Pink Sway Health

[LDJ]

I was just wondering about the health safety of the child while doing a Pink Sway. Lowering ph and cutting large numbers of nutrients and losing weight on weird diets, seems to cause disruptions in cycles and delays O. (It delayed our typical O by 10 days, and drew the first couple of cycles out to 6 weeks at a time, instead of a month.) Do we know how this affects the health of the egg and growing baby girl? How do these deficiencies and weight loss diets and abnormally raised acidity affect pregnancies and child health? Thanks

[SEYMOAE]

I just asked a similar question about egg quality when you run your body down...I want the best egg quality but also want a girl! I'm curious too.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, I hope it goes without question that I am not in this to cause harm to anyone, particularly babies. If I thought even for one moment that any of this stuff could harm any mama or baby I would not be here doing this. As soon as I hear anything in the media that may indicate that something we are using could be potentially harmful I drop it (have already done so with egg whites and baby aspirin, among other things) We are now getting to the point at which many of our earliest babies are 4-6 years old, including my daughter. She's totally normal and in fact in better health than a couple of my sons who I conceived while taking prenatals and eating gobs of food (one has really bad allergies and another has a mild form of spina bifida)

I have my personal concerns about some things that are on other swaying sites and also about some things that people choose to do, at times over my strenuous objections. But I err on the side of caution on this site. The LE Diet is based on recommendations from the World Health Organization and reproductive endocrinologists about what is the lower level of safe and normal food intake pre-pregnancy. It is just the lower limit of normal, not sub-normal. And as for prenatals, studies have found pretty definitively that only folic acid/folate and possibly Vit. D (info is much sketchier) help when taken DURING pregnancy let alone before. Prenatal Multivitamins Don't Help Much, Study Says (http://www.livescience.com/55363-prenatal-multivitamins-dont-help-much.html) Starting prenatals at BFP is believed to be fine and safe and hundreds, if not thousands of women on this site have done exactly that, myself included.

"raised acidity" is actually biologic nonsense that has been completely debunked and cannot affect anyone's baby at all anyway http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

I do try to keep an open mind about any potential sources of harm due to swaying and I have a full investigation of things that could possibly cause or contribute to miscarriage here in this thread. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/29504-guide-swaying-after-miscarriage.html

[MiaMelb]

The LE diet is all about being on the lower side of normal and safe recommendations. As a girl mum it was only once I found this site that I realised what an LE lifestyle I was leading. We conceived two healthy girls, each within 4 months of coming off bc (often without even tracking o) living the LE lifestyle. The goal of the LE diet is to still be fertile enough to conceive.

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: exactly! Many of my blue swayers are eating below LE Diet limits and getting healthy babies doing that (but don't drop below LE Diet limits!!)

[LDJ]

Thank you for some reassurance.

Also, just wondering, is there a place where I could find statistics on MC here? I know this issue has been discussed at the different forums, and the results are getting better and better. And I know it is talked about in the personal sway threads. But, wondered if statistic lists were kept on things like this?

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't keep stats on miscarriages. I probably should have but it didn't occur to me at the start, and I also think it would be extremely misleading as the majority of our swayers are either over 35, PCOSers, or thyroid patients all of whom have much higher rates of miscarriage than the general population.

[LDJ]

Can I ask why the majority of gender swayers here would be PCOSers or thyroid patients? How do these medical conditions correlate with someone swaying for a blue boy or a pink girl? I don't see how it is more prevalent in a gender sway forum than just for the general population; both swayers and people who have never even heard of swaying. In fact, it would seem to me that some people with these fertility issues might not be quite as concerned with the swaying aspect at all, but more in overall fertility, which would bring the specific gender sway MC % artificially lower.

Also, is it really predominantly women over age 35 that are interested in swaying for gender? I guess it is. Why does over 35 mean that you desire a certain gender more than someone under 35? Is it mostly existing parents here that are trying to family balance at a later stage in life? Maybe my age and dream for a little girl is in the minority here.

[skillet04]

LDJ - if i may jump in here....i think that certain medical conditions may tip the scales towards one gender over another for certain individuals...for example my sister and i both have hypothyroid and i have pco tendencies where as she has it more "classic" type...yet she has conceived 3 girls and i have 2 boys .... and yes i think that if up until age 35 someone has only had one gender just living their lifestyle and birthing whatever they are blessed with, that that old biological clock ticks louder and they see the door closing on balancing out the genders in their family or at least having that opportunity to raise a child of the opposite gender to what they have always known. True for many with conditions that cause subfertility they only want a healthy baby no matter the gender so they probably do not even use this forum. Hope that helps....and yes if one is younger and trying to conceive their first child i can see that it really should not matter boy or girl because they have many years ahead of them to have more....although there was one gal i found who swayed pink for her first two and done because some illness that only affects males ran in her genetics so she wanted to have healthy girls. (Who will also carry this defect that affects males so they will want to sway girl, hope they warn the poor fellows who want a son to carry on their name ;) )

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[honeybee]

Can I ask why the majority of gender swayers here would be PCOSers or thyroid patients? How do these medical conditions correlate with someone swaying for a blue boy or a pink girl? I don't see how it is more prevalent in a gender sway forum than just for the general population; both swayers and people who have never even heard of swaying. In fact, it would seem to me that people with these fertility issues would not be as concerned with swaying at all, but more in overall fertility, which would bring the specific gender sway MC artificially lower.

Also, is it really predominantly women over age 35 that are interested in swaying for gender? I guess it is. Why does over 35 mean that you desire a certain gender more than someone under 35? Is it mostly existing parents here that are trying to family balance at a later stage in life? Maybe my age and dream for a little girl is in the minority here.

As someone who has struggled with infertility and pcos (at the ripe age of 26), it doesn't mean I "just want a healthy baby no matter the gender." We too are allowed to hope for one gender over another aren't we? There's an implication in your post that we should "be happy with whatever we can get." And this isn't necessarily the case. An analogy would be a 40 year old woman should just marry the first guy who will marry her, and not have hopes and desires for the ideal partner she's looking for.

[LDJ]

As someone who has struggled with infertility and pcos (at the ripe age of 26), it doesn't mean I "just want a healthy baby no matter the gender." We too are allowed to hope for one gender over another aren't we? There's an implication in your post that we should "be happy with whatever we can get." And this isn't necessarily the case. An analogy would be a 40 year old woman should just marry the first guy who will marry her, and not have hopes and desires for the ideal partner she's looking for.

The question is "why would there be a MAJORITY of people with infertility at a gender swaying forum". Not that infertility means that someone can't hope for a certain gender. Anyone can dream of a gender, at any age and any condition. They are all over this site, and have great results. You have come up with an analogy, but it has nothing to do with the thought or the question.

A better analogy would be, 'Why would a singles function have a MAJORITY of year 40 year old women looking for husbands'? It can, of course, maybe many; but most of them?

[Throwaway_panther]

Can I ask why the majority of gender swayers here would be PCOSers or thyroid patients? How do these medical conditions correlate with someone swaying for a blue boy or a pink girl? I don't see how it is more prevalent in a gender sway forum than just for the general population; both swayers and people who have never even heard of swaying. In fact, it would seem to me that some people with these fertility issues might not be quite as concerned with the swaying aspect at all, but more in overall fertility, which would bring the specific gender sway MC % artificially lower.

Also, is it really predominantly women over age 35 that are interested in swaying for gender? I guess it is. Why does over 35 mean that you desire a certain gender more than someone under 35? Is it mostly existing parents here that are trying to family balance at a later stage in life? Maybe my age and dream for a little girl is in the minority here.

No one said the majority here have those hormonal issues, just that there are those with those issues in the mix playing with the numbers. For example, I've had two miscarriages while swaying HE; did the swaying cause it? No, I'm also hypothyroid, and my levels were off, but I could potentially make HE look like it has a positive correlation with pregnancy losses if we noted my losses without the thyroid caveat. Ironically, I'm one of the people atomic alluded to where I (unintentionally) followed a very extreme LE lifestyle and fell immediately pregnant with a healthy, happy DD.

I'm curious at the intent of your many questions. Are you looking for a specific something, or just figuring things out? I'd suggest digging through the site, especially since your dream of a girl is hardly the minority on here -- the girl swayers vastly outnumber us boy swayers :P

[LDJ]

Yes they did! Did you read Atomic's response to the question? "majority of our swayers are either over 35, PCOSers, or thyroid patients". Copied and pasted it. Im thinking you did not understand my question.

So to compare it to your story; how does your number of miscarriages (we've had one as well) play with these numbers more than it plays with the numbers of the general population that is pregnant? Do not the same numbers outside of Gender Dreaming also have hormonal problems and miscarriages as well? Again, the innocent question, is why would members of this forum (outside of swaying itself) skew statistics more than any other pregnant women. Just didn't know why the majority HERE have more of these problems, as stated by Atomic Sagebrushes' response. Im sure there is an answer... All I did was ask.

My many questions you say?? I asked 2 questions here in the thread. One was swiftly answered and thanked for. My intent to my 2 questions is to ask questions... No agenda. Did my health statistics question cross your line? Just interested in information that was not found, as we start swaying. And I am appreciative to everything I am learning from the members here. And it is obvious that this question was new. Atomic even said she did not even think of keeping that statistic (and I couldn't find it anywhere else online).

Yes, I dug through the site quite a bit, for several months now. And I continue to dig. Thanks for your input. Sorry if anybody got offended by my question about statistics.

[atomic sagebrush]

Can I ask why the majority of gender swayers here would be PCOSers or thyroid patients? How do these medical conditions correlate with someone swaying for a blue boy or a pink girl? I don't see how it is more prevalent in a gender sway forum than just for the general population; both swayers and people who have never even heard of swaying. In fact, it would seem to me that some people with these fertility issues might not be quite as concerned with the swaying aspect at all, but more in overall fertility, which would bring the specific gender sway MC % artificially lower.

Also, is it really predominantly women over age 35 that are interested in swaying for gender? I guess it is. Why does over 35 mean that you desire a certain gender more than someone under 35? Is it mostly existing parents here that are trying to family balance at a later stage in life? Maybe my age and dream for a little girl is in the minority here.

The majority of PINK swayers.

PCOS tends to = more boys conceived and there is a connection between some types of thyroid conditions and PCOS. You are misunderstanding me about the reasons for miscarriage, it is NOT what those people are doing or not doing for swaying, or doing or not doing for fertility, it is because PCOS and thyroid patients have more miscarriages than the population as a whole and thus this may affect our results.

By the time most of us have had 2-3-4 boys, we tend to be over 35.

It is not my job here to talk you into doing something you are not comfortable with. You can take me at my word or not, but I"m not here to badger anyone into doing something they feel uncomfortable with.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes they did! Did you read Atomic's response to the question? "majority of our swayers are either over 35, PCOSers, or thyroid patients". Copied and pasted it. Im thinking you did not understand my question.

So to compare it to your story; how does your number of miscarriages (we've had one as well) play with these numbers more than it plays with the numbers of the general population that is pregnant? Do not the same numbers outside of Gender Dreaming also have hormonal problems and miscarriages as well? Again, the innocent question, is why would members of this forum (outside of swaying itself) skew statistics more than any other pregnant women. Just didn't know why the majority HERE have more of these problems, as stated by Atomic Sagebrushes' response. Im sure there is an answer... All I did was ask.

My many questions you say?? I asked 2 questions here in the thread. One was swiftly answered and thanked for. My intent to my 2 questions is to ask questions... No agenda. Did my health statistics question cross your line? Just interested in information that was not found, as we start swaying. And I am appreciative to everything I am learning from the members here. And it is obvious that this question was new. Atomic even said she did not even think of keeping that statistic (and I couldn't find it anywhere else online).

Yes, I dug through the site quite a bit, for several months now. And I continue to dig. Thanks for your input. Sorry if anybody got offended by my question about statistics.

The majority of our PINK SWAYERS, and yes, I suppose I did not preface this but since the title of the post was Pink Sway Health it was just in my head as obvious, I suppose, have some PCOS issues or full blown PCOS itself, often along with thyroid issues like Hashimoto's. It is because PCOS is associated with higher blood sugar and testosterone, and more boys conceived. And thyroid stuff is OFTEN, but not always, associated with PCOS. So since both those things are associated with more miscarriages, yes, indeed it is entirely possible that a majority (not an overwhelming one, but still) of the people here may be coming into TTC more set to have a miscarriage than the general population as a whole.

I did not think of keeping the data AT FIRST. By the time I thought of it, I understood by that point that it would be highly misleading. I don't think I mentioned this on the previous page but aside from the PCO and thyroid stuff, some studies have indicated that women whose first child is a boy are more likely to have miscarriages than the population as a whole anyway. It's this huge tangled ball of cause and effect and we don't have the ability to tease those things out.

[LDJ]

Thanks for actually understanding the question Atomic. You are awesome. And thanks to the others that tried.

Thanks for explaining the correlation. I had no idea. It makes sense, now that we are only talking about only PINK swayers and not just swayers.

You are very helpful.