No Gestational Sac at 5 weeks

[fefecooks]

Anyone's numbers not double? I only went from a 400 to 577 beta in 41 hours then 2158 five days later. Nurse seemed concerned. No gestational sac at 5 weeks and 1 day. No ectopic found either. Lining is thick. They are waiting for me to bleed. She wanted beta to be at least 3000.

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[atomic sagebrush]

OH no Fefe - any chance it could have been twins and one not made it?? That can sometimes cause a slowing of beta rises (one twin's HCG stops rising)

:pray: for good news.

[fefecooks]

OH no Fefe - any chance it could have been twins and one not made it?? That can sometimes cause a slowing of beta rises (one twin's HCG stops rising)

:pray: for good news.
Never thought of that. I was on L-arginine as prompted by RE (she says it makes multiple eggs).

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[atomic sagebrush]

Any news today?? :heart:

[fefecooks]

Any news today?? [emoji813]
I have to wait until Friday when I return home for bloodwork and ultrasound. I am spotting slightly today when I wipe occasionally. ☹

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[Mommy2apples]

I have to wait until Friday when I return home for bloodwork and ultrasound. I am spotting slightly today when I wipe occasionally. [emoji852]

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So sorry sweetie [emoji17] I've been there. Many hugs and prayers!


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[fefecooks]

So sorry sweetie [emoji17] I've been there. Many hugs and prayers!


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This would be the 2nd one in 2 years. Don't know if I can do this again. Had one last year.

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[Mommy2apples]

Been there, two times as well. One in feb of last year and one in May of last year. I'm going to give it another go in June. I pray this is your rainbow miracle baby!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I'm so sorry - praying...

[fefecooks]

The only difference between this spotting is that there are no chunks or dark clots like I normally get when period is about to start or when I miscarried before. Just light brown which is very unusual for me.

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[fefecooks]

Been there, two times as well. One in feb of last year and one in May of last year. I'm going to give it another go in June. I pray this is your rainbow miracle baby!


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So sorry to hear that. It's so tough when you've been trying forever just to fall pregnant. Thanks for your prayers.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Every time is different - but still hoping that this is still viable.

[Mommy2apples]

So sorry to hear that. It's so tough when you've been trying forever just to fall pregnant. Thanks for your prayers.

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Welcome sweetie


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[atomic sagebrush]

Just wanted you to know I'm thinking of you :sadflwr:

[fefecooks]

Just wanted you to know I'm thinking of you :sadflwr:
Thanks! Still light brown spotting during the day and I simply cannot keep my eyes open. Tomorrow is the day.

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[Mommy2apples]

Praying for you sweetie! Sleepiness! That could be a great sign!!


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[fefecooks]

Just left. Tech said she saw something that looked like a sac but it was way small at 5.5 weeks. Didn't find anything in tubes at least. My lining decreased from 22.9 down to 18 due to the spotting. Took bloods to see if they went up or down. I praise God that it's not tubal at least. That part is a relief.

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[Mommy2apples]

Hugs sweetie continued prayers that this is indeed your rainbow!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yeah, not looking good, but at the same time it's very good news that it's not tubal. :pray: that the limbo ends soon, still not giving up on a miracle.

[fefecooks]

Beta only came back at just over 5000 today. Was looking for about 8600 for correct math. ☹ Said my lining is now jagged. Said it could be twins, pseudo sac or miscarriage. 3rd scan on Monday with OB.

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[Mommy2apples]

[emoji20]so sorry you are going through this limbo


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[fefecooks]

Twins make absolutely no sense with my low hcg number. And pseudo is still ectopic, right?

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[Mommy2apples]

When I looked it up it said false pregnancy, but that wouldn't make any sense


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[atomic sagebrush]

Pseudosac is when it's ectopic but the body develops a sac in the uterus anyway.

I'm sorry. I don't think this is looking good. :(

[atomic sagebrush]

Twins make absolutely no sense with my low hcg number. And pseudo is still ectopic, right?

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I agree even if it was twins and one had gone, the one should be having normal rises still.

Yes pseudo is ectopic - but the thing is I have never seen that one time in 8 years on the two sites so that is really quite rare. Several ectopics but never with a pseudosac.

[fefecooks]

They still won't call it. Both sacs measured 5 weeks 2 days on Friday and now only 5 weeks 3 days today.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170515/16ad87ca5f02d34995fb63d8e74eea91.jpg

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[Mommy2apples]

Hugs sweetie. They kept me in limbo for awhile too:


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[atomic sagebrush]

I'm so sorry Fefe - I hope this resolves, one way or the other, very soon. :heart:

[fefecooks]

Yesterday's beta came back at 17000. Said sacs look like they're collapsing.

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[Mommy2apples]

I'm so sorry [emoji20]


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[fefecooks]

Why is beta still rising? It more than tripled since Friday.

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[Mommy2apples]

I have no idea, hopefully you will go back and have two little babies growing.
Mine went to 27,000 before it started falling. I got a positive pregnancy test in May started spotting the following week. Kept going back every two days to see my betas go up. Had ultrasounds and they were like look there's your sac you are measuring 4 weeks 5 days. That wasn't possible because it would've made me conceive the day I got a positive on a test. In July they finally confirmed my miscarriage. I held out until September for a dnc but I had to episodes of soaking pads in aug and sept to blacking out that I was over it and needed the dnc done.


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[fefecooks]

Wow!! Heart breaking! Once the heart stopped at 8 weeks for me, I carried for 5 additional weeks. So tough being on the road (7 states) just waiting. The Lord blessed me to actually be home the day I delivered.

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[Mommy2apples]

Hugs sweetie! I'm keeping you in my prayers and praying for the best outcome!


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[fefecooks]

RE tech from another group:

Felesha Bell- it appears one sac is much smaller and that twin may not make it. That could account for your not doubling numbers. Not to give you false hope. But when you have twins the numbers are meshed. If one twin starts dropping out the number for the surging twin could be ok but it appears they aren't rising right. And they aren't for 2. But for one they could be. Just hang on and let's see what happens. Today's number may give more of a clue. Your dr isn't saying much bc he sees what's going on and right now he just can't call it bc honestly he doesn't know. Time will make all things clear though . Was this a medicated cycle?

That is a fantastic number. Just hang on here and let time tell. You can't prevent a mc. If you have brown - go to town, red go to bed is our little saying . I am encouraged by that 17000 that more than doubled. Maybe both twin will make it.

Also says she could see something inside sacs which neither of my offices could.

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[Mommy2apples]

Oh!! I'm praying she is right! That will be amazing!!


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[AshFind]

So sorry hope you get answers soon.

[atomic sagebrush]

Why is beta still rising? It more than tripled since Friday.

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Because your body still "thinks" it is pregnant and is keeping things going. Now this may be because there is more going on here and your doc's office, IMO, is doing the right thing being patient (although I know it is like putting you through a meat grinder emotionally) because too often, docs insist immediate D and C and sometimes the pregnancy is actually working out. So while I know this is hard I think they're doing the right thing, being honest that it's not looking good but not insisting on medical management yet. :heart:

[atomic sagebrush]

RE tech from another group:

Felesha Bell- it appears one sac is much smaller and that twin may not make it. That could account for your not doubling numbers. Not to give you false hope. But when you have twins the numbers are meshed. If one twin starts dropping out the number for the surging twin could be ok but it appears they aren't rising right. And they aren't for 2. But for one they could be. Just hang on and let's see what happens. Today's number may give more of a clue. Your dr isn't saying much bc he sees what's going on and right now he just can't call it bc honestly he doesn't know. Time will make all things clear though . Was this a medicated cycle?

That is a fantastic number. Just hang on here and let time tell. You can't prevent a mc. If you have brown - go to town, red go to bed is our little saying . I am encouraged by that 17000 that more than doubled. Maybe both twin will make it.

Also says she could see something inside sacs which neither of my offices could.

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I do agree about the twins - that is what I was driving at before only her explanation is much better than mine.

I do want to point out, though, that one pic on the Internet is not going to be capturing all that your doc's office saw during the ultrasound. I just don't want you to have false hope based on one picture - although I do completely agree that it ain't over till it's over and that doctors DO get it wrong (and this has been shown in studies) with both betas and ultrasounds.

Hang in there :pray: and :heart: coming your way.

[fefecooks]

I'm reading that RE's machines typically don't go above 5000 which is why she probably told me it was over 5000 but wouldn't give exact number. Maybe it was over 8000 on Friday which explains the crazy jump to 17000 (regular lab) on Monday?

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[atomic sagebrush]

I think that is entirely possible that is exactly what happened. Makes perfect sense.

[fefecooks]

At 8 weeks 5 days measuring only 6 weeks 5 days with two gestational sacs only. Another diagnosed missed miscarriage with blighted ovums. Thank you for all your prayers and support. Still not giving up on the possibility of motherhood someday. I will trust in Him. Just wish I could do something about my egg quality. Numbers are not bad but the 600mg of ubiquinol over several months certainly didn't help like I believed it would.

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[Mommy2apples]

At 8 weeks 5 days measuring only 6 weeks 5 days with two gestational sacs only. Another diagnosed missed miscarriage with blighted ovums. Thank you for all your prayers and support. Still not giving up on the possibility of motherhood someday. I will trust in Him. Just wish I could do something about my egg quality. Numbers are not bad but the 600mg of ubiquinol over several months certainly didn't help like I believed it would.

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Hugs sweetie! I'm so so sorry :( you are a momma! You will get to be an earthly momma some day too! I just know it! So many prayers for you!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I'm so sorry fefe. Thank you for updating.

The ubiquinol is not a miracle cure, unfortunately. I think I recall talking about this before but I'd probably try cutting way back on carbs to see if it helps.

[fefecooks]

I'm so sorry fefe. Thank you for updating.

The ubiquinol is not a miracle cure, unfortunately. I think I recall talking about this before but I'd probably try cutting way back on carbs to see if it helps.
Ok, thanks! Tried gluten free and then paleo. Guess keto is next!

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[atomic sagebrush]

No need to go that far, as too low carb may also be bad for fertility. Aim at a diet like the Zone or Perfect Health Diet that has good carbs but overall is less in refined carbs and sugar. Paleo is good but make sure you're getting SOME carbs (continue eating lots of fruit and veg and nuts). Gluten free can be quite high carbs so depending on how you were doing it that can backfire (it's great for people for whom gluten is an issue, but can mess with egg quality for some)

[fefecooks]

Test results back from twins. Turns out they were girls with Trisomy 16. First miscarriage was Trisomy 13. What are the chances that I have a balanced translocation causing this?

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[Pinkmama]

I'm so sorry for your losses


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[fefecooks]

I'm so sorry for your losses


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Thanks!

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[Pepper]

I am so sorry. You and your partner can have a kareothype done to find out.

[atomic sagebrush]

Test results back from twins. Turns out they were girls with Trisomy 16. First miscarriage was Trisomy 13. What are the chances that I have a balanced translocation causing this?

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About 4% that one or the other of you does. But Trisomy 13 risks increase with age and Trisomy 16 is just super super common, among top causes of miscarriage and it most likely was just sheer bad luck. I know several people on the site who had had more than one loss due to Trisomies and went on to have a healthy pregnancy afterwards, and additionally many of our HT ladies who have fertilized eggs that have several of their tested embryos found to have numerous trisomies in among the normals. It does happen quite regularly, unfortunately, so while it may be worthy of investigation I don't want you to jump to the worst conclusion first.

I am so, so very sorry for your losses.

[fefecooks]

About 4% that one or the other of you does. But Trisomy 13 risks increase with age and Trisomy 16 is just super super common, among top causes of miscarriage and it most likely was just sheer bad luck. I know several people on the site who had had more than one loss due to Trisomies and went on to have a healthy pregnancy afterwards, and additionally many of our HT ladies who have fertilized eggs that have several of their tested embryos found to have numerous trisomies in among the normals. It does happen quite regularly, unfortunately, so while it may be worthy of investigation I don't want you to jump to the worst conclusion first.

I am so, so very sorry for your losses.
Thank you Atomic! Seeing new RE next week for karyotype testing. I pray this is just another fluke.

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[Shannshaff]

Praying for you to have your take home rainbow baby!!!

[fefecooks]

Karyotyping came back normal for us both. Sigh. Next cycle Femara with Follistim and HCg. Anybody done this regiment with success?

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[Pepper]

I didn't have this protocol but maybe if you include the dose you are taking it will help other ladies to tell you.

[atomic sagebrush]

I know it's frustrating but it's actually good news. :heart:

Yes lots of gals on here have done that - great results for conceiving!! FXFXFX!!

[fefecooks]

I didn't have this protocol but maybe if you include the dose you are taking it will help other ladies to tell you.Waiting for RE to tell me dosages.

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[fefecooks]

He's recommending Follistim 300iu x2 and Pregnyl. I've found the European brand Puregon to be more affordable. Does this matter at all? Difference of about $250.

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[atomic sagebrush]

They're basically the exact same thing, just different name! Save the $$, get the cheaper one. Do confirm with pharmacist simply because I am not one but yes they do the same thing and have been tested side by side and found to be identical in terms of results.

[fefecooks]

They're basically the exact same thing, just different name! Save the $$, get the cheaper one. Do confirm with pharmacist simply because I am not one but yes they do the same thing and have been tested side by side and found to be identical in terms of results.Thanks! Just ordered today!!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck Fefe!!!