TTC pink chat thread for November

[rainbowflower]

Let's get some Christmas BFPs!

[indigoviolet]

that would be awesome, bring them on!!
FX for everyone :fingers:

[rainbowflower]

would be lovely wouldn't it? :)

~~~sticky pink baby dust~~~

[Mochagirl]

Here's some baby dust, ladies!

[zanacal]

Good luck to all those ttc!

[Out of the Blue]

:cheerteam:
I'm cheering you all on!!! I hope to join this thread in a few mos. but I KNOW you guys won't be around then since you'll be preggy by then!!! Here's all my dust!!!

[purplepoet20]

My next cycle for ttc will start Nov 23, I may O Dec 3-7th not sure how my cycle will be, so I hope to get a bfp Dec 15-18th (the 16th is my dads birthday so maybe I can get him to make a wish for me)... We are not tell anyone until Feb 6th when we give DS2 a "Big Brother" book for his 2nd birthday.

[zanacal]

:cheerteam:
I'm cheering you all on!!! I hope to join this thread in a few mos. but I KNOW you guys won't be around then since you'll be preggy by then!!! Here's all my dust!!!

I don't think the thread is only for those ttc! Past and future pink swayers feel free to chat here too :D

[Indira]

Thanks for all the baby dust and cheers girls!
Good luck to all pink swayers!

[Indira]

OOTB I just read about your hubby and the icecream on the october chitchat, that is so so sweet :HH: I´m glad you have such a loving, caring person on your side.

[XXdreaming]

hey ladies! I am back! on cd10 just the le diet, vitex and some b6 and of course prenatals, FX for you ladies!! :)

[rainbowflower]

just been to the toilet and I have red blood when I wiped and (TMI - sorry) some on my underwear too... think AF is on her way afterall :(

[littlemisswilko]

ahhh no rainbow!!! fx for next cycle!!

[zanacal]

just been to the toilet and I have red blood when I wiped and (TMI - sorry) some on my underwear too... think AF is on her way afterall :(

Aren't you only a few days after O? Could it be an IB?

[Indira]

Rainbow, it could be an implantation bleeding if you OV-ed on CD 26 after all.
I really hope it´s not AF coming :(

[rainbowflower]

you're right I was only 3-6dpo yesterday (depending on which day I did OV on)... and I'm disappointed because last cycle AF turned up at 9dpo, cycle before that it was 7dpo and I've even upped my vit b6 this month to try and get it to the magical 10 days.
Unless implantation bleeding can be as heavy as AF it's definitely AF, the only slightly confusing bit was that my temp was still above coverline this morning and normally I dip down befre AF shows... but still, it's definitely heavier this morning more like my AFs and still very red

so I think that's it for us now until after Christmas. I need to regain some weight and not be all obsessive over TTC during our frist Christmas as just the 3 of us.

I asked for two psychic readings last month -one said she thought I was pregnant already or that I would be soon and that it would be a boy (in particular, my lost angel). The other one was one I paid for and she said she could see a January conception/BFP, and that tarot cards and pendulum both agreed it would be a girl. A January BFP would be perfect to me - an autumn due date is my ideal.

[Indira]

sorry B6 let you down this month rainbow :( but this way you can enjoy Christmas dinners and have that autumn baby girl :) FX for a January bfp and enjoy gaining weight...I´m slightly jealous lol
The idea of skipping a month wasn´t ever an option for me, but now I started to think about DS1, he will start school in september, now I´m wondering what be worse for him, having a little brother/sister a couple of weeks before or after him starting school :think:

[rainbowflower]

For you it might be easier, not sure about your ds?


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[littlemisswilko]

you're right I was only 3-6dpo yesterday (depending on which day I did OV on)... and I'm disappointed because last cycle AF turned up at 9dpo, cycle before that it was 7dpo and I've even upped my vit b6 this month to try and get it to the magical 10 days.
Unless implantation bleeding can be as heavy as AF it's definitely AF, the only slightly confusing bit was that my temp was still above coverline this morning and normally I dip down befre AF shows... but still, it's definitely heavier this morning more like my AFs and still very red

so I think that's it for us now until after Christmas. I need to regain some weight and not be all obsessive over TTC during our frist Christmas as just the 3 of us.

I asked for two psychic readings last month -one said she thought I was pregnant already or that I would be soon and that it would be a boy (in particular, my lost angel). The other one was one I paid for and she said she could see a January conception/BFP, and that tarot cards and pendulum both agreed it would be a girl. A January BFP would be perfect to me - an autumn due date is my ideal.

Where did you get your phychic readings done\/ was it internet based or someone where you live?

[rainbowflower]

Where did you get your phychic readings done\/ was it internet based or someone where you live?

The one that predicted I'd be pregnant already/soon was IC1111 on another forums, a few had said good things about her so I asked... although I didn't actually give her many details about us other than our ages.

This was the tarot one - http://www.readings-at-serendipity.co.uk/#/baby-gender-prediction/4535710869 cost £3.50 for a baby gender reading, and I told her my full name, D.O.B, TTC status, etc.

[littlemisswilko]

thanks hun!!!

[rainbowflower]

going to go for it? if you do let me know what she says for you!

[littlemisswilko]

im thinking about it, did try to contact IC1111 but it wont let me PM her as i need to be a gold member, but i know that the gold membership is broken, is she on any other forum

[rainbowflower]

I think IC1111 is having a break from doing readings anyway? she said she was finding it hard to "read" people lately...

[littlemisswilko]

ohhh okay!! thanks again!!!

[fresas]

IC1111 was the lady who told me girl. She had some really other general, but interesting insight in some other areas of our lives, even though I just had to tell her my DOB and DH DOB.

I have seen her tell people they will have another of the same gender, too. I don't think she always tells people what they want to hear. I have never had other readings so I couldn't tell you if the girl prediction is probably right.

Yes, I did see she said she was taking a break for now. I think she is in her last trimester of pregnancy 3 or 4 and may also be a student if I remember correctly?

I saw my MD last week and she said she wants me to try hormonal birth control to try to regulate my hormones as I have had sudden weight gain, irregular periods, the past couple of months despite being on medication and herbs for PCOS. I kind of what to ask Babydoctor what she recommends for PCOS because I really don't like being on hormonal birth control even though we aren't necessarily TTC right now. The BC makes me all weepy, gain weight, low libido, etc, even progesterone only BC. Meh. If this cycle is anything like my normal cycles, I should be getting AF in about 6 days.

[rainbowflower]

fresas I didn't tell her our DOB, just our ages... no other info at all. I don't think I gave any clues as to our gender preference or any other personal details for that matter. I'm not saying she will be wrong on gender, but she has been wrong about me getting pregnant. She did seem like a very nice lady, though!

[Chicky]

I should O by the end of the week. I have been so good with everything so looking forward to another attempt. I also will be taking a break after this cycle to gain weight and not sway again over the holidays. I debated one more attempt in early dec but won't be able to get away with not eating at thanksgiving because I am going to my in laws and then my parents. Both sets of parents have been watching me and telling me to eat because I am too thin.

[rainbowflower]

Sounds like a good plan Chicky! It's weird adjusting to eating normally again, I feel like I get full faster and not enjoying the food that I longed for like I thought I would.
How much are you hoping to regain? Im hoping to put 6-7lbs back on

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[Chicky]

I hope to put about 7 pounds back on too! But so not looking forward to starting this diet again so fx for bfp this month (would be a great bday gift to me!!!)

[Out of the Blue]

Hi, guys! Sorry I’ve been neglecting this thread. These past few days have been CRAZY BUSY. I sooo wish that weekends were 3 days instead of 2. I think the world would be a happier, more relaxed yet more productive place!


I don't think the thread is only for those ttc! Past and future pink swayers feel free to chat here too :D

Thanks! I'll stick around!!!


OOTB I just read about your hubby and the icecream on the october chitchat, that is so so sweet :HH: I´m glad you have such a loving, caring person on your side.

Oh, Indira...I'd be lost w/out DH! I'm so lucky to have him. I think he's gained about 10 lbs in the last few wks, probably from greiving but I think he justifies it to himself b/c he thinks it'll only help the sway. He's not overweight at all and is still very trim. He's given up working out and lifting weights (which is a BIG change for him). He's doing great w/the sway but I'm still not where I want to be yet. I think mentally, I'm not ready. When I'm doing well for awhile and things are constantly positive for me mentally, we'll go for it (as long as my body is also ready). TTC is looking more like Jan for us but we'll see... As much as I'd love to do my next 2ww w/you, I want that little pink bean in your belly by the time I get there!!! :cheer:



I asked for two psychic readings last month -one said she thought I was pregnant already or that I would be soon and that it would be a boy (in particular, my lost angel). The other one was one I paid for and she said she could see a January conception/BFP, and that tarot cards and pendulum both agreed it would be a girl. A January BFP would be perfect to me - an autumn due date is my ideal.

So sorry it's not your month, rainbow. Sounds like you're still right on track for your sweet pink autumn baby, though! It'll be really nice for you to enjoy the holidays, especially b/c it's the first w/the 3 of you!

[Out of the Blue]

The one that predicted I'd be pregnant already/soon was IC1111 on another forums, a few had said good things about her so I asked... although I didn't actually give her many details about us other than our ages.

IC's reading for me was actually good for this last pregnancy...She said it was a tough one but in the end, predicted "girl" and I was afraid to believe her but she was a girl. She also mentioned something about this girl being a twin soul to one of my other kiddos. I think she was a bit clouded on that though, b/c I had twins in my belly at that time but she seemed to think I only had one but did mention the "twin" connection w/one of my other kids. When I asked for my reading, I had no signature yet so she couldn't see anything obvious about me. I don’t know if I believe in this stuff and it’s hard to know who has the “gift” and who does not but when you’re preggo and desperately wanting to get a clue as to the gender of your little one, these readings are great! Especially if they’re free!


I have seen her tell people they will have another of the same gender, too. I don't think she always tells people what they want to hear.

Yep...That's why I liked her.


I saw my MD last week and she said she wants me to try hormonal birth control to try to regulate my hormones as I have had sudden weight gain, irregular periods, the past couple of months despite being on medication and herbs for PCOS. I kind of what to ask Babydoctor what she recommends for PCOS because I really don't like being on hormonal birth control even though we aren't necessarily TTC right now. The BC makes me all weepy, gain weight, low libido, etc, even progesterone only BC. Meh. If this cycle is anything like my normal cycles, I should be getting AF in about 6 days.

Hoping you can get your hormones regulated! It can be really challenging when they're out of whack! KUP


I should O by the end of the week. I have been so good with everything so looking forward to another attempt. I also will be taking a break after this cycle to gain weight and not sway again over the holidays. I debated one more attempt in early dec but won't be able to get away with not eating at thanksgiving because I am going to my in laws and then my parents. Both sets of parents have been watching me and telling me to eat because I am too thin.

YAY....Thinking BFP THOUGHTS for you for this attempt! Then you can keep on eating, right into the New Year! (wanted to insert a "stuffing your face w/food" smiley but couldn't find one If this isn't your time, though, you'll still be able to enjoy the holidays...I like your plan!

Im hoping to put 6-7lbs back on

Ha, ha...I'm hoping to take 6-7 lbs off!!! You could have my extra lbs!!!:rofl:

[Chicky]

What happened to this thread? Used to be more active. I usually have no trouble skipping breakfast but this morning I am soooo hungry! Had a follicle check yesterday cd12 and have two that should be mature in about 3 days so attempting soon!

[nuthinbutpink]

What happened to this thread? Used to be more active. I usually have no trouble skipping breakfast but this morning I am soooo hungry! Had a follicle check yesterday cd12 and have two that should be mature in about 3 days so attempting soon!

Are you doing an IUI or just at home? Good luck!

[Indira]

Exciting chicky! I also had a hard time with the diet when I OV-ed this cycle, had some nice cheats right after :)
FX you´ll be pregnant soon!

[Mochagirl]

Hey ladies - I'm still here - sorry I haven't been posting much. Baby dust to everyone!

[Indira]

When I'm doing well for awhile and things are constantly positive for me mentally, we'll go for it (as long as my body is also ready). TTC is looking more like Jan for us but we'll see... As much as I'd love to do my next 2ww w/you, I want that little pink bean in your belly by the time I get there!!! :cheer:
OOTB :awe: thank you, but you never know, I have a strong feeling we´re going to be due date buddies in the end..
I think you´re very wise and handling your loss and ttc-ing again in the best way :hug2:

[Out of the Blue]

What happened to this thread? Used to be more active. I usually have no trouble skipping breakfast but this morning I am soooo hungry! Had a follicle check yesterday cd12 and have two that should be mature in about 3 days so attempting soon!

I know! I hear crickets chirping every time I come here! We need to pick things up! Wow...great news on the folli check! TTC time is so exciting! FX for you...KUP!!! :luck: :pinksperm: :luck:

[Out of the Blue]

OOTB :awe: thank you, but you never know, I have a strong feeling we´re going to be due date buddies in the end..
I think you´re very wise and handling your loss and ttc-ing again in the best way :hug2:

Awww...I kind of hope so, even though you need your eggie to be preggie before me!

Right now, my body is showing signs of O but I'm not sure I will actually do it this cycle. No biggie since we're not TTC yet anyway. It's just nice to know that my body is moving on. I got a +OPK yesterday (they've been neg for the past 2 wks) and all the other signs are there internally. My temps have been dipping but yesterday and today they rose just a bit, not a lot to indicate O had taken place. Things are working in there!

Hey! You're 10 dpo! Are you in the 2ww or were you sitting this cycle out?

[Out of the Blue]

Hey ladies - I'm still here - sorry I haven't been posting much. Baby dust to everyone!

Awww...Hey, Mocha! I miss you! You're baby is a prune!!! I think she's actually a PINK prune! I have really, really strong pink vibes from you!

Thanks for the baby dust! We all are hoarding gobbs of it!

[Chicky]

Hey! You're 10 dpo! Are you in the 2ww or were you sitting this cycle out?

Indira, I'm wondering the sam thing!

OOTB that's great that your body is doing what it is supposed to!

NBP I am just doing an at home attempt.

But this is my last attempt until after the holidays so I'm trying to decide what to do to help get a bfp without sacrificing my sway. I am doing things the IG way (since that's what I knew and planned for so long). I am doing O+12 which I know isn't great since it's just one shot, but that is what I really want to do. I am also using a dc and was going to lower the sample in the cup with lime but don't want to kill off too many. My ph is in the 4's right now and dh is about 7-7.5 last we checked a week ago. Thinking I may just lower it to 5.5. AS said I should use lime because using the dc keeps the sperm in so the lime would help to lower sperm count. I did this last cycle too but I lowered it to 4.5 and I just fear I killed them all off! I won't use the lime tampon this time. So I'll do a little acijel in the morning, sudafed an hour before, will line the dc with a tiny bit of sylk, lower the sample with a little lime and think I'll just stop there. I'll check my ph a few times, but last cycle it hadn't raised after I inserted the dc so hoping that's the case this time too. Any other suggestions to help me get pg but not sacrifice my sway?

[Mochagirl]

Awww...Hey, Mocha! I miss you! You're baby is a prune!!! I think she's actually a PINK prune! I have really, really strong pink vibes from you!

Thanks for the baby dust! We all are hoarding gobbs of it!

Aww....thanks, OOtB! I really, really hope you're right. As my 12 week u/s approaches I'm getting really anxious and being reminded of the GD I experienced after swaying unsuccessfully with ds3.

[zanacal]

Just waving hi to everybody and wishing you all lots of luck wherever you are on this swaying rollercoaster!

Chicky - how many months will your doctor keep you on Clomid? Are you willing to change your plans if you're nearing the end of that time period and you're not getting pregnant using those methods? I'm worried that your chances of getting pregnant are low with the one shot/O+12/lime etc. but of course I wish you all the luck in the world!

[Indira]

I'm worried that your chances of getting pregnant are low with the one shot/O+12/lime etc. but of course I wish you all the luck in the world!
Chicky, I agree with zanacal and worried about this too for you. Good you´re planning on using less lime this time.

OOTB good your body is gearing up for baby making again!

Yes I am in 2 ww but pretending very hard like I´m not :hide:

[zanacal]

Indira, spill the beans!!

[rainbowflower]

Indira - just spotted your chart, congratulations!! :D

[Indira]

Yes :) thank you rainbowflower, not posting symptoms worked for me, I tested this morning because I was getting a lot of symptoms yesterday and there were 2 lines!
I am very happy and hoping AF stays away tomorrow and that it sticks!
It is really a weird chart, my temps never got up like they usual do, but they were steady, it´s probably the B6 that had this effect and stabilised my hormones.

[Chicky]

Woohoo! Congrats Indira!

[Chicky]

Chicky - how many months will your doctor keep you on Clomid? Are you willing to change your plans if you're nearing the end of that time period and you're not getting pregnant using those methods? I'm worried that your chances of getting pregnant are low with the one shot/O+12/lime etc. but of course I wish you all the luck in the world!
Well this is my last cycle til after the holidays but I have one more refill left to use if I have to. That's why I am scared to do the attempt I planned but I don't want to risk a boy getting through! Sounds awful I know. Hopefully less lime will help.

[lemon2012]

Sounds like a big congrats to Indira!
How do you feel? Nervous? excited?
Please tell me how you did it??
I have a 5 year old and 3 year and just trying to figure things out!

Hope you feel well:)
And pink:)

[Out of the Blue]

Yes I am in 2 ww but pretending very hard like I´m not :hide:

Ha, ha...This is really funny! Especially reading it now, preggy Mama! :wink: YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!

Got my FX for you to get a BFP this next time, Chicky! Do what you feel is right...

:wave:...hi, Lemon!

[Out of the Blue]

So it appears that I did end up having my first PP O...It happened on 11-11-11...We should have TTC, lol! Seriously, though, we're waiting until my first PP AF comes back and then we'll go from there. Right now, I'm pretty relaxed and just trying to focus on positive things for the outcome. I don't care if it takes me a year to get preggers again...we just want a healthy bub to come out of this one...(and please make her pink, lol!)

[Indira]

That is good news ootb! That it happened on 11-11-11 must be a good omen. I love how relaxed you are, that will get you pregnant soon and is so good for pink. FX

Chicky I saw your thread, how frustrating! I really hope you don´t loose this month too, FX you ovulate soon.

[lemon2012]

Hi everyone,
Indira..how is it going? 4 dpo!!!!

ootb..cute wave!
Yeah for af..I think! I agree with Indira, you seem so relaxed. Sways pink..good for you. I really think it helps and you are not pressured. Hmm, wish I could learn from you!

Chicky...good luck. Hope you are relaxed and ready to go!

[Out of the Blue]

Hey, Lemon...sorry...I probably forgot but which diet are you doing? What are you eating these days? Just curious since I'm stuck in a rut w/my salads and air-popped popcorn...I actually looove my salads but I can't find a really good dressing that's girl-sway friendly. I've been dabbling w/making my own but I'm sick of balsamic vinegar.

Hey, Indira! How's life w/real food??? Eat some extra for us!! Hope that pink sweetie is snuggled in and growing well! :cheer:

Chicky, Hope all is well!!! :luck:

[Indira]

Good luck lemon!


Hey, Indira! How's life w/real food??? Eat some extra for us!! Hope that pink sweetie is snuggled in and growing well! :cheer: I hope so too :), thanks ! I´m not so sure about that pink, it´s weird that now that I´m pregnant I can´t change anything about my sway anymore, no more thinking I could do this or that better, I have to find a new hobby now lol. I´m thinking more about the blue elements in my sway these days, but I don´t care for now. I´m just happy for now AF is staying away. Life with real food is good, my boys can all be very happy about it too, being able to snack reaaally improved my mood :) However, surprisingly, the relief of being pregnant is a lot bigger than the relief of being able to eat. Food is just food, I think it was you who said that and that´s what it´s like.

[lemon2012]

Hey, Lemon...sorry...I probably forgot but which diet are you doing? What are you eating these days? Just curious since I'm stuck in a rut w/my salads and air-popped popcorn...I actually looove my salads but I can't find a really good dressing that's girl-sway friendly. I've been dabbling w/making my own but I'm sick of balsamic vinegar.

Hey, Indira! How's life w/real food??? Eat some extra for us!! Hope that pink sweetie is snuggled in and growing well! :cheer:

Chicky, Hope all is well!!! :luck:

HMMMMM...what diet...well, low sodium for sure. We ate a lot of food that was high in sodium with DS2. We make a lot of things from scratch and never food from boxes...for instance tonight we had tilipia with homemade panko bread crumbs, cooked spinach and some mac and cheese for the kids. DH was sick of rice.
Last night was veggie quiche....eggs, veggies, and fairly low sodium.
I eat way too much yogourt!
Rice cakes
Cukes
no breakie
peppermint tea (although, i started vitex the other day so i just have tea now)

Low red meat but we ate it Sunday and Monday! It is very seldom.
We eat chicken, rice, veggies.
BORING!
I want take out thai or chinese!
I want a real gooey pizza! hahaha!
I still drink my coffee in the morning. I still snack this week but week of o I don't.
I was not eating salads bc IG diet basically only sad certain greens but not veggies and salad. We have started eating...thank you gender dreaming,,..not as strict!
Not sure what else right now....fish, chicken and rice...with very little spice and nothing not homemade..that is key with sodium.
OH, duh, pasta! However, this week I think the extra carbs are not in my favour. A low testosterone diet is low in carbs. I think I have high testosterone and I have been eating a lot of creamy pasta!

SO, today is cd 7...trying to decide to do it today and every other up to o.....or what!
HELP!

[lemon2012]

Hi Indira,
Thanks!
I actually think once I am pregnant I won't dwell on what I can do,,..maybe stress over it. But, at least I will be pregnant, no more unknowns!
I hope your bean sticks and I hope it is a girl!

[lemon2012]

PS: Indira
Everyone, I am sure, has a friend that tried this or that...but, my friend did 0-3 and just before o.
GIRL!
So, we all have a chance right!!!!

[Out of the Blue]

However, surprisingly, the relief of being pregnant is a lot bigger than the relief of being able to eat. Food is just food, I think it was you who said that and that´s what it´s like.

Yeah...I got over the thrill of being able to eat what I wanted again pretty quickly...almost automatically and I never really indulged in the things I thought I would. Being preg is the real prize! WOO-HOO for BFPs!!!

[Mochagirl]

I agree - I didn't eat half of the stuff I dreamed about while on the LE diet once I got my BFP. I remember going out and buying all these chips thinking I'd eat them every night and I think there are still several unopened packages sitting in my cupboard. Of course, now that I'm on the LE diet again they're all I can think about and they're calling my name.... Hopefully I won't have to be on the diet for as long this time - after 5 months on the diet last time I TTC I think I was starting to go loopy!

[Out of the Blue]

HMMMMM...what diet...well, low sodium for sure. We ate a lot of food that was high in sodium with DS2. We make a lot of things from scratch and never food from boxes...for instance tonight we had tilipia with homemade panko bread crumbs, cooked spinach and some mac and cheese for the kids. DH was sick of rice.
Last night was veggie quiche....eggs, veggies, and fairly low sodium.
I eat way too much yogourt!
Rice cakes
Cukes
no breakie
peppermint tea (although, i started vitex the other day so i just have tea now)

Low red meat but we ate it Sunday and Monday! It is very seldom.
We eat chicken, rice, veggies.
BORING!
I want take out thai or chinese!
I want a real gooey pizza! hahaha!
I still drink my coffee in the morning. I still snack this week but week of o I don't.
I was not eating salads bc IG diet basically only sad certain greens but not veggies and salad. We have started eating...thank you gender dreaming,,..not as strict!
Not sure what else right now....fish, chicken and rice...with very little spice and nothing not homemade..that is key with sodium.
OH, duh, pasta! However, this week I think the extra carbs are not in my favour. A low testosterone diet is low in carbs. I think I have high testosterone and I have been eating a lot of creamy pasta!

SO, today is cd 7...trying to decide to do it today and every other up to o.....or what!
HELP!

So you're doing an IG+LE diet it sounds like! As far as testosterone goes, cutting back on protein really helps to lower it. It sounds like you are cutting back on your meat intake so that will help. On the LE diet, white carbs are what a lot of women eat but I don't do that so much b/c I seem to not lose weight if I do. I could never do the IG diet, lol! I love my salads too much! Hope they don't get me in trouble! I usually eat romaine lettuce but I've been mixing it w/iceburg lettuce to cut the nutrients. I'll be switing over to straight iceburg in a wk or so. I'm really dragging my feet to do so since I think it tastes terrible.

I'm soooo w/you on the Asian take-out!!!! My mouth is watering just thinking about it now! I love pizza and anything w/garlic in it too! YUMMMMMO!

[Mochagirl]

I still eat the occasional piece of pizza on the LE diet - it helps keep me sane. If I've been very careful for the rest of the day and choose simple cheese pizza, I can often eat 1-2 pieces and stay within the guidelines. Look up your favourite pizza chain online and check out their nutritional info to see if you could fit it in to your diet. Atomic said not to worry about the tiny amount of garlic you might find in pizza sauce or low sodium pasta sauce. Besides, I've vowed not to worry too much about garlic this time around - I'm trying to take it a bit more easy so I can have more of the foods I enjoy and not make myself completely miserable about having to be on the diet again.

[Out of the Blue]

I still eat the occasional piece of pizza on the LE diet - it helps keep me sane. If I've been very careful for the rest of the day and choose simple cheese pizza, I can often eat 1-2 pieces and stay within the guidelines. Look up your favourite pizza chain online and check out their nutritional info to see if you could fit it in to your diet. Atomic said not to worry about the tiny amount of garlic you might find in pizza sauce or low sodium pasta sauce. Besides, I've vowed not to worry too much about garlic this time around - I'm trying to take it a bit more easy so I can have more of the foods I enjoy and not make myself completely miserable about having to be on the diet again.

That's a great strategy, Mocha! I'm kind of doing the same b/c I know it'll be too hard to stay on the diet otherwise. This time around, I'm just kind of floating...still eating close to the diet, but not depriving myself when I know I need it. It feels good. I loosen things up on the weekends. My fav pizza place close by just closed (Z-Pizza) so I'd have to go several miles now to get it. I'm just not bothered w/the other close pizza places around here. I may spluge on some Thai this weekend, though...

[Mochagirl]

Go for the Thai for sure! We all need treats, and as long as you stay vegetarian you won't stray too badly.

[lemon2012]

Hello,
OKAY..lol!
THAI sounds great!
We made homemade pizzas last night. We used homemade pesto and a bit of mozza cheese, some veggies. We made it on tortilla wrap with the lowest sodum we could find (it is still quite high).
It tastes good but it has to be better than processed or store bought right?

How is everyone doing?
I still cannot figure out when the heck to bd!!!
HELP!

[Mochagirl]

lemon - I discovered a while back that Middle Eastern style pitas are quite low in sodium (especially when compared to tortillas), are large and make great pizza crusts. I'd forgotten about that - I must go out and buy some!

As for when to BD - that'll be my big stress to this time around. I don't care about timing, but I do have to decide whether I want more that one attempt. In the past we've always done frequent BD - up to 9 days in a row of dtd. I don't think I'll be up to that as I'm recovering from my very recent m/c, but I have to decide whether I want dh to do frequent release then make 2-3 attempts or just 1 attempt around O or just forget the frequent release (which causes a lot of tension with him since he sees it as a chore) and go for the 2-3 attempts + rephresh to lower sperm count. I really want to get pregnant quickly so I don't want to lower his sperm count too much!

[lemon2012]

Hi Mochagirl!
I think you should do a few attempts and rephresh. I think the pressure of bding is enough and you have been through a lot. A more relaxed attempt with less bd makes sense to me.
I am forgetting everyone's age and history. I know last month was a tough one but I forget your other facts.
I do care about timing, I can't help it!...so would not do a cutoff?
I am confused, I just really want to get pregnant! We decided not to do one attempt...I think that helps with actually conceiving.
As for timing...I am confused what to do about that.
Poor DH has taken it on as a chore and he has been releasing...I have no idea when though!
We dtd already on cd 8...now what? it is cd 10 and I am entering fertile phase.
I used most of a rephresh appiclator today....I read that we should use it 3 days before attempt.
Do you think I will kill them all off now?
I plan on bding today and tomorrow. Or maybe just tomorrow.
I will o on wed....should I keep going?
Do a 3 day cut off (tomorrow bd which is sun) maybe add an o plus 12? (tomorrow bd sun)
do a 2 day cut off??? (mon bd)

Maybe we can help each other out???
I think a few attempts close to o and stay relaxed and let your body naturally become pregnant again.

[Mochagirl]

Lemon - I'm 37 with 3 boys, started the LE diet last May, got my BFP in September, and had a missed miscarriage last Monday. Now I'm back on the diet (but much more loosely) and am considering making my attempt on my first post-m/c O, which could be in 2-3 weeks. Conceiving after a m/c already sways girl quite strongly so I'm not going to a lot of other swaying since I really want to catch this egg. I'm on Vitex and I might start Baby Aspirin after I'm done bleeding (which works like cranberry but without adding all those nutrients we don't want on the LE diet). I'll do the diet, but probably no frequent release (or maybe just a quick compressed frequent release like we did the month I conceived) - just BD with a teenty tiny bit of rephresh.

Rephresh works to bring down your ph for 3 days after you apply it. I wouldn't use it too close to O or you could kill all the sperm, but if you can time it right, using about half a tube 3 days before O would be perfect. I'm going to use less than that personally since we found it very hard to get pregnant while using it last time. I will probably just use a fingertip full when I start getting signs O is approaching (I won't be able to predict O well since I'm just coming off my m/c).

If you feel strongly about timing, then by all means do it (you don't want to have regrets about your sway later). I personally wouldn't do a 3 day cut-off if you're over 35 because it will make it really tricky for you to get pregnant - a 2 day cut off would be better. If you want to go for O+12 also, make sure dh keeps releasing between your attempts or his sperm count will get high again and you'll lose that aspect of your sway. Just know that for we mature mamas our eggs aren't likely to survive long enough for O+12, so I wouldn't plan to make your only attempt then.

Hope this helps!

[lemon2012]

Yes it does help!
Unfortunately, I used half a tube of rephresh already....I thought that was okay. It does say it is safe for trying to get pregnant!
Did you do a cutoff last time? Sorry, it is rude to ask since you did lose the baby.
I agree a 3 day cut off might be hard to get pregnant. Should I just go all the way through o?
I am quite certain o is soon...already faint line on OPK and o opains.
DH has been frequent releasing,....he just told me!
Should I keep going closer to o. I do really want to get pregnant!
Abstain is out. O plus 12 means missing work and "timing" it.
So, I guess I should just keep going?
The last two months we played around with products and did shallow one day out and nothing!
So, now that I am 4 days out, the rephresh will last 3 days.
SHould I douche it out?
I thought I could still get pregnant with it!
I stopped the vitex....I was worried about too close to o. Do you know anything about that?
I basically took it 5 days and that is it!
Should I take some today? How much do you take?

I hate being mature? I hardly feel it!
I think I need to cave and just dtd every other day!
UGh, all this prepping and planning for another boy. Life would be easier if I just did not care!

[zanacal]

Don't worry at all about the Rephresh Lemon - I used a whole tube 48 hours before we conceived and we used Aci-Jel too. You don't need to worry about the Vitex either, you can take it right up until you O before taking the 2 week break.

[lemon2012]

Oh geez, thank you!
I think I used half the tube!
Do you also know about over 35 and conceiving. I think it won't happen with all this swaying!
Also, should I keep bding?
We dtd cd 8. Dh has been releasing....
Today is cd 10 and 4 days to go (I think).
Any advice zanacal?
I am 37 and DH is 39.
Should I keep taking vitex (not sure the amount though, the pills are 80 mg each).

Did you find out the gender????
Hope you are feeling well!
And, thank you in advance!

[Mochagirl]

If you're still 4 days away from O, you're still fine with the Rephresh. If you're using it as part of your sway, you want to have some of it in there when you O - it will help keep your PH from going to high when you have dh's sperm in there too. Some women on here have used a whole tube within 24 hours of O and still gotten pregnant, but I think that can lower your chances. Using some 3 days away from O is perfect because it will still be in there when you O, but not in as high a concentration. Maybe you could just 'top up' with a fingerful or so tomorrow or the next day, then as long as you O on time, it should still be doing its work when you need it.

I take Vitex 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off from af until O (it's not safe to take it during the 2WW). I started taking it the day after my m/c and I'll continue to take it until I know I have O'd. I take 2 400mg pills a day - one in the morning and one at night.

I didn't do a cut-off last time. We dtd every day from something like O-3 until O day. We didn't do frequent release, but before we dtd the first time I had dh release twice in one day on O-4 then one more time on O-3 before we dtd.

[lemon2012]

Thanks Mochagirl,
I really appreciate your help, especially considering all you have been through.
I was next door tonight holding a 7 week old girl....and now I cannot stop crying!
I just want to experience a girl so badly. Of course, with 4 little ones running around it turns to gender. It drives me nuts!
I feel less pretty and less of a woman for some reason. Does this make sense! I guess it is hard as well bc they are turning older.
They even joked about the ideas I would get about another one. It was so hard.
And then, the worst part is they talked about how after two boys the odds go up and up for another boy. I am devastated!

Just wondering how much is in your vitex?

[Mochagirl]

400 mg, and I take one pill twice a day.

[zanacal]

{hugs} I would personally have another attempt before O day rather than leave it as a 4 day cut-off. How about you have another attempt 2 days before O (so long as DH is releasing in between)? I would probably top up with Rephresh 3 days before O - that way you have some more in you for your next attempt (but not too close to it) and also enough to last until you O. I took 1000mg of Vitex each day. Are you sure yours aren't 800mg? Good luck x

[lemon2012]

Thanks for the hug!
Can I have another one????
So, it looks like I am completely ready to o...tomorrow!
i took the digital o test and smiley face appeared
The other ops have two dark lines.
So, now what do I do,.,....this is exactly how I made both DSs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zanacal, I know you dtd once after a postive opk
do you think it was o plus 12?
shoudl I wait and do it right after o?
I am scared and upset.
I waited all weekend for o-2! and now i am literally on top of o!

[lemon2012]

{hugs} I would personally have another attempt before O day rather than leave it as a 4 day cut-off. How about you have another attempt 2 days before O (so long as DH is releasing in between)? I would probably top up with Rephresh 3 days before O - that way you have some more in you for your next attempt (but not too close to it) and also enough to last until you O. I took 1000mg of Vitex each day. Are you sure yours aren't 800mg? Good luck x
The vitex is only 80 mg.
I took 3 a day or I took 2 in the morning and 2 at night.
Clearly I am oing early though!

[rainbowflower]

Thanks for the hug!
Can I have another one????
So, it looks like I am completely ready to o...tomorrow!
i took the digital o test and smiley face appeared
The other ops have two dark lines.
So, now what do I do,.,....this is exactly how I made both DSs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zanacal, I know you dtd once after a postive opk
do you think it was o plus 12?
shoudl I wait and do it right after o?
I am scared and upset.
I waited all weekend for o-2! and now i am literally on top of o!
have you changed lifestyle things since you conceived your boys? I genuinely don't believe timing sways much if at all.
you could do a perfect pink sway and still get an opposite, it doesn't mean you were doing the "right" or "wrong" things and doesn't mean that BD at OV time was wrong for pink when you were TTC before either, perhaps other factors overwhelmed it.

what is it making you feel scared and upset?

[Mochagirl]

lemon - most women O between 24 and 48 hours after a +OPK. If you dtd tonight it will probably O-1 (or maybe O-2 if you're someone who Os a long time after +OPK), which IMHO is perfect for your attempt - it will give the rephresh a chance to lower your ph before your egg is released. I know it can be scary when you feel like your sway is identical to how you got your previous children, but I agree with rainbow that if you've had other lifestyle changes your attempt should still be different enough to up your chances of a girl. Try to breathe and relax - you'll feel better once you've had your attempt because by then you can't change anything about it.

[lemon2012]

Thank you sooo much everyone.
We actually have bd the day before o and no pregnancy but I douched so much I washed away all chances.
I always o 24 hours after first positive opk. The smiley means I am really close!
The line also shows up right away as opposed to the line showing up slowly. Seriously, RIGHT AWAY!
I assume the vitex (although only 80 mg) has brought this on!
It is made in Canada so maybe it is a different brand than other people are using.

Just in case TMI, dh went to release and then we will try.
SHould I use some rephresh?

Rainbow, thanks for chiming in!
We eat less sodium for sure.
I don't eat a lot and always skip breakfast. I weigh around 113 and I am 5feet 6inches. I weighed pretty much the same with both boys but I worked out with them.
Both boys were conceived at exactly this time...should'nt I wait?

I thought that I would just be ready to get pregnant with anothe boy and hope for a girl. The longer this has taken the more I just need a girl . It is not fair!
I just got back from next door and everythign is pink and pretty.
Everyone makes comments about boys and their behaviour. My kids would not stop running around.
It was brutal!

Do you think it helps with DH releasing?
I am having a hard time with this swaying.

[zanacal]

I'm sorry - as a mum of 3 boys I so know what you mean about the running around and when they're together it's like they feed off one another. One boy is actually quite easy to handle but I don't stand a chance when they gang up on me (I know that's not what they're really doing but it feels like it sometimes!!). To call it bad behaviour is so wrong though, they just need to have their energy re-directed and that's not always possible in every situation.

I think DH releasing first is a fine idea and will really help with your girl sway. I would also be happy to go tonight on the night of your +OPK BUT if you're not comfortable and feel that if you get pregnant with a boy you will blame this then wait!

I didn't even have our attempt on the night of +OPK, I did it the next day because I was aiming for O day! I completely discount timing so I was aiming for getting DH to release 3 times in a 24 hour period and we were doing so much to hinder pregnancy that I felt we needed to DTD on top of O to stand a chance of getting pregnant. Of course, that's an option for you too if you're unsure about the timing. Do a really strict sway with lots of things to prevent pregnancy like we did - we used Rephresh and Aci-jel and I did a Jump & Dump. It may very well be too much but on the other hand, it may not!

[lemon2012]

[QUOTE=zanacal;104230]I'm sorry - as a mum of 3 boys I so know what you mean about the running around and when they're together it's like they feed off one another. One boy is actually quite easy to handle but I don't stand a chance when they gang up on me (I know that's not what they're really doing but it feels like it sometimes!!). To call it bad behaviour is so wrong though, they just need to have their energy re-directed and that's not always possible in every situation.

Hi zanacal...lo,, I will not blame you or the site.
I do blame myself already for so much obssessive behaviour!
So dumb!
So, just to fill you in....we dtd, if you can call it that. Horrible sex isn't it!
Anyways, he got "ready" and I talked all the way through it!
However, I now feel like it was pointless and might have to do it again.
Maybe o plus 12? Although I see more boys born from bd after o.
The reason I feel we need to go again is that I used so much rephresh!
Half an applicator yesterday and then topped myself off just before.
Then, DH said it was basically pointless with hardly any sperm left in there. So, that is why he did not do shallow.
I am worried at 37, I am being stupid and not even really trying to get pregnant!
I can't do the diet anymore...I am hungry!
And, I worry about all the supplements.
Should we try right on o again?

When do you find out the gender? Do you have a gut feeling either way?

I held the baby girl yesterday and it felt so wonderful!
I want another one!
Thanks for your response!

[dannikins]

hi ladies, im back,
huge congrats to all the new pregnancies...:) and good luck to every one TTC.
sorry i kind of dissapeared afer my BFP, but im 11 weeks 5 days now, and all is well.
im planning on sticking around from now on...:)

i had a scan at 6 weeks 6 days, HB was 141.
i have a belly already.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr171/dannikins_photos/bellysmall.jpg
still having nausea, but it seems to be improving.

thats about it really....just thought i should give an update....:)

[lemon2012]

Cute belly!
The nausea sucks...but, you are almost ready to get to the next trimester. Hopefully your boys are treating you well!

[maybeoneday]

So, I am on to month 3 TTC and I have got to be honest, this is different for me..... With DS1 and DS2 I fell pregnant first month trying so the disappointment of negative HPTs is a new one on me. I am slowly getting worse with the diet (I had beef casserole for dinner!) and just want to be pregnant now.

So, my decision is... Do I drop the vitex this month or DTD more often (last month we did frequent release for 14 days the DTD the day before my :) then again 2 days later), or a combination of both.

xx

[Mochagirl]

maybeoneday - it's tough going from super fertile to having trouble getting pregnant isn't it? I was surprised how long it took me to get pregnant too - 4 months last time - and I think in the end I only got my BFP because I dropped the rephresh. Now that I'm at square one after my m/c I'm worried it's going to take that long again! I'm approaching this sway differently because I just want to get pregnant quickly.

I don't know if stopping the Vitex will necessarily help. Are you using Rephresh or other jellies? You could certainly dtd more often - we dtd maybe 5 times right around O the month we got our BFP.

[lemon2012]

So, I am on to month 3 TTC and I have got to be honest, this is different for me..... With DS1 and DS2 I fell pregnant first month trying so the disappointment of negative HPTs is a new one on me. I am slowly getting worse with the diet (I had beef casserole for dinner!) and just want to be pregnant now.

So, my decision is... Do I drop the vitex this month or DTD more often (last month we did frequent release for 14 days the DTD the day before my :) then again 2 days later), or a combination of both.

xx

Hey maybeoneday,
I do not think vitex is preventing you from getting pregnant. But, maybe someone can add to that. Have you been taking it for a long timeÉ Atomic says only during the time from af to o rightÉ
How old are you (sorry my keyboard wont let me use punctuation properly! so my question marks look like this É)
So, last month you dtd o-2 and then o plus 12É
I guess you have to get closer to actual o.
I am in the same boat......I am tired of swaying and I am tired of not eating!
I just want a baby....girl!
We did o-4 or 5 just to get started then frequent release.
I got some positive opks today and we dtd this aft with hardly any sperm (Dh released this am) soI am sure we are out!
Also, I used too much rephresh.
Do you use anything like thatÉ
When is your attemptÉ

I hate rice, chicken ,cukes, yogourt...ugh!

[auroara78]

Thought I'd jump in here and get your thoughts on my sway plan:

One quick question about cycles. My cycles are 28 days exactly, I get a +OPK on Saturdays, and I believe I ovulate on either Sundays or Mondays. My period has been showing up every month right on time but on Tuesdays. So if my period comes on Tuesdays, does that mean I might drop the egg on Monday? I have a LONG LH surge and typically I will get a + OPK at least 24 hours if not more before I ovulate. So, for example this month I should ovulate on CD13 Sun Nov. 27th or CD14 Mon. 28th.

Would you be more inclined to believe I O on Sunday or Monday? I get dull achy left side O pains on both those days, so that is not a good indication to me.

The plan is:

I've been taking baby aspirin & folic acid for supps

Will use Zyrtec to try up CM (I'm one of those abundant CM ppl)

Lots of negative ions, rose quartz and hematite bracelt, rose quartz necklace (it's a big chunky one) daily, fan blowing on me every day at work, ionizer plugged into computer at home, and want to use our big windmaker fan for DTD attempt. Also, want to convince hubby to take a hot shower with me before hand for the - ions from the water plus to heat up his buddies, a dab of essential lavendar oil daily, lavendar deodorant (Tom's natural lavender organic stuff)

A mix of IG and LE diet...dairy and yogurt from IG diet, low calorie, lower fat from LE. I still eat breakfast, but have drastically cut back on meat and when I do eat meat, it's a smaller portion of chicken or fish, not much beef or at all like it usually is with me.

Going to use Rephresh two days before before we DTD, so I'll use it on Friday or Sat AM.

Planning to DTD in the new moon and female sign (it's female sign my time between Nov. 27th-Nov 29th. I am using this since I did ovulate last two times in boy sign and got TWO boys! I figure it can't hurt to use something free like that ;)

Doing either a 1 day cut off or on O day since I plan to DTD the night of Sun. Nov 27th, or the night of Sat. Nov. 26th. I don't believe timing sways at all, and I want to DTD closer to O to increase chances of prengancy

Prob one attempt, maybe two DTDs if that

Hubby will not sway at all, will not release ahead of time, or dump anything, unfortunately :( If he gets a whiff that I'm ovulating, he will be unable to perform :( He wants to get pregnant but whenver he knows that I'm ovulating, he loses everything :( I know, I know :(

What do you guys think? Any advice? Opinions? Good luck?

[rainbowflower]

hi ladies, im back,
huge congrats to all the new pregnancies...:) and good luck to every one TTC.
sorry i kind of dissapeared afer my BFP, but im 11 weeks 5 days now, and all is well.
im planning on sticking around from now on...:)

i had a scan at 6 weeks 6 days, HB was 141.
i have a belly already.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr171/dannikins_photos/bellysmall.jpg
still having nausea, but it seems to be improving.

thats about it really....just thought i should give an update....:)
lovely bump pic! makes me feel broody seeing bump pics! :)

So, I am on to month 3 TTC and I have got to be honest, this is different for me..... With DS1 and DS2 I fell pregnant first month trying so the disappointment of negative HPTs is a new one on me. I am slowly getting worse with the diet (I had beef casserole for dinner!) and just want to be pregnant now.

So, my decision is... Do I drop the vitex this month or DTD more often (last month we did frequent release for 14 days the DTD the day before my :) then again 2 days later), or a combination of both.

xx
why do you feel the vitex might not be working for you? are you normally regular and vitex is making you irregular? are you not OVing?

neg HPTs really are a rollercoaster of emotions, I always hated them when TTC before :(


Thought I'd jump in here and get your thoughts on my sway plan:

One quick question about cycles. My cycles are 28 days exactly, I get a +OPK on Saturdays, and I believe I ovulate on either Sundays or Mondays. My period has been showing up every month right on time but on Tuesdays. So if my period comes on Tuesdays, does that mean I might drop the egg on Monday? I have a LONG LH surge and typically I will get a + OPK at least 24 hours if not more before I ovulate. So, for example this month I should ovulate on CD13 Sun Nov. 27th or CD14 Mon. 28th.

Would you be more inclined to believe I O on Sunday or Monday? I get dull achy left side O pains on both those days, so that is not a good indication to me.

The plan is:

I've been taking baby aspirin & folic acid for supps

Will use Zyrtec to try up CM (I'm one of those abundant CM ppl)

Lots of negative ions, rose quartz and hematite bracelt, rose quartz necklace (it's a big chunky one) daily, fan blowing on me every day at work, ionizer plugged into computer at home, and want to use our big windmaker fan for DTD attempt. Also, want to convince hubby to take a hot shower with me before hand for the - ions from the water plus to heat up his buddies, a dab of essential lavendar oil daily, lavendar deodorant (Tom's natural lavender organic stuff)

A mix of IG and LE diet...dairy and yogurt from IG diet, low calorie, lower fat from LE. I still eat breakfast, but have drastically cut back on meat and when I do eat meat, it's a smaller portion of chicken or fish, not much beef or at all like it usually is with me.

Going to use Rephresh two days before before we DTD, so I'll use it on Friday or Sat AM.

Planning to DTD in the new moon and female sign (it's female sign my time between Nov. 27th-Nov 29th. I am using this since I did ovulate last two times in boy sign and got TWO boys! I figure it can't hurt to use something free like that ;)

Doing either a 1 day cut off or on O day since I plan to DTD the night of Sun. Nov 27th, or the night of Sat. Nov. 26th. I don't believe timing sways at all, and I want to DTD closer to O to increase chances of prengancy

Prob one attempt, maybe two DTDs if that

Hubby will not sway at all, will not release ahead of time, or dump anything, unfortunately :( If he gets a whiff that I'm ovulating, he will be unable to perform :( He wants to get pregnant but whenver he knows that I'm ovulating, he loses everything :( I know, I know :(

What do you guys think? Any advice? Opinions? Good luck?
without temping it's hard to say when you OV - you can get OV pains before,during, or after OV... and the date AF arrives makes no difference - it just means that you have a constant luteal phase (time between OV and AF) but since this can vary between women it doesn't give any clues to your exact OV day. On average a woman will OV 32hrs after a pos OPK, but it can be as little as 12hrs or as much as 48hrs and then you have possibly another 24hrs in which to DTD.

Could you tell your husband that you OV on Thursdays or Fridays? and then make Saturday/Sunday/Monday BD "fun time"?

your sway looks really good!

[lemon2012]

Aurora,
Can you help me out with my sway on the swayers over 35 board?
I am in a bit of a panic and it looks similar to yours. Just wondering if I should go again or not!
Thanks!

[maybeoneday]

Thanks for your replies. I am 34 on Friday (I guess that is part of the reason for my flip out as really wanted to be PG before my birthday :( )

I am pretty sure I am ovulating but am not temping so think I will go back to that this month to be sure. I am not sure why I am questionning the Vitex except I know women have had probs conceiving while taking it so thought it might be the reason. On reflection, I am not ready to give that one up yet so think I will keep taking it this month and temp to be double sure I ovulate but DTD more often.

I used sylk the first month and rephresh last month but have run out now so was thinking of dropping that part anyway. I still have some sylk left so may use that one some of my attempts next month but not all?????

I am on CD3 today and usually O on CD 14 or 15 so I have a week or so.

I laid off the Beef casserole tonight so at least trying...

Dannikins, your bump pic is lovely. I have everything crossed for you it is a pink one.

Mocha, I am so sorry about your m/c and even sorrier you are back on the diet!!! FX we get to celebrate out BFPs together.

Lemon, FX for you as well, I would be tempted not to tell DH you are ovulating and just surprise him - or is he that good at maths to work it out????

Thanks again ladies, I am sure we will all get there in the end. xx

[zanacal]

maybe - are you taking the Vitex all month long or just AF-O? I think trouble conceiving is only if you're taking it constantly (although some have taken it constantly for months then got pregnant with a girl just after they stopped taking it!). Are you taking it easy with the Sylk? Did you say DH released for 14 days in a row (sorry, I can't see that page any more!) - you could cut back to 7-10 days and still be swaying girl with your frequency or stick with the 14 days and DTD closer to O!

[maybeoneday]

Hi Zan, firstly congrats on your scan. I have no idea about nubs or scan shots, but I am crossing everything for you. You certainly deserve it!

I am only taking it AF to O so think I will continue with it. I think it really sways girl (based on what I have read) so don't want to give it up yet!

We have been doing FR for about 14 days then sometimes dump the first batch and use the second on our actual attempts so I think we may be reducing DH's sperm count a bit too far!!

If you had to choose, would you do FR for 10 days then DTD every day days 11-15 (assuming O on day 13 or 14) or do compressed release and only use the second batch on all attempting days???

Thanks! xx

[lemon2012]

Hey maybeoneday,

34 is sooo young:) Ok, I am 37 so of course it seems young to me. You will get there!!!
I am curious about your sway,...as that is what we did. How long between dumping the first batch and the second do you dtd?
Would you still attempt on the days leading up to o? Or just compress and then go for it close to o?
Wld you dtd on o day as well?
Just comparing sways. I can let you know what happens before your attempt..lol!
Zan can help with the freq right? Zan, did DH freq release all month long or just compressed?

I am not worried about surprising DH, he is right there with me unfortunately. One stress nut should be enough!

The vitex seems to have brought o on sooner, either that or it is showing up in the opk stripes. Did you notice this?

My one DS is 2008 and the other is 2006. I think I was 33 when I had DS2.....! I am old:(

I am curious to see what you do!!!!

[maybeoneday]

I know on the grand scheme 34 is still pretty young (33 for 4 more days though!!) but my mum (and probably my grandmother) began the menopause at 40 so I am conscious of my body clock ticking.... I guess there is also the thought in my head that is this sway fails (which I pray every day that is doesn't), I think I could persuade DH for one more

The first month, we DTD only once on the day of my :) and DH had been releasing daily for 13 days. We DTD and dumped the first batch, then DTD again very soon after but on reflection, pretty sure there was nothing left!! Having fallen PG so quickly with the boys, reducing count was very high on my list of things to do...

Second month, again DH released daily for 14 days then about 5 hours before our first attempt which was the day before my :) then we missed a day as he was out with work, then the following day he released in the morning, again at 6pm then we DTD about 11pm

Reading that back, I was pretty harsh on DH but he didn't seem to complain too much!!!

As for Vitex, I haven't really found it has affected my cycles too much either way, it has just made them not quite so clockwork.... I have had a 26 day cycle for many years and on Vitex it is varying between 24 and 28.

Let me know what you decide for this month, FX for you and hope to be with you on a birth board soon. xx

[lemon2012]

Maybeoneday
I would love love love to be on the birth board....it has been a long time!

Okay, so having read that...DH released only Friday twice and Saturday once, then released and we dtd a few hours later.

Contemplating o plus 12.......just worried about timing!
and raising my ph!

Did you use replens or rephresh?

Would you dtd again tonight considering low sperm count and no spermies left to swim????
13 days....DH is done after 2 days...lol
How many times did you dtd each month

Zan?
are you guys still up?
Or is it bedtime there???? I am in Canada!

[maybeoneday]

If he hasn't released since Saturday, I think too much time has elapsed between then and now (I think the count completely recovers after 36 hours), so I would be nervous about that.

I don't think I put too much stock in timing, but I personally do in sperm count. Good luck whatever you decide.

Month 1 - DTD once
Month 2 - DTD twice

It is 11pm here so I am off to bed. Catch up tomorrow! xx

[lemon2012]

You are probably in bed...but, he released Sun and we dtd as well.
We dtd this am but it probably does not count.

Good to know though about timing and sperm count!
Did you dtd close to o?
No BFP!
Oh dear!
Better go again, talk to you alter:)
thanks!

[Out of the Blue]

Hey, lemon...I agree w/maybe on the timing! I say "timing-schmiming"! It took me a while to deprogram myself that it was okay to dtd around O time but after all I've read, I just don't see the proof whereas w/other factors (like lowering sperm count), I do! It took some stress away once I was able to let the whole timing thing go. I haven't read this whole thread as I'm in a crunch for time but when were you set to O?

I'm not sure if my body will be back after my m/c to TTC in Dec or not but here's my plan...

* DH will do FR and then we'll DTD w/shallow penetration from the end of AF until I get a +OPK (if we've got enough stamina, we'll just keep on DTD through O but somehow, I think we'll need a break by then :wink:, especially w/DH taking Lic Root).

* I'll put 1/2 an applicator of RepHresh in evey a.m. as we'll be dtd 12 hrs later each night. We'll use a bit of Sylk for lube. Probably won't do a J&D and just leave it in.

* Continue diet and start skipping breakkie at end of AF until a +HCG or AF. If I don't get preg on this one, I may continue to skip breakkie if I can.

Honestly, that's it but I want to get preg right away if possible.

Maybe, I'm hoping 3's a charm for you and you'll get your BFP this next time!

[lemon2012]

Hello out of the blue!
I read somewhere that the rephresh might prevent pregnancy but the website said it is fine. Is this to keep ph down?
Will he be releasing twice a day then everyday? How shallow? DH and I keep talking about it and get confused...what the heck does that mean?
Do you think the cutoff will help for getting pregnant or for trying for a girl? How long is your cycle...will you be tired of bding by then? Mine was only cd12. I have no chance bc DH hardly had any sperm and I got up right away! I am sad!
I really have to let the whole timing thing go as well. It is totally ingrained in my head!

[lemon2012]

My odds are slim maybeoneday!
DH released a couple hours before we dtd. I told him we could wait but he said there would not be much there later...then the panic and stress kicked in or we would have kept dtd!
Clearly we will not get pregnant and I am sad!

[Out of the Blue]

Hello out of the blue!
I read somewhere that the rephresh might prevent pregnancy but the website said it is fine. Is this to keep ph down?
Will he be releasing twice a day then everyday? How shallow? DH and I keep talking about it and get confused...what the heck does that mean?
Do you think the cutoff will help for getting pregnant or for trying for a girl? How long is your cycle...will you be tired of bding by then? Mine was only cd12. I have no chance bc DH hardly had any sperm and I got up right away! I am sad!
I really have to let the whole timing thing go as well. It is totally ingrained in my head!

RepHresh will definitely lower sperm count w/the lower pH is induces and if you use too much, you won't have any live swimmers left. I figure half an app every 12 hrs is okay for what we've got planned. DH will just start releasing when I start AF and then we'll just dtd every night when AF comes. I know a lot of guys will release 2-3 x per day but DH is over 35 (as am I), taking Lic Root and w/the RepHresh/Sylk, I think it's an okay plan for us. Hopefully it'll be enough to get preg and sway girl. As far as the cut-off goes (when I get my 1st +OPK), I don't think it really sways, just that we'll be sick of dtd for a long time and will be ready to throw in the towel. I'm just getting my cycle back and had just gotten it back w/my last preg (my m/c one) so who knows how long it'll be...???

So I just read on another thread that you attempted an O+12 so you've O'ed already...Who knows...you could very well get your BFP this time around. Last June, DH dtd ALL the time and never got preg. Then when I was taking a break from swaying, I accidentally got preg off of a 7-day cut-off. It seems like all my BFPs have been kind of unexpected like that. Babies work in mysterious ways...

Got my FX for you, lemon! :luck: :pinksperm: :luck:

[Mochagirl]

* DH will do FR and then we'll DTD w/shallow penetration from the end of AF until I get a +OPK (if we've got enough stamina, we'll just keep on DTD through O but somehow, I think we'll need a break by then :wink:, especially w/DH taking Lic Root).

* I'll put 1/2 an applicator of RepHresh in evey a.m. as we'll be dtd 12 hrs later each night. We'll use a bit of Sylk for lube. Probably won't do a J&D and just leave it in.

* Continue diet and start skipping breakkie at end of AF until a +HCG or AF. If I don't get preg on this one, I may continue to skip breakkie if I can.



Sounds like a great sway, Jen! Here's my plan:

-skip breakfast, follow LE diet but allow myself up to 50g of protein and focus on getting enough iron. I'm going to try to stay as healthy as possible while keeping as best I can to the diet.
-I'm taking folic acid and Vitex twice a day. I might start taking Baby Aspirin again once my bleeding is done, and I also might use Zyrtec if I have lots of ewcm around O.
-once all my spotting is done and I have the results from my u/s and blood test and know the m/c is complete, I'm going to start using a teeny bit of rephresh every 3 days - probably about 1/4 applicator.
-IF we have some warning O is coming I might ask dh to release at least once before dtd, maybe twice. I don't think my body is up to dtd daily so soon after my m/c, especially as I have no idea when O will come and could be DTD for weeks on end! Once I have my +OPK (or maybe even once I start seeing a fade-in) we will dtd once a day until I know O has happened.

[zanacal]

Blue and Mocha - you both have great plans and I have everything crossed for a fast and sticky BFP. You both deserve it x

Sorry lemon, I was in bed! Good luck in the 2ww!

[rainbowflower]

RepHresh will definitely lower sperm count w/the lower pH is induces and if you use too much, you won't have any live swimmers left. I figure half an app every 12 hrs is okay for what we've got planned. DH will just start releasing when I start AF and then we'll just dtd every night when AF comes. I know a lot of guys will release 2-3 x per day but DH is over 35 (as am I), taking Lic Root and w/the RepHresh/Sylk, I think it's an okay plan for us. Hopefully it'll be enough to get preg and sway girl. As far as the cut-off goes (when I get my 1st +OPK), I don't think it really sways, just that we'll be sick of dtd for a long time and will be ready to throw in the towel. I'm just getting my cycle back and had just gotten it back w/my last preg (my m/c one) so who knows how long it'll be...???

So I just read on another thread that you attempted an O+12 so you've O'ed already...Who knows...you could very well get your BFP this time around. Last June, DH dtd ALL the time and never got preg. Then when I was taking a break from swaying, I accidentally got preg off of a 7-day cut-off. It seems like all my BFPs have been kind of unexpected like that. Babies work in mysterious ways...

Got my FX for you, lemon! :luck: :pinksperm: :luck:
not necessarily - swimmers are only in the VJ for 5-15mins anyway before making it into the cervix. plus there will be semen in there too keeping them alive so I don't think you can use "too much" RepHresh... although any you do use will kill some of them I expect.

[Out of the Blue]

Blue and Mocha - you both have great plans and I have everything crossed for a fast and sticky BFP. You both deserve it x


Thx, Zan. Hoping you get that earlier scan...OHHHHH, I can't wait!!!

[DoulaMama]

Crashing....Hello and Good Luck to all!!! Just had to drop in see how you were doing, Blue~ Been thinking about you a lot lately! xoxo

[fresas]

Hi ladies! I'm just checking in really quickly. Work has me running in circles.

I had a normal cycle last cycle, thank goodness, but I am still starting Vitex again. I cannot handle this PCOS. So stressful.

I have been working out. Belly dancing is EXTREMELY difficult. My my. I am also trying to start Pilates again very soon.

DH and I had a talk about babies and I think we may not have any more. We both feel that we aren't in a financial place to do this. We both really want a daughter, but I don't know if it will happen.

That's all! Carry on! I'm stalking certain ladies tickers to find out if they're having girls. :D

[Out of the Blue]

Wow...belly dancing sounds really fun! I love pilates and so does my body. Good for you, fresas! Sorry about the PCOS...hoping you can get that under control.



DH and I had a talk about babies and I think we may not have any more. We both feel that we aren't in a financial place to do this. We both really want a daughter, but I don't know if it will happen.

I'm so sorry...I'm hoping things turn around and you get that girl in the next yr or so. :bighug:

[Out of the Blue]

Crashing....Hello and Good Luck to all!!! Just had to drop in see how you were doing, Blue~ Been thinking about you a lot lately! xoxo

Muuuuuuaaaaaaah!!!! :kissy: :HH: I think about you and your sweet bean all the time! Can't wait for you to see her again today. I'll be stalking for an update!

[auroara78]

We had our one attempt really early this morning....

used rephresh late friday night, got a + OPK Sat morning at 9 am, was planning to DTD last night but husband fell asleep early on me and so decided to try this morning (since it is really hard to get him to DTD sometimes).

RePhresh made me really uncomfortable...I don't think my body likes being that PH, I checked and my ph went down to around 4.5 - 5.0, i didn't want to keep checking as I didn't want to disturb things too badly....my normal ph is high 5's, low 6's and I really think dramatically changed the way I feel sexually....I mean I had +OPK but NO interest in having sex, which is really, really unlike me....I didn't even want to have sex, much less O, lol, so hopefully this is good thing, since it is so different than I usually am

Did not detect any EWCM at all the last few days (used RePHresh on Tuesday to get the PH party going), probably some where it's there in my body but had NONE noticable at all.

did not take zyrtec as planned because I was having a hard enough time getting feeling to even do the deed.

I should Ovulate today or tomorrow, trying to tell myself that timing is the least important factor...honestly, I think with the rephresh keeping me things so low ph wise, the sperm are going to have enough obstacles.

Keep your fingers crossed for pink!

[lemon2012]

Hello Aurora,
That is strange about rephresh..and I think it had the opposite effect on me.
Now we wait right!!!

[auroara78]

yeah, I hate this stinking wait! I did O yesterday so I'm 1 dpo and it's driving me nuts already, lol.

Think I could have been allergic to rePHresh because my body really did not like it at all!!! It made me feel very very dry and things were irrirated down there. Though when we were DTD I was surprised at how "lubed" I was per se, I thought I'd be horribly uncomfortalbe, but I just didn't "feel" anything like I usually do when we have sex...bleh.

[Out of the Blue]

Got my FX for you!!! Sounds like a super attempt!


I mean I had +OPK but NO interest in having sex, which is really, really unlike me....I didn't even want to have sex, much less O, lol, so hopefully this is good thing, since it is so different than I usually am

It may be that a drop in your testosterone was causing the low libido (YAY!)...It's one of the low T signs and as annoying as it is, I really welcome it!

[Out of the Blue]

Hello Aurora,
That is strange about rephresh..and I think it had the opposite effect on me.
Now we wait right!!!

Hey, lemon...How many dpo are you? I should almost be POAS time, right? :cheer:

[Out of the Blue]

AF arrived on Saturday...6 wks (minus one day) after my m/c so DH and I are gearing up for our 1st attempt...
YAY but :nails:

I guess, I'm still going w/my original plan...DTD every day from the end of AF - O (if we can make it that long). I'll use a half tube of RepHresh every other morning and a bit of Sylk when DTD. Shallow, missionary w/no O for me (DH hates it when I don't and finds it difficult to perform sometimes:sadflwr: lol!). I'll wait a bit before I J&D. When I'm closer to O, I'll drink some Rum Punch for those last few attempts in hopes that I won't be able to do so again for about 9 mos! No Zyrtec, no Crystal Light or low dose Asprin (I'm still BF) and definitely no checking pH! Just making things simple and trusting in the diet and the few other things to help tip us to the pink side. If anyone can spare some pink thoughts, please send them my way!!!

[Indira]

Sounds like a very good plan Jen!
I really believe you´re going to get pregnant with a girl because of your relaxed attitude.
I have everything crossed that you and Mocha will be pregnant by Christmas !

Good luck auroara and lemon!

[Out of the Blue]

Thx, Indira! Mocha and I both really need this! But if it doesn't happen for a long while for me, I'll be okay w/that. I'm just so focused on a healthy baby. Gender and how long it'll take for that BFP will definitely take a back seat...Just praying for a healthy bub (or 2!) this time.

Hoping your sweet little bean is growing strong in there! :HH:

[auroara78]

Jen,

my husband also has trouble "performing" if he thinks I'm not into it...I didn't fake an O or anything, but I had to start making sounds or acting like I was really enjoying it just to keep him going, although in my head, I was like hurry up, jsut do your thing already and get off me....LOL

[Mochagirl]

Yay for af, Jen! (Not something we say very often :bigsmile:). I was just thinking about you last night and wondering if af had come yet. I agree that we both really need this BFP - here's to hopefully being DD buddies again!

I got impatient and did an OPK with SMU this morning and it was -. When I opened it up (it's a digi), there was a second line, but it was pretty light, so maybe my body's playing tricks on me or just trying to O but not succeeding. My cervix is softer, higher and more wide open than ever and there's definitely EWCM mixed in with the brown spotting. I'm still trying to hold out hope that I'll get that positive this afternoon - I'm holding my pee and having nothing to drink until then.


Jen,

my husband also has trouble "performing" if he thinks I'm not into it...I didn't fake an O or anything, but I had to start making sounds or acting like I was really enjoying it just to keep him going, although in my head, I was like hurry up, jsut do your thing already and get off me....LOL

:rofl: My husband's the same way - I have to moan and pretend I'm into it or he just can't finish the job - in the meantime I'm planning my grocery list in my head :bigsmile:.

[Jamie86]

I wanted to join this chat thread I have been posting question on the board and reading a lot but I feel like I'm going crazy right now trying to cram all the knowledge in and also waiting to test because we had a last minute try a week ago and my husband keeps saying he thinks I'm already pregnant (he did know 1st with our 1st) so I could use some ladies to chat with.

[Mochagirl]

Welcome, Jamie! I know all the info on this site can be overwhelming at first. I've been swaying since last May, and also swayed with ds3 3 years ago...yet I still get overwhelmed by all the information at times!

[Jamie86]

Welcome, Jamie! I know all the info on this site can be overwhelming at first. I've been swaying since last May, and also swayed with ds3 3 years ago...yet I still get overwhelmed by all the information at times!

Yeah I can see how there is so much, I'm amazed at how much knowledge you ladies have. I see you had a VBAC with your DS3 in June of 2009 I had a VBAC with DS2 in June of 2010 it was such a wonderful experience.

[Mochagirl]

Oh yes - such a difference from the birth of my twins. With ds3 I was only in the hospital for a total of about 5 hours - I was home again 2 hours after birth!

[Jamie86]

Oh yes - such a difference from the birth of my twins. With ds3 I was only in the hospital for a total of about 5 hours - I was home again 2 hours after birth!

I wish I could have done that but my son had to have antibiotics for suspected infection because my amniotic fluid smelled terrible like there was infection in it. So I had to be there for 48 hours I HATE hospitals and wish I could have a home birth but with the prior c-section and the fact that I had gestational diabetes both times as well as our distance from a hospital DH isn't really comfortable with it. Although with my last birth by the time I got to the hospital I was already 8-9cms.

[Mochagirl]

That's too bad you had to stay. I hate hospitals too. I had to stay a whole week after my twins were born because of the c-section, then because they weren't gaining weight fast enough and they wanted to push formula on me. I'm proud to say that I stuck with BFing despite the pressure and BF both successfully until they were 2 years old.

[Jamie86]

That's too bad you had to stay. I hate hospitals too. I had to stay a whole week after my twins were born because of the c-section, then because they weren't gaining weight fast enough and they wanted to push formula on me. I'm proud to say that I stuck with BFing despite the pressure and BF both successfully until they were 2 years old.

That is awesome! I caved and supplemented while in the hospital so they would let me out earlier but luckily my son switched back and forth easily and as soon as we got home I tossed the formula out. With my first I went in for an induction on a monday evening (mistake) didn't have him until wednesday morning after 2.5 hours of pushing and a c-section and didn't go home until saturday but I didn't sleep the whole time because I have insomnia as it is and literally cannot sleep in a hospital (people think I'm exaggerating but I literally didn't sleep more than a few hours total the whole time I was there). So after all that I was willing to do anything for them to let me out of there. Now I know I can stand up for myself more with my 2nd when they insisted I supplement I didn't fight them I just had my husband pour formula down the drain when they gave us the bottles (I know I probably should have just told them no more firmly but I was not in the mood to argue and I figured if they thought I was being super compliant they wouldn't check on us as much). Next time I think I'm just going to ask to be released even if it's against medical advice or whatever that you have to sign.

[Mochagirl]

Grrr...I just did an OPK after holding my pee for 4 hours, and it was still negative, though the second line was definitely darker. The signs my body's giving me couldn't be any stronger - I'm definitely dtd tonight anyway in case I miss the surge with the tests.

Jen - I think you said your body kept trying to O after your m/c but wasn't successful for a while (apologies if it wasn't you). On those unsuccessful times did you have all the O symptoms? Were you using OPKs at the time?

[fresas]

out of the blue, thank you so much. I guess I have to feel okay with it. We are both sad, though. While we aren't saying no yet (DH will have a vasectomy when we do), we are definitely going in the direction of not having more children. We want to give our kids things we didn't have, especially a paid-for college education. We aren't so much focus on material things as we are about solid futures. I hope that makes sense. :)

I read your story about losing your beautiful daughters. I am so sorry. :( I cannot imagine that type of loss.

On a totally different topic, I was at work today and observing a few of my least favorite female co-workers. They all either have boys or are pregnant with boys, they all smoke worse than a chimney (the pregnant one is STILL smoking), and have the worst diets in the world. I don't know about their husbands or their lifestyles outside of work, but at work, they have a very girl sway friendly lifestyle. I just thought I'd share. :D

[auroara78]

freas, i think diet has a part for sure in swaying, im not sure how big of a piece it is to be honest, cuz ive seen women eat really wholesome and organic and natural and concieve girls...that could be because of a similiarity to LE type diet, where are they naturally consuming less fat, etc, BUT even if they are consuming less fat, they are taking in really healthy nutrients as well.

I believe there is so much complicated reasons that go into why x or y sperm fertilizes the egg, that almost the more you try to discover the reasons, the more it's like peeling back the layers of an onion. it's hard to get to the center of it, lol.
I think swaying is definitely worth a shot, but I wouldn't do it unless I was happy to welcome an opposite, only because you gotta have your heart open...all the great ladies here have their hearts open to a healthy child, but still hope for the gender they desire.

Then sometimes I think conception is really is as simple as which sperm just get lucky enough to get there first, and that no matter how hard we try to sway the odds in our favor, it's just such a random process of a one certain sperm getting lucky. I don't think that often; but sometimes when I see tons of women with genders that defy what I know about female/male conceptions I think maybe I don't know anything at all, and this process of how gender is determined is not meant to be understood by us humans....

[Mochagirl]

Hey ladies - we made our attempt last night. My OPK was still negative, but all the signs of O were there, so we decided to go for it. I had used rephresh the day before, had dh release a few hours before we dtd, used a teeny bit of Sylk and jumped and dumped after waiting maybe 1 minute. I also drank a ton of Crystal Light and took a Benedryl an hour before. Hopefully that was enough. I'll keep watching and we'll probably have another attempt when/if I get that +OPK (hopefully today).

I'm still a little nervous O won't come in the end. I decided to take a FRER last night right before dtd to make sure it was negative, since I'd only been testing with ICs. I waited maybe just under 5 minutes and it looked like a BFN, so we went ahead and dtd. This morning I looked at it again and there's a very, very faint squinter of a line - so faint it almost looks like an evap. I guess that means I still have a little HCG in my system? I'm assuming I can't O until it's all completely gone, right? They should hopefully call today with the results from Monday's blood test so I'm hoping I hear a very low number (I think I've heard anything under 5 and you're considered not pregnant - anyone know if that's right?).

[Out of the Blue]

:wave: Hi, Jamie! Glad you’re joining us here…As Mocha said, it really took a while for this stuff to sink in. My head was spinning for about 2-3 mos (probably b/c I was still logging onto the InGender site which has some differing info)! I was a complete nut-case (and my DH can attest to that!). Then all of the sudden, things start to solidify and make sense. When that happened for me, it gave me a lot of peace and I was really able to relax. This stuff will make sense…if you find yourself getting too wrapped up and are stressing, step away from the P.C. and take a nice bubble bath and have a glass of wine.


Jen, my husband also has trouble "performing" if he thinks I'm not into it...I didn't fake an O or anything, but I had to start making sounds or acting like I was really enjoying it just to keep him going, although in my head, I was like hurry up, just do your thing already and get off me....LOL

:rofl: My husband's the same way - I have to moan and pretend I'm into it or he just can't finish the job - in the meantime I'm planning my grocery list in my head :bigsmile:.
:rofl:…I know!!! Just do it already, DH!! DH knows I cannot get into it so he asks that I kind of squirm and grab his butt and make some noise like I’m really enjoying myself (sorry…TMI and DH would just die if he knew I were typing this :oops:…::rofl: ) When we do our frequent BD sessions, I’m seriously going to get so much done (in my head at least, lol). I think I’ll be doing a lot of meal planning. If I could only cook and clean while we do it…

[Out of the Blue]

I agree that we both really need this BFP - here's to hopefully being DD buddies again!
YES! :hug2:My heart is aching to be preg again and hopefully it'll come soon for both of us. Just trying to send the universe a speedy BFP & some healthy baby vibes for us.


Jen - I think you said your body kept trying to O after your m/c but wasn't successful for a while (apologies if it wasn't you). On those unsuccessful times did you have all the O symptoms? Were you using OPKs at the time?
I don’t think it was me…I just started to transition into a fertile period and it happened. I wasn’t holding out much hope that I’d actually O until I saw 2 consecutive days of +OPKs and even then, I wasn’t sure. My body was showing the normal signs leading up to O but I was skeptical up until FF gave me solid crosshairs. I was kind of regretting not trying but mostly just relieved that things were moving in the right direction so I could give it a go soon.


I'm still a little nervous O won't come in the end. I decided to take a FRER last night right before dtd to make sure it was negative, since I'd only been testing with ICs. I waited maybe just under 5 minutes and it looked like a BFN, so we went ahead and dtd. This morning I looked at it again and there's a very, very faint squinter of a line - so faint it almost looks like an evap. I guess that means I still have a little HCG in my system? I'm assuming I can't O until it's all completely gone, right? They should hopefully call today with the results from Monday's blood test so I'm hoping I hear a very low number (I think I've heard anything under 5 and you're considered not pregnant - anyone know if that's right?).
YAY!!! Nice job, M.J.!!! :cheer: I heard the same thing…5 or under is considered not preggo and you can then O. I’m hoping w/all my heart that you O this time and get your BFP Christmas prezzie!!! If O comes this time, YAY!, if it doesn’t, try not to worry b/c it’ll come and your BFP will come too! I know this waiting is terrible (and it has just torn me up inside!), but trust in your LO coming exactly when she is supposed to come. I really believe that! Just look at Doula! :curtsey:

[Out of the Blue]

out of the blue, thank you so much. I guess I have to feel okay with it. We are both sad, though. While we aren't saying no yet (DH will have a vasectomy when we do), we are definitely going in the direction of not having more children. We want to give our kids things we didn't have, especially a paid-for college education. We aren't so much focus on material things as we are about solid futures. I hope that makes sense. :)
:hug2: fresas, if you and DH are meant to have another sweet soul come into your life she will and it’ll be the right time. Life is really funny and can change instantly. I completely understand about trying to give your kids things you didn’t have. When I start thinking about saving for higher education, etc., it really stresses me out!


I read your story about losing your beautiful daughters. I am so sorry. :( I cannot imagine that type of loss.
You know, most of the time, I still cannot believe it happened…it’s like a dream. I’m trying to stay positive for a healthy baby this next time but I have to be ready for anything. It’s scary but it’s much, much more scary never TTC/having a third child. Thx so much for your kind words. Overall, we’re honored for the experience, as sad and terrible as it has been.



On a totally different topic, I was at work today and observing a few of my least favorite female co-workers. They all either have boys or are pregnant with boys, they all smoke worse than a chimney (the pregnant one is STILL smoking), and have the worst diets in the world. I don't know about their husbands or their lifestyles outside of work, but at work, they have a very girl sway friendly lifestyle. I just thought I'd share. :D

Just when I think I’ve got what gender people should be having all figured out, I see the opposite happen! I always do this in my head when I see strangers, as well as people I know…I’m sway-crazy but this stuff is so interesting to me! There are just so many variables out there, especially when everyone’s make-up is so different.

[Out of the Blue]

freas, i think diet has a part for sure in swaying, im not sure how big of a piece it is to be honest, cuz ive seen women eat really wholesome and organic and natural and concieve girls...that could be because of a similiarity to LE type diet, where are they naturally consuming less fat, etc, BUT even if they are consuming less fat, they are taking in really healthy nutrients as well.

I believe there is so much complicated reasons that go into why x or y sperm fertilizes the egg, that almost the more you try to discover the reasons, the more it's like peeling back the layers of an onion. it's hard to get to the center of it, lol.
I think swaying is definitely worth a shot, but I wouldn't do it unless I was happy to welcome an opposite, only because you gotta have your heart open...all the great ladies here have their hearts open to a healthy child, but still hope for the gender they desire.

Then sometimes I think conception is really is as simple as which sperm just get lucky enough to get there first, and that no matter how hard we try to sway the odds in our favor, it's just such a random process of a one certain sperm getting lucky. I don't think that often; but sometimes when I see tons of women with genders that defy what I know about female/male conceptions I think maybe I don't know anything at all, and this process of how gender is determined is not meant to be understood by us humans....
This is totally how I was able to relax…Knowing that there’s no magic bullet, no guarantee and that I’ll just do what I am able to do, what makes sense to me and then make peace w/it all. If I can do that, it’ll make me feel so much better if I do get another boy…At least I will know for the rest of my life that I did what I could at that time to try for a girl. It’ll give me so much peace, even if GD is still there.


SORRY FOR ALL MY POSTING BOMBS JUST NOW!!! :oops:

[Mochagirl]

I don’t think it was me…I just started to transition into a fertile period and it happened. I wasn’t holding out much hope that I’d actually O until I saw 2 consecutive days of +OPKs and even then, I wasn’t sure. My body was showing the normal signs leading up to O but I was skeptical up until FF gave me solid crosshairs.

Hmmmm....maybe it was Glittergirl who told me that. How long after your m/c was your O? I haven't done an OPK yet today, but I'm going to soon (I've been holding my pee all morning). :fx: that it's + today!

[Mochagirl]

I just tested and got another -OPK :(. In fact, this time I bought some non-digis, and the test line is barely visible. Seriously, my cervix could not be any softer or more open and I have TONS of EWCM. I guess I'll wait and test again later.

[Out of the Blue]

Hmmmm....maybe it was Glittergirl who told me that. How long after your m/c was your O? I haven't done an OPK yet today, but I'm going to soon (I've been holding my pee all morning). :fx: that it's + today!

I O'd 26 or 27 days after my m/c. My Ovulation Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/340f25) You may O earlier since you weren't quite as far along maybe. Sending you TONS of +OPK vibes!!! :cheerteam:

I have no clue when I'll O since my cycles were crazy before I conceived last time so who knows. We'll probably start BD on Fri but it may be a long while before I actually O. Maybe I'll have to have a big O the first few times b/c I won't make it w/15 days of BD w/out having any fun!

[Out of the Blue]

I just tested and got another -OPK :(. In fact, this time I bought some non-digis, and the test line is barely visible. Seriously, my cervix could not be any softer or more open and I have TONS of EWCM. I guess I'll wait and test again later.

I hadn't seen this when I posted before...Just continue the testing and I'll continue to think + thoughts for you!

[Mochagirl]

I just read elsewhere that OPKs don't always work after a m/c because of all the crazy hormones we have in our system - it said you can get both false positives and false negatives. I guess in the end maybe my temperature will be the only thing that will tell me whether or not I've O'd for sure. If I still have these crazy O symptoms tonight, I think we might as well dtd again to keep our bases covered. I'm on CD 17 now and pre-m/c I always O'd between CD12 and CD16.

Hey - this may be too personal, but did you find you produced more ewcm than usual the cycle after your m/c? I seem to be, and I suppose it's kind of in accord with the idea that you are super fertile immediately after a m/c....

[Out of the Blue]

I say DEFINITELY DTD tonight!!! You are so right about the OPKs...Temping is waaaay more accurate regardless of post-m/c or not.

Okay...TMI but I've always had gobbs of EWC, even on the diet. When I conceived last time, I had the most EWC I'd ever seen during the cycles I'd been paying attention to. This last O, I still had lots of EWC but not as much as that last time. I also quit checking pH back in early May (I think) since it just wouldn't ever go down...even w/diet.

I'm procrastinating eating lunch b/c I'm too lazy to make it....Going to but the boys down for a nap and then figure something out. I never feel hungry anymore until I start eating...Then my stomach says, "Oh, yeah...FOOD!!!". If I ever come into a lot of $$$, I'm going to hire a personal chef to make me yummy, healthy food!

[Mochagirl]

Okay...TMI but I've always had gobbs of EWC, even on the diet.

I've always had lots too - I always figured that's why I have 3 boys. However, on the last two cycles on the diet it was finally changing and becoming more watery/creamy at O. That was only after about 4 months strictly on the diet, though, and the antihistamines probably had something to do with it too!

Maybe I don't actually have more ewcm than my old 'normal' - it's just been a while since I've seen it, and I've certainly never had this much but still only been getting very faint OPKs. It's very frustrating!

I did another HPT today because that very faint BFP on the FRER last night made me nervous. I didn't use an IC this time, but I did use another brand of 'early' storebought tests. It was a BFN (phew!). Hopefully the little bit of HCG that was in my system last night is gone now.


I never feel hungry anymore until I start eating...Then my stomach says, "Oh, yeah...FOOD!!!".

I'm the same way...with lunch at least. Once I have my coffee, my stomach is satisfied for a looong time. I usually feed my kids lunch before I even think about what I'm going to eat. Although at least on this diet, the options are so limited that there isn't much decision-making at play - I pretty much have either rice and yogurt or salad every day for lunch. Today I mixed things up: I had rice and yogurt with spinach mixed into it and called it a warm spinach salad! :bigsmile:

[Mochagirl]

I just made myself feel a lot better by looking back at my old charts. On the past two cycles I conceived (both my angel baby and ds3), I had up to 6 days of ewcm and SHOW cervix before O - with my angel baby the cm turned to watery, but not until O-day (and only after taking antihistamines). I think I need to be a little more patient and maybe O will come a few days from now - yesterday was only my first day of ewcm.

[zanacal]

I hope you O soon Mocha. I too have the most EWCM 4 or 5 days before I O and it's almost disappeared by O day. Did you get your blood test results back?

[Mochagirl]

I haven't heard about the blood test results yet - if I don't hear anything tomorrow I might call the doctor's office to follow up.

I don't know why I'd forgotten about the days of ewcm leading up to O, and it was always worst on the months I actually conceived. Probably not a coincidence - those must have been my most fertile months. Hopefully this early, abundant ewcm is a good sign that this is a very fertile month too.

Z - did the antihistamines keep your ewcm in check? I had both zyrtec and benedryl last night and it didn't seem to make a bit of difference.

[zanacal]

I don't remember too well but I'm pretty sure I still had at least some. I had lots around 4 days before (we were at Legoland and I was worried I would O while we were away!) but I don't think I had loads the day before/day of O because I was surprised to get an early +OPK. This is probably TMI but I had a BM the night before our attempt and that expelled quite a lot of EWCM - so even though I didn't have tonnes of visible EWCM, it was obviously still there internally (although I like to think I squeezed it all out :D).

[fresas]

out of the blue, thanks so much for your understanding. :) I just read your blog post and was deeply moved. You are constantly in my thoughts.

mochagirl, I hope you are able to conceive a healthy girl and soon. :)

aurora, I wish swaying was as certain as HT is. :)

[Mochagirl]

Ahhhh - now I don't know what the heck is going on. Last night, right before bed, my ewcm stopped and now I'm bleeding again (with a tiny bit of ewcm mixed in). The blood is different this time, though - not brown like the tail end of my m/c bleeding. It's just like a very light af - I even have some mild af cramps. There's no way this could be af, is there? I only had my m/c 18 days ago and just stopped spotting 3 days ago. Normally af comes between cd26 and 28...

Boy, when people warned me my cycle would be messed up after m/c they weren't kidding!

[Mochagirl]

I went back and checked, and I would actually characterise this as bloody ewcm (too stretchy and slippery to be blood) - kind of like I had 2 days ago when I started showing O symptoms. Only a drop or two actually make it to my pad, so I guess it's not heavy enough to be my period. Anyone ever heard of bloody ewcm after miscarriage before? DH and I didn't dtd last night because of the blood.

[Out of the Blue]

out of the blue, thanks so much for your understanding. :) I just read your blog post and was deeply moved. You are constantly in my thoughts.

:hug2: & :HH:

[Out of the Blue]

Today I mixed things up: I had rice and yogurt with spinach mixed into it and called it a warm spinach salad! :bigsmile:

Hmmm...Did you put any seasoning in the yogurt or just rice and spinnie? I used to love your cumin yogurt stuff but I was eating it in the early days of pregnancy and somehow created an aversion to it w/the onset of m/s. Haven't been brave enough to try it again.


...I had up to 6 days of ewcm and SHOW cervix before O... I think I need to be a little more patient and maybe O will come a few days from now - yesterday was only my first day of ewcm.

I think I had similar patterns...several days of EWCM and then tapered off around O.



I went back and checked, and I would actually characterise this as bloody ewcm (too stretchy and slippery to be blood) - kind of like I had 2 days ago when I started showing O symptoms. Only a drop or two actually make it to my pad, so I guess it's not heavy enough to be my period. Anyone ever heard of bloody ewcm after miscarriage before? DH and I didn't dtd last night because of the blood.

Mocha, IMO that's normal! I think I remember having a stretch of that after my m/c. My spotting would come and go for a wk or 2 (if I can remember correctly) and there were definitely times where there was stretchy stuff mixed in. Try not to worry...O will come...just try to stick it out a bit longer as it may just be a bit later than anticipated. I know this waiting reaaaaallllly sucks! I never thought it would take this long to have our third (caboose). By now, I had anticipated having our LO in our arms well over a year ago. I didn’t know about Vitex until PP AF had finally come 13+ mos later so we lost a lot of ground there. Then we had to postpone TTC a few times due to other conflicts. After this m/c it put us back way further than I ever thought possible. I’ve reached a point where I’ve given up trying to plan the time our LO will come…I have to remind myself that what will be, will be and there’s not a lot I can control other than when we BD. Just want that fast forward button sometimes, though!

[Mochagirl]

Thanks, Jen - it definitely is frustrating to wait and you've had to wait way longer than I have. I'm not the most patient person to begin with, and I've always gotten pregnant so easily and had perfect, uncomplicated pregnancies in the past, so this is all new to me. It really makes me think about how frustrating it must be to go through this when ttc your first baby. At least we have our ds's to cuddle and hold and we don't have to wonder whether we'll ever have children....

The spotting has stopped, and now it's just watery, clear ewcm and my cervix is still SHOW so I'm going to keep hope that my body's still gearing up to O sometime soon. I wonder if dtd the other night had a delayed bleeding reaction (24 hours later)? I'll be taking another OPK later today once I've held my pee long enough. I'll let you all know what happens! :fx:

[Out of the Blue]

Thanks, Jen - it definitely is frustrating to wait and you've had to wait way longer than I have. I'm not the most patient person to begin with, and I've always gotten pregnant so easily and had perfect, uncomplicated pregnancies in the past, so this is all new to me. It really makes me think about how frustrating it must be to go through this when ttc your first baby. At least we have our ds's to cuddle and hold and we don't have to wonder whether we'll ever have children....

Ditto on the other pregnancies…I just had really bad hyperemesis to deal w/but never had to worry about losing my LO. This m/c has completely changed everything, as far as pregnancies go and I'm so clueless. I'm just trying to go w/the flow but it sucks not knowing what my body is doing or will do and I'm a bit terrified to even get preg again. I know I’ll always be holding my breath (so-to-speak) until my next LO is delivered safely. Sometimes I have a bad day and start feeling so sorry for myself but I see so many others out there who have had so many more struggles than I and like you said, have no LO yet. How do they do it? They must be more scared of not trying than trying and losing another. They are so very strong and I am so very sorry they are going through this! Cuddling my boys really does help but at times, I’m so terrified that it’ll only be them and that we’ll never have a 3rd. I know I have to shake those thoughts, think positively and remain so very thankful for our 2 healthy, sweet boys. There are preg loss boards on other sites but I cannot go there b/c it just brings me down and robs me of engendering positive thoughts. I cannot move on if I cannot remain positive and hopeful. I just can't go there...so I remain here.


The spotting has stopped, and now it's just watery, clear ewcm and my cervix is still SHOW so I'm going to keep hope that my body's still gearing up to O sometime soon. I wonder if dtd the other night had a delayed bleeding reaction (24 hours later)? I'll be taking another OPK later today once I've held my pee long enough. I'll let you all know what happens! :fx:
That’s great!!! DTD could definitely have induced some bleeding, especially since you’re still healing in there. Regardless, O is definitely coming for you…Got my FX that it’ll be soon and you’ll pull of a nice BFP from it. I’ve got a really good feeling about you getting it this time, especially since it’ll be your 1st O. :fingers: for you!!!!!

[Mochagirl]

Thanks again, Jen - I have everything crossed that you'll get your BFP this month as well :HH:

I know what you mean about the pregnancy loss boards. I've visited a bunch of them since my m/c (but not posted), and it really does bring you down...especially when you see how many women have recurrent losses. It makes me worry my eggs are too old (I'm 37) and the same thing's going to happen again. I think I need to stop reading those board and focus on a positive outlook for the future.

By the way, sorry for all the other pink swayers that I've been dominating this thread with m/c talk.

[rainbowflower]

I agree that the loss boards on other forums can have mixed blessings - I don't know how I'd have coped after my MC without having that place to go and share, and talking to others to try and offer comfort or suggestions of things that can help them cope made me feel like some small good had come from my loss
however, during my pregnancy those boards overwhelmed me and made me even more of a nervous wreck than I had been - every loss later than I was became another milestone I had to reach before I could relax, I had to leave them then too

[Mochagirl]

I feel like I've gotten the best of both worlds by just hanging out here on Gender Dreaming - I'm getting support from tons of women who've experienced what I've experienced, but all the sad stories are interspersed with happy stories of healthy subsequent pregnancies (like Glittergirl). I agree, rainbow, that I couldn't have gotten through this without all the support from amazing women like you :HH:. It's really nice to know I'm not alone and lots of women have gone through this and have been ok in the end.

[Mochagirl]

Woohoo! Definite progress - my OPK today was a pretty dark line - not positive, but getting way closer. If it weren't for the crazy hormones causing havoc in my body, I'd put money on me getting a +OPK tomorrow. Nothing to do but wait and see...

[auroara78]

good luck mocha on + OPK!!

and Freas, I wish swaying was more of a guarantee!

[amari]

Hi, ladies, mind if I join in here too...?

[maybeoneday]

Hi ladies, sorry I have been awol for a while, been super busy at home... We started building our extension this week and the builders and supposed to be here for 4 months. On the plus side they are building me another bedroom for my DD if all goes to plan!!!

I also get loads of EWCM before I O and it has usually tailed off by the time I get my +OPK. It is one of the reasons I decided to put in another attempt this month (DTD while I still had some..) Anyway, decided to DTD yesterday, expecting to get a +OPK tomorrow but it came early and was + today so will probably by O tomorrow...

Think we are going to DTD again tonight, then maybe tomorrow as well.

Mocha and OOTB, I wish you both all the luck in the world for a BFP, you both deserve it and I hope you can both enjoy your pregnancies :HH:

:wave: Jamie and Amari, good luck to you both and FX for BFPs for us all.

xx

[amari]

Hey, ladies. I actually wish I had more ewcm, then you have more to manipulate. I never really have any so I have no signs of O. Then again, I don't O or get my period which is why i am on provera now and about to take clomid! But i am jealous that you all can do the rephresh and all that stuff.

So, this is my first month if i ever do ovulate, those who have done this, when did you decide to dtd? how many times? did you do abstain or frequent release? did you use the first batch before your attempt or dump it? thanks for your experience! Good luck to all of you this month!!

[Mochagirl]

Sorry, amari - that must be really frustrating :(.

As for when to dtd - you'll find a full range of options followed by the ladies here. Lots of women still believe in timing and do a 2 day cut-off, but I personally think that lowers your odds of pregnancy too much and I don't believe in timing anyway. When I was swaying last summer I had dh release every day starting on CD1, then we started to dtd for real every day once I started showing O signs and continued to dtd through O. One month we dtd 9 days in a row (and that was after dh had been releasing daily for 7 days)! With my angel baby frequent release wasn't really an option because we were staying with family. Instead we did sort of a compressed frequent release - when I had signs that O was coming I had dh release twice in one day, then once more the next day before we dtd for real. We then continued to dtd every day until O happened.

This time I'm taking it even more easy. Since I have no idea when or if O is going to happen, I don't want to wear us both out with frequent release. Instead I just had dh release once a few hours before my attempt and relied on rephresh and jump and dump to take care of the rest. We're going to have another attempt tonight so we're doing the same thing again. We'll probably continue to do this until I get my +OPK then have one more attempt and stop.

[amari]

Sorry, amari - that must be really frustrating :(.

As for when to dtd - you'll find a full range of options followed by the ladies here. Lots of women still believe in timing and do a 2 day cut-off, but I personally think that lowers your odds of pregnancy too much and I don't believe in timing anyway. When I was swaying last summer I had dh release every day starting on CD1, then we started to dtd for real every day once I started showing O signs and continued to dtd through O. One month we dtd 9 days in a row (and that was after dh had been releasing daily for 7 days)! With my angel baby frequent release wasn't really an option because we were staying with family. Instead we did sort of a compressed frequent release - when I had signs that O was coming I had dh release twice in one day, then once more the next day before we dtd for real. We then continued to dtd every day until O happened.

This time I'm taking it even more easy. Since I have no idea when or if O is going to happen, I don't want to wear us both out with frequent release. Instead I just had dh release once a few hours before my attempt and relied on rephresh and jump and dump to take care of the rest. We're going to have another attempt tonight so we're doing the same thing again. We'll probably continue to do this until I get my +OPK then have one more attempt and stop.

There are so many options, I wish there was just one way to do it! I was going to do the frequent release and not worry about timing either and just go straight though but i think that's pretty much how ds1 was conceived. of course i wasn't doing the diet or anything then. we just did it 18 days in a row! so now when you say you are doing another attempt will you have him release first and dump it before you use it? how many days in a row have you done it this time? have you had a +opk yet? i think i remember you saying they were getting darker? good luck, girlie!

[Mochagirl]

Since we're not dtd every day, I'm having him release before each attempt. My OPK this afternoon was getting darker, but I did another one tonight and it was quite faint. I'm hoping it was just because my pee was a lot more diluted - I drink so much tea and CL in the afternoon that it's almost impossible to get an accurate OPK. The EWCM is gone now, but I still have watery cm and an open cervix so I'm hoping O is coming....

[Mochagirl]

So now I'm more confused than ever. No spotting today, which is good - but as of bedtime last night my cm had turned to watery but was very scant and when I did an OPK it was very faint (though my pee might have been too diluted). DH and I dtd anyway.

Today my temps are up a bit - just into my normal post-O temp threshold - and I checked with FF by plugging in imaginary temps for the next 2 days - if my temp stays this high, I'll get my crosshairs for yesterday (and I think maybe that attempt with DH will have been a post-O attempt, so not great). My cervix is still quite open, though maybe only medium high and soft, and I never got anything even approaching a +OPK. My cm seems ew today, but I think it's just semen confusing me. I guess I'll just wait until mid-day and see what my OPK tells me.

[amari]

I don't know much about the temping part, but I do think it is realllly hard to tell anything cm wise once there is semen in there. Also, I think drinking all the aspartame changes things a lot too. You got a couple good tries in there either way though, right?

[Mochagirl]

Well, IF I O'd yesterday I think it was mid-day sometime, which would mean I had an O-2 and something approaching an O+12 attempt - while that may sound good for girl swaying, it's not ideal for me since I'm less concerned with timing and more concerned with getting pregnant again as quickly as possible. I'm also worried because I used half a tube of rephresh yesterday morning thinking O was still a couple of days away - I'm worried I killed all the sperm from our first attempt and maybe also the sperm from last night's attempt.

I do agree that the cm isn't the best indicator while swaying. Yesterday I used some rephresh, drank tons of aspartame and took an antihistamine - so all of that could have made my cm change. And yes, the semen does confuse anything, though my cervix definitely still feels SHOW (I just checked again).

Here's a question - if my body made an attempt to O but didn't succeed, would my temperature still have gone up? I suppose it's possible I missed the surge with my OPKs, but I was taking them pretty frequently.

[amari]

As my 1st attempt (hopefully) approaches I would really love some input. Sorry its so long...Here is what I am doing:

Started off on a girl diet about a month or so ago with cal/mag, cranberry, folic acid.

Switched to LE diet about 3 weeks ago. Just on baby aspirin, folic acid, and fiber now. DH on licorice root.

I will take my last pill tonight to get my period going, and once that starts (fingers crossed) I will start clomid on cycle days 5-9).

I don't test my ph but drink lots of cl, pep tea and rrl tea with equal. i will have to ease up on the aspartame around O because atomic says that i will be too dry due too the clomid. this means i also can't use the rephresh or aci-jelly or benadryl. (i actually am weaning off benadryl which i have been using as a sleep aid for months, down to a tiny sliver).

I am eating breakfast now but will stop around O time.

So, my plan and questions, i am confused as to whether to do frequent release or abstain? if we do fr we will start at af and go through to +opk, at +opk he will release one more time and then we will do an attempt and then the same thing the next day, one more release outside and the one more attempt? Do I have this right? if we abstain the we have an attempt at +opk.

My questions keeping in mind i will be on clomid:
1. Frequent release or abstain? I am concerned b/c ds1 was conceived after 18 days of sex but no other sway factors of course.
2. if fr, dump first batch before first attempt and dump batch before second attempt?
3. Jump and dump? after each attempt?
4. if abstain, do you dump batch before second attempt or do you only do one attempt?
5. Should we do 2 or 3 attempts? if we do fr?
Am i missing anything? Thanks, i know this is long, i am relatively new to all this and the clomid si throwing me off!

[Out of the Blue]

By the way, sorry for all the other pink swayers that I've been dominating this thread with m/c talk.
I’m sorry too! Hope we didn’t scare anyone away!!!


...talking to others to try and offer comfort or suggestions of things that can help them cope made me feel like some small good had come from my loss...

Yes…you are so right! Helping others really heals me. It helped for a bit but it got to be too heavy on my soul as my mind was still w/my loss instead of moving on so I’ve left but I’ll definitely go back and help others once I’m able to handle it mentally (maybe when I’m in my 3rd trimester w/a healthy bub on the way…???) Sigh…

[Out of the Blue]

:wave: Amari! Yes, do join us!


Hey, ladies. I actually wish I had more ewcm, then you have more to manipulate. I never really have any so I have no signs of O. Then again, I don't O or get my period which is why i am on provera now and about to take clomid! But i am jealous that you all can do the rephresh and all that stuff.
So, this is my first month if i ever do ovulate, those who have done this, when did you decide to dtd? how many times? did you do abstain or frequent release? did you use the first batch before your attempt or dump it? thanks for your experience! Good luck to all of you this month!!
Sorry Amari! You can take things to increase your CM if you want to. I think green tea helps and of course drinking more water can’t hurt. With Clomid, you’ll want to get preg as soon as possible so BD a lot would probably be in your best interest but I understand your hesitation as this is how your DS was conceived. We’re planning on BD now (AF just stopped) until I O (which could be a wk -2 wks as my cycle is still crazy do to the recent m/c). I just want to get preg w/a healthy bub and trust in the diet. Can you use Sylk if you are able to increase your CM or would that be bad w/your other meds? Sorry…I don’t know much about Clomid and Provera drug interactions, etc.

[Out of the Blue]

Hi ladies, sorry I have been awol for a while, been super busy at home... We started building our extension this week and the builders and supposed to be here for 4 months. On the plus side they are building me another bedroom for my DD if all goes to plan!!!
That’s really nice! Four mos is a long time but when it’s over, you’ll be really happy! I keep telling DH we need a bigger house w/a big playroom that the boys (and future girl) can go crazy in instead of everywhere else in the house. We can’t buy a new one until this house sells but the market is so low that we’re waiting until it picks up a bit…hope it’s sooner than later.


...decided to DTD yesterday, expecting to get a +OPK tomorrow but it came early and was + today so will probably by O tomorrow...Think we are going to DTD again tonight, then maybe tomorrow as well.
Sounds great! Best of luck!!! :pinksperm: :fx:


Mocha and OOTB, I wish you both all the luck in the world for a BFP, you both deserve it and I hope you can both enjoy your pregnancies :HH:
Thank you so much!

[auroara78]

GL out of the blue on your attempt coming up!

Mocha, any more word about whether you figured out if you O'ed or not? I cannot imagine how frustrating that must be!!

I'm 5 dpo today and really doubting my sway :(

I feel kind of freaked out that we DTD in the MORNING of the day I o'ed...isn't morning supposed to sway boy big time? Ugh, I was losing weight in the process of O'ing, but it wasn't a ton of weight...but the numbers were dropping some....

I'm just freaked out I guess since my two boys were concieved on O days.....blah....I just feel like if I got preggo this cycle, I'll always be like "what if" I did this or that better...this is normal, right?

[Out of the Blue]

Here's a question - if my body made an attempt to O but didn't succeed, would my temperature still have gone up? I suppose it's possible I missed the surge with my OPKs, but I was taking them pretty frequently.

From what it sounds like you maybe O'd and missed your surge but also may be gearing up to O (a false start like you said above)...Not sure about the temp...I think it would have to do w/how long before your body makes another attempt??? Wish I had some answers for you. This is so frustrating, isn't it! :HH: You're doing everything in your power to get preg this time so keep it up and keep up the faith! From my end, I'll continue to send you pink O vibes, lol.

[Out of the Blue]

As my 1st attempt (hopefully) approaches I would really love some input. Sorry its so long...Here is what I am doing:

Started off on a girl diet about a month or so ago with cal/mag, cranberry, folic acid.

Switched to LE diet about 3 weeks ago. Just on baby aspirin, folic acid, and fiber now. DH on licorice root.

I will take my last pill tonight to get my period going, and once that starts (fingers crossed) I will start clomid on cycle days 5-9).

I don't test my ph but drink lots of cl, pep tea and rrl tea with equal. i will have to ease up on the aspartame around O because atomic says that i will be too dry due too the clomid. this means i also can't use the rephresh or aci-jelly or benadryl. (i actually am weaning off benadryl which i have been using as a sleep aid for months, down to a tiny sliver).

I am eating breakfast now but will stop around O time.

Sounds really good, Amari!!!

So, my plan and questions, i am confused as to whether to do frequent release or abstain? if we do fr we will start at af and go through to +opk, at +opk he will release one more time and then we will do an attempt and then the same thing the next day, one more release outside and the one more attempt? Do I have this right? if we abstain the we have an attempt at +opk.

Personally, abstaining kind of freaks me out b/c I don't want old sperm to fertilize my egg. Not sure if it's a big deal or not but I don't want to take that chance. If you go the FR method, as long as he's releasing (either in you or on his own) every day, you're in good shape. You may want to have him start FR by himself several days before he switches to FR inside you so that the sperm count is decreased when you start to TTC. I don't believe in timing but I do believe that lowering the sperm count sways girl. In my other post, I suggested Sylk but in rethinking it, don't use it if you are on Clomid.

My questions keeping in mind i will be on clomid:
1. Frequent release or abstain? I am concerned b/c ds1 was conceived after 18 days of sex but no other sway factors of course.
2. if fr, dump first batch before first attempt and dump batch before second attempt?
That's compressed FR. You can do that or just do like I said above. Others may have some imput on this as well...

3. Jump and dump? after each attempt?
It's up to you...If you're on Clomid, I wouldn't b/c you're already doing other things to lower sperm count and you want to get preg soon!

4. if abstain, do you dump batch before second attempt or do you only do one attempt?

5. Should we do 2 or 3 attempts? if we do fr?
The more attempts, the better when you're on Clomid!

Am i missing anything? Thanks, i know this is long, i am relatively new to all this and the clomid si throwing me off!

Hope this helps!

[Out of the Blue]

GL out of the blue on your attempt coming up!

Thanks! :nails:


I'm 5 dpo today and really doubting my sway :(

I feel kind of freaked out that we DTD in the MORNING of the day I o'ed...isn't morning supposed to sway boy big time? Ugh, I was losing weight in the process of O'ing, but it wasn't a ton of weight...but the numbers were dropping some....

I'm just freaked out I guess since my two boys were concieved on O days.....blah....I just feel like if I got preggo this cycle, I'll always be like "what if" I did this or that better...this is normal, right?

Auroara, I think you did a great job! I really, truely don't believe in timing...There are just too many opposites out there and I don't see enough data. Just my humble opinion. Just trust in the things that were in your favor...I'll bet there were several things you don't realize that were tipped to pink this time than last time. The scale was dropping and that is great! :agree: I feel for you b/c I know exactly what you're going through. Last time I concieved was when I was OFF the sway and taking a break. I was in a dark and doubting place for a bit but realized that I couldn't change anything and I new I was going to get the soul I was meant to get (even though they're angels now) and at least one of those kiddos was pink! Try to be kind to yourself and trust in the process. I know...waaaaay easier said than done! :HH:

[zanacal]

auroara - I think IG said DTD in the morning for a boy but I read a study which said sperm count was lower in the morning and that would sway pink. Either way, I shouldn't think it makes much of a difference at all!

amari - I agree with blue's comments. If I were on Clomid (but I was worried about DTD too many times) I would get DH to FR for 7-10 days without DTD then have a couple of attempts around O time (maybe O-1 and O or O-2 and O-1 if that worries you - though the first would be easier because you could DTD day of +OPK and again the next day). I wouldn't jump and dump with Clomid.

[Mochagirl]

Mocha and OOTB, I wish you both all the luck in the world for a BFP, you both deserve it and I hope you can both enjoy your pregnancies :HH:

xx

Awww...thanks, maybe! You and I can be 2WW (and hopefully due date) buddies!

[Mochagirl]

Your sway sounds great, amari! One thing that OoTB touched on is the potential dangers of abstaining. Some studies have shown that with men over 35, there MIGHT be an increase in birth defects if he abstains. If you're both under 35 I don't think you need to worry about that.

[Mochagirl]

Thanks for all your support as I try to figure out my wonky cycle, ladies! I haven't done my OPK yet, but I've been holding my pee all morning and have had nothing to drink, so hopefully it will be an accurate test. My cervix still feels SHOW with tons of watery cm (which of course could just be semen). I'll give you all an update after my OPK.

[Mochagirl]

Well, I just did my OPK, and it's still negative. The line is almost identical in darkness to the one I did 24 hours ago, so either my surge happened during the night or it hasn't happened yet. The third option (which I'm hoping isn't the case) would be that my body geared up to O but didn't succeed. I guess I'll wait and see what my temperature is tomorrow. I wish I wasn't feeling so impatient.

[mandicane]

I'm sure it will happen, Mocha. I know its hard not to be impatient but your body is still returning back to normal. If you had regular periods before than you should have no problems getting everything back in order. Don't you at the waiting game of conception? Sorta drives u crazy!

[Mochagirl]

Yes, everything about pregnancy is about waiting...waiting to ovulate, 2WW, waiting for the 20W scan, waiting for the due date...it's exhausting! My cycles have always been very regular, so I'm hoping things go back to normal quickly.

I just called my doctor's office to follow up about those blood tests I had on Monday. The secretary told me that my HCG was at 13 then. Now it's 5 days later - any hope it's at 0 now? Maybe I should break out my FRER to test and make sure it's a BFN now - I get BFNs with ICs, but a more sensitive test might still be able to pick something up. Anyone know the sensitivity of a FRER?

[amari]

Ok, thanks for your responses. So fr outside for 7-10 days, then once I get a +opk have sex 2 or 3 times on separate days. Should he have "releases" that we don't use in between our attempts? And I shouldn't use rephresh or jump and dump because of the clomid?? what about a combo of sylk and rephresh-does anyone know about that??

Mocha-I hope that it is just funky b/c of your m/c and that you get your bfp! it is so hard to know what is going on! fingers crossed!

[maybeoneday]

Maybe I should break out my FRER to test and make sure it's a BFN now - I get BFNs with ICs, but a more sensitive test might still be able to pick something up. Anyone know the sensitivity of a FRER?

I think it is 10 whereby a lot of less sensitive tests are 20.

Mocha, I hope we can be BFP and due date buddies as well!

AFM, I got another :) today which is unusual for me - I am having a longer LH surge than usual and had a ton of CM as well so FX I am having a good month for catching the egg. I am getting a bit bored of swaying now :(

Think we will DTD again tonight as really want to be pregnant - my lucky husband.....

xx

[Mochagirl]

I did end up using a FRER and I got the faintest shadow of a line - no colour - just a shadow showing where the line would be. I guess that must mean my HCG is around 10 or so now? I was a little annoyed because my doctor doesn't think another blood test is necessary - he wants me to go for a repeat u/s instead to make sure everything is gone from my uterus (there was a 2.4 cm piece left as of 2 weeks ago, but they seemed to think it would be reabsorbed). Honestly, I find going to the u/s clinic so emotionally draining since it's full of happy pregnant women, so I want to avoid going until I'm pregnant again. I don't think I'm going to bother going unless I still get a BFP early next week.

Oh well, from what I've seen online most women with an HCG of 13 are down to 5 or under within a week. I'm starting to think my body was trying to O this week but couldn't because of the HCG. Hopefully the HCG will be gone by Monday, which will be 3 weeks after my m/c, and my body can finally O.

[zanacal]

This must be so frustrating for you mocha, I hope it happens really soon for you x

I'm hoping this is your month maybe!

I think that's a good plan amari - that's the advice when on Clomid, not to use anything else. Some girl swayers have even had to use a tiny bit of pre-seed even to get pregnant because their cm is so non existent. The FR is already making things harder for you along with the Clomid and you'll only be having a couple of attempts. If you don't get pregnant after a month or two you might have to DTD even more.

[zanacal]

Continue here please ladies:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/6873-pink-swayers-december-thread.html