What is wrong with blue swayers??

[Samish]

Hi

I randomly checked 2 threads in due date sub forum for ladies who are due for sep/Oct/Nov2017 and Dec2017/Jan/feb2018

All the blue swayers as indexed on first page are either getting opposites or they are team green. Not a single successful sway so far.

Here I am!! Worried again :(

[MiaMelb]

I've noticed this too. It's very difficult as a blue swayer as there is so few of us, many of who are also very private and not very active in the forums. Many of those in the due date groups who have posted sways seem to have done great jobs, many close to textbook and still it has not gone their way. In addition I have not seen the "swayed blue in 2017 and are having" thread updated recently and that seems to be the only place where we can see the results of some of the more quiet blue swayers. It makes me momentarily doubt the science of swaying, however, I know the pink sway results look amazing so having so many blue sway opposites must just be coincidence. I guess even with a great blue sway we many only be able to shift the odds to 65-35.

[Katie.Z]

I’m with you ladies! I was just telling my DH how most women I read about on this forum are swaying pink, or so it seams. Ive seen the “we are due” threads and its hard not to immediately feel discouraged. I’m really giving this sway my all so far, although I just begun and will prob not attempt until January, Feb or even March. Let’s try to stay focused and positive, and all we can do it give it our very best shot. I sometimes think if I chicken out and never sway, will I always look back and think what if, or will my burning desire for a son just fade away with time.

[Katie.Z]

Did you ladies do textbook girl things (unknowingly) when conceiving your girls? I’m just curious. For me, DD 1 was one attempt, and DD 2 was a surprise and in hind site we used pullout method with DD2. So although my diet has always been very blue friendly I think this really swayed for me. Also DH was a smoker unfortunately, but has recently quit. Anyway, I absolutely adore my girls (I feel like I must insert this here now lol) but adding a boy to our family would be a dream come true.

[LMSM]

I think it is coincidence too..no sway is a guarantee, and there's bound to b a wave of successful blue sways soon ;) am sure you ladies will get your boys, regardless of swaying, the odds are in the numbers...they're likely to be in your favour ;)

[kat1234]

Odds of 65/35 sound about right. I'm a blue sway fail for February, but excited to have a third girl. In hindsight I wish I would have considered the possibility that this baby could be a girl. I just *knew* it was a boy due to my 180 difference between when I conceived my girls and this pregnancy but nope! My only advice is know swaying isn't anywhere close to 100%.


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[LMSM]

Katie, am the textbook girl mom in many respects...
Little meat, exercise mostly cardio, low fertility (my 2 first girls were conceived with Clomid), carbs and sweets to fill me up rather than protein...
Dtd around O but not super regular outside of fertile days.

This time it was a true , like Kat, 180 degree change..
HE diet followed rather closely so massive increase in nutrients, animal fats, dairy etc etc
We got pregnant after only 3 cycles (but BFP cycle was the one where we truly did try, really try) when it took 18-22 months to get pregnant with our two first.
My only flaw, sway wise, was exercise..I just couldn't fit in weights between work, two young kids' etc.

No sway is ever a guarantee, it certainly increases odds, but even if odds are better than without swaying, it may only be marginally so...
Like Kat, I wish I had prepared myself more for this to be our third girl rather than being so utterly sure it 'could only Be a boy,surely with all we had done' ;)
In no way do I regret her, and her sisters are super excited....She was just meant to be :) and can't wait to meet her :)

[onelastsway]

Katie, am the textbook girl mom in many respects...
Little meat, exercise mostly cardio, low fertility (my 2 first girls were conceived with Clomid), carbs and sweets to fill me up rather than protein...
Dtd around O but not super regular outside of fertile days.

This time it was a true , like Kat, 180 degree change..
HE diet followed rather closely so massive increase in nutrients, animal fats, dairy etc etc
We got pregnant after only 3 cycles (but BFP cycle was the one where we truly did try, really try) when it took 18-22 months to get pregnant with our two first.
My only flaw, sway wise, was exercise..I just couldn't fit in weights between work, two young kids' etc.

No sway is ever a guarantee, it certainly increases odds, but even if odds are better than without swaying, it may only be marginally so...
Like Kat, I wish I had prepared myself more for this to be our third girl rather than being so utterly sure it 'could only Be a boy,surely with all we had done' ;)
In no way do I regret her, and her sisters are super excited....She was just meant to be :) and can't wait to meet her :)

I just wanted to say I have two boys, I've only ever done very light cardio - used to swim once a week if that - NEVER done weights - I really wouldn't see that as a flaw in your sway. Sounds like you did a great job and like you say, you can only ever tip the odds x

[fiveboys]

Hi ladies im not sure about the boy diet as obviously having 6 boys i done the girl sway but thought id tell you about my lifestyle before swaying for a girl incase it helps...so i always had a good breakfast exercised about 3 to 4 times a week mostly running or bodypump weight classes, was taking protein drinks and eating lots of chicken, only drinking water and some energy drinks and lots of vitamins..my hubby done pretty much the same diet and lots of weights. we dtd nearly every day...fx for all of you xxx

[Throwaway_panther]

Ha, we had a bit of a shitstorm around this time last year for a similar reason. It ALMOST makes me go, "Well shoot, IS it a seasonal thing?" but we have a ton of Aussie swayers, too.

BUT -- I can't not believe the science behind it. I got my DD doing literally 98% of girl sway tactics unknowingly, so it's hard not to look at swaying seriously. I do always hesitate to note the one study that said those taking longer to conceive actually got more boys [Worth Waiting For? | Science | AAAS (http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2005/12/worth-waiting)(which, when taken with swaying, might be that higher fertility isn't getting boys -- it's that women actively working to get fertile might be the key; getting pregnant despite harsh conditions implies the higher fertility). I know the original study is out there since I've read it, since this article extrapolates with some disproven data on Y sperm.

I only mention this because it's the only potential blip I find in the swaying methodology here, but it doesn't detract from the core of "more calories, more of certain foods, etc." leads to more boys, which we have the studies to support. That and I do still think men have more influence than we'd hope on here, but there's only so much many of us can do about that.

But I say all of this as me just being as objective as possible. I believe it works, and I believe this site has the most scientific basis for swaying than any other site.

Statistically, because there are so few boy swayers on here, our ratios are always going to be skewed. If you only have three people swaying and one gets an opposite, for example, it's not going to seem great

BUT as the general conception rate is around 51 boys to 49 girls among the general population, anything above that is going to imply we are doing SOMETHING. And I don't think the rate per year has ever dipped below 60% here, I think? It IS interesting to notice how much higher the girl rate is, but if only imo because I think it's we just have such a higher sample pool. Though that higher sample pool indicates more accurate results, making the girl swaying on here REALLY good. And since I was following all of it myself, again, I think there's got to be something to all of this.

ETA: Current blue success rate this year is a little over 64%. Sure, it's not the 70+ percent from years past, but it's also still definitely a majority -- nearly 2/3 people are getting their boys. I might do a total tally for all documented boy sways, since I'm not sure if we have an overall success rate anywhere.

[Throwaway_panther]

So the overall success rate (so since 2011) is 56%. That's still slightly above the general population ratio of boys to girls. Being very liberal, the gender ratio is 52% for boys; a more accepted number would put boy births at .502 (compared to girls at 49.7) The last two years had MUCH less swayers for blue interestingly.

I was having trouble tracking down the girl sway results from 2011-2014, but the total girl success rate from 2015 until now is 70%. That is very hard to critique -- those are phenomenal results. So it's hard to argue against swaying not doing SOMETHING, even though that 56% isn't as comforting as 70%. I might have some crackpot theories to the difference (ex: some studies say boy births drop from war, etc., and most of the world is dealing with some level of political stress right now -- maybe external factors are explaining the drop the last two years?).

Either way, noticing two sways is what's standing out to you. There are still more successes than opposites so far this year.

[Katie.Z]

Sounds like an amazing sway, and guess what you will never look back and say you didn’t try. Everything is meant to be this way. My grandmother has three daughters and their last and youngest is the one that calls for them
Everyday and she’s just the best person in the universe. Thank you for your reply LMSM

[Samish]

Thank you for the stats Throwaway_panther

This really concerns me now! Boy sways stats seems to be only 2-3% above the non sways boy/girl birth!

Most of the swaying science has already been debunked. We mainly focus on Diet, exercise and supplements here. And now even this seems to be not working.

I hope we all waiting to know genders may get our boys.

[Tali.kah]

I agree- we need the blue swAyers to be more active! It'll provide each of us support and improve our stats so that we have accurate numbers for what's working and what isn't. Failed sway or successful- these should all be shared :)

[atomic sagebrush]

You can't go off the due date groups. They are too small a sample and it's all very random since many people don't post in there.

https://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/56749-blue-sways-numbers.html

https://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-boy-sway-/58912-2017-blue-sway-results.html

https://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/56702-lets-talk-about-blue-sways.html

[atomic sagebrush]

I've noticed this too. It's very difficult as a blue swayer as there is so few of us, many of who are also very private and not very active in the forums. Many of those in the due date groups who have posted sways seem to have done great jobs, many close to textbook and still it has not gone their way. In addition I have not seen the "swayed blue in 2017 and are having" thread updated recently and that seems to be the only place where we can see the results of some of the more quiet blue swayers. It makes me momentarily doubt the science of swaying, however, I know the pink sway results look amazing so having so many blue sway opposites must just be coincidence. I guess even with a great blue sway we many only be able to shift the odds to 65-35.

??? I just updated adding nann's sway, if you guys know of sways that are missing by all means let me know.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi

I randomly checked 2 threads in due date sub forum for ladies who are due for sep/Oct/Nov2017 and Dec2017/Jan/feb2018

All the blue swayers as indexed on first page are either getting opposites or they are team green. Not a single successful sway so far.

Here I am!! Worried again :(

I think you need to look at this link instead. https://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-boy-sway-/58912-2017-blue-sway-results.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you for the stats Throwaway_panther

This really concerns me now! Boy sways stats seems to be only 2-3% above the non sways boy/girl birth!

Most of the swaying science has already been debunked. We mainly focus on Diet, exercise and supplements here. And now even this seems to be not working.

I hope we all waiting to know genders may get our boys.

Please read the following link https://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/56749-blue-sways-numbers.html

[atomic sagebrush]

So the overall success rate (so since 2011) is 56%. That's still slightly above the general population ratio of boys to girls. Being very liberal, the gender ratio is 52% for boys; a more accepted number would put boy births at .502 (compared to girls at 49.7) The last two years had MUCH less swayers for blue interestingly.

I was having trouble tracking down the girl sway results from 2011-2014, but the total girl success rate from 2015 until now is 70%. That is very hard to critique -- those are phenomenal results. So it's hard to argue against swaying not doing SOMETHING, even though that 56% isn't as comforting as 70%. I might have some crackpot theories to the difference (ex: some studies say boy births drop from war, etc., and most of the world is dealing with some level of political stress right now -- maybe external factors are explaining the drop the last two years?).

Either way, noticing two sways is what's standing out to you. There are still more successes than opposites so far this year.

The thing is, and Panther, we've already been through all this so I'm just using your post as a jumping off point and not as an engagement, just so you understand that -

During the early years of the site, the boys were doing great and the girls were in the toilet. We had 2 whole years where blue sways (and there were a LOT of results too! way more than we've had lately) were 70-80% range. and at the same time pink sways were 56% and then improved as we changed just a couple things...and the things we changed for pink were BASED on the excellent results for blue!! That's right, we improved pink sways because of things we learned because blue sways were working so well!

And at the same time for blue, we never changed anything. We got 70-80% (with bigger sample sizes) for 2 years doing exactly what we're doing right now and we kept doing that. So while I suppose that could have been just sheer luck, considering that most of our sway opposites have been in people who didn't want to do certain elements of the sway or couldn't, and also given that it matches up exactly with what those of us who have tons of boys do naturally, I still believe in it. We have a person who got 3 boys in a row with swaying. We have people who swayed for a boy and turned around and then swayed for a girl (successfully) and people who swayed for a girl and then turned around and got a boy (also successfully). We have people who got boys after 4 and 5 girls.

I have changed things to omit the wheatgrass, the almond milk, and EPO. We have to wait and see if anything changes. I am not going to change anything else beyond what I've already done until I feel we've given all this a fair shake. I think we're right, I think that what we are doing here is correct and we've had some unlucky breaks and yes, I'll say it, some people who did not necessarily follow through, some who really weren't that into swaying (I had a fair number of gals particularly in 2015 who fell into this category), some who came to us already pregnant, and some who had other issues that were out of their control.

I still believe firmly that it's the unexplained infertility (the people who just don't get pregnant and no one knows why), the people doing at home insemination, the DHs smoking, guys who are working out a lot, and husbands that are seriously ill and on medication that have affected our results negatively. The problem is that when we have a small group, a handful of results can change things and I completely and totally believe that if we did this diet in a population of people who didn't have any of these issues the results would be very different. And I also believe that every one of these couples gave themselves a better chance than they'd have had if they hadn't swayed.

Some of these things we cannot change and I refuse to start cherry picking and eliminate these people from the statistics because I think that what we're doing here is more important than numbers on a piece of paper. I don't want to cut anyone loose and tell them "well, sorry I can't help you, you'll make my stats look bad" because of something that their husband does or a disease that he has that they can't even control or that they can't get pregnant easily or they have to use a turkey baster to get pregnant. It is not their faults and I refuse to create this environment of fear and shame where people lie to me to trick me into making them a sway plan, and lie about their sways just to get emotional support. You know what happens on other sites when a couple can't do all the "sway factors" or they have to drop some along the way? They are told their sways will fail (which is DEVASTATING for a blue swayer to hear because it creates self-doubt that can cause sways to fail!) and they are not included in the stats. If a husband won't sway, the results are not included in the stats. Period. This alters the results to make swaying look more effective than it really is because they simply eliminate the people who are most likely to have an opposite beforehand.

I don't care if our results aren't good enough for some. They are inclusive of everyone and we all swayed and all deserve to have our sways included in the results. I would much rather have our results include everyone and end up with lower success rates than for me to pick and choose We're doing more here than me trying to prove some stupid theory correct - because we can't prove it here anyway. In order to do that, we would have to have a large group of randomly selected people who have never had children and have them test it to know. And then we'd have to repeat that several times to verify it. What we are doing here is about health, safety, sanity, conception in a reasonable amount of time, friendship and support. Those things come first and

Honestly I don't want ANYONE to use our numbers to decide whether or not to sway. I want you to go off what makes SENSE to you. And if it makes sense that drinking baking soda juice and eating having one attempt at O makes sense to you (given that we have gotten 70% and up girls doing that) then there are other sites out there. I'm not trying to talk anyone into swaying this way at all, I put it out here because I think it's better and I want as many of you to get your DG as is possible.

[Samish]

Thank you so much atomic for the links. You have given me new hope as always. I can't tell you how relax I am feeling right now. I will finding out gender in few days via blood test ( I guess results LL take 2 weeks) and I just want to announce it jumping over the moon with joy ❤️ but I am also maing up my mind to welcome dd3 in a family so I can reduce GD as much as possible

[pinkfairydust]

Do any of you wonder if people (especially the lurkers on this site that can disappear easily) are more likely to report back on a successful or unsuccessful sway. That could skew results.

Speaking for myself, I think if I get told 'pink' next time I'll be shouting it from the rooftops and will post about it here for sure. If it's another blue I'd probably go to ground and never report my results (sorry I know that's naughty but just being honest).

Maybe other people feel the same? Or maybe other go the other way and are more likely to want forum support if they get an opposite? Maybe successful sways are slipping through the net as people just move on with their lives and don't report back?

I'd be interested to know what percentage of people that have bought a personalised plan and get pregnant- what percentage then feedback with their results

X

[pinkfairydust]

Good luck Samish

[dancingdiva88]

I think one of the reasons so many blue swayers lately are staying team green is because (depending on their personalities) they hate failure. I'm a typical boy mum personality and unknowingly swayed diet and exercise with DD, not too mention had to use clomid to get her (the classic girl sway). But everything about my personality is very much a boy mom. I went team green because DH and I put so much effort and time into doing the blue sway perfectly (I'm a real perfectionist) and falling pregnant first time naturally now that I would be shattered because "I failed" and it didn't go as I planned with the results I wanted. I'm super hard on myself with my job and life in general and if things don't go the way I want then I fix it. Unfortunately if I have a pink bundle in here I can't "fix that". I'm already reading gender selection forms on here in Thailand and Hawaii to plan for number 3 if this one isn't a boy and I feel so guilty about it but I feel like I have to do something yo maintain control. Sounds stupid.

[atomic sagebrush]

Do any of you wonder if people (especially the lurkers on this site that can disappear easily) are more likely to report back on a successful or unsuccessful sway. That could skew results.

Speaking for myself, I think if I get told 'pink' next time I'll be shouting it from the rooftops and will post about it here for sure. If it's another blue I'd probably go to ground and never report my results (sorry I know that's naughty but just being honest).

Maybe other people feel the same? Or maybe other go the other way and are more likely to want forum support if they get an opposite? Maybe successful sways are slipping through the net as people just move on with their lives and don't report back?

I'd be interested to know what percentage of people that have bought a personalised plan and get pregnant- what percentage then feedback with their results

X

You know, it's interesting. I find the opposite to be true, the people who get opposites are EXTREMELY motivated to tell everyone that they got an opposite. And it isn't necessarily because they want support, either. Some people definitely want to stick it to me and it's not at all unheard of for someone to come back 6 months later and say "oh yes I did have a successful sway" but it's already the next year by that point! :) So I am sure that it all evens out in the end and this is the issue faced by everyone who tries to amass data in this way.

Despite all this we have had better than 50-50 results all in the "correct" way for the entire run of the site and the odds of that happening if this was all BS and random is 1 in about 5000. https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/59132-coin-flips-random-thoughts.html

You guys cannot put emphasis on the custom plans, though. If anything one would expect WORSE results in the custom plans because 9 out of 10 people who buy them, especially blue swayers, are dealing with health issues or other challenges, and this is why they feel they need the custom plans. I do not and never have offered anyone better results with a plan.

As everyone knows, I hold NO info back and help people in the free forums to the best of my ability the same as I do the paid-for plans and thus there should be identical or better results in people who didn't purchase a plan, since like I mentioned most of the people who buy the custom plans have mitigating factors that may make swaying more of a challenge for them.

[cosmosis]

I stayed team green because I wanted to learn to bond with the baby without caring about gender. I wanted to learn to hope and dream for my child without any gender bias and it has been wonderful. I didn't want to spend my entire pregnancy wishing and hoping it was a boy and not fully enjoying the little person from the start.Reaching a solid level of acceptance for the sake of self betterment and spiritual growth was VERY important to me. So, my reasons for staying team green are very deep :D lol. It has been quite the experience.

We have referred to the baby as "he" from day one and it just feels very masculine to everyone, even big sis lol. It has made the pregnancy much more exciting for everyone and we have really enjoyed picking out gender neutral stuff without any greens, yellows or gaggy colors. I have no regrets :D This pregnancy went by way too fast. I'm still scrambling to get everything together... barely halfway with the crib and this kid is gonna rip itself out of me any minute. Yikes! XD

[atomic sagebrush]

well put cosmo!! I hope you're doing well!!!

[Cc5025]

All going well I think I will stay green too, i found out gender with both by children but I think this time around I’d like to experience the excitement that you describe without being set or disappointed on gender. Healthy baby and a safe delivery is all that matters. Best wishes to you and your family x