Swaying for pink next month...help please :)

[luv4pink]

Firstly, I have two boys but I'm on my last chance to conceive a girl. I'm hoping to start next month ttc. Also just to put it out there I haven't had any Problems conceiving.

I have been exercising and intermittent fasting for about 6-7 weeks.
I don't drink tea or coffee. Very rarely alocohol too. I've cut a lot of gluten from my diet. But have a very sweet tooth which is probably my biggest down fall. I'm 5'5 and weigh about 58.5kg so not really much more weight to lose.
I know of the LE Diet but not 100% sure what it's about?
I skip breakfast, lunch is usually 2x gluten free bread with cheese & tomato. Dinner is usually salad and/or veges with protein (I don't eat much red meat). I stay away from bananas, oats, and reduced a lot of salt from my diet. Am I doing everything right? What about eggs? Tuna?
What fruits & veges are ok to eat for a pink sway?
Also does sex position & orgasms still have an effect on a sway?
Lastly my husband is almost 42yrs old. Super fit, cycles 5 days a week so I think he's good for a pink sway. But what about in the lead up to ovulation? Once I've finished my period do we try every 4 days Ive read somewhere or is it more/less over 40? I usually have a 29-30 day cycle so when should I stop trying?

Lastly, in the morning I have been having a chocolate magnesium powder, It's for energy. With this I take 'metagenics neurocalm' and a harmony balancing tablet which is fr pms, bloating etc.
Should I stop taking these or is there ingredients I should check for that aren't good for a sway? They're mainly plant based extract ingredients from my naturopath.

Thanks in advance for your help
Luv4pink

[3RussianPrincesses]

As a Mom of 3 girls (Got pregnant on the First try all 3 times), I can tell you my husband and I did none of that.
The only thing we did was have sex every single day from the time my period ended till a week before my supposed "missed period". So yes Lots of sex for almost 3 weeks. My husband is an Auto Mechanic by trade and his only "working out" was at work. He's a total nerd who loves video games. My husband is Russian so we ate a mix of Russian and American foods (I am american). However we have always been an alcohol free family. My husband tho, drinks red bull like water.
After 3 girls, my husband is now praying and hoping for a boy, so I joined to hopefully get tips on giving the son he has always wanted.

Sending pink dust your way!

[atomic sagebrush]

As a Mom of 3 girls (Got pregnant on the First try all 3 times), I can tell you my husband and I did none of that.
The only thing we did was have sex every single day from the time my period ended till a week before my supposed "missed period". So yes Lots of sex for almost 3 weeks. My husband is an Auto Mechanic by trade and his only "working out" was at work. He's a total nerd who loves video games. My husband is Russian so we ate a mix of Russian and American foods (I am american). However we have always been an alcohol free family. My husband tho, drinks red bull like water.
After 3 girls, my husband is now praying and hoping for a boy, so I joined to hopefully get tips on giving the son he has always wanted.

Sending pink dust your way!

I have seen tons of girls conceived to guys who drink lots of Red Bull. I would see if he could stop drinking that so much and maybe even switch over to tea if poss.

[atomic sagebrush]

Short version of LE Diet is here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/16780-low-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html

It's time to put the brakes on and stop that weight loss. If you lose too much you'll stop ovulating.

Most of us have given up the sodium thing totally and our results only went UP when we did. It's fine if you want to continue limiting it but just wanted you to know that.

LE Diet is all about limits and not magic foods. As long as you're in the limits for the day for protein, fat, and calories, there are not forbidden foods. Many people do like to go fully vegetarian, you don't have to if you don't want, at your discretion. Re tuna - any women TTC should keep this to no more than 2x a week absolute max due to mercury risks.

We don't know. Most people do try to start off using position and no female O to sway. We haven't found these to be predictive of whose sways will succeed or fail, but most do start off that way.

I would ahve you wean off the pills you're taking. They have nutrients in them, not unlike a prenatal vitamin, and we've found that taking multivitamins or prenatals sways strongly blue.

Husband cycling has been proven in studies to sway pink. :agree:

[luv4pink]

Thanks for getting back to me atomic. I might have to start tracking my diet more. I'm finding I'm quite hungry which is leading me to reach for Chocolate a lot ��
Sorry just one last question in regards to my husbands age. As mentioned above, he's almost 42 so abstaining is a no go? Also should we Be trying every 2-4 days until +OPK?
Thanks ��

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, abstain is no go for 42 year old.

You can either BD unprotected every 4 days (NOT every 2!!) OR have him release daily on his own or with you, with a condom, for 7-10 days before one attempt at either positive OPK or cutoff whichever you prefer OR have him release on his own or iwth you, with a condom every 2-4 days before one attempt at pos OPK or cutoff.

[luv4pink]

Ok thanks atomic. I think we'll go to every 4 days unprotected.
So just to make sure I have it all right, my cycle is 30 days with ovulation roughly on day 16. So in this case, we would have unprotected sex on day 6,10 & lastly day 14?
Sorry for all the questions I just want to make sure I get it right ����

[luv4pink]

Sorry just to add on to the above question... I've been reading a lot on exercise. I generally am doing cardio about 2-3 times a week. Do I have to stop this if I can't do the recommended 6-7 times a week? Is it better to do all or nothing type scenario? Also is weight training not recommended on a pink sway?

[atomic sagebrush]

I do not like having you aim for specific cycle days. Just start the day after AF ends and count the every 4 days as you go along and you need to continue that after O as well in case of delayed O.

Re exercise, it's been getting such good results that if someone is already doing it, I am having them continue. We don't know if there is a "magic" amount of exercise, all that was just speculation, and so as long as you're not gaining weight on a high protein diet yes please continue

[luv4pink]

Ok thanks so much for your reply. I'll keep up the exercise because I really enjoy it, and I'll also start with every 4 days after AF.
Would this be your recommendation for me considering my husbands age (DH 42 DW 32)? Or is there a better alternative that you think would sway pink?

Lastly my husband takes Propecia (also known as Finasteride) for hair thinning. It's a 0.25mg per day dose, so pretty low. Do you know if this will have any effect on the sway for pink? It's not a necessity that he take it so if you feel it'll strongly sway blue then he's happy to give it up.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts ��

[atomic sagebrush]

Some people might have hubby release on his own every 2-4 days and keep the one attempt, but I think that the e4d method is the best approach for you here. I also discussed the other options above.

Propecia should sway pink.

[luv4pink]

Hi atomic,
Thanks for your reply. I have been thinking I should buy a sway plan as I'm really struggling to get my calories up. Im Too worried to get my cals up, then I just end up starving myself. Would the 21 day meal plan be a good idea or is another plan better?

I started on this LE diet roughly early February 17. mainly skipping breakfast, and I was having a very low cal diet but I was snacking inbetween when hungry (which I know is a no-no) but due to the amount of exercise I was doing.
We were hoping to try this month. Do you think it's been long enough? I have had cheat days along the way & totally blown out on cals but I'm hoping it's not going to affect overall,results?
I felt like maybe if i brought a plan it would probably actually give me more than what I'm eating anyway. Below is a sample of what I have been eating

Skip breakfast
Eat lunch around 11-12
3x rice cakes
Hommus
Carrots & cucumber
Small yoplait yogurt
Dinner is generally chicken with some veges or salad (I do add oil & vinegar in salads is that ok?
I've been doing GLuten free bread, pasta and also only using brown rice/quinoa . Should I swap to,white?
Snack might b some chocolate?

I've recently incorporated wine. Don't drink coffee but can add soft drink if u think it's better?

Please let me know your thoughts. I'm happy to buy a plan & it may stop me from binges when I'm ridiculously hungry esp if it takes a while to get pregnant.

[atomic sagebrush]

The custom plan has everything but diet. The 21 day diet book has lots of meal ideas and recipes but is NOT customized. So if you were thinking you'd get a menu for yourself to follow that's not what the custom plan entails.

RE time on diet, we've seen best results with 12 weeks or more but anything longer than 6-8 is in decent range. You may not even get pregnant that first month or even two so that may be a wise move.

Do you have totals? Fat, protein, cals??

you know not to count the protein and fat in fruits and veg, and then you count NOTHING in low carb veg like cucumbers. So you may need to eat even more.

Oil and vinegar in salads is fine.

I would just keep eating what is working for you. The white bread thing has not seemed to make any difference and in fact we may be seeing better results with whole grains (we aren't sure yet)

No known benefit to soft drink. Only coffee.

[luv4pink]

Thanks atomic.

So theres 2 bundles I was looking at.
One was $99 and one was $139. Do these not come with customized plans? I was just reading people's sways & they mentioned 'did u buy a personalized plan' or something similar?
As you can imagine im on my last shot & I really want to get this right. Or at least know I've tried 100%.
Sorry what did you think was a wise move? Buying a plan?

So basically I've been counting any starchy veges like potato, but anything like broccoli, cauliflower, capsicum, carrots I haven't been counting at all? And fruit I was counting protein & fat but mainly bcos my calorie king calcs it. I generally only have 1 piece a day.

So snacking is a no-no. Do I suggest 2 big meals? I'm not sure how everyone would make the cal intake by not having at least one snack?

I think once I hear back from you re:plan I'll get over & buy one. Might make this process slightly less stressful

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, both of them come with the Custom Plan (but be sure you're getting the one that says personalized or custom plan and NOT the premade, standard, ready made plan, since we do also sell a version for people who don't want a Custom plan). They just come with a different set of books and stuff.

"A wise move" may be to start TTC sooner, after only 6-8 weeks on diet, because if you want to do any stricter sway tactics (like timing, jelly, frequency, antihistamine) you may not be able to get pregnant that first month out anyway. If you're thin you may end up losing too much weight.

Low carb veg are free, count nothing in them. Higher carb veg count only calories, not protein and fat. Same with fruit - only cals on that. If you're using a cal counter just remember your protein is actually a bit lower than you think and you can eat a smidge more to make up for the amount it's adding on via the fruit and potato.

2 or 3 meals, whichever is better for you. I always did three, but some prefer 2. 3 meals is NOT SNACKING. It is totally fine to eat 3 meals, you just push back the first meal a bit.

[luv4pink]

Ok great I've just purchased the $99 TTC pink bundle :)
Where do I head to enter my info? And are there links to download all the other ebooks?

[atomic sagebrush]

The books should just appear to you in the forums. Questionnaires are here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/misc.php?do=forms You have to scroll down a smidge as a couple different forms are also in this section

Occasionally you have to log out and then log back in again before they show up to you.

[luv4pink]

Thanks atomic. I have just filled them in but I think the first form might have gone through before I was ready. If so, just let me know and I'll fill in any blanks.

Do you need to wait for your private forum to start asking questions or do you have access to this now?

Mainly just have questions on timing, opks etc. AF due any day & as you Recommended e4d was just wanted to see the reasoning behind this out of curiousity as most do one attempt at +OPK for a few cycles?

[luv4pink]

Any thoughts on the above atomic?
Can i start my private thread now my subscription is paid?

[Taz]

Hi Atomic

I am hoping you can help me! I have been reading your threads for weeks now and taken in so much information and its all fascinating yet overwhelming!

I have two gorgeous boys and my last chance now to try get get a baby girl!

I am pre menstrual and hoping to start trying when I next ovulate as I have a 5 year age gap between my boys and as my youngest is already 3 I am not wanting another large gap so need to get knocked up asap!

I have PCOS - been plateaud at my current weight since june last year despite a healthy active lifestyle so I put it down to hormones. I have started the LE diet but struggling and think I am consuming too little calories in a day. I do no breakfast, greek yoghurt and berries or a salad for lunch and a salad with some brown rice for dinner. If I am peckish I have corn thin crackers and a smudge of peanut butter. I just dont know what else I could eat - I can't have much of bread and pasta due to it causing tummy issues.

I have been taking:
magnesium and calcium and cranberry
I take evening primrose oil for hormones - should I stop this?
I take metagenics Plift which I think contains vitex for my PCOS - should I stop this?


I have liquorice root on its way for hubby and I will get him on the cranberry too. He is very active but not really on LE diet.
I have replens, acigel to use after my period and I will use silk as lube.

I fell pregnant straight away with both boys - DS2 was with chinese meds and acupuncture to get regular. Hubby seems to be super fertile despite my bung ovaries!we are both 28

I get really confused on the timing and frequency thing! I have read all info on here but still left not knowing our best option. I initially thought DTD every day after period till a couple days prior to ovulation? Then I thought maybe abstaining till a couple days prior to O? is there a specific number here? can it be too long between times for this method? Is longer better? What would you suggest for us?

I would love any insight and advise. is there anything I am doing that needs to be changed? what method would you suggest to give us the best odds.

I only started the diet this week and did my first PH test today and came back at 5. I know we are going into this a little rushed and unprepared but I hadn't realised how much would go into it and I dont really want to wait too long in case it does take a while to conceive due to PCOS as I did have surgery on my ovaries last year so that may have changed things? that and the age gap issue. And I have finally got hubby on board and we dont want him backing out!

he was all excited at the thought of DTD everyday but Im sure I can talk him round if there are better options for us! I won't need persuading, especially as I won't be able to O :P

I hope thats all the info you need!

Thank you so much!

[ELP]

Taz, I would copy and paste your question and start a new thread, you will get more replies that way :) Put PCOS in your tiltle and oher members with similar experience may be able to offer some good advice.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks atomic. I have just filled them in but I think the first form might have gone through before I was ready. If so, just let me know and I'll fill in any blanks.

Do you need to wait for your private forum to start asking questions or do you have access to this now?

Mainly just have questions on timing, opks etc. AF due any day & as you Recommended e4d was just wanted to see the reasoning behind this out of curiousity as most do one attempt at +OPK for a few cycles?

I have it! Will get to work ASAP

Let me go back and reread your original post and see why I suggested e4d.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, abstain is no go for 42 year old.

You can either BD unprotected every 4 days (NOT every 2!!) OR have him release daily on his own or with you, with a condom, for 7-10 days before one attempt at either positive OPK or cutoff whichever you prefer OR have him release on his own or iwth you, with a condom every 2-4 days before one attempt at pos OPK or cutoff.

I gave you several options here.

[atomic sagebrush]

Taz, I would copy and paste your question and start a new thread, you will get more replies that way :) Put PCOS in your tiltle and oher members with similar experience may be able to offer some good advice.

Yes please Taz, do that or else bump this post as it's quite late here and theres a lot to cover in your post.

[luv4pink]

Yes I know there were several options but was just seeing what the best option was for myself & DH, ie which one considering our ages, etc would give us the best attempt at a girl sway. For us e4d is good, prob the easiest option but alternatively if that's not getting the best results I'll try the other methods? At the end of the day I'd like to try the best result first then ease up into something else if it starts taking a while TTC...
I've brought the clear blue opks & started charting, so do u BD once it's peak fertility symbol? I think it's low, high & peak smiley faces the clear blue opks give you..::

[Nemcemger]

Atomic, can I ask why abstain at 42 or older not good? Mu husband is 49 and you suggest every 4 days or the other options you mentioned above? Thank you

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I know there were several options but was just seeing what the best option was for myself & DH, ie which one considering our ages, etc would give us the best attempt at a girl sway. For us e4d is good, prob the easiest option but alternatively if that's not getting the best results I'll try the other methods? At the end of the day I'd like to try the best result first then ease up into something else if it starts taking a while TTC...
I've brought the clear blue opks & started charting, so do u BD once it's peak fertility symbol? I think it's low, high & peak smiley faces the clear blue opks give you..::

e4d is getting good results but it's new and we don't have as many results for as long a time as the one attempt. So I tend to "trust" the one attempt more because it's been around longer and is more proven to me than the e4d which could turn out to be completely better, but I simply don't have the data to say.

None of these things can be compared anyway because different groups of people do them. You cannot compare the resutls between young people who are super fertile and conceive in a month of trying (like the people who conceive with abstain + one attempt tend to be) and may be totally "set" for boys, to a couple who has gone on for 6 months not getting pregnant and has had to go to e4d, has had longer on diet and exercise, etc. These may make the stats misleading and make some tactics look more or less effective than they really are.

Neither FR or abstain has been effective in our results, so if you're taking that into consideration, keep in mind that they don't seem to add anything. Both e4d and one attempt (with any release pattern) have been better. So if you know that FR will be a challenge, do regular release or let him "do what he does" with one attempt, or go to every 4 days instead.

RE when to BD, it depends again on what YOU want. Do you want to try timing at first? Or do you not care about that and just want best odds of conception with one attempt?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I know there were several options but was just seeing what the best option was for myself & DH, ie which one considering our ages, etc would give us the best attempt at a girl sway. For us e4d is good, prob the easiest option but alternatively if that's not getting the best results I'll try the other methods? At the end of the day I'd like to try the best result first then ease up into something else if it starts taking a while TTC...
I've brought the clear blue opks & started charting, so do u BD once it's peak fertility symbol? I think it's low, high & peak smiley faces the clear blue opks give you..::

e4d is getting good results but it's new and we don't have as many results for as long a time as the one attempt. So I tend to "trust" the one attempt more because it's been around longer and is more proven to me than the e4d which could turn out to be completely better, but I simply don't have the data to say.

None of these things can be compared anyway because different groups of people do them. You cannot compare the resutls between young people who are super fertile and conceive in a month of trying (like the people who conceive with abstain + one attempt tend to be) and may be totally "set" for boys, to a couple who has gone on for 6 months not getting pregnant and has had to go to e4d, has had longer on diet and exercise, etc. These may make the stats misleading and make some tactics look more or less effective than they really are.

Neither FR or abstain has been effective in our results, so if you're taking that into consideration, keep in mind that they don't seem to add anything. Both e4d and one attempt (with any release pattern) have been better. So if you know that FR will be a challenge, do regular release or let him "do what he does" with one attempt, or go to every 4 days instead.

RE when to BD, it depends again on what YOU want. Do you want to try timing at first? Or do you not care about that and just want best odds of conception with one attempt?

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, can I ask why abstain at 42 or older not good? Mu husband is 49 and you suggest every 4 days or the other options you mentioned above? Thank you

I have an essay about it here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/8801-articles-studies-about-why-abstain-not-good-males-over-35-a.html

[luv4pink]

So I was basically going to do e4d once I've finished AF (which should be by this Friday) and then stop once I get a +opk? Is this basically what you mean by one attempt with any release pattern? I understand e4d is newer but maybe doing the one attempt first would be a good starting place ?So it would be e4d stopping at +opk? I apologize for all the questions & getting more clarification, I'm just want to get it right & as this will be our first month TTC I know I'm going to slightly obsess over this.

As for BD I'm More keen to try timing rather than just getting a BFP the first month. I obv really want this to succeed so trying everything & will try whatever has the best results first, then if It doesn't work we can maybe adjust my plan from there....

[luv4pink]

Also once u get +opk is there anytime in particular you should BD? My opks (clear blue) state to test the morning urine, which is fine, but do u have to BD straight away? Or wait until night when it's more convenient? Or does that even matter?

Lastly J&D? I'm new to these abbreviations but is this basically getting straight up after unprotected sex & going to the toilet? (Sorry if that's TMI) Is this what u should do for a girl sway?

[atomic sagebrush]

1)Whenever convenient. That night is fine.

2) Yes, it's getting up right away or after 5 minutes (most do 5 min. which is what I recommend as a good compromise between swaying and odds of conception). I got my girl laying down all night, so if this doesn't work out, while I have seen a small improvement in success rates with J and D, I know firsthand that you can still get a girl without it.

[luv4pink]

Re:timing.....

So I was basically going to do e4d once I've finished AF (which should be by this Friday) and then stop once I get a +opk? Is this basically what you mean by one attempt with any release pattern? I understand e4d is newer but maybe doing the one attempt first would be a good starting place ?So it would be e4d stopping at +opk? I apologize for all the questions & getting more clarification, I'm just want to get it right & as this will be our first month TTC I know I'm going to slightly obsess over this.

As for BD I'm More keen to try timing rather than just getting a BFP the first month. I obv really want this to succeed so trying everything & will try whatever has the best results first, then if It doesn't work we can maybe adjust my plan from the

[atomic sagebrush]

If you want to do timing then no, you shouldn't do e4d. Have your husband do whatever release pattern you would like him to do but just have one unprotected attempt that first month. If you want timing, then you'd try to do this 2-3 days before ovulation. If you don't care about timing, then have that one attempt at positive OPK.

[luv4pink]

How does this work if I don't know when u ovulate? I'd still prob need to use opk to get close to O? As charting won't tell u until after it's happened (just started charting last month) and LE has changed my cycles by a few days.
Last month was 31 days, with O on day 18. Going off last month I could DTD on day 16 but obviously cycle could change again this month & I could O on day 16. Would this (even if it was 1 attempt) make it very blue friendly if u DTD on O day?

[ELP]

I believe its the single attempt rather than closeness to ov that is swaying :) For blue swayers we are aiming for multiple attempts around ov. We aren't sure why these things send different signals to our bodies but they do seem to be working!

[atomic sagebrush]

How does this work if I don't know when u ovulate? I'd still prob need to use opk to get close to O? As charting won't tell u until after it's happened (just started charting last month) and LE has changed my cycles by a few days.
Last month was 31 days, with O on day 18. Going off last month I could DTD on day 16 but obviously cycle could change again this month & I could O on day 16. Would this (even if it was 1 attempt) make it very blue friendly if u DTD on O day?

If you want to do timing with irregular ovulation, it can be tricky but what some people do is use a Clearblue or Ovacue and then BD on the second HIGH reading (instead of waiting for first PEAK)

Timing doesn't work. It doesn't sway, and most of us on here have the opposites to prove it (many!! LOL) So please don't worry about DTD on O Day, it's been proven that 50-50 B and G are conceived every day of fertile window.

[luv4pink]

Omg atomic This is all so confusing ��
I have the clearblue opk I've just brought. So with those They say, low fertility, high fertility and the last one which it apparently stays on until surge is over is peak fertility. So I would DTD on 'high fertility'?

So from all this info, I will get my DH to either release on his own or with me (protected) maybe every 4 days (he's 42) then have one attempt at opk high fertility? NOT peak? Is it ok to use the good old KY lube?

I also haven't heard back from any re:my customised plan? Just checking to see how long these usually take. Thanks :)

[atomic sagebrush]

If you want timing, then YES, you'd BD on the second high.

If you don't care about timing and want best chance of conception with one attempt, BD on first peak.

Be aware if aiming for second high, that you may get LOTS of days of high, or you may go straight to peak with no high, so you may want to have in the back of your mind what you'll do if that is the case.

Most of this is going to be covered in your custom plan. I have your questionnaire, your plan is up next. My husband and daughter were deathly ill this week but he's back at work today so I plan to do several plans this afternoon. If you want me to email your plan right away, PM me your email address and I'll send the original to you. Otherwise I'll send to tech support where they reformat it for me in downloadable form and that can take them an additional day or so.

[luv4pink]

Oh sorry to hear that atomic, I hope they're both on the mend & feeling better soon!! If the plan will only be another couple of days then I'm happy to wait.

To be honest I really don't know which option to take. I obviously want to sway for a girl & whichever stats are getting the best results I'd prob like to try first then adapt from there if need be.
Will my plan determine the best course of action for me & DH according to the info we've supplied or does it just give us options like you've stated above and we
Make the choice?

[atomic sagebrush]

She's ok, I'm rather worried about him as he never complains about anything and he went to bed for 2 days straight!!

I did the plan and sent it in, I don't know how long it will take to post it, I hope soon. If not just message me your email and I'll send the original along so you can have a look.

RE the stats - we can't just do what the stats say as they can be quite misleading. I take a LOT of stuff into account when I make the plans and my recommendations that is not reflected in the stats and you can read more about that here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html

The plans are a little of both - the things I feel strongly about I state, the things that are up to you, I leave up to you. The thing is that some of this stuff (in fact, nearly all of it) we simply cannot know what is best because we don't have the quality of data we would need to know which option is better for any one couple. So some of it, I literally HAVE TO toss the ball back to you, because it is your life and your sway and you have to do what you can live with and what feels right to you. Examples being - calcium, timing. It was super easy for me to give up on calcium and timing since I knew I had gotten boys with them. (Many LOL) I was able to walk away from those quite happily with no worries at all. But others can't do that, they feel like there is something there that they want or need to try and so I try to keep those available for you guys to use if you want to. It does you no good to hear that I personally dropped those things and got my girl if you really want to use them, you know?? So some of this simply has to come down to what YOU want. your sway, your way. :)

[luv4pink]

yep you definitely know it's bad when they do that! Speedy recovery for them both :)
Ok if I don't receive it in the next day or so I might msg you. I'm really keen to get started with the custom sway plan you've put together.

Yes I totally get where your coming from, and I think us pink swayers especially get very OCD. I know with my first DS our specialist at the time recommended every second day DTD, and obviously that resulted in a boy. As for my second DS that was just a 'whenever it happens' approach and that resulted in a 2nd boy.
I don't feel like this Info helps me much in eliminating any approaches either unfortunately:(
as for diet, I think I ate anything & everything. So cutting down and taking out snacks (which was huge for me) will be something to definitely try. I've lost more weight since I submitted my plan. I'm prob more 57kg and bmi of 20.9 so wouldn't like to lose much more weight. I'm finding My fats & protein are within the ranges you've stated (almost at the limit of high end of range though ) but my cals are prob about 1500ish so I'll obviously need to adjust what I'm eating then? Or bcos I'm still losing weight it's ok? I know protein & fats are the 'bad guys' so wondering if this is an issue?

[atomic sagebrush]

Time to hold steady where you're at! Aim to hold steady and then if a lb or two sneak off, it's not a big issue

Pro and fat aren't "bad guys" per se, just that e need to keep them within limits. Don't worry if you're high in the range, that is totally fine!

[luv4pink]

Ok great, thank you! Also in regards to diet, if your going to have a cheat day/meal is it better to have it after AF and before O or in your 2 WW?
I've had a lot on this weekend & gone way Over on all areas. I always feel guilty, and I think bcos this will be my first month TTC I'm just hoping I haven't ruined my sway (on day 10 of a roughly 31 day cycle).
I was reading something about being really strict during implantation bcos of the glucose levels & XX sperm?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that cheat days are best used as needed because you never know when some weird occasion comes along and you ahve no choice but to go off diet for a day. Yes, in the 2WW is prob. best but don't be too keyed into that.

RE "really strict during implantation" - what was happening was that people decided they only need to do diet 2 weeks out of the month. So they would diet from AF-O and then stop from O-AF. I do NOT want people to go off diet for half the month, that's a dumb idea. But that does not therefore mean you should be extra strict, just eat normally without going off the diet for 2 weeks!!!

[luv4pink]

Ok thanks. Was just feeling super guilty bcos I had 2 occasions now the weekend that meant I couldn't stick to LE. I did eat vegetarian, but still more calories than I should of had.
I have also sent u PM with my email as I haven't received my plan yet

[luv4pink]

Hi Atomic I have sent u a PM with my email as I still haven't received my plan yet. I would like to get it asap as I'm approaching O and would like to see your advice. Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

I have the message, I'll send the plan when I get up to my desktop computer (on laptop now)

[luv4pink]

URGENT QUESTION!!
Got my flashing smiley face on my clear blue opk. I believe this means high fertility NOT peak. Should I DTD today for my one attempt TTC girl? Or am I too early?
DH has been doing his own thing every 3-4 days.
I don't have my plan & with time difference I'm not sure I'll get it from atomic in time. Any help would b greatly appreciated

[Pbn3]

Luv4pink did you get my pm reply?

[luv4pink]

Yes I did Pbn3 thank you so much :)

[atomic sagebrush]

URGENT QUESTION!!
Got my flashing smiley face on my clear blue opk. I believe this means high fertility NOT peak. Should I DTD today for my one attempt TTC girl? Or am I too early?
DH has been doing his own thing every 3-4 days.
I don't have my plan & with time difference I'm not sure I'll get it from atomic in time. Any help would b greatly appreciated

Your plan was actually up I think at the time this was sent!! I think based on what you wrote in the post you have seen it, could you verify?