4th son, I was doing the prototype LE Diet (but still taking tons of prenatals and also vitex, no coffee, no alcohol). My period did keep coming in the morning BUT the chin hair and nipple hairs went away. Got a boy.

Then, when I was on LE Diet without the IG supps (plus vitex, coffee and alcohol) I noticed that my period first started to come in the afternoon or night, then got really super light. I've always had a light short period (except back in high school) but it was barely there. The month before I conceived my period was barely there, light red flow for a day, then spotting for a day. The hairs had never come back after my 4th son. Got a girl.

Subsequently, my periods came in the afternoon or night ever since they came back postpartum at about 18 months (this was the longest it ever took)

My daughter is 4 1/2 now (meaning at the time I originally wrote this, at the start of 2017) so I had my periods coming at night all that time when they've always come in the morning before. They've also been quite light, a couple of months I was even concerned by how light they were thinking it was probably menopause or something, but they were always regular 28 day cycles. They have gotten much more normal over the past year and are now more like 3 days although still lighter than when I got my boys.

BUT starting about 4 months ago, my periods started coming in the morning again. And drum roll...

The hairs are back. For the first time in 7 years. Just noticed a couple days ago.

I hadn't been on LE Diet, but I hadn't been on it for quite a while. The only thing I changed was I stopped drinking alcohol.

Weird, right?

I'm telling you guys, if I had 10 million dollars and some grad students I could bust this thing wide open.

UPDATE: So after I wrote that original post, one year ago my periods have continued coming in the morning. At some point I stopped breastfeeding (I know, I know, it's terrible, my daughter would NOT give up nursing a few times a week till she was almost 5 aaa) and the final puzzle piece fell back in place and my periods went back to the exact same pattern they had been in for 20+ years when I got my boys.

So, just to lay it out here:

When I was a teenager (and I really did not eat well during this time) I had long, irregular cycles, 5-7 day periods (I suspect they were long because my cycles were longer, though) and my period came later in the day.

Then, during my 20's and 30's (starting before I got any of my boys) I had perfect 28 day cycles, 3 1/2-4 day periods that were very predictable and very much the same month to month, and I had the hair on my chin and around my nipples. I always got my period first thing in the morning...with one exception...

I realized after going through some old exercise stuff recently that the 3 cycles I had "exercise amenorrhea" when I got on this big exercise and weight loss kick and my periods got really really light - like barely there, just some spotting really 0 and my cycle got long, that my period also had come during the afternoon at least one of those 3 cycles. I don't remember the other two but I do remember one time I was exercising and my period (if you could even call it that) came in the middle of my exercise and I had to go deal with it. But this only lasted a couple months and I started eating more and exercising less again. period went back to normal.

Before TTC DS 3, I had started taking Women's One a Day (which I now recommend for blue swayers) and I took them prior to both my conceptions with DS 3 and DS 4. Did not take with DD.

Then, with my 4th son (at 39) I was doing IG supps (including prenatal) but eating a mostly LE Diet and had lost quite a bit of weight (I think around 35 lbs by the end of it all). Hairs went away but period stayed totally regular (as far as I recall because I only had ONE period before I got pregnant with him and it had been a couple months before the egg that became him joined the party - I wasn't ovulating regularly due to breastfeeding)

Finally, with my 5th (DD) at 41 I was not taking any supps, eating LE Diet, lost tons of weight (I gained a lot with DS 4 and I lost all that and more). I was breastfeeding not one but two toddlers. The hairs had never come back after getting pregnant with DS 4. I was also under tons of stress and drinking both coffee and alcohol (never did that with others) My period got super light, and came in the afternoon/evening. It was remarkably strange since it's been so regular and so much the same for so long.

Then, for the subsequent 4+ years after that (well, it took 18 months to come back, which in and of itself was very strange) period was still light, still coming in the afternoon and evening, hairs were gone, and I wasn't doing LE Diet during that time (or any diet.) I was taking Women's One a Day still most of this time.
Eventually, my periods started coming in the morning again, and after I gave up drinking alcohol totally, the hairs came back. Period was still light though, lasting between 1 1/2-2 1/2 days, rarely 3.

And now, a year later, after giving up breastfeeding too, then and only then has my period finally gone back to what it was for that 20 year period from about 19 through about 39...3 1/2 to 4 days, comes first thing in the morning, and I still (sadly) have the hairs around nipples. Chin hair, thankfully, never did come back again. And interestingly, I had NOT been taking many vitamins during this time. So the breastfeeding (even though I had done it only a few times a week and not even daily) seemed to outweigh the multivitamin, possibly.

I don't know what any of this means, if anything, but what I do know is that there is some trend here that is worthy of investigation if I had the resources to do it. It is not a magic bullet, I don't want anyone postponing their sways or swaying too soon just becuase they have a short period one month or whatever (remember, your period in one month tells you what happened LAST month, not anything about what will happen next month) but it is something we have to keep an eye on because it may be telling us something about how the whole ball of wax really works.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and I forgot to mention the reason I noticed this to begin with was because several BLUE swayers told me that they were getting their periods in the morning after swaying and asking me if it was normal!!!

[cosmosis]

Hmm, I never really paid any attention to when my periods came when I conceived DD. I do know I developed a few hairs around my nipples after I had her as well as the chin hair. My periods have always been heavy.

I think a person's circadian rhythm should be noted here. A night owl can't be compared to an early bird as their entire system runs on different time. Another thing that needs to be looked at is (if the woman is charting), does AF show the morning of the temp drop or the following morning?

My period gets here right before bed on the day of my temp drop. This has been going on for at least a year. Before that, my period would arrive in the afternoon. I remember packing my pads for work the day I was expecting AF or announcing to DH "too late, my period is here. You are on vacation for a week" in the middle of the day and one specific moment where I was mad because He didn't wanna do anything the morning I knew AF was coming and promised me we'd do it later that day. LOL.

So we could say, afternoon to evening consistently for the last few years. Don't know what gender this bean is, but I hope I remember to update this thread lol.

[Artisam]

Could this tie in with the theory of moon phases too as they are suggested to influence ovulation (knock on effect of)? Just a thought. Diet can massively influence menstrual cycle so this all sounds very plausible and is very interesting (my PhD is in nutritional biochemistry so I don't know much about moon phases! ).


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[ksmom]

Chiming in. With DS1 and DS2, my period pretty much always came in the wee hours of the morning (like 4-6am) and AF was always quite heavy. When I was swaying, AF always came at night and my flow was a lot lighter (though I did start spotting a bunch after AF). I ended up having DS3 anyway so it's clearly not a definite AF in morning=boy and AF at night=girl.

[kittendreams]

My af always came in the early hours as in 3-5 am it always woke me up with terrible cramps and I conceived two boys like this. Interestingly I *think* my ovulation happens at this time also???
I am starting to sway lightly now at 3 months pp so it will be interesting to see what my pppaf is like when it returns.

[kittendreams]

Just realised and it may be just a weird coincidence but I had my bloody show at around 4 am when I went into labour naturally with Ds1??? It was like getting my af because I'd had the period like cramps during the night. My ds2 was a planned c section so never went into labour with him.

[srg09cag11]

My last two periods have also switched to the mornings, like when I get up for work around 6:00 a.m. I was always a late afternoon/early evening starter before when I was on my birth control pills and when I conceived my daughters. I don't remember what my cycle was doing before I conceived my son. Weird!

[Jconger]

So are you guys thinks early starts would sway boy and evening starts would sway girl? Also, I'm pretty new here, but Atomic did you get my PM? Thanks

[kittendreams]

Probably not as simple as boy=morning af and girl= evening af unfortunately. but maybe more like if you got your af at a certain time with one gender then started swaying and it changed to a completely different time then that would be a good sign that swaying is working for you and changing your cycles in a good way and therefore you may be more likely to conceive an opposite gender? Just speculating of course!

[Greydore]

I have two boys and my period always comes mid-morning or afternoon. I didn't even realize that some women start theirs at night- that seems so weird to me! Haha. When I was suffering with bulimia my periods stopped, and when I went vegan they were very very light, almost nonexistent.

Branching off a bit, since atomic did mention hair. I have a few random chin and nipple hairs. In general I'm kind of hairy, I'm wondering if that alone can sway boy? I don't have pcos, just unlucky!

[fiveboys]

On all my 6 boys my af since i was 15 has always been dead on at 6 a.m then stops at 10 p.m and back at 6 a.m for about 4 days... since doing the le diet though my last period started in the afternoon so hopefully thats a good sign..

[kc15880]

Very interesting! I always got AF in the morning with my boys & since the LE diet AF arrived is in the evening & was very light. My first AF after my miscarriage arrived mid morning & very heavy - the heaviest I have ever had. We have attempted this month so it will be interesting to see what happens next!

[atomic sagebrush]

So are you guys thinks early starts would sway boy and evening starts would sway girl? Also, I'm pretty new here, but Atomic did you get my PM? Thanks

I haven't seen your PM yet, I'll try to swing back around and find it or else first thing tomorrow. Message me again if I don't get back to you in the next couple days.

NO, I'm not saying that at all and I'm sure that there are lots of people now freaking out about this.

The weird thing is that people are reporting changes with swaying that seem to be consistently going one direction. I can guarantee there are 10,000 exceptions, it is just straight up weird that so many people are noticing it. And they report it to ME, not the other way around. I get a dozen panicked messages every month from pink swayers who notice really light periods and blue swayers whose periods are waking them up in the morning (which if you've never experienced that, it's alarming!)

The example I'll use to illustrate this is my normal periods are pretty darn light compared to most people. If I had never seen it get REALLY light, I'd be reading this and thinking "Well, I have a light period, and I have all boys" but the thing is, it got way lighter when I was swaying. It was the change that was interesting, not some set definition of "light period". Someone could go from 7 days to 6 and not even notice but that's still lighter, KWIM??

And there are lots of variables to consider, namely that so many people take different supplements with swaying that could also affect things like flow and even time of day that period arrives...if you take cranberry, for example, it could make a super heavy period (or weirdly, a lighter one, and there's a big sciency explanation for this if anyone want to hear it) and since blood thinners like cranberry or fish oil or Coq10 can "kickstart" your period if you always take it at a certain time of day you'd possibly cause AF to arrive at a different time of day, just like sex and hot baths can. It's the trend Im curious about.

Please no one extrapolate this to mean that your period coming at a certain type of day is actually ~swaying~ in and of itself and all we need to do is get our period to come at a different time of day and we're guaranteed success. Please please please, no one extrapolate this to mean you can't succeed with swaying if this doesn't happen for you.

IT's just one of those funny bread crumbs that I'd love to be able to follow wherever it leads.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have two boys and my period always comes mid-morning or afternoon. I didn't even realize that some women start theirs at night- that seems so weird to me! Haha. When I was suffering with bulimia my periods stopped, and when I went vegan they were very very light, almost nonexistent.

Branching off a bit, since atomic did mention hair. I have a few random chin and nipple hairs. In general I'm kind of hairy, I'm wondering if that alone can sway boy? I don't have pcos, just unlucky!

It's not that it sways, it's that it ~may be~ indicative of higher T (which some have supposed sways blue, altho I am not totally convinced...then again, this weird hair thing has me thinking!!) But the thing of it is, the number one factor for body hair is genetics. Some people have more hair than others just naturally. Again, just like with the AF thing, it's perceived changes in hair and not your level of hair compared to anyone else on the planet.

[atomic sagebrush]

Could this tie in with the theory of moon phases too as they are suggested to influence ovulation (knock on effect of)? Just a thought. Diet can massively influence menstrual cycle so this all sounds very plausible and is very interesting (my PhD is in nutritional biochemistry so I don't know much about moon phases! ).


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Nobody knows very much about moon phases. Next to no research, virtually all supposition (very much including myself in the supposers)

I will say that at least one doctor I've read, claimed that ovulating at the full moon is a sign of improved fertility.

[Throwaway_panther]

Huh! This one had to make me think.

I've actually most commonly been a "wake up to my period" kind of gal, with some afternoon starts occasionally -- many of which I remember because I was so consistently a morning AFer that I'd get some nasty accidents in public... Always very heavy, generally about 6-7 days.

My first AF off BCP (the only full cycle before conceiving DD) did come in the evening. Although that one sure wasn't light, ugh.

Now I have moderate flow. Sometimes morning starts, sometimes evening spotting with wake up to heavier flows? It's tricky to note since I've had two losses in the maybe 5-6 cycles postpartum.

Hair: Ladies, this one makes me sigh if it means boy and I've missed out, because I don't have PCOS but despite MULTIPLE rounds of lazer hair removal on my underarm, bikini line and nipples years ago, that **** is still there. I'm always plucking damn neck hairs. :grumble: But I am of an ethnicity known for being swarthy though, lol...

[atomic sagebrush]

Number one factor for hair is genetics. Please understand that. The hair thing only really matters in terms of YOU personally your hair. If you notice more or less, that ~may~ mean something but don't take it to the bank, for sure.

Coming off BCP and being postpartum or after a loss, changes things.

[Throwaway_panther]

:running:
Number one factor for hair is genetics. Please understand that. The hair thing only really matters in terms of YOU personally your hair. If you notice more or less, that ~may~ mean something but don't take it to the bank, for sure.

Coming off BCP and being postpartum or after a loss, changes things.

Oh, I know it's genetics... all those wasted lazer hair sessions showed me that! :SS: :SS:

I know you've said high T might not be as big of a boy sway facet, anyway. Since I do definitely have elements of high T... not many of which of which I've ever been fond of lol

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I'm really not convinced on that. The data is just not that compelling to me (esp. given the Clomid thing, since that raises T and makes more girls!)

Just one of those things I'd love to investigate.

[kc15880]

Since starting LE my big toe hair disappeared completely, my hair is less oily & I do have slightly less facial & nipple hair too. I have always been hairy & it is indeed genetic for me. I have previously been tested for PCOS but that always came back negative. Overall I do feel more subdued, particularly in group or work meetings where I would have usually been more dominant. This could be because there are more dominant people around me at the moment or whether it is the T reducing. I feel less organised as a person too. I have always been a big planner & I just dont feel that drive anymore. Now whether that is because I have tried to relax about everything or whether it is a result of T dropping who knows!

[Throwaway_panther]

Just as a further "thinking out loud," I wonder if the lifestyles in terms of weight have some bearing with the hair correlation here, too. We know by now that extremes in weight seems to sway girl -- very light, or very heavy, and generally with the very light element it's because of an actively losing weight thing. As many on here can attest to who suffered with eating disorders, when you get to a very low BMI you DO have an increase in hair -- lanugo. I definitely had issues with that when my anorexia was at its worst, which was very noticeable since I have a... tendency... to hairiness.

So I wonder if, while women going on LE generally notice their hairiness abate a bit, if they see it increase it might be time to reevaluate some parts of their intake (are these the women who take months and months TTC? Is this a sign that hasn't been paid attention to in the past?). Conversely, the women with HE lifestyles who notice it increase might be because of weight issues in terms of PCOS?

Who knows? Interesting. Hairiness is definitely a genetic thing still, yes. I just could talk about hair forever, I am so familiar with it :hide:

[atomic sagebrush]

My goal would be to never have anyone get low enough in weight to experience that. It is not something that has ever been reported to me. I have people stop losing at a normal BMI and while I've had a small handful of people drop lower than I'd like (against my advice), none of them have ever mentioned it to me.

That is good to know though. Thanks for the input.

[kc15880]

My weight has really plateaued on the LE diet - I tend to loose a couple of kilos quickly & then remain static even though my intake is the same. It has happened like this twice now. Just the body protecting itself really.

[ksmom]

Just as a further "thinking out loud," I wonder if the lifestyles in terms of weight have some bearing with the hair correlation here, too. We know by now that extremes in weight seems to sway girl -- very light, or very heavy, and generally with the very light element it's because of an actively losing weight thing. As many on here can attest to who suffered with eating disorders, when you get to a very low BMI you DO have an increase in hair -- lanugo. I definitely had issues with that when my anorexia was at its worst, which was very noticeable since I have a... tendency... to hairiness.

So I wonder if, while women going on LE generally notice their hairiness abate a bit, if they see it increase it might be time to reevaluate some parts of their intake (are these the women who take months and months TTC? Is this a sign that hasn't been paid attention to in the past?). Conversely, the women with HE lifestyles who notice it increase might be because of weight issues in terms of PCOS?

Who knows? Interesting. Hairiness is definitely a genetic thing still, yes. I just could talk about hair forever, I am so familiar with it :hide:

Interesting. While I DO believe amount of body hair is at least partly genetic, I also think lifestyle factors can influence it. After a long time on LE and dropping down to a very low BMI (was not my intention at all), I did notice more finer hairs on my body but this one random dark/coarse hair I used to get on my tummy disappeared. My mom was always a low weight when she was younger and noticed these fine hairs on her as well. I know part of that is the result of the body losing so much fat that it develops a "coat" of hair as insulation (more of a primitive thing really).

[atomic sagebrush]

bumping, anyone who hasn't added any experience to this thread please do!

[4blue2pink]

with my 4 boys (no swaying) af would usually show up anytime from when i woke up to mid morning ish.. i wasnt paying much attention to the time it started if im honest but it never started at night.

with my first pink sway i honestly cant remember what time it was coming

with my second pink sway the last af i had before my bfp arrived at 10pm!! i remember thinking this was such a weird change for me coming on at bedtime, im team green so wont know till baby is here if our sway worked but just thought id add this seen as i do believe the LE diet and swaying changed things for me.

i'll also add that during my 2nd sway i had a weird very light bleed (spotting really) which i initially thought was a mid cycle bleed (first one id ever had in my life) but then the timing of it compared to my next af made it seem like it had to be a weird super light period, i got bfp a couple of cycles later so again i just chalked it up to things changing due to the sway, which i guess is a good thing :)

[srg09cag11]

I just read my earlier response to this in which I remember feeling good because my period time had changed and I was feeling so healthy and good. Still got another girl. Sigh.


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[sunstars]

I have two boys, and sway for a girl. I am only swaying (not very strict) for several months, and at least past two times my period started in the evening, I noticed it because I was expecting bfp and it made me annoyed since usually I had af in the morning, so I was hopeful for additional 6-8 hours in vain. I don't think swaying impacted duration, and it's hard to tell much about heaviness, since it varied much in the past few years.
And regarding hair; a few nasty ones I had (2 under the chin on a scar, 2 on stomach) have disappeared at least for a past month or two.
A few days ago when I've read this post, it made me feel pretty good about my sway :) I just need to get a bfp now :) So... to be updated...

[onebigwish]

Interesting , I really don't remember on what time af came. That's a long time ago. But the last to year I noticed that af comes in the afternoon (17:00)
And I've to boys

[Katie.Z]

Omg renewed hope! (I’ve been a little blue lately) I have two girls, my cycle regular and short always came in the afternoon or night time. I have been on boy diet and supps for a few months and noticed my cycle came for the very first time EVER in the morning. I am drinking wine weekly though. About a glass and a half a night over the weekend. Planning to drop that down 6 weeks before attempt, but right now everyone is happier if I have my wine.

[Girlswaylondon]

Just wanted to add my experience (following atomics link on the other thread) when I concieved my son and ever since I can remember my period came first thing in the morning, since starting LE diet it without fail comes in the afternoon (around 3pm)

Interesting!

[Noemi2017]

What i remember my af is still coming in the morning, is it bad sign? I ttc girl:curtsey:

[Georgia_Peach]

Both boys period would come first thing in the morning.
Both my girls (my stillborn included) AF came in late afternoon/evening.
All my cycles since my miscarrage AF has come in the evenings.

Here's to hoping there is something to this!

[atomic sagebrush]

What i remember my af is still coming in the morning, is it bad sign? I ttc girl:curtsey:

No, it's not, and I don't want anyone to really worry or stress about this at all.

This is one of those threads where we are just trying to figure it all out.

tons of people get their period in the morning and have girls!

[Ladynic]

Interesting..... I HAVE noticed since starting HE diet my AF seems to come on in the morning or early afternoon. Come to think of it, I have been getting my first positive OPK earlier in the day too since then. I did previously usually get both my positive OPKs and AFs at night..... Really interesting. Never would've made the connection!

[Blushpinkbabyxx]

This is so interesting. Very curious if and or what the connection is.

With both of my boys, my AF always came in the morning usually within an hour of waking up. Since I got my AF after breastfeeding with my 2nd baby, my AF is coming later in the evening and my cycle has completely changed from longer to heavier and shorter with some spotting afterwards now.

I wonder if this could be an indicator to my body changing and becoming more girl friendly even though I haven’t started my sway yet... any truth to it Atomic?

[XXforhubby]

This is so interesting. Very curious if and or what the connection is.

With both of my boys, my AF always came in the morning usually within an hour of waking up. Since I got my AF after breastfeeding with my 2nd baby, my AF is coming later in the evening and my cycle has completely changed from longer to heavier and shorter with some spotting afterwards now.

I wonder if this could be an indicator to my body changing and becoming more girl friendly even though I haven’t started my sway yet... any truth to it Atomic?

There is some slight truth to this, but don’t get too caught up in it or worry about it. Just like with everything- there are exceptions to the rule. You are right in that it is an effect of the diet changing your condition, but I just don’t want others to stress or worry if it doesn’t happen for them.



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[atomic sagebrush]

This is so interesting. Very curious if and or what the connection is.

With both of my boys, my AF always came in the morning usually within an hour of waking up. Since I got my AF after breastfeeding with my 2nd baby, my AF is coming later in the evening and my cycle has completely changed from longer to heavier and shorter with some spotting afterwards now.

I wonder if this could be an indicator to my body changing and becoming more girl friendly even though I haven’t started my sway yet... any truth to it Atomic?

Not I nor anyone can say. This is just something that we've noticed that seems intriguing but for now I want you guys to view it as a curiosity and not as an indicator of the odds of success of a sway.

Do what has worked for most people, most of the time. Don't be tempted to skimp on a sway for this and don't get discouraged if you've swayed and haven't seen this happen, either.

[Mum4life]

Apart from a few cycles, af has always arrived in the morning for me. I have 4 boys.

[Filzma]

Extremely interesting. That’s one thing I didn’t consciously notice. AF has always shown at night for me and not too heavy not too light. I’m a mum to a DD.
Changed mid this year after lightly swaying to morning. Last month I begun properly swaying and AF showed mid morning but longer and heavier than usual... I don’t know what that means but will update...[emoji5]

[lovepink13]

My period has always come in the morning. I have one boy and am sure the one I am currently pregnant with is a boy as well.

[Bluedust]

Just to add to this interesting thread..

My AF always come first thing in the morning when i get out of bed, and it has been this way ever since I can remember. I have 2 daughters (didn't sway for them) just thought id add my experience.

[dreamofdaughter]

I hope this is true. My AF has started to come around 10pm to midnight. It used to start in the morning or afternoons. I'm TTC a girl.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey ladies, this is an open thread - we still want your experiences on this!! Please don't hesitate to chime in!

[SoFullofHope]

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[atomic sagebrush]

My period has always come in the morning. I have one boy and am sure the one I am currently pregnant with is a boy as well.

It was a girl tho! :cheer:

[lovepink13]

I posted earlier but wanted to update, my period has always come in the morning, even when swaying and I have a boy and am pregnant with a girl :)

[lovepink13]

It was a girl tho! :cheer:

Haha I just came on to update that! It sure is!!!!!!

[Eighme]

My periods used to arrive in the evenings (I have a boy) since starting LE they come in the mornings and are short and lighter than before.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you Eighme! Love your new avatar!

[onebigwish]

Just want to share my experience, i never noticed which time af came with my boys but probably in the morning. Today in this morning AF came, this is the cycle of our attempt...I’m waiting till CD3 to take clomid, so excited!

My Periods were always heavy and long 7/8 days but last cycle i noticed it was only 6days so hope thats a good sign.

[atomic sagebrush]

Lighter periods have seemed to be associated with pink sways (and vice versa.) We can't always predict if a sway is working on that basis but we have seen the majority of pink swayers developing shorter, lighter periods when on LE Diet. This happened to me and I did get a girl after an extremely short and light period.

[GirlmomXOXO]

So I’ve been on BC for well over 10 years, during this time my period also always came later in the afternoon and has been lighter....I got pregnant with my girls first round off the pill.

To start my sway these last couple months I’ve stopped taking my BC and did notice my period now comes first thing in the morning and is EXTREMELY heavy!

Hopefully that means my sway is in progress and my body is adjusting!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Birth control does alter your periods so you can't really draw any conclusions from that, unfortunately. It is super normal to have heavy periods coming off the pill. Good luck and blue dust headed your way!

[The Anchor]

:omg:
We need an emoji for "mind blown". LOL.

My AF as a teenager was awful, the worst cramps, so bad I would throw up. HEAVY. But still regular and ALWAYS morning. Like a PP, I didn't even know women got them in the afternoon or evening. They put me on BC to help with the cramps, which I was on for about 10 years. When I came off, perfect 28 day cycles, with the odd exception which, like atomic, were likely high exercise induced.

I have always been a HE kind of person. Definite boy mom. Diet/maternal dominance all me. I unknowingly swayed GIRL for my first. I lost 25 lbs in 3 months, my DH and I were going to Australia for a month and I wanted to look good :). I was a Jane Fonda cardio monster. I fell pregnant with her a week after we got back. I remember my period before I got pg was barely there, and it came in the afternoon (we were in Australia), and while I thought it was odd never really thought about it much, thought probably because of the weight loss.

Pregnant with her, back to my old HE habits, got my PP AF after 6 weeks (and yes, I was FT BF, but it came back!) and she is same as ever, 28 days and AF arrives around 7:00 am. I got pregnant with DS when she turned one.

The funny thing is, I was swaying for him, but it was SO EASY. Natural! I was on IG at the time, I remember one of the rules was to eliminate dairy, but when I did that I lost 10lbs! I remember asking Atomic if I should add it back in, she said yes, and sent me to her blog to read up on Trivers Willard.

Had to chime in, LOVE THIS!

[ABC.2606]

Sigh. My AF did get a lot lighter while swaying before my 3rd BFP in Feb, but I'm now on the 2nd AF since my D&C in March (8 weeks ago tomorrow) and both AFs since the D&C have been heavier - like my AFs before swaying. Atomic do you think that's just a result of the miscarriage and not that swaying is no longer working for me? I know AF can be heavier after m/c.

[atomic sagebrush]

yes, it's from the losses. The losses change the equation here.

[lovepink13]

Wanted to add my period got SO light when I started swaying. For a few months I couldn't even use tampons. By the time I got pregnant with my girl I was able to use a light tampon but probably could have gone with just a thicker panty liner. With my son I had regular 28 day cycles with 4 day periods that were medium-heavy.

[Sora]

That's weird, reading the thread a bit, I'm starting to wonder :worry:

I've always had heavy, atrocious periods since the very first one. Had to immediately use XXL tampons even though I was so small :tissue: and the pain... It would get a hold of my whole lower abdomen/back and not let go. And I had headaches as well.

Only good thing : my cycles quickly stabilized to a 28-days lenght and have been amazingly regular since. Only emotional trauma would disturb them and it would only last for a month before resuming... They lenghtened to 31-days a few months after my 26 birthday but kept their regularity to the hour (AF always start at 10-11pm). Not even the pregnancies would disturb them. Each time I stopped breastfeeding, AF would turn up the following month, to the hour, like nothing ever happened.

The diet did bring some changes (but nothing lenght-wise though it's totally okay with me) : my periods have become lighter and more importantly -> they don't hurt anymore. But, like, not at all. I feel nothing, only mood swings, even DH was surprised. I didn't think it was possible :omg:

But I hope it means the sway is working :nails:

[ForeverRestless]

Woha! This is so interesting! I never paid attention to it so I cannot confirm... but I think most of times AF comes in the morning or afternoon (i.e. this cycle). Never at night/evening.
Moreover (sorry TMI) I too have some hairs in the big toe, on my chin and also around my nipples. So darn annoying huh?! Lol
I always wondered if these things are related to some hormonal level...as far as I know I do not suffer from PCOS...
I am very curious if adhering to the LE diet will bring me some benefit in this sense, I would be so happy if it could make these hairs disappear and make a beautiful baby girl appear instead! ;-))))
Also good system to understand if the diet is working. I loved this thread!

[Sora]

Coming back after putting my sway on hold since September cause I will not be able to TTC for a few months...

After going back to my old ways, AF did return to a nightly occurence instead of morning one. It stayed light and painless for a while but this month was difficult, with the usual pain, headaches and such... I'm still taking the supps though so it's not some kind of not getting enough vits or minerals blabla...

Definitely something to do with what we eat and how much. Stress level and sleeping hours are the same as always.

[atomic sagebrush]

Woha! This is so interesting! I never paid attention to it so I cannot confirm... but I think most of times AF comes in the morning or afternoon (i.e. this cycle). Never at night/evening.
Moreover (sorry TMI) I too have some hairs in the big toe, on my chin and also around my nipples. So darn annoying huh?! Lol
I always wondered if these things are related to some hormonal level...as far as I know I do not suffer from PCOS...
I am very curious if adhering to the LE diet will bring me some benefit in this sense, I would be so happy if it could make these hairs disappear and make a beautiful baby girl appear instead! ;-))))
Also good system to understand if the diet is working. I loved this thread!

Most body hairs are genetic but you might benefit from doing the PCOS type diet anyway. You can find that here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html (although as you may have read earlier in the thread, my body hair really did respond to diet)

I just don't want you guys to read TOO much into when your period comes. It's by no means a guarantee, it's just something interesting we've observed and are keeping an eye on.

[4blue2pink]

every period i had since my youngest was born in jan started at bedtime
the one period i had that was different was the 1 of my bfp cycle which started at 8am and then i got a positive opk on cd14, with all the other cycles where af started at night id get pos opk on cd 17/18, this bfp cycle was just completely different! its almost as if my fertility kicked up a gear for whatever reason (i had been having no cm but had lots the bfp cycle) no idea if it means anything but this last cycle certainly didnt follow the pattern of the others.

[Throwaway_panther]

every period i had since my youngest was born in jan started at bedtime
the one period i had that was different was the 1 of my bfp cycle which started at 8am and then i got a positive opk on cd14, with all the other cycles where af started at night id get pos opk on cd 17/18, this bfp cycle was just completely different! its almost as if my fertility kicked up a gear for whatever reason (i had been having no cm but had lots the bfp cycle) no idea if it means anything but this last cycle certainly didnt follow the pattern of the others.

AHHHH ARE YOU ALREADY PREGNANT?! YAYAYAYAY!!!!


And not sure if I ever said anything updated on here, but I had only had one period before DD (came off continuous BC where me doctor and me purposely tried to prevent periods) and it came in the evening. For this BFP cycle, AF came in the morning -- but I doubt I'll be lucky enough to get my longed for son.

[4blue2pink]

AHHHH ARE YOU ALREADY PREGNANT?! YAYAYAYAY!!!!


And not sure if I ever said anything updated on here, but I had only had one period before DD (came off continuous BC where me doctor and me purposely tried to prevent periods) and it came in the evening. For this BFP cycle, AF came in the morning -- but I doubt I'll be lucky enough to get my longed for son.

Thankyou so much TP :heart: i have everything crossed for you!!

[Mom23blues]

I just wanted to add my experience in here as well!

I’ve always had my periods starting by ten am. When I started to sway, I phased into it initially by skipping breakfast and I noticed My period delayed by a few hours and continued to delay month by month the further into the sway I got. . By the cycle I conceived this baby (a girl) it started for the first time ever in the evening. Very interesting!

Also wanted to add- my periods did NOT get lighter at all on the sway. Much to my disappointment �� I was freaked out that would mean something but obviously it didn’t!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much! These experiences are invaulable!

[Pbn3]

Atomic I wonder if there is a more analytical way we could go about this theory. Obviously it would have to take in an insane amount of info, how long were you were on le/he diet, age, number of prior losses of any, exercise regime....

I honestly feel there is some correlation there (especially personally). If I ever come up with a formula to calculate it in my (hopeful) future studies (at the ripe at of 40 [emoji12]) I will come back and ask permission to use your records here to provide an analytical response! So excited by the thought!!!

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[Georgia_Peach]

Mine also always started as soon as I got out of bed in the mornings. I had 2 boys. After I started swaying it would come in the evening. I had my girls (lost one). In fact even now I have it start in the evenings.
Might be something to it.. although after going through ivf and having 11 embryos make it.. and 10 being females I am starting to wonder if my husband is only now carrying girls lol.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic I wonder if there is a more analytical way we could go about this theory. Obviously it would have to take in an insane amount of info, how long were you were on le/he diet, age, number of prior losses of any, exercise regime....

I honestly feel there is some correlation there (especially personally). If I ever come up with a formula to calculate it in my (hopeful) future studies (at the ripe at of 40 [emoji12]) I will come back and ask permission to use your records here to provide an analytical response! So excited by the thought!!!

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There probably is, but to be honest I find that our results here are too muddied to be of use. People are doing too many different things and there's just too much prior history to take into account.

What I would LOVE to do is to do a study where I simply had people who are not swaying report on when their period came and the gender of their baby. I would love to get rid of as many variables as possible and see if there is something to this aside from swaying.

But PLEASE keep me posted - any analysis you have I would love to hear! and I always love it when you guys use our info to shed more light on this situation.

[Sora]

There probably is, but to be honest I find that our results here are too muddied to be of use. People are doing too many different things and there's just too much prior history to take into account.

What I would LOVE to do is to do a study where I simply had people who are not swaying report on when their period came and the gender of their baby. I would love to get rid of as many variables as possible and see if there is something to this aside from swaying.

But PLEASE keep me posted - any analysis you have I would love to hear! and I always love it when you guys use our info to shed more light on this situation.

As far as I remember, period has always started late afternoon/evening/during the night (not counting the 5 years with BC). It used to cause me a lot of problems as a teenager because they weren't quite regular yet and... well, you do NOT want to wake up in the middle of the night with blood on your bed haha ! Was already vegetarian then, no real exercice, dieting, started skipping meals... Well yep can't even remember one month where it happened in the morning ! And I wasn't swaying at the time, obviously. My sway last summer was the first time AF happened in the mornings (switched from night to day a month or so into the diet) and it stayed that way even after stopping HE and going back to LE, so, til the start of winter at least... Now it starts night again.

I'm pretty sure the diet does something about it. Idk if it helps swaying at all, it may be more like some kind of symptom that your body has or lacks nutrients. My guess would be : if you're lacking, AF starts in the evening because you're supposed to rest and sleep then and it makes things easier (survival) and if you're not hungry, then it has no prob starting in the day because you're strong enough to manage the pain, tiredness, and so on... I did notice AF hurt less while doing HE. We'll see when I start swaying again, I'll keep you updated.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh gosh Sora I know. I had crazy irregular periods when I was in school (and I"ll be forever curious to know what the gender would have been if I'd had a baby then) so I'd go easily 2-3 months without anything happening and then whammo right in the middle of the day. 2-3 months is a long time to carry something with you everywhere and it's not like I could go back to my locker and get it either in the 3 miinutes between classes. Total nightmare!

Thanks for sharing your experience!

[Georgia_Peach]

Just wanted to add something. I am not swaying but trying to lose some of that extra baby weight and I've been doing keto for a month. Last month AF came in the evening like it has been now for years. Today, after 1 month of keto (high fat diet) it arrived right as I got out of bed in the morning just like when I conceived both my boys!
I really think the higher fats play a huge role on your body! This is very interesting to me.

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[Sora]

Just wanted to add something. I am not swaying but trying to lose some of that extra baby weight and I've been doing keto for a month. Last month AF came in the evening like it has been now for years. Today, after 1 month of keto (high fat diet) it arrived right as I got out of bed in the morning just like when I conceived both my boys!
I really think the higher fats play a huge role on your body! This is very interesting to me.

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Seems like a lot of people are doing keto. Since I can't TTC for now, I'm dieting again and I wanted to try that out. I wonder if it could help for a blue sway.

[atomic sagebrush]

Keto is fine for wegiht loss when not swaying but I don't recommend it for active blue swayers. Protein + carbs = boys and either a diet really high in carbs OR wtih NO carbs at all can inadvertently sway pink. We want a balanced diet with lots of nutrients and protein, fat, and carbs to make boys.

[Sora]

Keto is fine for wegiht loss when not swaying but I don't recommend it for active blue swayers. Protein + carbs = boys and either a diet really high in carbs OR wtih NO carbs at all can inadvertently sway pink. We want a balanced diet with lots of nutrients and protein, fat, and carbs to make boys.

Thanks atomic for your answer.

It's the high in carbs swaying pink that got me confused. I thought it would mean low in carbs could help sway blue.

[Jessirberger]

My AF isn't super consistent as far as time of day. Usually morning/day. BUT mine is weird in that my flow is "almost" always non-existent when sleeping. (Almost meaning that I can't risk not wearing a pad at night for fear of waking up to a godfather reenactment, but it's almost always bone dry [emoji23][emoji23])
I have 1 boy and am working on a pink sway.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks atomic for your answer.

It's the high in carbs swaying pink that got me confused. I thought it would mean low in carbs could help sway blue.

No that's not how swaying works - it's not always "do one thing for pink, do the opposite for blue".

A diet high in carbs means low in fat and protein, and likely less nutritionally balanced. Also, high carb diets for most people end up making blood sugar crash and end up low.

A diet low in carbs often means low in lots of nutrients that carbs provide, and also low carb diets can = low blood sugar. they're also oftentimes lower in calories than a diet that contains carbs. It's probably better for blue than a high carb diet but it's not as good as an HE Diet.

A diet with a good balance of carbs, protein, and fat means that you're getting all the available nutrients, and protein + carbs keeps blood sugar up longer. Protein + carbs = most boys conceived.

[atomic sagebrush]

My AF isn't super consistent as far as time of day. Usually morning/day. BUT mine is weird in that my flow is "almost" always non-existent when sleeping. (Almost meaning that I can't risk not wearing a pad at night for fear of waking up to a godfather reenactment, but it's almost always bone dry [emoji23][emoji23])
I have 1 boy and am working on a pink sway.

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That's not weird at all! Totally normal!! Mine is that way too. Just not quite enough of a sure thing to risk not wearing a pad overnight.

[LMSM]

I don’t think I ever gave feedback on my experience on this, so here goes:

Have since I started my period (I think I was 13) – had AF start late arvo at the earliest, but more often than not, in the middle of the night (total PITA – all the more because I have endometriosis and the pain was so strong that I couldn’t sleep!).
I started swaying early 2017, and started AF in the mornings within a month! I conceived our DD3 (so didn’t indicate blue for me alas) , and I haven’t had a real AF since her birth over a year ago (I started PPAF for a couple months when she was 6weeks-4months but then 4 months sleep regression and intense nursing hit – so have been co sleeping heaps= lots of close contact/nursing- and haven’t had AF since!).
I’m kind of hoping to get AF soon – more so I can have plenty of time to see what pattern my cycles follow before TTC – I am feeling close to ready to wean but boob is my only real parenting tool at night so I can get sooome rest haha
:FX:

[atomic sagebrush]

bumping for more responses!

[tambot]

For both my boys and as far as I can remember, my AF is there when I wake up in the morning so I don't know exactly what time it comes. I'm swaying pink and have been on the LE diet for 2.5 months. Just started my AF 2 days ago and it seems like it's a lot lighter and I'm almost done. Normally I have to wear overnight pads for days and AF lasts ~7 days. Another note, my current cycle was delayed by 1-2 weeks on top of my already irregular cycle. Not sure if that means anything but I hope I'm on the right track for a girl! I was thinking my AF was changing bc maybe I'm not getting enough nutrients or not eating enough?

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[Thirdtimelucky01]

How interesting! For as long as I remember my period started in the morning, or at least by lunchtime. I have two boys and swaying pink. After 2.5 months on LE diet and cardio my period started in the afternoon this time around. It’s also lighter and shorter than normal (4-5 days instead of 6-7). My cycle is also getting shorter (from 31-32 days to 26-28). I’m hoping I’m on the right track!


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[TA Sait]

I've had medium to heavy periods with noticeable cramps since I started. My periods were always in the morning or afternoon and I have a DS.
When I was on LE diet I noticed drastic changes in my periods being very light flow and no much cramps and it started after 4PM, getting more in late evenings or night every cycle I was ttc pink & on LE. The month I got a bfp, AF started right when I hit the bed at around 11:30pm (never had em so late before)

Hope there is some truth to this.
I am 30+3 today, will surely update when the little bean is here... FX for pink

[atomic sagebrush]

For both my boys and as far as I can remember, my AF is there when I wake up in the morning so I don't know exactly what time it comes. I'm swaying pink and have been on the LE diet for 2.5 months. Just started my AF 2 days ago and it seems like it's a lot lighter and I'm almost done. Normally I have to wear overnight pads for days and AF lasts ~7 days. Another note, my current cycle was delayed by 1-2 weeks on top of my already irregular cycle. Not sure if that means anything but I hope I'm on the right track for a girl! I was thinking my AF was changing bc maybe I'm not getting enough nutrients or not eating enough?

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We're seeing the ligher flow in people who are definitely eating within LE guidelines. I know it's very worrying to people but it seems to be a (usually welcome) side effect of swaying pink and it does not seem to be harming anyone's chances of conception.

[atomic sagebrush]

We're seeing the ligher flow in people who are definitely eating within LE guidelines. I know it's very worrying to people but it seems to be a (usually welcome) side effect of swaying pink and it does not seem to be harming anyone's chances of conception.

Oh and in terms of not eating enough - we usually see changes like delayed ovulation and super short LP FIRST when people have trouble conceiving due to lack of adequate nutrients, so if you're not having that kind of change, just look at the lighter period as a perk LOL

[TA Sait]

I've had medium to heavy periods with noticeable cramps since I started. My periods were always in the morning or afternoon and I have a DS.
When I was on LE diet I noticed drastic changes in my periods being very light flow and no much cramps and it started after 4PM, getting more in late evenings or night every cycle I was ttc pink & on LE. The month I got a bfp, AF started right when I hit the bed at around 11:30pm (never had em so late before)

Hope there is some truth to this.
I am 30+3 today, will surely update when the little bean is here... FX for pink

Update- It's a girl.. This thread has some truth definitely.. I am so happy...

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Interesting observations! I started LE diet in September and by November I had my period starting at 6pm but then the last two cycles they start around midday again even though my diet is still the same and I lost a bit more weight since then. Do you think it means anything at all? My cycles are also alternating, one month 26–27 days, followed by a 32 day cycle!!!


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[Sora]

Interesting observations! I started LE diet in September and by November I had my period starting at 6pm but then the last two cycles they start around midday again even though my diet is still the same and I lost a bit more weight since then. Do you think it means anything at all? My cycles are also alternating, one month 26–27 days, followed by a 32 day cycle!!!


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I have had the same happen to me. I always had my periods at night. Starting HE diet, it moved to the mornings or midday. But lately it had been back to evenings... Though it's hard to tell because I think BD regularly and a bit roughly can start AF sooner sometimes. So hard to say if it would have come in the mornings if we didn't do anything or not. Although I hope it doesn't mean my body went back into pink territory because I couldn't follow HE 100% at the time it started in the evenings again. Of course I still wasn't going back to LE and not loosing weight, rather, gaining it.

What changed though and didn't go away was that I had symptoms of O now and could feel them very well whereas before, I couldn't tell at all when I was nearing O physically, though my calendar said it was fertile window.

[atomic sagebrush]

^^^ You guys, this is a definite thing - sex can bring on your period a bit early so if you're swaying blue and are suddenly getting it at night because you're having sex more often, that is NOT the same thing as it coming at a different tme of day due to your sway. I would not worry about this one bit!

[Thirdtimelucky01]

^^^ You guys, this is a definite thing - sex can bring on your period a bit early so if you're swaying blue and are suddenly getting it at night because you're having sex more often, that is NOT the same thing as it coming at a different tme of day due to your sway. I would not worry about this one bit!

What if I’m swaying pink and having sex 2-3 times a month (hardly often) and my period goes back to midday starts again after a month or two of starting in the afternoon (since LE diet started)? What do you think it may mean? Am I not doing the diet well?


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[atomic sagebrush]

What if I’m swaying pink and having sex 2-3 times a month (hardly often) and my period goes back to midday starts again after a month or two of starting in the afternoon (since LE diet started)? What do you think it may mean? Am I not doing the diet well?


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I don't think it means anything and you shouldn't read anything into it. This thread is simply meant to catalogue an interesting observation some of us are having, but there are tons of exceptions to it and I don't want anyone to read this and get worried about when their period is coming. It's normal for there to be fluctuation.

[Sora]

I don't think it means anything and you shouldn't read anything into it. This thread is simply meant to catalogue an interesting observation some of us are having, but there are tons of exceptions to it and I don't want anyone to read this and get worried about when their period is coming. It's normal for there to be fluctuation.

Agreed. There are so many things that can start or delay your period, even with those of us who have them so regularly they could time it, that it's hard to read anything into it. Sex can start it, stress can delay it (by delaying O), medication, illness, shock, a sudden effort, a fall... You can never really tell if it was THE hour or if something gave it a head start.

[4blue2pink]

came across this thread and thought id update since i posted with both my team green pregnancies.
my first post, af hadnt changed during sway (starting mid/late morning as it always had) but started at night for the first time the month i got bfp..baby was a boy.
second post, pink sway, af had been coming at night for a few months but then came in the morning the month of bfp..baby was also a boy.
since that baby was born all my af have come on at bedtime and are lighter (no swaying or diet changes) it seems to be the new routine and i'll be interested to see what happens if i do get another bfp :)

[GirlmomXOXO]

Im attempting a blue sway after 3 girls.
I started my period in the middle of the night Friday. It literally woke me up! Has never happened to me before! Could this be a sign my blue sway is working and that this month will be a really good time to try!

I thought I had a good attempt last cycle but hoping this one will be the perfect one!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I can't say if it's meaningful for any one person, it's just one of those interesting observations we keep seeing, so that's why we have this thread going. Thanks for sharing your experience!

[atomic sagebrush]

My period has always come in the morning. I have one boy and am sure the one I am currently pregnant with is a boy as well.

Sometimes I stumble onto these posts from people who were just 1000% sure they were having a sway opposite and then found out they were getting their DG. This poor gal drove herself (and me TBH) bonkers analyzing symptoms and was inconsolably convinced she was having a boy. But nope!

Symptoms don't predict gender, ladies!

[coffee]

this cycle I go for a walk for about one hour
after I get home about 40 minutes at night my af started
Does sport affect period starting time ?!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it absolutely can trigger your period to come at a different time of day. That is very common and wouldn't indicate anything about swaying.