Anyone with a thin uterine lining?

[maximbella]

Hello ladies! I had an ultrasound done this afternoon that shows that I have very low uterine lining, which is probably part of the reason that I'm not getting pregnant (technician said this interferes with possible implantation). I remembered that I had low uterine lining when I was pregnant with DD2, which makes me worry that I wouldn't be able to carry to full term and would miscarry if I got pregnant now. Can anything be done for this? Has anyone had experience with this??

[XXforhubby]

Have they tested your estrogen levels? The first thing that comes to mind is estrogen to help with increasing the thickness.

I'm sure more experienced people will chime in!

FX so hard that this can be resolved soon so you can get your BFP!



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[momamia4]

Maxim, thin uterine lining is typically a result of low estrogen. Your doctor can give you an estrogen patch, injections, or pills. You can also try taking 600mg vitamin E. Walking is also supposed to help increase the blood flow to your uterus which also helps increase lining thickness. You should definitely talk to your doctor about it. Also, Clomid would not be an option for you as it reduces lining thickness. Femara does not decrease uterine lining though, so you could try that. Your doctor can test you for low estrogen with a blood test. If your estrogen is low, it would explain your long cycles.

[Georgia_Peach]

I didn't have a thin lining per say but i did have a 9mm thick lining the first apt I had with my fertility clinic. The cycle I got pregnant I went up to a 14mm thick lining thanks to progesterone suppositories. Id definitely suggest looking into that!?

Ask Cosmo bc I think she was the one who told me it helps with the thickness?!

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[Georgia_Peach]

Maxim, thin uterine lining is typically a result of low estrogen. Your doctor can give you an estrogen patch, injections, or pills. You can also try taking 600mg vitamin E. Walking is also supposed to help increase the blood flow to your uterus which also helps increase lining thickness. You should definitely talk to your doctor about it. Also, Clomid would not be an option for you as it reduces lining thickness. Femara does not decrease uterine lining though, so you could try that. Your doctor can test you for low estrogen with a blood test. If your estrogen is low, it would explain your long cycles.
Great point bc you do have very long cycles maxim!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Please don't take the Vitamin E, I don't recommend that. No one needs more than the amount in a prenatal, and if you think you need that, just start up taking one 3 days a week.

I do want some clarification here. What CD did they test you?

[maximbella]

Thanks so much for the quick responses!! ❤️ They did blood work 2 weeks ago to check my thyroid - he thought that my cycles might be long due to thyroid issues. Everything came back normal, but I'm not sure specifically if he checked estrogen - would that be on the same panel?


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[maximbella]

Atomic, I'm CD28 today and my u/s was this afternoon. She said that I ovulated because there was corpus luteum, which is crazy to me since my temps aren't very high and I never got a positive on my OPK (and I'm obsessively testing 3x/day!!). She couldn't tell specifically when I O'd, but it would be sometime between CD25-27.

[atomic sagebrush]

ok just wanted to be sure where you were in the cycle

[maximbella]

Thanks, atomic! I appreciate everyone's feedback - will loop back tomorrow after OB calls me.

[Burakoam]

maxim i havent been able to keep up with you on the 2ww thread..what opk's are you using and i will say this is why they want you temping on top of the OPK..it seems your OPK didnt pick it up but i can see in your temps that you ovulated... Those flashing smileys on the digitals are your bodies way of saying its trying to increase your estrogen and NOW it makes sense why you get SO MANY flashing smileys...Your temps btw went 1 full degree higher than your lowest recorded which is what you are looking for in a post O temp so i can 100% believe you ovulated. Thyroid would not include estrogen. That would be a hormone panel. However they said my hormone panel was normal and then retracted that and said despite the numbers appearing normal it must not have been *MY* normal because i wasnt getting pregnant...so even if they tested your estrogen and it was 'normal' the fact you have a thin lining suggests your body does not have enough.

[maximbella]

Burakoam!!! How are you? I sent you a PM earlier, hope you're doing great and loving life with 4 little ladies! :heart:

I am temping and I changed from the purple CB (with flashy smiles) to the pink one with just the circle/smiley, per you and Cosmo's suggestion. I'm also using the easy@home cheapies, and testing 2-3 times per day. Neither one ever registered a positive! It's really very strange!!

So should I ask the OB to test estrogen? I'm confused what you can do at this point to help fix that...

[Burakoam]

i am exhausted and meant to reply but didnt, i am sorry. first few weeks has been a struggle of me trying to absorb literally everything so ive been very forgetful in general.

https://www.fertilityauthority.com/blogger/cindy-bailey/2010/08/05/eating-improve-your-uterine-lining

I would say maybe you have swayed pink so hard it has worked against you in the form of not getting pregnant..which happens when you are doing a sway to decrease your over all fertility..i believe low uterine lining is really common in pink moms that sway (with no evidence and no numbers, this is what i am remembering on a big lack of sleep so someone correct me if i am wrong!)

I remember you were pretty active when we last spoke and cutting back a little as some of it was possibly going to sway blue for you..do you have a 'desk job'? as they say that can contribute to a lack of blood flow to the uterus as well.. If none of that applies id say its diet related not excersise related and its a matter of incorporating some foods in to help. for someone who already is very pink friendly like me or you some red meat should be perfectly fine to increase your iron to help with blood flow related issues. Remember when you get scared of swaying blue with eating a healthier diet please that if you cant GET pregnant you have no chance at a 3rd girl or a boy so better to at least up the odds of conception and hope the rest of your sway was enough. I second atomic on a prenatal...i really dont think they sway that strongly blue, especially since you have two previous girls as i had two previous girls Max and started a prental 7 months before getting pregnant with DD3 and took it religiously..still dd3, and again because prenatal was a strong part of my blue sway, and still DD4 lol...just dont take it in excess as its the excess in vitamins and minerals that sways blue. Atomic suggested maybe only taking it 3 days a week..that seems like a good compromise so you dont feel you swing too blue with that!

Pink swayers...has soy been ruled out as bad for pink and blue? if its pink friendly max and others chime in i would think soy milk would be a good way to get some estrogen from an outside source to maybe help..

also i think chocolate has the same affect and lots of people use it in their pink sways for that reason? load up on chocolate max..but not the healthy dark stuff..you want the unhealthy chocolate lol..will also be good at spiking blood sugars when stable blood sugars sway blue and the up and down sugars sway pink

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[maximbella]

Please do not apologize...you have much more important things going on! Thanks for your reply!!

To answer your questions, yes, I am very active typically. I used to be a marathon runner years ago, but have been doing weights classes 2-3 times a week. I've done the weights classes for years, including the times that I conceived both DD's. I have been trying to go lower on weights and also switch more to yoga, etc., but I'm naturally very lean and need the weights to not look "skinny". Should I be switching that up? I think atomic said that I was fine to do a mix of weights, barre and yoga classes 2-3 times per week.

I also do work a desk job. I work in finance and have a very stressful day, sometimes don't get up more than 1-2 times the entire day except to go to the bathroom. I'm positive this doesn't help!

I'm curious to see about the soy milk, but definitely will be adding in more chocolate (yay!). I don't eat red meat, but I do eat the other protein sources listed in the article (beans, lentils, etc.). Anything else I should be adding?

I received a call from my OB this afternoon just as I was picking up my girls from school (i.e., terrible timing). He said that I do have a cyst on my left ovary that he wants to monitor. If I don't end up pregnant this cycle, he would like for me to come in and have a saline sono hystegram to see if my tubes are blocked. He also recommended that we try clomid, which struck me as odd given that it thins out the lining. I don't know the exact measurement of my lining - should I call and ask??

[Burakoam]

I would call and ask and it's possible because you say it is an OB and not a reproductive endocrinologist that he isn't as aware that he could prescribe femara which would be better for someone with a thin lining vs clomid. However one cycle of clomid may not hurt you, as my lining was thinner (had hardly and bleeding with my periods at all) and my estrogen was supposedly 'normal' yet I wasn't getting pregnant.. and 1 cycle of clomid gave me DD3. You and I continue to have lots in common so just know that 4 daughters in I'd say you at least are in the right track for more pink lol

I would do the sono, personally

[maximbella]

Good morning! I just called the OB and my uterine lining measured 5.6mm. I was either 1 or 3 dpo at that time (still unsure when I O'd since I never got a positive opk). He also said to call when I get AF and we will book the u/s 10 days out. What do you think of that measurement??

[Georgia_Peach]

My fertility clinic always wants to see over at least 7mm

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[maximbella]

My fertility clinic always wants to see over at least 7mm

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Aughhhh, okay...thanks! Do you know what I can do? He didn't seem to want to give me any hormones at this point.

[atomic sagebrush]

Burakoam!!! How are you? I sent you a PM earlier, hope you're doing great and loving life with 4 little ladies! :heart:

I am temping and I changed from the purple CB (with flashy smiles) to the pink one with just the circle/smiley, per you and Cosmo's suggestion. I'm also using the easy@home cheapies, and testing 2-3 times per day. Neither one ever registered a positive! It's really very strange!!

So should I ask the OB to test estrogen? I'm confused what you can do at this point to help fix that...

Here's the thing though. You don't totally know what caused this, if it was just a one off, or an ongoing problem. I don't even think you changed your diet that dramatically and have really not done anything very different overall (since we were doing a hurry up sway) I don't want you to now jump to the conclusion that this is something you now need to FIX since it may be just a weird result of stressing over TTC.

DO NOT drink a bunch of soy milk. Regardless of how it sways. It is a phytoestrogen, it's not like the estrogen your body makes and actually competes with your body's estrogen for the estrogen receptors (in effect, lowering your estrogen even more). Stay away from the stuff.

[Burakoam]

thanks for the input atomic! i couldnt remember what made the soy milk bad just that at one point people did use it alot for pink but then alot of people stopped lol...So there you go maxim..no soy, but chocolate should be okay and as an avid chocolate eater (you should see the box of chocolate doughnuts ive gone through in 2 days.. /shame) it can only help. Remember the dark chocolate is blue you want the regular milk chocolate. Even if it was a one time thing as far as your lining goes this couldnt hurt and may help..i do think because you said it was a potential problem with one of your pregnancies that it wasnt a one time thing though. you dont need hormones at this point, try the natural stuff first place as it will be better for your body and overall being...estrogen in supplement form can have nasty side effects. Including increasing your risk of certain kinds of cancers. I think in the case of a thin lining and fertility they would prescribe you progesterone first since sometimes to kick start your natural estrogen production all you gotta do is kick it out of balance by increasing progesterone and its considered 'safer' than prescription estrogen.

[maximbella]

Thank you so much for your help & responses! I'll see what the next few days bring. If AF comes, I'll go with the saline sono and will update.

[MrsTheatrical]

Please don't take the Vitamin E, I don't recommend that. No one needs more than the amount in a prenatal, and if you think you need that, just start up taking one 3 days a week.

I do want some clarification here. What CD did they test you?

Hi Atomic,

I'm just curious why you don't recommend it? Not even to those doing ivf? Would love to hear your thoughts, I did send the question via pm but my message seems to be stuck again.

Xx


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[atomic sagebrush]

Not even for those doing IVF. High dose Vit E may inhibit cell division (which is why it may help to prevent or slow the growth of cancer) and I think it's quite frankly insane to give that to pregnant women OR to men who need to be able to make lots of cells dividing fast. We don't know how any of this works and I think you guys should stick with the amount in a prenatal/diet only.

[maximbella]

Atomic, does taking baby aspirin or drinking pomegranate juice help any in thickening lining? I've seen some people online saying it helped them, but I'm worried about adding in anything out of the ordinary for me. I truly believe this is the reason I'm not getting pregnant. I dealt with it during pregnancy of DD2 and that was 6 years ago - sure age and time only makes it worse. Is there anything "natural" I can be doing on my end?


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[maximbella]

Also ladies, I'd like to have my OB run labs on my estrogen and progesterone levels. I am thinking back to my pregnancies with both DD's and had to take progesterone very early in my pregnancies as my levels were also very low at the time. I believe I might have low estrogen and progesterone levels, which is affecting my cycles (they're all over the place) and lining. Do you know when the best time in the cycle to check those levels would be? Many thanks!

[MrsTheatrical]

Atomic, does taking baby aspirin or drinking pomegranate juice help any in thickening lining? I've seen some people online saying it helped them, but I'm worried about adding in anything out of the ordinary for me. I truly believe this is the reason I'm not getting pregnant. I dealt with it during pregnancy of DD2 and that was 6 years ago - sure age and time only makes it worse. Is there anything "natural" I can be doing on my end?


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I'm going through ivf and have been drinking pomegranate juice almost daily, along with 3-4 Brazil nuts and an avocado. Well, I've just been told that my lining is too thick! [emoji23] I'd say try it! I've also been doing castor oil packs on the area every other day.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Your body is always trying to fix things. What you need to do is eat more animal fats like those found in full fat dairy and calories and get some rest and allow your body to do what it does naturally. If it gets bad enough you need estrogen support.

Trust me, if any of these "miracle" fixes worked, there would not be websites full of infertile women.

People do something and something happens and then they assume that X caused Y to happen but it's all just coincidence. Only people who benefit from aspirin are those with proven clotting issues. if you don't have that, then your blood may be too thin and it's been linked to both health issues for you and possibly higher rate of miscarriage.

If you want to do some pom juice that is totally up to you. It is not a miracle drink though.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm going through ivf and have been drinking pomegranate juice almost daily, along with 3-4 Brazil nuts and an avocado. Well, I've just been told that my lining is too thick! [emoji23] I'd say try it! I've also been doing castor oil packs on the area every other day.


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That is not why your lining is too thick. Having too thick a lining with IVF medicine happens to people because of the effects of the medication.

[atomic sagebrush]

Also ladies, I'd like to have my OB run labs on my estrogen and progesterone levels. I am thinking back to my pregnancies with both DD's and had to take progesterone very early in my pregnancies as my levels were also very low at the time. I believe I might have low estrogen and progesterone levels, which is affecting my cycles (they're all over the place) and lining. Do you know when the best time in the cycle to check those levels would be? Many thanks!

They will advise you when to come in for those tests.

[maximbella]

Your body is always trying to fix things. What you need to do is eat more animal fats like those found in full fat dairy and calories and get some rest and allow your body to do what it does naturally. If it gets bad enough you need estrogen support.

Trust me, if any of these "miracle" fixes worked, there would not be websites full of infertile women.

People do something and something happens and then they assume that X caused Y to happen but it's all just coincidence. Only people who benefit from aspirin are those with proven clotting issues. if you don't have that, then your blood may be too thin and it's been linked to both health issues for you and possibly higher rate of miscarriage.

If you want to do some pom juice that is totally up to you. It is not a miracle drink though.

Thanks, atomic - makes perfect sense! Really wish I would have started trying earlier...hindsight is always 20/20! :)

[maximbella]

atomic, one more question...do you think that taking a small dose of zinc would help me with ovulation and lining? i don't eat any red meat, haven't for two years. i used to when i conceived both dd's. read online about zinc and iron being important for healthy ovulation, both of which i probably am low in. thoughts either way?

[cosmosis]

The supplement won't do you as much good as eating the foods your body needs, not for the changes you are looking for anyway. If you really don't want to eat red meat, try oysters, salmon, lobster, egg yolks, kidney beans, chickpeas, brown rice, peas, cashews and mushrooms. You can add a zinc supplement with the food if you'd like. :)

[maximbella]

thanks cosmo!! i'd prefer it via food sources, so that's super helpful! hope you're feeling great!

[atomic sagebrush]

atomic, one more question...do you think that taking a small dose of zinc would help me with ovulation and lining? i don't eat any red meat, haven't for two years. i used to when i conceived both dd's. read online about zinc and iron being important for healthy ovulation, both of which i probably am low in. thoughts either way?

Yes, please take 30 mg iron (do not get the ones that are in the 100's of mg as they are badly absorbed and make your tummy upset) and 8-15 mg zinc 3x a week from here on in. Just as a preventative measure

[maximbella]

Okay, atomic - I'll start today. This is in place of my prenatal correct? So iron, zinc and folate 3x/week?

[atomic sagebrush]

Are you already taking a prenatal??

Does it not already have zinc and iron in it?

If so, just continue with the prenatal only.

[maximbella]

I was taking this one 3x/week. Target : Expect More. Pay Less. (http://www.target.com/p/nature-made-prenatal-multivitamin-dha-200-mg-liquid-softgels-60-count/-/A-15070636?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&CPNG=PLA_Health+Beauty+Shopping&adgroup=SC_Health+Beauty_Top%20Performers&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=c&location=1018321&gclid=CjwKEAjwoLfHBRD_jLW93remyAQSJABIygGpo836_ze4 Jd4xLk00zUx9ZkVLDAB7YfqrDUyBWz8lQhoCI-Lw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)

Should I just continue that instead? Or supplement with iron/zinc in addition on the other days?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, just continue with those. You're already taking that amount in the prenatals.

[atomic sagebrush]

I wouldn't add in more than that personally, but it's your call to make of course.

I seriously doubt that zinc is your issue since you've been taking them.

[maximbella]

Sorry atomic, I somehow missed your response. How do you feel about red raspberry tea leaf tea or pill form?

[atomic sagebrush]

It's fine if you want to try it, 1 cup a day in FP, one every other day in LP, at BFP wean off by spacing doses further and further out (you can do this over the span of a week though, it doesn't need to be as careful as some other supps)

[maximbella]

Thanks so much!!