Would like some advice pls

[hopper]

Hi :wave:
My DH and I have 3 sons aged 5, 3 and 10 months. We were thinking of TTC around Christmas this year but just today after a heart to heart DH said he'd like to start in August :suprise: Considering he seemed to be very on the fence regarding having a fourth I want to run with this decision while he's so onboard. My issue is: he doesn't want me to sway. AT. ALL.

I have iron deficiency anaemia so have to take iron supplements and I have been sporadically taking a multi vitamin (which I know is so unfriendly to a pink sway but I feel that the 3 pregnancies in 5 years has really depleted my stores and was hoping to take the vits for several more months before Xmas ttc) I'm also currently on Zoloft 50mcg for anxiety.

So with that said, here's what I'm thinking (and I'd really appreciate any advice or tips thanks):

- cardio beginning tomorrow. 60+ minutes 5/6 days per week. I currently walk at a brisk pace approx 4km 4-5 days a week pushing a double stroller but the cardio would be exercise biking on top of the 4km walking.
- I don't want to do hardcore LE as he will cop onto that immediately so I was thinking of giving up eggs, limit meat or hopefully manage to go vegetarian, limiting meals to 2-3 daily with no snacking, lots of coffee and diet sodas. I was obsessed with watching every morsal that passed my lips on my last sway attempt and I think that didn't help so want to remain as "un-sway-ish" as possible here.
- I have a script for Clomid that I plan to fill. Going to take that days 3-7 I think. I don't think I want to do OPKs, I get too obsessed. We did e4d last time and I'm not a huge fan. So if I take the Clomid day 3-7 should I hold out for a single attempt when I'd usually O or will the Clomid mess my usual cycle up?
- Going to take folic acid instead of multi vitamin now. What's the recommended dosage for ttc pink?
- Is fiber still recommended? I took Chitosan last time, definitely think it helped with weight loss!
- I'm currently 128lbs and 5'5. I would like to lose up to 7lbs. I was 121lbs when we conceived DS3 which would be my lowest adult weight. I'm after gaining quite a bit of weight in the last 2 months due to the Zoloft increasing my appetite (which has never happened before)
- Sleep is broken every night. I don't remember last time I had 5 hours straight. I'm hoping this can only help, right?

I had my LMP on 13 May. Cycles are around 31 ish days. So going by that we'd be having our first attempt in 12 weeks or so. Does this sound ok? Like I just don't want to get obsessive like last time so I want to just slightly tip the odds. I'd love a girl but am at peace with another boy whereas I really wasn't in this head space prior to having DS3. The GD for a DD was just overwhelming but it's much better now.
Thanks for reading. Good luck to everyone swaying, I hope you all get your GD xx

[XXforhubby]

Looks like a great plan Hopper! My DH wasn't on board with me swaying either, but I managed to go vegetarian this time around. I too took Clomid and started days 3-7.

I'm sending you my pink baby dust (I can't believe I have some now to give!!)!

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[Pbn3]

Hopper just wanted to jump in and say in regards to the attempt you'll have to do either e4d or one attempt at pos opk because clomid can may make you o earlier or later or bang on time - different for everyone.... I'd lean towards one attempt at pos opk so your getting the best timed attempt for conception in with using clomid as it seems to sway so strong.

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[hopper]

Looks like a great plan Hopper! My DH wasn't on board with me swaying either, but I managed to go vegetarian this time around. I too took Clomid and started days 3-7.

I'm sending you my pink baby dust (I can't believe I have some now to give!!)!

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Thanks XX!! I will surely take any spare pink dust you've got!! I'm nervous of the Clomid but really think it sways so strongly that I'd be foolish to not give it a shot! I'm Sat here having my morning coffee later than usual with a much smaller breakfast than usual (and a bigger fast than usual) so here's to day one on my "lite" sway 😁

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[hopper]

Hopper just wanted to jump in and say in regards to the attempt you'll have to do either e4d or one attempt at pos opk because clomid can may make you o earlier or later or bang on time - different for everyone.... I'd lean towards one attempt at pos opk so your getting the best timed attempt for conception in with using clomid as it seems to sway so strong.

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Ok, thanks for that info hun. I'm completely clueless about it! I've not been on here much, if at all, since early 2016 so haven't really looked into much info on Clomid on the site. I really must!! Do you think it's ok if I don't use OPKs in the months between now and ttc? I just don't want to get obsessive! I was the definition of OCD when we conceived DS3 and though I wouldn't part with him for the world I'd love #4 (our 150% last child) to be a daughter.
I used the CB digital opks last time. Should I use them this time or go with cheapies?
How have you been keeping? I dunno if you remember me from the 2WW threads in 2015 but there's a handful of ladies I always wonder "how are they doing now?" X

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[Pbn3]

Yes of course I remember you :) I kept up with your ddg thread for ages as quite a few of you got bfps around the same time. I know you went through a rough time. I'm still here and pregnant hopefully with a sticky bean finally.

Wouldn't bother with using opks until cycle 1 ttc. If you used the digis previously then I'd use them again. Might be a lot less stressful using an opk you're familiar with. Just start them the cycle you're going to ttc, you already know they work for you so just test once a day and know you'll detect your surge when it comes (fmu if using the dual hormone ones or at 1pm with a two hour hold and limited fluids with the regular digis) At least by not using opks in the cycles prior you wont be 'expecting' a pos opk by a particular day and won't stress if it isnt :) If you're taking clomid days 3-7 then don't start using opks until 4 days later (so start cd11) as clomid can cause false positives up to a couple days after taking so wait 4 days to be sure :) (no longer than that though)

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[hopper]

Just thought of a couple of questions if anyone can help:

1. As I mentioned I'm taking iron for my anaemia. I can't negotiate on this unfortunately but I was thinking what if I take it this month every day and then from July decrease it to maybe 3x a week? We'd be having our first attempt in August so it's not that long lowering my dose and maybe my haemoglobin will have gone up by July so it won't matter too much.

2. I'm also on Zoloft as mentioned. I'd like to be weaned by the time we ttc. Do these types of meds help or hinder a sway or is that like asking how long is a piece of string?

3. I'm starting everything today. Lite diet and exercise. I lost weight fast last time when I did the cardio so this time I'm thinking maybe start with 3 meals a day and drop to 2 if I can closer to ttc. How important is it to calculate daily protein, fat etc? As I said I don't want to become obsessive and I did tend to get cray cray about inputting to MFP last time which I think doesn't help when you're hoping for pink!

Thank you xx

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[hopper]

Yes of course I remember you :) I kept up with your ddg thread for ages as quite a few of you got bfps around the same time. I know you went through a rough time. I'm still here and pregnant hopefully with a sticky bean finally.

Wouldn't bother with using opks until cycle 1 ttc. If you used the digis previously then I'd use them again. Might be a lot less stressful using an opk you're familiar with. Just start them the cycle you're going to ttc, you already know they work for you so just test once a day and know you'll detect your surge when it comes (fmu if using the dual hormone ones or at 1pm with a two hour hold and limited fluids with the regular digis) At least by not using opks in the cycles prior you wont be 'expecting' a pos opk by a particular day and won't stress if it isnt :) If you're taking clomid days 3-7 then don't start using opks until 4 days later (so start cd11) as clomid can cause false positives up to a couple days after taking so wait 4 days to be sure :) (no longer than that though)

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Thank you so much for that info!! That's all so helpful!
Huge congrats on your pregnancy, please God let it be a sticky little one! I know you yourself went through a much harder time than I did so I will be praying and hoping this is it for you!! When are you due?

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[Pbn3]

January 18th :) so only just pregnant. Hope to get some confidence when my ob does another scan in a couple weeks. All the best Hopper xxoo

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[lovellcute]

Hey! Just browsing the forum!
You mentioned becoming very obsessive with your last sway... I feel myself getting like that
I have suffered with diagnosed OCD my whole life with pregnancy etc making it worse
I can feel myself becoming obsessive and I've only been doing it a week!
But I've read that can sway blue
So good plan to be more relaxed this time
I think I am going to relax abit as stress if not good for anyone is it!
Good luck! Hope you get your little girl! Xx


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[kittendreams]

Hi hopper I also had an opposite last year- ds2 was born December 2016. I'm swaying again now and hoping to start ttc in September. I am trying to avoid the swaycessing I did last time too. I think your plan sounds really smart! Clomid, exercise, one attempt, vegetarian, coffee and fasting between meals are the best tactics I've seen on this site so you are really in a great place if you can do them!
Wishing you all the pink luck in the world xx

[XXforhubby]

^^^What she said!! I too had a sway opposite with my DS3. It was due to my total undoing- I was the swaycessing queen, haha!!

Your plan Hopper is exactly what brought me the DD I'm currently pregnant with. Just remember, if it takes you awhile to conceive, don't drop anything or change anything that is getting good results. Change up the stuff that doesn't sway, like jump and dump, lube, etc. Just keep on keeping on. Also, don't sweat the curve balls life will throw at you! Just keep on doing what you can manage. I couldn't keep up the exercise due to the stress of my DS3 needing surgery and only sleeping 3-5 hours a night the 7 weeks before my BFP. I also needed a 4th small snack due to the stress I was under. The point I'm trying to make is, take things as they come and just always do the best with what you are given. I'm a firm believer that this is the attitude girl mom's have that us all boy mom's desperately need!!

You can do this! Trust me!!


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[lovellcute]

Ok I'm pretty sure I'm swaycessing
Any tips on how to not do it???
Your sway that worked, did you count totals with an app etc or just guess?


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[TtcBlue18]

Thanks XX!! I will surely take any spare pink dust you've got!! I'm nervous of the Clomid but really think it sways so strongly that I'd be foolish to not give it a shot! I'm Sat here having my morning coffee later than usual with a much smaller breakfast than usual (and a bigger fast than usual) so here's to day one on my "lite" sway ��

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This makes me so jealous. I miss my coffee, fitting in my jeans and not stuffing my face 24/7. But it will be worth it for another baby, and even more so if I finally get my boy. Here, take ALL my pink dust! Hope you get your girl, it looks like you're making (what I would consider) the most important changes.

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[atomic sagebrush]

What specifically did you not like about e4d?

No, you can't just have one attempt when you usually O. That won't work. There is no other option, it's either e4d/e3d or else OPK. Or, you can just let hubby set the pace and DTD when he wants but that is a huge gamble on the Clomid.

Fine to go onto vitamins for now, cut back to 3x a week at some point prior to TTC. Don't just drop them, cut back for a while and then wean off eventually or even just keep going at 3x a week if you think you need them. I like you guys to do 1200-1600 mcg folic acid or better yet folate (more expensive though)

:agree: exercise, that's good.

As a general rule once a person has had a failed sway I have them switch over to PCO-type diet. I understand if you can't do that though. What about Weight Watchers? Will he catch onto that? We've had decent success with WW as a sway diet so I think that may be a good compromise.

yes fiber still recommended

Go easy on the weight loss, pace yourself with that.

Lack of sleep can definitely help sway pink!

12 weeks on diet = good results, the WW option included.

For whatever reason that 3rd boy is what gets so many of us. I had way less GD with my 4th boy than my 3rd. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok I'm pretty sure I'm swaycessing
Any tips on how to not do it???
Your sway that worked, did you count totals with an app etc or just guess?


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Just keep going with your sway till it all becomes old hat and you're used to it. Don't pore over the site and the stats looking for some magic combo of stuff that doesn't exist, just do what's worked for most people most of the time.

What I DON"T want you to do is replace stressing over sway tactics, with stressng over swaycessing "OMG I gotta calm down I gotta calm down my sway will FAIL if I don't calm down!!!" You see how at the end of it, that is really just the exact same thing in a different outfit? So you must acknowledge yes I'm going to feel some tension about this now and then but I'm doing my best and everyone feels like this. Over the course of time you will relax about the whole thing (and I believe tht to be at least in part why the 12 weeks on diet actually works better, it gives you time to settle into it all.)

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, thanks for that info hun. I'm completely clueless about it! I've not been on here much, if at all, since early 2016 so haven't really looked into much info on Clomid on the site. I really must!! Do you think it's ok if I don't use OPKs in the months between now and ttc? I just don't want to get obsessive! I was the definition of OCD when we conceived DS3 and though I wouldn't part with him for the world I'd love #4 (our 150% last child) to be a daughter.
I used the CB digital opks last time. Should I use them this time or go with cheapies?
How have you been keeping? I dunno if you remember me from the 2WW threads in 2015 but there's a handful of ladies I always wonder "how are they doing now?" X

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Yes that's fine not to do OPK in the months between now and TTC! Just want to be sure you're not taking Clomid in months you aren't TTC, right?

The Zoloft should help with OCD.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just thought of a couple of questions if anyone can help:

1. As I mentioned I'm taking iron for my anaemia. I can't negotiate on this unfortunately but I was thinking what if I take it this month every day and then from July decrease it to maybe 3x a week? We'd be having our first attempt in August so it's not that long lowering my dose and maybe my haemoglobin will have gone up by July so it won't matter too much.

2. I'm also on Zoloft as mentioned. I'd like to be weaned by the time we ttc. Do these types of meds help or hinder a sway or is that like asking how long is a piece of string?

3. I'm starting everything today. Lite diet and exercise. I lost weight fast last time when I did the cardio so this time I'm thinking maybe start with 3 meals a day and drop to 2 if I can closer to ttc. How important is it to calculate daily protein, fat etc? As I said I don't want to become obsessive and I did tend to get cray cray about inputting to MFP last time which I think doesn't help when you're hoping for pink!

Thank you xx

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1)Yes that's just what I'd have you do but only if you can make it without that. Iron has actually not been very predictive of sway opposites with many pink swayers having to take it at least 3x a week so of anything, let's not worry about that.

2)We believe Zoloft sways pink and it will help with the OCD feelings as well but yes best to be off at time of conception.

3)Both 2 and 3 meals are absolutely fine and allowed on LE Diet. NO need to EVER go to 2 meals. I had 3 when I got my DD. I think you should do WW and not worry about calculating the grams of fat and protein as long as you're sure you are getting ENOUGH (the main reason I have people track is to get enough, not worrying about too much.)

[Debahlgrim]

Reading through this thread a few questions came to mind:

1. There's talk of "undoing" of a sway - is that due to obsessing over every detail? What should I avoid? I'm trying to get a solid plan so I can chill and just do the light diet and cardio everyday, adding coffee [emoji37] and hubby is running and biking too. I tend to go through waves of type A personality when I get fixated on something and then some periods of time when I'm more type B and super chill about stuff. Haha.

2. Clomid... I'm assuming you can only get it if you have had a long time trying without being able to get pregnant? It's bad to take or it will overstimulate your ovaries or something? I feel like everyone on here has taken clomid or femara to get girls haha.


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[kittendreams]

^^^What she said!! I too had a sway opposite with my DS3. It was due to my total undoing- I was the swaycessing queen, haha!!

Your plan Hopper is exactly what brought me the DD I'm currently pregnant with. Just remember, if it takes you awhile to conceive, don't drop anything or change anything that is getting good results. Change up the stuff that doesn't sway, like jump and dump, lube, etc. Just keep on keeping on. Also, don't sweat the curve balls life will throw at you! Just keep on doing what you can manage. I couldn't keep up the exercise due to the stress of my DS3 needing surgery and only sleeping 3-5 hours a night the 7 weeks before my BFP. I also needed a 4th small snack due to the stress I was under. The point I'm trying to make is, take things as they come and just always do the best with what you are given. I'm a firm believer that this is the attitude girl mom's have that us all boy mom's desperately need!!

You can do this! Trust me!!


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Awesome advice XX as always! If I havent said it before I'll say it now-you and your second sway are my inspiration lol!

[hopper]

Hi hopper I also had an opposite last year- ds2 was born December 2016. I'm swaying again now and hoping to start ttc in September. I am trying to avoid the swaycessing I did last time too. I think your plan sounds really smart! Clomid, exercise, one attempt, vegetarian, coffee and fasting between meals are the best tactics I've seen on this site so you are really in a great place if you can do them!
Wishing you all the pink luck in the world xx
Oh maybe we could end up on the same DDG!! Best of luck with your sway!! And congrats on your DS2, mine is kerrrrrrazy but so darn lovable lol!

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[hopper]

^^^What she said!! I too had a sway opposite with my DS3. It was due to my total undoing- I was the swaycessing queen, haha!!

Your plan Hopper is exactly what brought me the DD I'm currently pregnant with. Just remember, if it takes you awhile to conceive, don't drop anything or change anything that is getting good results. Change up the stuff that doesn't sway, like jump and dump, lube, etc. Just keep on keeping on. Also, don't sweat the curve balls life will throw at you! Just keep on doing what you can manage. I couldn't keep up the exercise due to the stress of my DS3 needing surgery and only sleeping 3-5 hours a night the 7 weeks before my BFP. I also needed a 4th small snack due to the stress I was under. The point I'm trying to make is, take things as they come and just always do the best with what you are given. I'm a firm believer that this is the attitude girl mom's have that us all boy mom's desperately need!!

You can do this! Trust me!!


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Thanks XX!! I'm aaaaaaalllllll about that illusive girl mom attitude! Trying to aim for it, ridding myself of negative people Who tend to make me worse and focusing on my DH and 3 sons so it's helping!! Fingers crossed I can be just like you but if not and it's DS4 for us then I'm actually ok with that. Never thought I'd be at this point with GD but I think I'm overall a lot more at peace than ever before. I have triggers but not to the same extent at all! It's actually amazing this sense of contentment my newest lil dude has brought me!!
I'm sorry to read you had such a stressed out time with your DS3, I hope he's ok now xxx

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[hopper]

This makes me so jealous. I miss my coffee, fitting in my jeans and not stuffing my face 24/7. But it will be worth it for another baby, and even more so if I finally get my boy. Here, take ALL my pink dust! Hope you get your girl, it looks like you're making (what I would consider) the most important changes.

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Oh PLEASE take every last bit of blue dust I have!! If it helps at all I'm a big carnivore by nature. Every meal had meat. Rare steak is my fave dinner! And I could eat biscuits and crisps til they come out my ears. I'm lucky I have a fast metabolism (thanks dad lol!)

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[hopper]

What specifically did you not like about e4d?

No, you can't just have one attempt when you usually O. That won't work. There is no other option, it's either e4d/e3d or else OPK. Or, you can just let hubby set the pace and DTD when he wants but that is a huge gamble on the Clomid.

Fine to go onto vitamins for now, cut back to 3x a week at some point prior to TTC. Don't just drop them, cut back for a while and then wean off eventually or even just keep going at 3x a week if you think you need them. I like you guys to do 1200-1600 mcg folic acid or better yet folate (more expensive though)

:agree: exercise, that's good.

As a general rule once a person has had a failed sway I have them switch over to PCO-type diet. I understand if you can't do that though. What about Weight Watchers? Will he catch onto that? We've had decent success with WW as a sway diet so I think that may be a good compromise.

yes fiber still recommended

Go easy on the weight loss, pace yourself with that.

Lack of sleep can definitely help sway pink!

12 weeks on diet = good results, the WW option included.

For whatever reason that 3rd boy is what gets so many of us. I had way less GD with my 4th boy than my 3rd. :)

Thanks for the reply Atomic!

With regard to e4d I think it felt very regimented. Is it ok to dtd protected whenever we like (currently Zoloft has my sex drive at below zero but I'm hoping it gets better!) And just "pull the goalie" when I get an OPK? And as for OPKs if I go with using the CB digital ones is it best to wait for the solid smiley or go ahead on the flashing one? Or maybe that's a bad idea when the Clomid makes things so unpredictable!!

I actually was wondering if I should ask you about the PCOS diet. How would I know if I have a tendency towards PCOS? And what are the main differences between the regular LE diet vs the PCOS version?

Stealth isn't my strong suit. DH has copped on already that I've changed my diet. He's only perceptive when it suits him I tell you!! Anyway I am gone veggie now as a result. Day 2 and feeling good!

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[hopper]

Yes that's fine not to do OPK in the months between now and TTC! Just want to be sure you're not taking Clomid in months you aren't TTC, right?

The Zoloft should help with OCD.

No not taking it outside of actively ttc. I actually must fill the script to have it to hand!!

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[hopper]

So I'm on day 2 of my lifestyle change but think I will be a skeleton if I do it for too long.
I ate 1325 cals today (that was 44g protein and 37g fat) Did 64 minutes on stationary bike travelling around 28.5KM. According to MFP I will lose over 10lbs in 5 weeks if I keep that up. I ate 3 meals, no snacks, 3 coffees, glass of wine. Feel full to be honest. Should I fast for less time (15 ish hours today between tea last night and breakfast today) or add I'm a 4th small meal to keep up cals til closer to ttc?

Sorry for all the questions. Swore I wouldn't do this but would like to get it straight in my head before ttc xxx

ETA I'm 128lbs and 5'5 presently. Was at 121 when I conceived DS3. I checked MFP and it's telling me I actually got down to 118lbs about 5 weeks before we got our BFP so I was wrong before when I said 121 was my lowest adult weight! :)

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[atomic sagebrush]

Reading through this thread a few questions came to mind:

1. There's talk of "undoing" of a sway - is that due to obsessing over every detail? What should I avoid? I'm trying to get a solid plan so I can chill and just do the light diet and cardio everyday, adding coffee [emoji37] and hubby is running and biking too. I tend to go through waves of type A personality when I get fixated on something and then some periods of time when I'm more type B and super chill about stuff. Haha.

2. Clomid... I'm assuming you can only get it if you have had a long time trying without being able to get pregnant? It's bad to take or it will overstimulate your ovaries or something? I feel like everyone on here has taken clomid or femara to get girls haha.


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Please go and reread the answer I gave in this thread, pg. 2 about what NOT to do.

The people who go over and over everything with a fine tooth comb and post or send me a message every day about something either that they have read and now need to know how to incorporate it or why not to and/or about things that happened in 2007 that they can't stop thinking about because surely it means their sway will fail and/or who have sequestered themselves in a dark room (because, Vit. D, ya know) and do nothing and go nowhere because they may have to eat a forbidden food and/or who make up these big complex schedules where every hour of every month for 3 months straight is planned down to the minute (and they actually FOLLOW it!) and/or who test everything possible to test like their temperature and pH and blood and urine and sweat and tears and fly into a panic when it varies even only slightly and/or who go on for 9 months refusing to drop even the most reasonable of things and then all of a sudden have convinced themselves they are dying of low B12 and have completely ruined their fertility and now have to suddenly do everything to end up swaying blue, etc, etc, etc. Those are the things not to do. I can almost, but not quite (because if I could tell this, I'd warn people) pick out the people who are in danger of failed sways because of this stuff.

But DO NOT take this to mean that you have to freak out and panic if you do feel a little uptight about swaying because all that is, is replacing stressing over swaying with stressing over stressing. It's the same darn thing. So you have to say, of course I will feel nervous about this. It's important to me. But people get girls every day of the year not doing any of this deliberate stuff I'm doing and at the end of it all I'm going to turn this over to a higher power or to the universe because I know I've done the doable and trying to do any more than that, will only turn me into a control freak and mess with my sway anyway. And then get out of your house, off the computer, see a movie and go out to dinner and have a cheat.

2) Clomid. No, not everyone is on Clomid. Not even close. I didn't use Clomid when I got my girl. But it is fine to take even if you don't strictly need it. Interestingly it's actually more likely to overstimulate the gals who really DO need it to conceive - those with moderate to severe PCO - than the rest of us. You need to get it from a doctor and they typically won't prescribe it unless a person has need for it, meaning they are not ovulating regularly or have a short LP or just aren't geting pregnant after several months or years of trying.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for the reply Atomic!

With regard to e4d I think it felt very regimented. Is it ok to dtd protected whenever we like (currently Zoloft has my sex drive at below zero but I'm hoping it gets better!) And just "pull the goalie" when I get an OPK? And as for OPKs if I go with using the CB digital ones is it best to wait for the solid smiley or go ahead on the flashing one? Or maybe that's a bad idea when the Clomid makes things so unpredictable!!

I actually was wondering if I should ask you about the PCOS diet. How would I know if I have a tendency towards PCOS? And what are the main differences between the regular LE diet vs the PCOS version?

Stealth isn't my strong suit. DH has copped on already that I've changed my diet. He's only perceptive when it suits him I tell you!! Anyway I am gone veggie now as a result. Day 2 and feeling good!

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1)It's ok but it is not gonna help boost your odds of conception any. The issue is, people don't always GET OPK and/or may have false positive ones and that's the benefit of the e4d is that you're covered in that case. What I'd suggest instead is to possibly aim at positive OPK but be sure you have unprotected sex one time a week in addition to waiting around for the pos OPK to come. Your O day may change with Clomid so that way, even though it would be a bit of a longshot with some luck involved, it would still be possible to luck your way into success even if you don't get a pos OPK OR if you got one, but didn't actually O, and then did O a week later or whatever. Would NOT need to be regimented or scheduled at all, just whenevs.

2)I like anyone who's had a sway opposite on standard LE to at least try to aim at LE PCOS version. You don't need to do it perfectly but I would def. aim at making PCO-type changes. The differences and some other info you might find handy is in this thread. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html

3)I"m not sure you SHOULD be fully veg, though. One of the fairly important parts of the PCO-type diet is slightly fewer carbs and vegetarian diets can be quite carby so I would have a look at the diet and see what you think of it and if it's doable for you even in some form. the types of carbs in the PCOS diets are also better carbs (whole grains and fruit and veg) so do be sure you aren't doing the "teenage girl" vegetarian diet in which you're eating Cheetos and carrots and gummy worms as that will not only mess up your sway but will tank your egg quality as well.

[atomic sagebrush]

So I'm on day 2 of my lifestyle change but think I will be a skeleton if I do it for too long.
I ate 1325 cals today (that was 44g protein and 37g fat) Did 64 minutes on stationary bike travelling around 28.5KM. According to MFP I will lose over 10lbs in 5 weeks if I keep that up. I ate 3 meals, no snacks, 3 coffees, glass of wine. Feel full to be honest. Should I fast for less time (15 ish hours today between tea last night and breakfast today) or add I'm a 4th small meal to keep up cals til closer to ttc?

Sorry for all the questions. Swore I wouldn't do this but would like to get it straight in my head before ttc xxx

ETA I'm 128lbs and 5'5 presently. Was at 121 when I conceived DS3. I checked MFP and it's telling me I actually got down to 118lbs about 5 weeks before we got our BFP so I was wrong before when I said 121 was my lowest adult weight! :)

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Yep that's not gonna work. You MUST eat more. I do not want anyone but maybe 3-5% of all swayers on that few calories and I'd very much prefer you start off even as high as 1800-2000 range and see what happens.

On PCOS-type diet you will up that protein and fat to 50-60 g apiece. This in efffect cuts your % of carb intake and additionally you'll eat better carbs (not Cheetos and gummy worms!)

You should do whichever option works best for you - my inclination is a shorter fast and 3 bigger meals but some have gone to 4 meals, still better than the all-day munching that most of us boy moms tend to do.

[Debahlgrim]

Please go and reread the answer I gave in this thread, pg. 2 about what NOT to do.

The people who go over and over everything with a fine tooth comb and post or send me a message every day about something either that they have read and now need to know how to incorporate it or why not to and/or about things that happened in 2007 that they can't stop thinking about because surely it means their sway will fail and/or who have sequestered themselves in a dark room (because, Vit. D, ya know) and do nothing and go nowhere because they may have to eat a forbidden food and/or who make up these big complex schedules where every hour of every month for 3 months straight is planned down to the minute (and they actually FOLLOW it!) and/or who test everything possible to test like their temperature and pH and blood and urine and sweat and tears and fly into a panic when it varies even only slightly and/or who go on for 9 months refusing to drop even the most reasonable of things and then all of a sudden have convinced themselves they are dying of low B12 and have completely ruined their fertility and now have to suddenly do everything to end up swaying blue, etc, etc, etc. Those are the things not to do. I can almost, but not quite (because if I could tell this, I'd warn people) pick out the people who are in danger of failed sways because of this stuff.

But DO NOT take this to mean that you have to freak out and panic if you do feel a little uptight about swaying because all that is, is replacing stressing over swaying with stressing over stressing. It's the same darn thing. So you have to say, of course I will feel nervous about this. It's important to me. But people get girls every day of the year not doing any of this deliberate stuff I'm doing and at the end of it all I'm going to turn this over to a higher power or to the universe because I know I've done the doable and trying to do any more than that, will only turn me into a control freak and mess with my sway anyway. And then get out of your house, off the computer, see a movie and go out to dinner and have a cheat.

2) Clomid. No, not everyone is on Clomid. Not even close. I didn't use Clomid when I got my girl. But it is fine to take even if you don't strictly need it. Interestingly it's actually more likely to overstimulate the gals who really DO need it to conceive - those with moderate to severe PCO - than the rest of us. You need to get it from a doctor and they typically won't prescribe it unless a person has need for it, meaning they are not ovulating regularly or have a short LP or just aren't geting pregnant after several months or years of trying.

Hahaha!! Oh my goodness I was getting stressed just reading that. Last time I started swaying I was intense about it for a couple weeks and then settled in once I had a plan. I'm trying to get my plan set so I can relax and just pray for a girl and know I am doing what I can but I can't control everything. [emoji5]Doing WW helps because I am used to it and I just log in the food and stick within the points. I noticed I went over in protein yesterday so I'll adjust what I eat one day a little.

Thank you for thoroughly answering all my questions! Your answers always make me feel more at ease!


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