Timing!

[Hobbermittens]

My turn to ask about timing. I know I have asked about this on other threads, but I am still trying to formulate a plan.

I have been helping DH release every 2-3 days. Once AF is gone (I am on CD4 today) we will BD probably once (with a condom), then he will have to save up his swimmers for 3-4 days before we start actually trying.

I get 24 hrs of +opks. Last two cycles I have gotten my first +opk on CD11, and O on CD13.

Should we BD on CD11, after the +opk, and then again on CD12? I don't know when on CD13 I will O, so I am not sure I want to skip CD12, because if we wait until CD13, we might miss the egg.

I know BD 2 days in a row is frowned upon, but I think it might be okay? WHat do y'all think??

[gizmo77]

didnt you and dh dtd every fertile day for a week when you got DS1?
would you be willing to dtd cd10 and then cd 12? can you dtd in the am before work (if its a weekday) on cd 13? or midday? i would defly do it on cd 12 bc like you said you could O on cd13 Am and miss it if you wait till night. boy timing is usually okay 24hrs before O. but if you want to do it twice i really dont think 2 days in a row willbe bad. in retropspect i would have been ok with it or skipped a day cd10 then cd12. whens your attempt??

[Flava]

I would do 11 and 12 because on 13 it's maybe to late?

[LolaInLove]

Yea, what did you do with DS1?

[Hobbermittens]

DS1 was a "DTD for 6 days in a row when I'm fertile" thing--from what I know now, I am shocked he came out a boy!

My problem is that I am not totally sure that I will O on CD13. That is what has happened for 2 months in a row, but the previous 2 months I O'ed on CD15 and CD16. I am afraid of trying on CD10 and then not getting my +opk on CD11 like I have been. Ugh, this is so hard to decide! It is so much easier to see when you SHOULD HAVE done it in retrospect!

My attempt is sometime next week. I am on CD5 today.

[atomic sagebrush]

I strongly believe that in order for frequent release to sway pink, it really DOES have to be every day without missing a day for 7-10 days at the very least and pref. more. So DTD two days back to back, does not sway pink at all and to my way of thinking, sways BLUE.

Honestly, I would totally BD on CD 11, CD 12, and maybe even CD 13 in the morning if you felt comfy with that. And of course you'll be doing everything to keep those swimmers alive in there.

This thread makes me smile because on the pink boards people are busting my chops because they're worried that frequent doesn't sway good enough and yet over here people are scared to DTD two days in a row...they can't both be true!! Frequent release HAS to be a LOT of release to sway pink and so if you are doing less than that, esp. something as reasonable as DTD two or three days in a row, no worries, you are totally swaying blue!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

DS1 was a "DTD for 6 days in a row when I'm fertile" thing--from what I know now, I am shocked he came out a boy!

My problem is that I am not totally sure that I will O on CD13. That is what has happened for 2 months in a row, but the previous 2 months I O'ed on CD15 and CD16. I am afraid of trying on CD10 and then not getting my +opk on CD11 like I have been. Ugh, this is so hard to decide! It is so much easier to see when you SHOULD HAVE done it in retrospect!

My attempt is sometime next week. I am on CD5 today.

Even 6 days in a row isn't reliably pink. It has to be 7-10 days and maybe even more than once a day some days.

That's why I like your plan as it is, waiting for the pos OPK and that way if your body throws a spanner into the works and delays O for some reason, you don't even have to worry about it.

[love being a mummy]

I've been curious to know why the frequency of DTD can help sway?
It only takes one sperm to get pregnant how can it matter how often you DTD ?

[atomic sagebrush]

I've been curious to know why the frequency of DTD can help sway?
It only takes one sperm to get pregnant how can it matter how often you DTD ?

Actually it takes many more than one sperm to get pg. Firstly because most of them die on the way to the egg, and secondly because one sperm alone cannot penetrate the eggshell, it takes several working together.

For reasons we don't yet know, things that lower sperm count/quality and lower the numbers of sperm of BOTH genders that survive to make it to the egg, sway pink, and things that raise sperm count/quality and raise the numbers of sperm of BOTH genders that survive to make it to the egg, sway blue. Even though we don't know the mechanism yet, it makes sense to emulate this pattern for swaying.

My personal theory is that the slightly larger size of the X sperm might enable it to penetrate the egg shell with less help, so if there are fewer sperm trying to penetrate the egg, X then gains an advantage. Y are slightly smaller and so it may take more sperm working in concert to enable a Y to penetrate the egg. And swaying helps by improving/drying up CM thereby keeping more sperm alive/killing more off, in addition to possibly creating a thicker/thinner egg shell. But that's just a theory.

[gizmo77]

nice theory!

[Hobbermittens]

Ugh, so here we are on CD11 with no +opk. Of course the time I PLAN on it, it doesn't happen. So I am trying to decide what to do. DH has been holding out for 4 days, so we have to release him tonight, but I can't decide whether to just DTD with a condom or do it the REAL way. Why can't I have a consistent cycle?!:hair:

[TTC5]

How soon do you think O could be? If it is only a day or two away, I'd go now!

[Hobbermittens]

Who knows... I have O'ed anywhere from CD13 to CD16. DH has fallen asleep on te couch, so I need to wake him, and he won't want to do anything now. If I force him, he might, but it won't go well. Hmmm.

[LolaInLove]

Who knows... I have O'ed anywhere from CD13 to CD16. DH has fallen asleep on te couch, so I need to wake him, and he won't want to do anything now. If I force him, he might, but it won't go well. Hmmm.

Been there! Mine won't rouse, either. He sleeps like a dead bear. Maybe try to wake him with some action "down below," that seems to do the trick for a lot of men.

[Hobbermittens]

yes, I woke him up witha red bull and then he went back to sleep (can you believe it?!) while I got all the stuff ready (did my BSF, got the egg whites in the syringe, etc). Then I did wake him up in the manner you suggested and we DTD. It went fairly well (those EWs are messy!) but then stupid DH released on his own this morning (horny bastard!), which I am still mad about! We have 24 hrs to build up and then I think we will DTD again tomorrow am? Hopefully I can do that before the kids wake up. ! I was hoping for a 36hr build up, but can't now.

[atomic sagebrush]

yes, I woke him up witha red bull and then he went back to sleep (can you believe it?!) while I got all the stuff ready (did my BSF, got the egg whites in the syringe, etc). Then I did wake him up in the manner you suggested and we DTD. It went fairly well (those EWs are messy!) but then stupid DH released on his own this morning (horny bastard!), which I am still mad about! We have 24 hrs to build up and then I think we will DTD again tomorrow am? Hopefully I can do that before the kids wake up. ! I was hoping for a 36hr build up, but can't now.

What happened?? Update!!

I would have gone ahead with 24 hours, but I would also remove all Christmas presents from DH's stocking this year!!

[Hobbermittens]

We ended up DTD on the 24th, 26th& 27th, and I either O'ed the 27th or 28th. (temp went up 28th AM).

My concern about the attempt on the 27th was pretty stupid--DH didn't wait for me to finish first, and we forgot the eggwhite. For some reason, I acted on impulse and added the EW just afterwards--I think I thought I NEEDED it--and then some of it sluced out, probably taking some swimmers with it! What was I thinking?! So I put in the instead cup and left it in all night, so hopefully that helped. I feel like a total moron.

[atomic sagebrush]

LOL many people out there will tell you you DO need the egg white and are not happy with me for saying otherwise, so you very well may have done exactly the right thing. The instead cup will def. help keep a lot of swimmers where they need to be. Good luck Hobber!!!

[TTC5]

I think you did well even if you didn't feel so! xx

[Hobbermittens]

Thanks ladies. I am worried now because I O'ed in a girl moon sign, which I know a lot of people think is bullsh!t, but I really felt like I needed to O in a boy sign, and I am annoyed that I didn't. I think I may have been just on the cusp.

[TTC5]

Try not to stress over it xxxx

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks ladies. I am worried now because I O'ed in a girl moon sign, which I know a lot of people think is bullsh!t, but I really felt like I needed to O in a boy sign, and I am annoyed that I didn't. I think I may have been just on the cusp.

Boo! I wish it could all have fallen into place. :/