Swaying blue with PCOS

[Ammue]

Hi Girls,

I am swaying light blue with PCOS. Ladies whi are also swaying blue with pcos, please share what you are doing with diet and exercise? I am having hard time to complete my protein intake.

TIA

[Girlswaylondon]

I’m not swaying blue but have a son naturally with pcos and at the time I snacked constantly and ate lots of fortified cereal and drank tons of tea! It’s alot easier to conceive boys with pcos!

Good luck! :)

[ksmom]

If you're eating meat, eggs, and dairy (full fat only!!) then you should be able to get enough protein. As Girlsway pointed out, snacking is important when swaying. I certainly did a lot of it with two out of three of my boys.
Atomic has a post about swaying blue with PCOS: Atomic Fertility Diet (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html) (5th post down).

[Ammue]

Hi Girls,

Thankyou for replying.

Is snacking a good idea even for mild insulin resistance? Like eating after every 2-3 hours. I have mild insulin resistance and my re has prescribed me metformin but i am not taking that, controling by diet only.

[ksmom]

I think for a blue sway even with PCOS (and Atomic please correct me if I'm wrong!), you're supposed to do 3 meals a day with 2 snacks. With the snacks you want to combine protein with carbs. It's better for blood sugar that way. Be careful with the carbs though! Try to do a protein with with either veggies or fruit. Whole grains are fine, but I think fruit and veg are better. Choose the more nutrient dense fruits and veggies if given the option.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Girls,

Thankyou for replying.

Is snacking a good idea even for mild insulin resistance? Like eating after every 2-3 hours. I have mild insulin resistance and my re has prescribed me metformin but i am not taking that, controling by diet only.

yes it is still good to snack, just do so lightly with healthy foods.

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

Thankyou for replying.

One more question please, i have a normal LP of 14 days. But i spot 2-3 days before periods, can i be progesterone deficient?

[atomic sagebrush]

No, that is not a big concern and nothing to worry about.

Believe it or not that is actually indicative of possibly lower estrogen, not progesterone. AT about 7 DPO your corpus luteum (which makes progesterone) starts to break down and so your body releases a big burst of estrogen to maintain your lining for another week or so. If you aren't pregnant the CL is almost totally broken down by 2 days before AF is due and so it is that estrogen that is preventing AF's arrival. only if you're pregnant is your body still actively making large amounts of progesterone at that point of the cycle.

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

Thanks for explaining.

Is there any way to increase estrogen levels naturally?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, by eating HE Diet + the basic supps, lifting weights, gaining a small amount of weight or holding steady if you're already overweight, and keeping your PCOS in control by not eating too many sugars and refined carbs!

You're already DOING it!! PLEASE do not now start Googling everything looking for stuff to do and take. Usually taking a bunch of things only makes matters worse and makes your cycle even more screwy.

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

Thankyou for replying.

I went for follicular scan today, today is my cd10. I was not taking any medicines which my re prescribed. I have two follicles, right ovary 29mm and left 26mm. Is 29mm too big? Can it be a cyst?

[atomic sagebrush]

It might be. It's definitely larger than the average especially for CD 10.

Can you tell me about the amount of carby foods you're eating?? Sugary stuff, grains, lots of starchy/sugary fruits like potatoes or bananas? Fruit juice? We may need to dial it back some on those things.

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

Yes even i think so. Shall i avoid IUI this month?

I have cut back a lot on grains and strachy fruits and veggies. I have avoided all kind of fruits, i am only taking low crb veggies. Since i am vegetarian, cant avoid lentils and grains.

Breakfast 1- tea with high fibre biscuit
Breakfast 2- lentil pancake or some egg with 1 bread (protein with carbs)
Snack- spinach soup with pumpkin seed
Lunch- 1 bread with veggies and cheese/ lentils
Snack- coconut water with almonds
Dinner -same as lunch
Snack- full fat yogurt

Let me know where i can cut down. All are small portions. I am also doing 40 mins of exercise for 5 days.

Felt very light after controlling portions.

[Ammue]

I also want to update you, last month with metformin and femara, follicular size on cd 20 was 24. So this month i am responding very well even without medicines.

My total sugar intake per day is 1 spoon and i also take 1 spoon of coconut oil.

[atomic sagebrush]

No I'm fine with you doing IUI this month if you want to, if the doc thinks it's an egg and not a cyst!

Oh, yes, I see, it's pretty hard to do lower carb when you're a vegetarian.

Are you deliberately avoiding dairy other than the yogurt?

I'd have you up intake of full fat dairy and eggs and cut back on the grains and lentils somewhat but keep eating nuts.

Something I see frequently is that vegetarians with PCOS sometimes even have to give up legumes and beans totally or mostly to be sure they are not getting too many carbs. I'm not saying you should do that yet, but I'd def. cut back on the lentils in favor of eggs, cheese, yogurt.

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

I will definitely cut back on lentils and grains. I will up cheese and yogurt. How much cheese and yogurt are allowed on PCOS. I was avoiding because of PCOS.

One more question since i my eggs are growing faster as compared to previous month, does that mean i am responding well to pcos diet or growing eggs too fast is a sign of poor fertility?

Anyway i am going for an ultrasound tomorrow and i will update you.

I could not thank enough of you ��

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm lost - why would cheese and yogurt be bad on PCOS? Did someone tell you that?

Cheese will be better than yogurt because it has fewer carbs, so just wanted to be sure you knew that.

Full fat ONLY no skim or part skim. Skim dairy IS bad for PCOS

I can't tell if it's a good sign or not because I don't know if this is a good egg or a cyst! If it's a cyst then that isn't good, if it's an egg that's great. I'm sorry it's just beyond my ability to know from here.

"eggs growing fast" is not a bad sign but a cyst is not good, obviously. :)

FXFXFX and blue dust headed your way

[Ammue]

Atomic, my doc told me to have less dairy as it raises testosterone which is i why i was limited to one serving in the form of yogurt. But now i will increase upto 3 servings including cheese as well.

[atomic sagebrush]

3 servings is fine. :agree: Full fat only. Skim dairy really is bad for PCO.

Telling someone who has PCOS to (in effect) eat more carbs because "dairy raises testosterone" is not great advice IMVVHO. Carbs are not your friend here. you need more protein and good fat, less carbs. Since you're a vegetarian, that leaves you with dairy and eggs. I think it's really going to help for you to make that change but if you feel like it makes things worse then go back to what you were eating before..

[Ammue]

Yes, i will up my dairy contents and will check my nutrition through my fitness pal.

Sorry for asking so many questions. But what happens to the cyst, do they need treatment or they resolve themselves? Do they affect next cycle?

[atomic sagebrush]

Some go away on their own and others don't. Yes, would probably inhibit ovulation. But remember your doc doesn't seem to think it's a cyst and s/he knows way better than I do about it because they are right there looking at them!!

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

I went for scan today (20 hours after trigger shot) , follicles has not ruptured yet. I have to go again tomorrow to see whether ovulation has happened or not. Follicle size has increased from 29 to 32, and another one was 26, but doc is saying its a good egg. I am really confused should i waste my money on IUI or not.

[atomic sagebrush]

I am not a doctor and nor can I see anything that they see (since they are there and I'm inside your computer! :))

I can't tell you what to do. If the doc is saying the egg is good and it's not a cyst I'd take them at their word. They have tons of experience doing this and I have none. I'd ask them if they've ever seen a follicle this size produce a viable pregnancy because they have firsthand experience doing this.

The other option of course is to just BD naturally and try to catch the egg.

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

Thankyou for replying.

Sorry i could not reply, i was feeling really down after so many failed cycles. My follicles did not rupture even after trigger shot, so they are probably cysts. My re has put me on progesterone supplements to get original periods and dissolve cyst.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh no I'm so sorry to hear that!! Please don't ever apologize for not getting back to me, it's my job to get back to you and not the other way around! :)

[Filzma]

Hi atomic saw this thread and thought I’d hop on rather than make a new one as it’s in the same vein.
I have hypothyroidism and low cortisol levels which I take medication. Started taking the meds last year after my hormones went haywire during my last pregnancy. I’ve been having fairly regular 27/28 day cycles apart from last month when it was 29days. I started temp charting this month and have had several pos opks since day 10 but no sign of o. However yesterday’s opk was way darker and I had lots of wcm and after realising I may have undiagnosed pcos... thought I’d begin ttc.
I’ve been swaying blue (without even knowing -3 months) and holding off ttc for jan up until last night when I just decided to dtd after a very very pos opk. It was different than the others because it was darker and did 3 opks at different times and still dark especially last nights.
While I’m happy with the decision I took last night, have a few questions and worries. I realise you’re not a doctor as you mentioned :)) but you’ve got experience...
Does pcos sway pink? Btw I plan to bd this morn and tonight God willing.
I’m worried I may have a short luteal phase and that coupled with the low progesterone that many women with pcos have...might jeopardise a potential bfp...that’s if I did/do even o.
I’ve seen (online) a couple of women say they take aspirin and b6 for lengthening luteal phase/progesterone (cant remember) ... have you come across this?
I’m happy and will live with the outcome (b/g) if I get a bfp but was slightly worried that this was my first unprotected bd in a long long while. I’ve read about the exposure to sperm hormone that you strongly believe sways blue and can’t help but feel a pit in my stomach.[emoji17][emoji20]
I guess I just want to feel better about my decision/potential pcos situation.
Hope this all makes sense and sorry for the long winded questions.

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

You are so kind and generous lady :heart:

Do you know how long to take progesterone supplement to kick start periods. I am taking 200 mg twice daily.

TIA

[Filzma]

Hi Ammue I’m not sure how much it takes but I wish you well on your journey [emoji177]

[Ammue]

Hi Ammue I’m not sure how much it takes but I wish you well on your journey [emoji177]

Hi Filzma,

Thankyou for your warm wishes and i indeed need these positive vibes :awe:

[Ammue]

Filzma,

Wishing you good luck too. May you get a christmas bfp. :heart:

[Filzma]

Awww thank you! [emoji177][emoji177]

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi atomic saw this thread and thought I’d hop on rather than make a new one as it’s in the same vein.
I have hypothyroidism and low cortisol levels which I take medication. Started taking the meds last year after my hormones went haywire during my last pregnancy. I’ve been having fairly regular 27/28 day cycles apart from last month when it was 29days. I started temp charting this month and have had several pos opks since day 10 but no sign of o. However yesterday’s opk was way darker and I had lots of wcm and after realising I may have undiagnosed pcos... thought I’d begin ttc.
I’ve been swaying blue (without even knowing -3 months) and holding off ttc for jan up until last night when I just decided to dtd after a very very pos opk. It was different than the others because it was darker and did 3 opks at different times and still dark especially last nights.
While I’m happy with the decision I took last night, have a few questions and worries. I realise you’re not a doctor as you mentioned :)) but you’ve got experience...
Does pcos sway pink? Btw I plan to bd this morn and tonight God willing.
I’m worried I may have a short luteal phase and that coupled with the low progesterone that many women with pcos have...might jeopardise a potential bfp...that’s if I did/do even o.
I’ve seen (online) a couple of women say they take aspirin and b6 for lengthening luteal phase/progesterone (cant remember) ... have you come across this?
I’m happy and will live with the outcome (b/g) if I get a bfp but was slightly worried that this was my first unprotected bd in a long long while. I’ve read about the exposure to sperm hormone that you strongly believe sways blue and can’t help but feel a pit in my stomach.[emoji17][emoji20]
I guess I just want to feel better about my decision/potential pcos situation.
Hope this all makes sense and sorry for the long winded questions.

I would start my own thread next time (not this time since I'm already answering LOL!) It's just easier for everyone for the most part! :) we don't worry too much about who posts what and where but in the long run I think it would be easier for you and for Ammue to have two diff. threads going. :)

PCOS sways blue. Thyroid and PCOS often do go hand in hand together. But you don't even KNOW you have an issue and the best treatment for PCOS anyway is diet and exercise. So I would have (as I have ALL blue swayers do) you do weight training and follow the variation of diet in this thread http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-a-girl-best-practices/1865-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-1-blood-sugar-issues.html?1865-Swaying-under-special-circumstances-Part-1-Blood-sugar-issues=

YOU CANNOT TAKE ASPIRIN with your thyroid. Aspirin and thyroid issues are a no-no and besides that, aspirin a) may sway pink and b) has been proven to have many, many risks and side effects that were not known till the last two years and many people on line still do not know them. These risks include fatal bleeding for you personally, heart attacks for you personally, and miscarriage. The only people who should be on aspirin IMO are those who have a proven blood clotting disorder and are under the care of a doctor.

B6 doesn't work for most people for LP issues (the people who say it works for them will say things like "I had to take B6 for 6 months but eventually I got pregnant) but those people very likely would ahve been pregnant in that amount of time anyway! I have seen B6 help maybe 3% of people with short LP and these were typically people who were not PCOSers. PCOS needs diet and exercise to fix it.

Since you have already had attempts I strongly, strongly urge you to keep rolling with more attempts! Worst thing to do is stop now!! Because that would leave you in with one attempt!! Go go go!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic,

You are so kind and generous lady :heart:

Do you know how long to take progesterone supplement to kick start periods. I am taking 200 mg twice daily.

TIA

What did your doctor say to take? That seems like a really high dose to me but I am concerned that the progesterone you are using is formulated in some way differently than the progesterone I am familiar with (which is given orally in 10 mg as you can see here in this link https://www.drugs.com/dosage/provera.html) I don't want to give you the wrong info, your doctor or pharmacist/chemist will be much better able to advise you than I am.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh whoops I misread that - you should take the progesterone for 5-10 days (depending on what your doctor has said) We have people who take it 5 days, some took it 7 days, others took it 10

[Filzma]

I would start my own thread next time (not this time since I'm already answering LOL!) It's just easier for everyone for the most part! :) we don't worry too much about who posts what and where but in the long run I think it would be easier for you and for Ammue to have two diff. threads going. :)

PCOS sways blue. Thyroid and PCOS often do go hand in hand together. But you don't even KNOW you have an issue and the best treatment for PCOS anyway is diet and exercise. So I would have (as I have ALL blue swayers do) you do weight training and follow the variation of diet in this thread http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-a-girl-best-practices/1865-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-1-blood-sugar-issues.html?1865-Swaying-under-special-circumstances-Part-1-Blood-sugar-issues=

YOU CANNOT TAKE ASPIRIN with your thyroid. Aspirin and thyroid issues are a no-no and besides that, aspirin a) may sway pink and b) has been proven to have many, many risks and side effects that were not known till the last two years and many people on line still do not know them. These risks include fatal bleeding for you personally, heart attacks for you personally, and miscarriage. The only people who should be on aspirin IMO are those who have a proven blood clotting disorder and are under the care of a doctor.

B6 doesn't work for most people for LP issues (the people who say it works for them will say things like "I had to take B6 for 6 months but eventually I got pregnant) but those people very likely would ahve been pregnant in that amount of time anyway! I have seen B6 help maybe 3% of people with short LP and these were typically people who were not PCOSers. PCOS needs diet and exercise to fix it.

Since you have already had attempts I strongly, strongly urge you to keep rolling with more attempts! Worst thing to do is stop now!! Because that would leave you in with one attempt!! Go go go!!!

Hi atomic, thank you for your reply. I can’t believe how inconsiderate it was for me to join onto a thread that someone made for a specific concern! I’m actually ashamed. Sorry Ammue.

Managed to get 2-o, 1-o and o attempt today. Thank you for the article, will read through it. No aspirin then! About the B6 that makes absolute sense. I need to continue working out and eating right. Thank you again. [emoji120]

[Ammue]

Hi Filzma,

Please never again apologize to me for any reason. I did not mind at all :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi atomic, thank you for your reply. I can’t believe how inconsiderate it was for me to join onto a thread that someone made for a specific concern! I’m actually ashamed. Sorry Ammue.

Managed to get 2-o, 1-o and o attempt today. Thank you for the article, will read through it. No aspirin then! About the B6 that makes absolute sense. I need to continue working out and eating right. Thank you again. [emoji120]

It's not inconsiderate at all and people do it all the time, just that I think it will be easier in the long run if you did!

No worries at all, like I said we don't get worked up over who posts where! Not a big issue at all. :)

[vnmora100]

Hi my DH would like TTC for boy next year, I want TTC this year for blue. So I would like to start prepping in swaying blue if we happen to get a bfp at all.im in no way trying to trick him.i just wanna make sure my diet is more blue.I'm more concerned that the older we are the less chance if having the sway go our way or conceiving at all, it been in the back of my head so much. Im 29 my dh is 28 I take multi vitamin woman 1day almost everyday try not to forget with fish oil and folic acid

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[atomic sagebrush]

vnmora I will answer this in the other thread you posted. It will be easier for you that way since it will be your own thread and it's always easiest for me if you guys post each question just once.