What next?

[Jeanette]

Hi!

So, another failed month. No pregnancy in sight. And an echo in my head "why isn't it working" last time was so easy.
I started my sway in february and have been TTC since april. I know it can take some time but the stress is now getting to me now. I want to give my 5 year old a sister (preferably) NOW.
I started out with one attempt at OPK+ first three ovulations. Last two months I did two attempts, but still nothing. Maybe I O later than I think!!
My cycles usually are 26 days and I get solid smiley CD 11 and 12. So I would assume I O on CD 13.

My question is how blue would it be to go e4d plus one attempt at OPK+? Or even e3d? What should I do to keep best odds of pink but still boost odds of conception at this stage?

I'm 36 and DH 39.
Only thing I do is vegetarian diet and some cal control. Have been loosing 5-6 kg since february, trying to stop the weight loss now, BMI just below 20. No snacks or breakfast. Only take folic acid.
Drink coffe and alcohol.

Thanks in advance for advice 😘

[atomic sagebrush]

I think you will be better off trying e4d without the additional attempt for at least 2 more months before going to e4d plus one at pos OPK. That is actually fairly blue friendly so I think you should at least try e4d first. To do this, have unprotected sex every 4th day starting the day after AF ends and keep going right through your next AF starting (unless you are 110% sure you know when you ovulated). You may be Oing earlier or later than you think. Don't try to make the e4d come out any particular day, we are counting on adding in a variation in the day you are attempting in case we are outwitting ourselves in the timing of our attempt.

ARe you doing anything like shallow release, J and D, hubby taking hot baths/tighty whiteys, lubricant jellies (even just saliva)?

I would try laying flat longer after attempt and spending part of that time on your stomach instead of just on your back, and also adding in female O to boost odds of conception.

[Jeanette]

Thank you Atomic!

Ok, I will try to be chill and go only for the e4d. In general, is that better odds of conception than one attempt at pos OPK?

No, I do nothing else like J and D, jellies, baths etc
Usually lay flat at minimum 30 min after.

/Jeanette

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, it is better because if you O early or later than you think you're still in with a chance.

:agree: spend part of your laying down time on your tummy. This seems like a small thing but has really helped.

[Jeanette]

Ok, on my tummy it is :)

What about e3d, how blue is that? Same as e4d with additional attempt at pos OPK? Just curious.

What is the stats between one and two attempts? Yeah, you can hear the stress talking huh...

You rock!

[atomic sagebrush]

The thing I dislike about e3d is that it is blue friendly and it doesn't even help boost odds of conception that much. Totally possible with e3d to have an attempt on O-2 and then on O Day (possibly too late to help) and that is still only one viable attempt (if everything from the O-4 attempt has died off) and if the O-4 hasn't died off and the O Day is not too late, that is the dreaded 3 attempts!!!

With e4d, you will always end up having 2 attempts in the fertile window no matter what. I just really prefer the e4d plus one.

Our present stats are not that illuminating on the difference between 1 and two attempts (this is because as "one attempt" became a thing, more and more people started doing it, and some of them didn't do diet and exercise, only did one attempt, and the success rate fell). But historically, there was a very clear cut difference between one attempt at 70% or better, two, which was about 60-65%, and then three attempts which fell all the way down to low 40's%. It was like this before we even knew one attempt did anything (so it couldn't have been people reporting it that way to make the stats "right", the results showed us one attempt was swaying, not the other way around) and stayed like that for years with hundreds of sways added. The gap between the two has closed recently but I think that's because people are doing one attempt and nothing else. So if you can stick with 1-2 attempts, it is WAY better than 3!

[Jeanette]

Ok, i will absolutely stick with e4d, lay on tummy and continue the veg diet.

I find this so interesting :) What are your thoughts on two attempts in a row at pos OPK? I for exemple usually get a solid smiley at CD 11 and CD 12. Is that more blue than the e4d? The problem with possibly not hitting O will still be there but otherwise?

[Jeanette]

Ok, i will absolutely stick with e4d, lay on tummy and continue the veg diet.

I find this so interesting :) What are your thoughts on two attempts in a row at pos OPK? I for exemple usually get a solid smiley at CD 11 and CD 12. Is that more blue than the e4d? The problem with possibly not hitting O will still be there but otherwise?

I mean e4d plus the additional attempt at pos OPK in comparison to two attempts in row.

Another wondering I have, people seem to focus a lot on the attempts, when and how instead of the diet. Or maybe it is just the threads I choose to read :)
Are they equally important or is one superior over the other? Myself focus a lot on the attempts now beacuse I have been doing veg diet and cal control for so long (do not count anything). Feeling quite relaxed and this is just how i eat now. Of course, in the 2ww I hope that it is the last month.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, i will absolutely stick with e4d, lay on tummy and continue the veg diet.

I find this so interesting :) What are your thoughts on two attempts in a row at pos OPK? I for exemple usually get a solid smiley at CD 11 and CD 12. Is that more blue than the e4d? The problem with possibly not hitting O will still be there but otherwise?

I don't like that approach as well because you're not covered in case of early or late O. Let's say you O on CD 10 or CD 17 and the OPK are misleading so you end up trying on CD 11 and 12. That will have you in with zero chance. Or, let's say that month you O 4-5 days late - you still surge and get positive OPK, but your body just hangs on to the egg a little longer than normal - again, if you're not having the e4d attempts you'd miss the month.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that may just be the threads you've read.

When looking at the one attempt, MOST of those people (not all, but most) were also doing diet. I think diet is paramount, one attempt is great if you can swing it (or if it's all you can do) but I don't want people to rely on one attempt - after all, like I mentioned yesterday, the more people started to rely on one attempt to carry their sway (the people who did ONLY one attempt without diet or with only a very short time on diet) the results on one attempt fell at the same time. Diet first and foremost.

[Missymaemar3]

So what really is the diet to sway girl? How much fiber and folate (can't take folic acid) should I do every four days then once at positive Opk?

[Missymaemar3]

The thing I dislike about e3d is that it is blue friendly and it doesn't even help boost odds of conception that much. Totally possible with e3d to have an attempt on O-2 and then on O Day (possibly too late to help) and that is still only one viable attempt (if everything from the O-4 attempt has died off) and if the O-4 hasn't died off and the O Day is not too late, that is the dreaded 3 attempts!!!

With e4d, you will always end up having 2 attempts in the fertile window no matter what. I just really prefer the e4d plus one.

Our present stats are not that illuminating on the difference between 1 and two attempts (this is because as "one attempt" became a thing, more and more people started doing it, and some of them didn't do diet and exercise, only did one attempt, and the success rate fell). But historically, there was a very clear cut difference between one attempt at 70% or better, two, which was about 60-65%, and then three attempts which fell all the way down to low 40's%. It was like this before we even knew one attempt did anything (so it couldn't have been people reporting it that way to make the stats "right", the results showed us one attempt was swaying, not the other way around) and stayed like that for years with hundreds of sways added. The gap between the two has closed recently but I think that's because people are doing one attempt and nothing else. So if you can stick with 1-2 attempts, it is WAY better than 3!



So should someone swaying girl do the every four days plus one attempt at positive Opk?

[Jeanette]

I think you will be better off trying e4d without the additional attempt for at least 2 more months before going to e4d plus one at pos OPK. That is actually fairly blue friendly so I think you should at least try e4d first. To do this, have unprotected sex every 4th day starting the day after AF ends and keep going right through your next AF starting (unless you are 110% sure you know when you ovulated). You may be Oing earlier or later than you think. Don't try to make the e4d come out any particular day, we are counting on adding in a variation in the day you are attempting in case we are outwitting ourselves in the timing of our attempt.

ARe you doing anything like shallow release, J and D, hubby taking hot baths/tighty whiteys, lubricant jellies (even just saliva)?

I would try laying flat longer after attempt and spending part of that time on your stomach instead of just on your back, and also adding in female O to boost odds of conception.

Ok, so my period is about to end and I'm preparing for e4d and next round TTC.
Not sure how I should count though? Seems to be different ways. I'm thinking two full days in between? Like this, attempt tonight tuesday, next will be on friday night and then again monday night and keep rolling like that?

[Pinkmama]

That is correct. I'm doing e4d right now too. Good luck


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[Jeanette]

That is correct. I'm doing e4d right now too. Good luck


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Thank you! Good luck to you :)

[Jeanette]

So should someone swaying girl do the every four days plus one attempt at positive Opk?

I'm pretty sure Atomic will advice you to start off with only one attempt at first pos OPK if you just started TTC.

[Missymaemar3]

It's my 4th month ttc she did tell me one attempt is a strong girl sway but she didn't tell me when within my fertile window and I know from past attempts bd 4 and 3 days before O the spermies don't survive so I want to get closer to ovulation I was thinking at my first positive Opk this time. Was also thinking about doing the lime tampon but I've read some bad stuff about it ehh.

[Bobster]

I think she has told you by advising bd every 4 days. Tbat way you are sure not to miss your fertile window.

Personally I'm planning to do one attempt at positive opk as my OH would not bd that much.

[atomic sagebrush]

Agh guys, lots of questions in here, can you bump this for tomorrow?? I'm having a busy day today.

[Jeanette]

When ever you have the time Atomic!

Wish you a pleasent weekend.

[atomic sagebrush]

So what really is the diet to sway girl? How much fiber and folate (can't take folic acid) should I do every four days then once at positive Opk?

Missy I think I answered this in another thread, right??

I like you guys to take 1200-1600 mcg (micrograms) folate.

With fiber, please use only the minimum amount on the bottle (this will vary by brand) and only before meals containing fat or fat soluble nutrients (A, D, E) your most common source of fat soluble nutrients without fat is skim dairy. You don't need the high amounts on the fiber package, they are for people with health issues and constipation and not us.

[atomic sagebrush]

So should someone swaying girl do the every four days plus one attempt at positive Opk?

I think I answered this in another thread but for the benefit of others who are now confused, please keep e4d plus one at pos OPK as a last ditch way to boost conception. NO ONE swaying pink with the exception of people who are in a critical race against time to conceive because they're like 45 or something, should start off doing every 4 days plus one more attempt at positive OPK. That is only for people who have tried one attempt and tried every 4 days and dropped all other sway tactics other than diet and exercise first.

[atomic sagebrush]

It's my 4th month ttc she did tell me one attempt is a strong girl sway but she didn't tell me when within my fertile window and I know from past attempts bd 4 and 3 days before O the spermies don't survive so I want to get closer to ovulation I was thinking at my first positive Opk this time. Was also thinking about doing the lime tampon but I've read some bad stuff about it ehh.

I prefer people have their one attempt at positive OPK simply because it's easy and good chances of conception. I never advise anyone to BD 4 days before they expect O, and barely tolerate 3 because I have to. :)

No one who has been TTC for 4 months should be adding in lime tampon. It cuts odds of conception hugely. (your choice, of course, but that's just my take)

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, so my period is about to end and I'm preparing for e4d and next round TTC.
Not sure how I should count though? Seems to be different ways. I'm thinking two full days in between? Like this, attempt tonight tuesday, next will be on friday night and then again monday night and keep rolling like that?

There are two different ways to do it. "E4D" is a method, not a set in stone schedule.

Rule of thumb is this: If you want better odds of pink, stretch it to 4 full days (so if starting Monday, your next attempt would be Friday. And if you want better odds of conception (but still a good chance of pink) then do it on the 4th day instead, so Monday/Thursday. Totally up to you based on your preference what you do, and it's of course possible to start off doing Mon/Fri and then close the gap to Mon/Thur for a couple months.

[Jeanette]

There are two different ways to do it. "E4D" is a method, not a set in stone schedule.

Rule of thumb is this: If you want better odds of pink, stretch it to 4 full days (so if starting Monday, your next attempt would be Friday. And if you want better odds of conception (but still a good chance of pink) then do it on the 4th day instead, so Monday/Thursday. Totally up to you based on your preference what you do, and it's of course possible to start off doing Mon/Fri and then close the gap to Mon/Thur for a couple months.

Thank you for sorting that out for me.

I will def. do the shorter span of e4d since this will be my sixth month TTC.
If I suspect that my next attempt will fall out on O-3 (it probably will on wednesday) I will have my attempt at pos OPK instead and then pick up e4d again from that. I must say I'm tempted to do e4d plus one, everything feels quite hopeless. But I will try to fight myself :)

Last two months I had two attempts at pos OPK (one attempt during three months before that) so I really hope this will do the trick for me.

[atomic sagebrush]

So what really is the diet to sway girl? How much fiber and folate (can't take folic acid) should I do every four days then once at positive Opk?

I believe I have mostly answered this question in another thread. I PROMISE I will answer all questions posted but it makes it much easier if you post only one time. The more repeat questions I get, the longer it takes me to respond to each question.

[atomic sagebrush]

I believe I have mostly answered this question in another thread. I PROMISE I will answer all questions posted but it makes it much easier if you post only one time. The more repeat questions I get, the longer it takes me to respond to each question.

See how confusing this gets??? I actually reanaswered a question I had already answered in the same thread!!:worry:

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you for sorting that out for me.

I will def. do the shorter span of e4d since this will be my sixth month TTC.
If I suspect that my next attempt will fall out on O-3 (it probably will on wednesday) I will have my attempt at pos OPK instead and then pick up e4d again from that. I must say I'm tempted to do e4d plus one, everything feels quite hopeless. But I will try to fight myself :)

Last two months I had two attempts at pos OPK (one attempt during three months before that) so I really hope this will do the trick for me.

:agree: In that case please feel free to add in that additional attempt if you'd like. I don't want you to feel hopeless!

I believe e4d plus one to be a very good way of conceiving and anyone who's been at this for more than 4-5 months, yeah it's probably time to start adding attempts. :) Just be sure you've dropped all the other stuff first. :)

[Jeanette]

:agree: In that case please feel free to add in that additional attempt if you'd like. I don't want you to feel hopeless!

I believe e4d plus one to be a very good way of conceiving and anyone who's been at this for more than 4-5 months, yeah it's probably time to start adding attempts. :) Just be sure you've dropped all the other stuff first. :)

Thank you for cheering and helping!
I actually had an attempt last night at pos OPK. Tonight it' time for the e4d if we can do it. Got a freaking yeast infection all of the sudden �� Sorry for TMI.
So BAD timing and not very nice. BUT Hubby will be gone for eight days next O...buhu. With that said I will be out for two months if this doesn't work.....

[Jeanette]

Good morning from Sweden (you are at sleep now I guess)

We managed to get a quicky this morning (DD woke up so I only had like 10 min laying flat after but better than nothing and maybe even good given the two attempts). I took a little PH balancing treatment last night and this morning we went for it, not to sperm friendly but I had to.
Don't know if I've Oed yet either but I feel calmer now, we did what we could with attempt at pos OPK (CD11) tuesday night and this morning e4d attempt CD13 (should have been last night).

So, now I'm in the official 2ww again but will continue with e4d in case of delayed O.

Thank you so much Atomic for giving me a piece of your time ❤️

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh great Jeannette, I think you had a great attempt!! Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[Jeanette]

Wow, this month it finally worked. I got my BFP!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Huge congrats!

[Missymaemar3]

I'm so sorry I'm still figuring out how to use this website on my phone :/ wasn't sure if my posts were posting.

[Jeanette]

Huge congrats!

Thank you Atomic! Feels both unreal AND nerve wracking :)
All I can do now is hoping for a sticky bean. Soon entering week 6.