Swaying girl again after misscarraige

[Meg1612]

Hi everyone, I did the LE diet for about 11 weeks and we got pregnant on our second try back in June! Last week at 7 weeks and 5 days we had an ultrasound and baby was measuring too small and were told to prepare for the fact that things may not go well, had my follow up today and my scan showed everything had passed - I had 5 days of bleeding after the scan last week, I'm feeling mentally ok I had two early losses before having my two sons and it is an upsetting situation but I also believe it's just your bodies way of saving you from further upset at a later date.

I have been off the LE diet now for about 5 weeks so I'm wondering what the best course of action is either re start my sway and wait another 12 weeks and then go from there or just go for it? I've read a few posts about pregnancy before your next AF swaying pink so does that sway pink more than restarting the diet? We want to have another as soon as possible but we also put so much into our last sway that for the sake of 12 weeks I don't want to rush into anything, I plan to start taking my saw palmetto and vitex tomorrow and am going to continue my folic acid.
Thanks everyone!

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh Meghan I'm so terribly sorry to read this.

What has worked best for us is to get right back on the horse again and TTC as soon as you've got the doctor's clear. Yes, you've been off diet a short while but the effects of the loss on suppressing fertility seem to sway significantly pink. So go back on diet and exercise if you were doing that, wean off prenatals, and then try to catch that first egg.

Do NOT go back on V and SP. we have found that doing that before your first AF after your loss makes it take much, much longer for your cycle to resume. If you must restart them, wait for the first period bleed and start them then.

[Meg1612]

Thankyou for your reply, it was very upsetting news even though I had fully prepared for it I think it made it especially hard this time because it was your average "trying for a baby" situation, I don't think I'm going to exercise this time because but I don't think spending an hour on the cross trainer with just my own thoughts right now is a good idea, I do feel fine in sense that we need to move on from it and keep going but I'm just feeling quite emotional about everything, I did take a vitex and SP before I went to bed last night with my folic acid but I won't take anymore, I order some cheap ovulation tests just to monitor what's going on but we were just going to go for the E4D again? I haven't been eating a lot during this pregnancy anyway as I've been feeling really unwell but I have been eating meat and gone back to being a snack a holic! Lol so I'll just pick up where I left off, thankyou for your advice hopefully I can update you with some good news really soon! X

[Meg1612]

Also with my two successful pregnancies I took 75mg Asprin for the first 12 weeks it wasn't for swaying it was because the two previous losses I had were caused/ started off by a blood clot forming near the babies this time around I didn't take baby asprin and the same thing happened again so next time I am going to take it once daily from my bfp until 12 weeks because it seems to work for me but I have also seen a lot of people including it X3 a week as part of their sway so seems as I'm going to be taking it anyway do you think I should start it now?

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: yes just getting back to e4d is a great way to go.

RE the aspirin - if you need it due to a clotting disorder then it is fine to take and you should take it. People who DO NOT have that clotting disorder, whose blood clots normally or (like me) is on the thin side and tend to bleed/bruise easily, should not take it because it caused a lot of side effects and carried greater risks than we first realized. I have moved away from having people take it for swaying because it hadn't worked anyway and the risks and side effects were really major.
So that is fine if you have your doctor's ok on that.

I would be cautious about when to start it, though - if you are still experiencing bleeing from the loss I would not take it at all till that has stopped totally, and then I'd ease into it by taking 2-3 days a week at first to prevent the bleeding from resuming. And in case your doctor has not explained this (or doesn't know since many docs do not know this) at the end of the first trimester, you need to wean off it gradually by spacing doses furhter and furhter out till down to one per week, then it is ok to drop it.

[Meg1612]

I never took it before my bfp with my boys but I think i will take it a few times a week before hand this time and then just up it to every day after my bfp! No I don't have any bleeding I haven't had any for about a week now and at the scan they said everything is looking really good and we can start again so
Hopefully everything will go to plan! I weighed myself earlier and in the 5 weeks off the diet I have only put on 4lbs so it should be too much to lose! Thankyou for all your help!

[atomic sagebrush]

Please don't suddenly up it, either. Just go gradually. Please understand that your blood not clot, can be just as bad as having it clot too easily. I prefer everything happen gradually with aspirin.

[Meg1612]

Yeah I was thinking about it after I spoke to you and decided to not take it before hand and just start after my bfp as with everything that's happened recently I think it's probably safer to just start it afterwards if there's no benefit of starting it before hand

[Meg1612]

Hi atomic! I got a faint bfp this morning at what I believe to be around 11dpo based on my opk only as I have no idea of my cycle length because of the MC so it looks like we've caught the first egg! I'm a little bit nervous that I've only been back on the diet for not even 3 weeks though! But I'm hoping the short time on the diet + MC will be enough for us! Last time I came straight off the diet back to eating whatever I wanted whenever I wanted it and I don't want to do it like that this time! I'm gonna be a paranoid wreck for these 12 weeks I can tell! Do you have any sort of diet fading out pattern you would suggest for me? Like I was thinking I was gonna start eating a bit more when I wanted but stay veggie and then add meat slowly but I'm not sure how to do it all? X

[Girlswaylondon]

Not advice but wanted to say I'm so glad you got your bfp!

[Meg1612]

Thankyou! I was so shocked I only did it as I wanted to start my medacation at the earliest time possible so expected atleast a few BFN's! I'm finding it hard to be excited just yet but hopefully it will come! Another 12 weeks in the "danger zone" x

[atomic sagebrush]

Don't worry, we have good luck with conceiving soon after a loss for pink. Pregnancy and having a loss are also depleting.

If you were limiting sodium you can ease back into it, everything else you are good to go. I probably wouldn't eat a whole side of beef at one sitting if you were vegetarian, but that's more because it might make you sick, not because it can cause you harm.

[Meg1612]

I wasn't limiting sodium in either sway so I'll just get back on board the snacking train! Haha thankyou, hopefully I'll have some better news to give you soon x

[Meg1612]

Hi atomic! I feel like a crazy women right now! I feel like I might be having a chemical since 11dpo or what I think was 11dpo my tests haven't got any darker I got a pregnant 1-2 on Wednesday which is still the same today, my test this morning was maybe a bit darker but I just feel sick about it all I don't wanna of had a mc and a chemical in the space of 4 weeks! This time around I'm actually feeling worse than my actual Mc I guess I felt like going again straight away sort of helped me quickly set my sights on something new but I just feel so hopeless right now I will try and attach my test pictures bearing in mind I believe I'm about 16dpo and my lines were always blazing by this stage with the boys xx

[Babygirlquest]

If it goes first test taken at the top down to most recent test at bottom I'd say that shows clear progression and try not to be worried. I don't think you always get a strong line on those cheapie tests.

[Meg1612]

Yes it is first st the top last at the bottom! I really hope so I'm just a paranoid wreck and thought that by 16dpo I'd have a darker test also took another brand and there are also extrmenly light so hopefully the dates are just wrong, thankyou x

[atomic sagebrush]

While you never want a dark positive to suddenly turn light, I put very little stock into darkening pregnancy tests. It is all about the concentration in your urine and that can vary at this point.

But that having been said I do think those are quite light for 16 DPO on average. How sure are you about when you ovulated??

[Meg1612]

Well I'm not really that sure at all I used to temp but after the MC I couldn't be bothered! So I just know that I got a +opk on the 24th of august so I assume I ovulated on the 25th/26th but never did another opk again so I don't really have anything to base it on x

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. FX and TX for sticky pregnancy!! :)

[Meg1612]

I hope so! I'm hoping that due to the mc and no af in between that everything is a bit of out whack and maybe I got the +opk and things didn't happen that time and my body tried again a few days later! Hoping for the best, thankyou x

[atomic sagebrush]

Me too! Good luck!

[Meg1612]

Hi atomic! Test is so much lighter this morning that it's practically negative I know you said the darkness doesn't matter a whole lot but I would imagine from the darkest test I've ever had yesterday (all be it not that dark) to the one today just confirms what I have felt all along, I feel like I have the worst luck sometimes but with regard to my 3rd sway now would you advise that I just keep going? I think I'm gonna keep taking my Asprin because allthough it doesn't help a lot of people it's always helped me so I'm just clutching at anything now and I feel like I should just keep taking it! Am I on course for another cp if I just go again? X

[Meg1612]

It was a chemical :( af has come two days later than I thought it would x

[Bobster]

Didn't want to read & run. So sorry you are going through this. I've had 2 early losses too and it's so stressful. Hope all settles down quickly. Take care

[Meg1612]

Thankyou bobster! I really appreciate it x

[Meg1612]

Day 2 of af bleeding now and hpt is getting darker and darker my ovulation app put my ovulation date as the 28th rather than the 25th so I would now only be 16dpo, I only took the tests over the last two days to hopefully see a bfn (never thought I'd say that) lol but they are just getting darker, if I hadn't done any tests I would just think this was regular AF i thought maybe the chemical hormones were quite high and they would take a week or so maybe to go down but that wouldn't explain the tests getting darker so I'm at a loss now! X

[Meg1612]

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[Girlswaylondon]

A couple of my friends still had periods throughout their entire pregnancy! Not sure f this is the case for you but just wanted to add my friends experience x

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh Meghan I'm sorry to read this.

But, reading the entire thread I do want to let you know that it IS possible to conceive and then have a period, or what seems to be a period, and then be pregnant the whole time. It has happened to me personally - I had what seemed to be a full 5 day period but I was pregnant the entire time. Later on we found that I had a twin that had implanted right on my cervix and the placenta previa caused the bleeding and one of the babies to pass while the other stayed put.

What my concern is, is the aspirin. If you are losing a twin, or have placenta previa, or a subchorionic hemorrhage and you continue taking the aspirin at the same dose you may keep losing blood and even a viable pregnancy may come to an end. Is there any way to cut it to every other day at least?? I don't want you to stop taking it, just dial it back to let your blood clot a little better if that is what the issue is.

FX.

[Meg1612]

Hi atomic, once I sent you the picture of that dark test they got lighter and lighter and now today for the first time it has been completely negative - I think the reason I posted about it was because deep down I knew something wasn't right when I got pregnant with both of my sons I felt pretty care free despite the issues I've had because something just made me feel like everything was ok with them! I'm feeling really hopeful for our next try! I kind of feel numb to all of this that's gone on now and I just want to move on and have some happiness! I'm gonna stop the Asprin for a few days until this AF has finished and then start again - I spoke to my midwife aswell and she said it's fine to keep going once all the bleeding has stopped. Can I count the chemical as an actual AF? I feel a bit weird about only having AF in June and 7 week MC followed straight away by a chemical and then straight into another pregnancy so I would feel a bit better if the chemical AF was a proper one if that makes sense? X

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it counts as AF because there are so few products of pregnancy that they pass with the shedding of the AF lining. The reason to wait after a later loss is because there could still be remnants left behind but with chemicals that doesn't happen. :heart:

[Meg1612]

That makes me feel so much better thankyou! The MC bleeding from the first loss was so minimal that really in hindsight I don't think a pregnancy last month would have stuck because everything probably needed a bit of a clear out so I'm feeling so much more hopeful now that everything is back on track! Thankyou so much for all your support and advice I've had no one to talk to about any of this so you have been a life saver for me!

[atomic sagebrush]

Happy to be of help!! :)

[Meg1612]

Hi atomic! To cut a really long story short everything has been a nightmare for he past few weeks for various different reasons but I did BBT this month just so I could keep up with what's going on, I now have only 26 days until my next O and LE has been off and on practically out the window since august I guess I would have the MC and CP swaying a bit still? And I've started eating meat again but only chicken so I was gonna start walking to school for the next few weeks which is about an hour away and keep with the two meals a day but no really eating strictly LE I would leave longer on the diet and start again but due to DH work it really needs to happen this month so I'm just hoping for the best really but not feeling hugely confident about it x

[Meg1612]

I was also going to re start my vitex and SP on the first day of AF? I did plan to not take them whilst ttc again but because of the whole rushed last minute half sway thing going on I thought I would take whatever I could to be in with a better chance! Can I take my baby Asprin whilst taken them? X

[atomic sagebrush]

I would not have you do the vitex and saw palmetto. Those are things I drop after people have losses, usually. The saw palmetto is a blood thinner too and so taking it along with the aspirin may make your blood thinner, which isn't always a good thing.

You can have 2 or 3 meals on LE, please do what works best for you, don't feel you need to stick to 2 and be famished the whole time.

For some reason people always start eating chicken again but chicken is really not that great for upping fertility. I would have you do a serving of full fat dairy every day, 4-6 eggs a week, and then instead of or in addition to chicken have 1 serving of salmon if you like it, and red meat if you don't. These things have a kind of fat that is helpful to your fertility while chicken breast really doesn't have that much of it.

[Meg1612]

Ok I see i won't be re starting them then, as for chicken the only reason I was eating only chicken was because my partner thinks swaying is what is causing the problem and he doesn't want to anymore (I know this is total rubbish) and it's just been bad luck for us but I guess he's put two and two together and come up with 10! So I'm keeping veggie during the day whilst he's not here but I thought chicken might be less of a "blue sway" than say red meat?

[atomic sagebrush]

I see - yes in that case chicken is fine, it's just that for whatever reason chicken is what people add in and it really isn't terribly beneficial for fertility.