New blue sway - when to start?

[LMSM]

Hello here!

I probably will pass for a crazy lady, but the planner in me can’t really let it go – I just feel I could relax and enjoy this pregnancy more if I had a plan laid out IF we decide a 4th is on the cards ;)
so here goes :P

I have two beautiful girls, which we conceived after a bit of a long-ish journey both times, and Clomid. In retrospect, very girl friendly lifestyle probably overtook my blue personality.
Fast forward to now, I am expecting DD3 after a blue sway that unfortunately didn’t work – plus side, I got pregnant super fast, and baby stuck! After the initial sadness, disbelief (dare I say, shock) and disappointment, I am getting excited to meet this little girl.
DH is not 100% closed to a 4th bub, and being the planner that I am , in case we do TTC for a 4th, I want to be blue friendly, ready to go if and when the time comes..
Soooo, as HT seems to not be an option unless we win the lotto, what would be best to be as blue friendly as possible ? Obviosuly, when pregnant then BFing, some supps will be off the table etc – but I really hope to do a strong as can be sway this time – I have planned to exercise post partum as soon as I can and build it into my everyday, getting those weights etc ^^

I have tendencies to revert to my pink eating ways, not good obviously - so if being in HE mode for a while before TTCing (could possibly be 18m-2 years from now before we try) is ok, or even good/better than not, I’d like to have your thoughts!
I intend to breastfeed DD3 when she arrives, and providing all goes well, until the 12m mark – again, BFing is pink friendly so would not TTC straight after we wean (this time I fell pregnant 4 months after fully weaning DD2 (17m.o at the time) and maybe that was still too close to the weaning though my fertility came back great after a couple of months (better than ever!)?!)).
Anyways, just after some feedback (Atomic if you are reading this :D EPL, you are the guru of successful blue sways so keen to hear from you too!)

Thanks! ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

Honestly the supps are all fine with breastfeeding except EPO and I am giving that up anyway as I feel like it may have been contributing to opposites. I'd also stick with only a pregnancy DHA supp (like Expecta) and not a higher dose fish oil.

Tell me everything you're thinking about taking and I'll confirm they are all ok when nursing.

I definitely prefer a turnaround of 18 mos. between kiddos for blue sways.

YES YES doing HE style eating will only help. Just remember you don't want to be actively gaining weight that whole time of course so eat smarter, not harder!!

[MiaMelb]

Hi LMSM, you are definitely not crazy and as a planner also I can understand where you are coming from. I ended up on this site while still pregnant with DD2 so have been in presway mode for about two years also.

I have a tendency to gain/retain weight so know I will reverted to my natural pink friendly eating style over long periods so I've tried to make small sustainable blue changes such as changing to full fat versions, slowly easing back the coffee and adding in some supps. I'd like go think I've made some healthier decisions since DD2 and plan on going full sway 2-3 months prior to ttc.

Unfortunately the down side to planning so far in advance is you never know where you're going to be when the time truly comes. I was anticipating having DH 100% on board by now, have had my mirena removed and be in a better financial position ready to ttc. However actually ttc seems so far off still and I'm not even 100% sure I want to take the plunge anymore. Having a DS just seems like a unobtainable dream for me.

[LMSM]

Hi Atomic!
Thanks for the response – I never took EPO so that’s an easy one :D
Ok, LMSM essay – here goes!

I , like Mia, gain easily so have a tendency to want to not eat all the time the way I did during my sway, though what I do eat seems to be so girl friendly at the moment (not working for me anyways, still stacking the weight lol) - I have put on more weight than ever in pregnancy at this stage, and started some kilos heavier than before my last babies so definitely not keen to put on weight – need to get myself more organised and back on track so as to just eat more nutritiously overall to get more bang for my buck so to speak.
Wish I could exercise but my bloody irritable uterus tightens every move I make, so it does stop me in my tracks :P will try to get in the pool almost every night now that the weather is warming up here though.
However, as soon as I can post-partum would like to get into an exercise routine with weights etc so that I can inbed that regimen into my lifestyle :D

With the spacing, I’m not even sure I can get hubs convinced of a 4th (please please let this missy be an easy bub so he doesn’t get scared at the thought of a 4th lol) – but if so, we wouldn’t start trying until she is about 18 m.o I dare think – so I can wean her, get my cycles back, and so on...I will be “older” by then though, as would be almost 35 if we started at the 18 m.o mark (am sure aging doesn’t favour me for blue, especially since DH turns 40 in coming June :( ).
I have found an organic butcher not far from home, so will aim to gradually use that instead of our non-organic beef if I can find some good grassfed beef (I think the Omega 3s in grassfed meat is great?) – depending on cost too! Will load up on good nuts, coconut water, eggs (organic - at least 1-2 a day and including for hubs), low GI carbs to keep those BS levels stable, graze all day, loads of colourful veg & fruits, a good amount of FF dairy, limit coffee…. Always carbs with protein.
Overall, if I can plan my meals (which I have started to do and will be easier once I am on mat leave), I will hopefully be able to get all this in but without it being a problem weight-wise since intend to keep this up all the way through nursing and then TTC.

So at this stage, whilst pregnant, I guess just eating nutritiously (I need to get more protein back in my diet) and taking my prenatals is sufficient then? – then once bub is born and am nursing, will look at taking
- A pregnancy only DHA (not sure what we have in Australia that may be a pregnancy specific DHA)
- What about a breastfeeding multi? (which is the same as my prenatal) – would that be enough and can then not need the pregnancy only DHA (as some is contained in this multi )- though it is in the form of fish oil which I know isn’t great when nursing due to the blood thinning qualities of FO (but I think it only equates to 500mg anyways?)

Once I wean bub, add/keep in the blue supps – I was thinking:
- 500 mg fish oil all up (incl prenatal)
- Vit D 1000 Iu (included in the prenatal)
- Folate to 2000 mcg (there is 500 folic acid in the prenatal so would do 1500 folate and 500 folic acid – good idea?)
- Women’s multi – pregnancy (as per what I was taking before – or could just get a women’s multi and include the rest on top of it)
- CQ10 (200ui a day) – Ubiquinol - at BFP gradually wean off by spacing doses further and further out till down to one per week, then drop.
- Pro-biotic
- (max 99mg potassium a day)
- RRLT 2 cups during the first part of the cycle, one during the last part of the cycle, at BFP wean off by spacing doses (this should only take about a week)

For DH – should I start him on at least Men’s 50+ asap or should I wait until we wean bub (so a bit ahead of TTC only)? He won’t take the pills unless I basically put them in front of him so if I can start just with the men’s 50+ at first, that might be easier than doing all in one hit, and quite early before TTC stage - I had in mind for him
- Men’s over 50s one a day
- 500mg fish oil (including what may be in multi)
- CQ10 (100ui a day)
- Pro-biotic
- (max 99mg potassium a day)
Since he is fertile-ish (I mean only a couple of cycles ttc this time around! :D) but clearly has a tendency to give me girl sperm (or my eggs to only select his Xs – his Ys may not be good :P) :P would overall boosting his health, making him lift weights, and lose a bit of flab (in favour of muscle – he blames his small potbelly on my hormones haha) be good to do well in advance (how soon should I get him started?) – so as to get his overall sperm health up too? If so, what timeframe would be ideal to get him really geared up? ( I don’t want to “push” him but if I can nudge him saying I am trying to get fitter etc myself, it might help, so need to coordinate our timeframes, sort of lol).
Anything that sways super pink that I may not be aware of (and that he /I may be doing)??- I have read so much, and still feel I know so little lol

I will definitely try – once you know, we get past the “am sore down there/and I get nooo sleep/ have a bub attached to my boob 24/7” to also ensure we have very regular sex well before TTC time – so that first it is normal for him and he doesn’t feel I am “using” him (his words, jokingly whenever we are TTC :P ) and he doesn’t feel pressured to perform as that will already (hopefully) be our usual routine… will aim to a SMEP type of rhythm, hopefully.
Now I will need to find a way to get my sex-drive up even whilst BFing- and that, is a challenge (usually it only gets better once I wean).

Once I get closer to weaning bub, will likely come back for a personalised plan anyways – but in the interim, thanks so much once again for your generous helps and time :awe:

Miamelb- thanks for not calling me a lunatic haha
I just like to know where I am going – plan everything – have things in order – with such a rigid planner in me, how I made 3 girls is beyond me lol
I hope you can get DH on board sooner rather than later, it’s hard being in limbo either way – I will tell you this, as much as I still yearn terribly for a son, I get really emotional at the thoughts of three girlies growing up together into hopefully a trio of close young women, hopefully the best of friends – who I can be super close to as well – real life may well be different, but am hopeful still that this may be the case and that they will truly cherish each other and am very excited at the prospect of meeting our third daughter (still feels surreal to say this!).
:hugs:

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, I just wanted to let you know I have seen this and will get back with you when I can, I had this set aside all day long to reply and I am honestly wiped out right now, want to give you my best effort. Can u give me a bump? I'd really appreciate it. :heart:

[LMSM]

Its no rush hon, so all good ;) _ appreciate it so so so much, you’re a busy momma too!!!:HH:

[atomic sagebrush]

agh still ran out of time, I'm sorry!! not ignoring you! just trying to get done a certain list of things on the site by the end of the year. Bump this again for me!!!

[LMSM]

Truly don’t worry hon, it can wait until the new year... ;) if you get to it great, if not, no drama :)

[kittendreams]

LMSM I just love your positive attitude you are a very special Mumma and I hope you get your sweet baby boy.
I think planning ahead is smart and it's what I did when I was pregnant with my sway opposite and it really helped. At the time I thought having a 3rd was a dream and hubby would never agree due to financial and age reasons but I kept planning and working towards it and now it feels so natural to have another baby and I can't wait to ttc.
I think all your sway tactics are great and your previous sway was awesome too- but that precious baby girl just needed to be in this world and have you as her mumma- I truly believe this now after my ds2 xxx
I'm not sure what you eat normally but I know as a boy mum I have always eaten a lot of protein, a lot of veggies and a lot of dairy. I only exercise moderately- like a half hour walk on the weekend.

I would eat in a day:
2x cups tea with milk
1 large bowl of natural muesli with fruit and nuts with milk or natural yogurt for breakfast everyday by 7am
Muesli bar for morning tea
Ham and cheese sandwich, or tuna sushi, salad and yoghurt for lunch
Afternoon snack of raw veges and chips or salty biscuits with cheese
Dinner was always red meat like lamb chops, steak, sausages or mince with a huge helping of green veges and potato and pumpkin.
Snacks after dinner- nuts, chips, dark chocolate ( like old gold run and raisin yum!) salty biscuits, fruit and yoghurt, a chunk of cheese, maybe a sandwich with Vegemite lol!!!

Seriously I ate more than my husband and he's a tradie!
I stayed slim- but 4-5 kgs above my ideal weight.

On the weekend I would always have beer or wine ( red or sparkling were my faves)

Lots of water everyday- like 2-3 litres.

Fruit juice for a treat but usually just tea and water- no sugar.
Just elevit or blackmores prenatals.

Not sure if any of this helps but I just wanted to share my previous lifestyle in case it helps a little bit xx if you want to know anything else please ask I'm so happy to help in any way!
Merry Christmas to your beautiful family xxx

[kittendreams]

Oh and not sure if I've told you this but I am one of three girls ( two older brothers too) and it is a gift I am so very grateful for my sisters xx

Oh and DH says that we got our boys because he always puts his cold drinks between his legs ( lol) while driving haha! I make him use the cup holder now!

[Throwaway_panther]

LMSM, I certainly don't think you're a lunatic! I was 20 weeks pregnant with DD when I joined here and planned my boy sway the whole while! ;) Obviously it ended up being moot for me anyway, but planning helped satisfy my desire to plan/do which I think you seem to share.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you for your patience!

Don't worry about diet or exercise now. There will be time enough when the baby arrives for all that.

I got a baby boy at 37 and 39. Don't worry about aging, if it does have an effect it is very, very minor.

You can just continue with your regular vitamin - don't worry the pregnancy DHA is safe when nursing as well, in my experience (especially if you were taking it during pregnancy already - are you?). The people who I worry about with the blood thinners are those who are taking 1000's of mg of fish oil, EPO, then adding garlic and bromelian on top of it all. The pregnancy/nursing DHA supps are ok when nursing.

Diet looks great, if you can't afford the grass fed beef that's ok I never ate it when I got my boys. If you can, great, but I don't want you to eat less meat than you want due to the expense, that's all.

I don't think anyone needs to take supplemental potassium but if you want to, just be sure you stick with no more than 99 mg

RRLT at your discretion, I am not sure I trust RRLT for pink OR blue as it is right now but if you believe in it, totally up to you

Hubs supps - yes if he's willing to take the vitamins now I'd have him on them. Doesn't hurt anything, may help.

Yes I believe that some minor weight loss and musclebuilding exercise for DH will only help. My husband was at his heaviest when we got our girl and had always been pretty fit prior to that. No jogging or biking or "weightlifting" supplements (aka creatine, steroids, etc) as these things may sway pink. I would not push this too far in advance of TTC as he may get burned out on it - 6 months max

Breastfeeding really does lower libido! If you find out the way around that let us all know LOL! That is a mystery for the ages. :)

I do still hope and pray we can get you that little man eventually but do know that three girls is an amazing, special, beautiful family!! :heart:

[Bluedust]

Hi LMSM,

I am actually glad to read you post :) I'm also planning for end of 2019 blue sway and thought I was going crazy about thinking to make some changes from now so it's encouraging to see others in the same time frame here too.

Good luck with everything xx

[LMSM]

Sorry for MIA ladies, haven’t really been on the site over the last few weeks, and somehow didn’t get notifications so only got to catch up now – happy new year and thanks for your responses!!

Kittendreams – thanks for sharing lovely, am sure three sisters is a great thing definitely – hopefully my eldest 2 will be just as keen once she is born as they are now – they cannot wait, it’s uber uber cute :awe:
Your diet sounds indeed very blue friendly (I need to drop the fast sugar intake for blue and you may need to have more for pink?) :D you know you can come anytime with questions on pink friendly things – are you now in TTC mode or not quite yet? Haha, looks like I need to keep hubs’ groin cool, eh? :P
PS: You know I have prepared a parcel for a dear friend of mine o/s, as she is going through IVF and has struggled to conceive for almost 8 years now – that parcel includes a rose quartz bracelet just like the one you sent me – as yours brought me luck, am hoping one for my friend (will wrap in it a Gumnut babies pouch I made ^^) will do the same! (I got one with a tree of life on it ^^).

TP – thanks, appreciate it :D certainly am a planner, hate not to know in advance/plan for everything – my life is ruled by check-lists/to-do lists lol I have all my FX your IVF cycle gets a positive result with a healthy little man at the end of it – when are you due to have the transfer and so forth?

Bluedust – thanks hon – I know lots of swayers that plan long in advance, until they hit true “sway mode” ;) I think I considered myself possibly a tad crazy as am pregnant with DD3 still and yet planning already lol
FX for you too that your sway is successful!!

Atomic – thank you soooo much, truly appreciate it!!
Great – sounds like, for now, I don’t have to go too drastic/loco with it all – and definitely just want to focus on enjoying my growing family first and foremost :D the only thing that sprung to my mind in the interim was – after birth, I usually lose weight quite quickly/easily (with DD1 I put on a good 18kg and lost them all and more within a few months (not intentionally though, was eating like mad lol) – with DD2 lost ¾ of the 15+kgs I had gained in a few weeks but hung on to the last 2-3 kgs, which I kept on for my sway etc)… am I better off trying not to lose the weight too much, too fast or just let my body do its’ thing and then aim at gaining a tad of weight (muscle) via appropriate diet and exercise afterwards??
I may try to get DH on a multi after bub comes, as he likely will be more tired anyways, so giving him a boost that way couldn’t hurt and he won’t question it haha ^^
RRLT – yep, wasn’t too sure about that either – may just stay away for be safe ^^
Meat – will check out that butcher I was talking about – will maybe try to integrate more of that organic grass fed meat once we are post weaning/ pre TTC mode as you’re right, it may not be sustainable cost wise on a longer period ;)
Libido whilst BFing – yep, I think I’d be rich if I found a safe way to sort that one out LOL
Exercise wise – none of us are runners/cyclists nor do we take any supplements (only thing hubs used to take was whey and glucose I think – but that was way back before we had DD1 – I may have to find him something natural to help with muscle building/recovery..). When Dh used to go to the gym, he used to do mainly weights so we will aim for that, both of us – once we are more in a routine with 3 kids – and can maybe find some time for exercise. I will build it into my days gradually, and go harder once I wean DD3 (and then push DH then too – he will thrive on his wife getting fitter so will push himself to do the same :P) so we can have a good 6 months of more full on exercise prior to (potential) TTC.
I never took extra potassium, only got mine from diet (so not too sure of the amounts tbh :P) so will not try to get extra bar what may be in a breastfeeding/prenatal multi ;)
I guess we will just aim to be healthy, fit and muscular, as much as possible – with a healthy protein and veg rich diet…sounds like a very easy thing to sell to hubs, who is complaining of his belly (though now, mine definitely is bigger than his haha).
You’re right, 3 little girls will be a delight too – come what may – if a little boy joins us later, icing on the cake only, really ;)
No doubt will you guys hear more from me in due course - :P

[LMSM]

Haha - now DD1 has claimed that after 'this baby sister, I need to have 2 baby boys' - hubby looked at me like "no way" but the idea doesn't bother me too much, in fact I like the idea of another boy with the chance of a brother, so as to not be left out from the girls' trio :pray::fingers:
Now to see what life brings in a few years! ^^

[Mommy2apples]

Lmsm! I pray you get your chance to have a baby boy! Your daughter is cute!!


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[LMSM]

Thanks hon!! I don’t think I’d be that lucky, but we shall see...now to first have and enjoy baby girl #3 ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

I feel like everything is well on track here! Please let me know if you have any more questions!

[LMSM]

Thanks Atomic :HH::hug2: