Newbie, TTC a girl while on Clomid

[Star4012]

Hi, my name is Emily. I am 28, my husband is 36 and we have been TTC for a year and a half. I have an 8 year old son with my ex husband and a 2 year old son with my current husband. We started off our journey using the shettles method with no success. I had blood work done, an endometrial biopsy, and my husband had a semen analysis done. All which came back normal. My doc just put me on Clomid 50mg this cycle and instructed me to take it on days 5-9. I'm currently on CD11. My question is, now that I've read that timing has nothing to do with swaying at least when on Clomid, When should I attempt? For Shettles, we were doing a 2-3 day cut off before a pos OPK. I read on another thread that someone had success having sex on day of pos opk, the next day morning and night, and then the following day morning and night. Is this true? I am not following any diet right now. Please help, as I am getting close to my fertile window. thank you!!!

Emily

[Star4012]

I forgot to mention .. We BD yesterday, and my original plan was to have cut off until pos OPK and do our attempt. Is that the best way possible to do this? I also have no history of PCOS or cysts... I believe my doc thinks that I'm ovulating as indicated on with my BBT chart, but that my quality of eggs aren't good. This will be our last baby, and after having two boys I would feel complete getting a girl. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome, Star!!

Shettles is NOT great odds of conception. it is no wonder you didn't get pregnant cutting off 3 days before positive OPK - that could be as much as 5 days prior to ovulation!!

Timing doesn't even work - most of us on here myself included have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites (I have 4!) It just doesn't do anything other than making it really hard to get pregnant.

But the good news is that you got Clomid! Clomid is among the best sway tactics!

Now, since you're on your first month of Clomid you can decide, do you want to give it a try with one attempt at positive OPK this month?? That is what I'd have you do because I suspect the only reason you're not already pregnant is because your cutoffs were so long. So I'd get some OPK and start testing with them on the 5th day after your last dose. Testing any sooner than that and you may end up getting a false positive on the OPK (which Clomid can cause for up to 3 days later)

I would probably have an attempt that same day. It's really very unlikely that you'll O any sooner than that 5th day and it's usually later, so have an attempt (even if the OPK is negative) that 5th day and start taking OPK the same day. Keep testing with OPK. It is likely that you'll get a true positive later on. If it's been 4 or more days since your previous attempt, attempt again. If 2 or less days, stick with the one you've had. If it's 3 days, then either just follow your heart or flip a coin and do what the coin says to do.

DO NOT under any circumstances BD 3-5 times at positive OPK. We do that for boys and for people who have been on Clomid for more than just one month.

Another thing you could do instead if the method I suggested doesn't appeal, is to simply have unprotected sex every 4 days from here on in. But honestly, since I believe 110% that this is not really a fertility thing and is a too long of a cutoff thing, why not give it a month with one attempt just to see if you can conceive with it??

[Star4012]

thank you so much for you input. I really value your information and will give the first option you said a try! And you're probably very accurate in saying about the failed attempts with Shettles. I was really hoping to get prescribed Clomid and luckily, that's exactly what my doc recommended. <3 Do you count the 5th day from the last dose starting with day one the next day from the last dose? For example-- My last dose was on Saturday (12/9/2017)... would that make my 5th day this Thursday (12/14/2017) then? We BD yesterday morning... so have an attempt on Thursday, and then again when I get a pos opk (unless it's 2 or less days from the last attempt on thursday? Then that's it, correct. Just want to make sure I have this right :)

Before clomid, I was ovulating as early as CD9.

[Star4012]

I will keep in touch as things progress too! Thanks!!

[Kleigh8286]

Star4012! I’m on your clomid chat on babycenter lol. I totally wanted to recommend coming here, but wasn’t sure if you were going to sway :) We’ll get our girls [emoji3]


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[Star4012]

Hey girl!! What a small world!! Was it you who asked me if I was going to sway this round on Babycenter? It got me thinking and I became desperate today to find out what I needed to do to make this happen.. I googled and it directed me back to here!! :) So glad you found me on here too!

[Kleigh8286]

Yes that was me! So funny! This site is the best :)


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[Star4012]

It sure is!! Everyone here is so helpful! Are you swaying girl this round too? Just follow Atomics directions she gave me (if so). :)

[Kleigh8286]

Yup! I’ve been gearing up for this attempt for the last couple of months :)


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[Star4012]

Yup! I’ve been gearing up for this attempt for the last couple of months :)


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkEeeekkk so exciting!!!

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[Star4012]

Hi and welcome, Star!!

Shettles is NOT great odds of conception. it is no wonder you didn't get pregnant cutting off 3 days before positive OPK - that could be as much as 5 days prior to ovulation!!

Timing doesn't even work - most of us on here myself included have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites (I have 4!) It just doesn't do anything other than making it really hard to get pregnant.

But the good news is that you got Clomid! Clomid is among the best sway tactics!

Now, since you're on your first month of Clomid you can decide, do you want to give it a try with one attempt at positive OPK this month?? That is what I'd have you do because I suspect the only reason you're not already pregnant is because your cutoffs were so long. So I'd get some OPK and start testing with them on the 5th day after your last dose. Testing any sooner than that and you may end up getting a false positive on the OPK (which Clomid can cause for up to 3 days later)

I would probably have an attempt that same day. It's really very unlikely that you'll O any sooner than that 5th day and it's usually later, so have an attempt (even if the OPK is negative) that 5th day and start taking OPK the same day. Keep testing with OPK. It is likely that you'll get a true positive later on. If it's been 4 or more days since your previous attempt, attempt again. If 2 or less days, stick with the one you've had. If it's 3 days, then either just follow your heart or flip a coin and do what the coin says to do.

DO NOT under any circumstances BD 3-5 times at positive OPK. We do that for boys and for people who have been on Clomid for more than just one month.

Another thing you could do instead if the method I suggested doesn't appeal, is to simply have unprotected sex every 4 days from here on in. But honestly, since I believe 110% that this is not really a fertility thing and is a too long of a cutoff thing, why not give it a month with one attempt just to see if you can conceive with it??

thank you so much for you input. I really value your information and will give the first option you said a try! And you're probably very accurate in saying about the failed attempts with Shettles. I was really hoping to get prescribed Clomid and luckily, that's exactly what my doc recommended. <3 Do you count the 5th day from the last dose starting with day one the next day from the last dose? For example-- My last dose was on Saturday (12/9/2017)... would that make my 5th day this Thursday (12/14/2017) then? We BD yesterday morning... so have an attempt on Thursday, and then again when I get a pos opk (unless it's 2 or less days from the last attempt on thursday? Then that's it, correct. Just want to make sure I have this right

Before clomid, I was ovulating as early as CD9.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes honestly although I feel badly that you went on so long not conceiving :heart: I am glad it's ended up with the Clomid.

Since you tend to be an early ovulator let's test and BD on Wednesday instead. The Clomid ~should~ be out of your system by the 4th day and I just feel better about it. We have had the occasional person who Oed the 5th day and this way if you do O on the sooner rather than the later side you won't miss the month.

And then start doing the OPK that same day. Will ~probably~ be negative, but may be positive. It may be a true positive OPK or leftovers from the Clomid, but either way your Wednesday attempt will cover you. Then keep doing the OPK strips and if you get a positive within 2 days, stick with the attempt on Wednesday. If 4 or more, have another attempt, if 3 follow your gut or flip a coin. :)

[Star4012]

Great. Thank you so much. And honestly, we kept going back and forth about trying in 2016 vs 2017 bc our youngest boy is a spitfire LOL... So when it didn't happen right away we were somewhat ok with it.. and so to speaking had we had a newborn last summer with our 2 year old, it would have been hard to manage. BUT I want a little girl so bad, that rather than just jumping into trying to get whatever we get, I'm willing to wait to know that I did what I could to try for a girl.

Thanks for clairfiying what I needed above. I was unsure about the day I ovulated prior to Clomid, and now that I'm on Clomid--- which is AWESOME that it sways pink. My doc already told me his plan if I don't conceive this month-- we do 50mg for 3 months, and then will move to a higher dose.

[Star4012]

Great. Thank you so much. And honestly, we kept going back and forth about trying in 2016 vs 2017 bc our youngest boy is a spitfire LOL... So when it didn't happen right away we were somewhat ok with it.. and so to speaking had we had a newborn last summer with our 2 year old, it would have been hard to manage. BUT I want a little girl so bad, that rather than just jumping into trying to get whatever we get, I'm willing to wait to know that I did what I could to try for a girl.

Thanks for clairfiying what I needed above. I was unsure about the day I ovulated prior to Clomid, and now that I'm on Clomid--- which is AWESOME that it sways pink. My doc already told me his plan if I don't conceive this month-- we do 50mg for 3 months, and then will move to a higher dose.

[Star4012]

Yup! I’ve been gearing up for this attempt for the last couple of months :)


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Hey girl, How are you feeling after Clomid? Do you know where on this forum I can find success stories similar to mine? Swaying girl with Clomid? I enjoy reading through them <3

[atomic sagebrush]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/

lots of sways in here

[Kleigh8286]

Hey girl, How are you feeling after Clomid? Do you know where on this forum I can find success stories similar to mine? Swaying girl with Clomid? I enjoy reading through them <3

I’m actually feeling pretty good so far! Tomorrow is my last pill yay! The link atomic recommended is what I like to look through! Lots of good info [emoji3]


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[Star4012]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/

lots of sways in hereThanks! :)

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[Star4012]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/

lots of sways in here

So sorry for all the questions... I ever so badly want to get this right since I believe that our chances this cycle are so high due to the first round of Clomid. I'm going to do OPK's today-- I took one yesterday and the day before just out of curiosity.. results: both just hollowed out smileys (clearblue advanced opks) so Negative result... not even flashing smileys to indicate an LH surge. Does that mean that the Clomid wouldn't be affecting my results now? I took my last dose on Saturday (CD9) and I'm currently on CD13. Planning on taking your advice, Atomic, on BD tonight as long as OPKs are not solid smiley... I'm also noticing that I'm drying up some... Usually when we are BD my husband will use his spit (umm... is this ok?) to start... or is it preferred for girl sway to use Sylk or Mucinex?

I also don't exercise.. I run a daycare with six kids all under the age of 4 daily... even though I'm not exercising per say, I'm always on my feet. I'm not taking prenatals bc I had heard they sway blue.. but I'm taking Folic Acid. Is the Clomid just enough for my sway? Planning on taking Bromelain 500mg from 1dpo to 5dpo to help with implantation. Anything I'm missing? I'm drilling myself to make sure I am well enough aware of what I need to do. :) Thanks in advance!! I really appreciate all your suggestions.

[Star4012]

So I just took my OPK, and got this... what do you think? It's cd13 for me... 4 days after taking Clomid... I usually ovulate early (as early as cd9) but I know Clomid can push it back some. So do I dismiss this or BD tonight?! We have abstained since Sunday morning. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171213/417fedf7503c869e703ba053ed60965b.jpg

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[Star4012]

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[Star4012]

Last one. Sorry for blowing up the feed... want to give all the info I have. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171213/76d64debc373c8dcb49e97eadbd2ca44.jpg

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[atomic sagebrush]

BD tonight to cover yourself for the next couple days and keep testing.

If you get another positive within 2 days stick with the attempt you have already had, if you get a positive 4 or more days out from this attempt have another attempt. If you're in the "no man's land" of 3 days, follow your gut instinct remembering that more attempts may be better for conception but may be more blue friendly, fewer attempts may be more pink friendly but lower odds of conception (do whatever appeals to you more) if you can't decide, flip a coin!

[Star4012]

BD tonight to cover yourself for the next couple days and keep testing.

If you get another positive within 2 days stick with the attempt you have already had, if you get a positive 4 or more days out from this attempt have another attempt. If you're in the "no man's land" of 3 days, follow your gut instinct remembering that more attempts may be better for conception but may be more blue friendly, fewer attempts may be more pink friendly but lower odds of conception (do whatever appeals to you more) if you can't decide, flip a coin!

Thanks Atomic! I'm so excited that this could be it!! Do you think since I had 2 neg opks the past two days that clomid could still give me a false positive? just curious on your thoughts. Does my hubby need to stay shallow still like shettles recommends? Also, do most ppl on here wait about 15 mins before dumping? I usually don't do jump and dump-- I can go all night if it helps my attempt.

[atomic sagebrush]

Probably not but you can still get a false positive from your body "thinking about" ovulating and then gearing up to O and not doing it. So you surge and then your body is like "yeah not yet maybe" and then the egg doesn't drop.

No shallow release. I feel like it's never been proven to sway (and in fact a lot of our data about pH and stuff has shown that all the Shettles stuff is nonsense) and worse than that, it's really preventing conception for people.

Most of us start off at 5 min. and then dump but it's up to you. Personally I got my girl staying down all night, but technically that is supposed to sway blue.

[Star4012]

Probably not but you can still get a false positive from your body "thinking about" ovulating and then gearing up to O and not doing it. So you surge and then your body is like "yeah not yet maybe" and then the egg doesn't drop.

No shallow release. I feel like it's never been proven to sway (and in fact a lot of our data about pH and stuff has shown that all the Shettles stuff is nonsense) and worse than that, it's really preventing conception for people.

Most of us start off at 5 min. and then dump but it's up to you. Personally I got my girl staying down all night, but technically that is supposed to sway blue.We BD last night, I avoided O, and laid in bed all night without J and D. I was very crampy all night and didn't sleep well. Was actually a little bit uncomfortable BDing with O pain.... this morning O pain has vanished, but I don't see a temp spike yet on my chart.

I started Bromelain 500mg this morning. 1 pill a day until 5dpo to help with implantation if everything was timed right. Fingers crossed!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171214/df039b24aacda79624d7a31add3348a7.jpg

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[atomic sagebrush]

I don't love the bromelain (your body knows how to implant babies or the entire human race would have died out before pineapples were ever discovered) but follow your gut!

[Star4012]

Yeah, It was something I just found out about the other day... I just read some articles online about it... Any idea if Clomid affects your lining enough that something like Bromelain will help?

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't think bromelain ever helps (with the exception of those who have blood clotting disorders for whom there are better options anyway) and by that point your lining would be grown anyway. It's fine if you want to try it, just don't take it any longer than 5 days.

[Star4012]

I don't think bromelain ever helps (with the exception of those who have blood clotting disorders for whom there are better options anyway) and by that point your lining would be grown anyway. It's fine if you want to try it, just don't take it any longer than 5 days.Okay, we will see what happens this cycle. Yesterday I was unable to use my Clearblue reader due to once you get the solid smiley, it displays it constantly for 48 hours... so today I went and bought another one after work. I just took it and it's a hollowed smiley (neg result). I've never continued to test beyond my positive result for any of my past ttc cycles. Is this what I should see after O has occurred? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/e9c0e87b6c593a562e1a8de5a6977392.jpg

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[Star4012]

That should say I wasn't able to test before I went to bed with the Clear blue OPK-- I used it earlier in the day when it detected my peak reading (solid smiley)

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[Star4012]

So the weirdest thing just happened.... I'm continuing to test with my clearblue opks... after my solid smiley (positive) 2 days ago, and the hollow smiley (negative) yesterday... my OPK this morning was hollow smiley (negative) BUT right before bed I tested and it was flashing smiley (LH dectected) ... whhaaatt is going on?! I'm going to ask while at my ultrasound tomorrow if I could be O'ing again. Anyone heard of this happening?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh shoot I opened this to reply and must have closed without hitting send!

Yes all that is one of the annoying-er elements of the Clearblues and why I am not the biggest fan of them.

As you already know you can't keep testing for 48 hours after it thinks it detects ovulation so if you have a false surge then you can end up thinking you've ovulated when it hasn't even happened yet.

BUT, you also can't just get a new tester either because it detects changes in your hormones. So it "thinks" it's starting off with you early in the month and even if you're totally surging right that minute, it will register negative. Starting a Clearblue with the sticks and the reader in the middle of the month doesn't work, unfortunately (and they should really have copious warnings about that on the box or in the directions but they don't. :/)

And since you have kept testing, it's picking something up, a rise in hormones from where you were. But remember it thought you were at negative (and you may have been surging OR at high fertility really) and has now detected an increase in hormones, you may be surging now. I would have another attempt to cover and then see what happens. Since you have the test already keep testing. If you get a positive within 2 days of having attempt, stick with this attempt, if 4 or more days have another attempt, if 3 either follow your gut or flip a coin (I think we already talked about all this! :))

[Star4012]

Oh shoot I opened this to reply and must have closed without hitting send!

Yes all that is one of the annoying-er elements of the Clearblues and why I am not the biggest fan of them.

As you already know you can't keep testing for 48 hours after it thinks it detects ovulation so if you have a false surge then you can end up thinking you've ovulated when it hasn't even happened yet.

BUT, you also can't just get a new tester either because it detects changes in your hormones. So it "thinks" it's starting off with you early in the month and even if you're totally surging right that minute, it will register negative. Starting a Clearblue with the sticks and the reader in the middle of the month doesn't work, unfortunately (and they should really have copious warnings about that on the box or in the directions but they don't. :/)

And since you have kept testing, it's picking something up, a rise in hormones from where you were. But remember it thought you were at negative (and you may have been surging OR at high fertility really) and has now detected an increase in hormones, you may be surging now. I would have another attempt to cover and then see what happens. Since you have the test already keep testing. If you get a positive within 2 days of having attempt, stick with this attempt, if 4 or more days have another attempt, if 3 either follow your gut or flip a coin (I think we already talked about all this! :))Thanks for explaining it all to me! Our last attempt was Wednesday... so we should attempt tonight?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Whatever you did was the right thing to do - having attempt last night was great, if you didn't have one today or tonight. :)

[Star4012]

Whatever you did was the right thing to do - having attempt last night was great, if you didn't have one today or tonight. :)We attempted this morning. <3 hopefully we caught the egg. Here is my chart... I am also a POAS addict and if by chance I get a + Pregnancy test, I want to see a transition... so I've taken a few. The last test and 3rd test up from the bottom are FMU, and my hubby and I swear we see 3 lines.... so not sure what it means bc according to my chart it would be waaayyy to early to get a positive. Could it be chemical pregnancy? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171217/dabb1cfd274f48fe4bdc669cef50c39c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171217/f177865c4b24b191b90c5e9591703fc6.jpg

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[Star4012]

Ah that should day 2 lines haha I'm on my phone so mistakes aren't as easy to edit

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[ksmom]

Those look like evap lines to me. Those cheapie ones are prone to it. How long after taking them did they appear? Your chart looks pretty accurate for when you O'ed so WAY too early for a positive test. A chemical pregnancy still wouldn't give you a positive until at the very least 8 dpo or so. Implantation has to happen before you can get a BFP.

[Star4012]

Those look like evap lines to me. Those cheapie ones are prone to it. How long after taking them did they appear? Your chart looks pretty accurate for when you O'ed so WAY too early for a positive test. A chemical pregnancy still wouldn't give you a positive until at the very least 8 dpo or so. Implantation has to happen before you can get a BFP.I usually wait about 5 mins to really read them clearly and that's where I saw the lines. I know it's super super early so really not holding my breath on them. I really only notice the lines on the last one and 3rd one up from the bottom.... they were with FMU and all the others were taken at night, with neg results... all from the same batch. I've picked up some FRER to test with. Thanks for your response :)

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[ksmom]

If you really are only 3dpo (which I highly suspect you are), then there's just no way those are true positives. I've actually had problems with those cheapie ones giving bad evaps.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're really 3 DPO there's no way those are positives! I don't recommend ever testing before 7 DPO at the earliest and I prefer more like 10-12. Now, some people can have conceived sooner than they thought but given your chart I doubt you did, the chart seems pretty accurate.

I love your nails aa those are so pretty!

[Star4012]

If you're really 3 DPO there's no way those are positives! I don't recommend ever testing before 7 DPO at the earliest and I prefer more like 10-12. Now, some people can have conceived sooner than they thought but given your chart I doubt you did, the chart seems pretty accurate.

I love your nails aa those are so pretty!Thanks girls! I posted it on a tweaking page in Babycenter and apparently there is a wonky batch of wondfos out right now. I was given the lot # and unfortunately I have the wonky lot... ladies were having their husbands test and it was coming up as positive lol [emoji23]

I only tested to be able to see progression (If I happen to conceive) and never would have thought I'd see something... especially with how early I am in days past ovulation... so when I saw it I was like oh [emoji599] red flag... so my first through was did I O earlier than I thought? Bc during my normal cycles without Clomid I would O on CD9.... anyways, now that I know I have the wonky batch, It all makes sense now. I appreciate all responses from you girls [emoji175] I so desperately want a little girl.. I'm praying it happens this month! I'm so glad I chart so that I can confirm O with my temps.

And thanks!! I got some "me time" this weekend and it's only day I have to pamper myself every few weeks. We all deserve a little me time [emoji6]

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[atomic sagebrush]

What is this me time of which you speak LOL? :)

Thanks for letting us know about the bad Wondfos! I can't keep up on all this stuff so really appreciate you guys letting me know.

[Star4012]

What is this me time of which you speak LOL? :)

Thanks for letting us know about the bad Wondfos! I can't keep up on all this stuff so really appreciate you guys letting me know.Haha I know, right?! Usually it's going to a doc appt alone... woohoo!

Here is the info on the batch:

Bad lot # for wondfo: W00170116-3

And you're welcome. Spread the word for anyone else... I know it's not so heartbreaking for me, but it could be for someone else who is at the end of their cycle testing with them.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks so much!! Really appreciate it!

[Star4012]

AF is due today and I believe she's starting... took a HPT and its negative... Onto the second round of Clomid. My doc gave me the same dosage 50mg. and said I can take it days 3-7 or 5-9 again it's up to me. I've read better results with taking it 3-7 so I think I'm going to take it days 3-7. I've been thinking the past few days about what I wanted to do for my second round of Clomid and ttc our little girl. Rather than posting several comments, I've complied them into one to make it a little easier. I was looking into odds of conceiving twin girls, and if that happens, I'll be thrilled, but even if I just get 1 girl, I'd be happy. :)

Question #1: For my second round of clomid, Should I do the E4D attempt and then an additional attempt on positive OPK? or just E4D?
Question #2: Every 4 days-- does that mean dtd on say CD6, then again on CD10 CD14, etc? or does it need to be 4 entire cut off days then BD (CD6, CD11, CD15, for the example mentioned) Just needed some clarification for that.
Question #3: I've seen some forums with women using pregnitude along with clomid-- Do you think that'll increase my chances and sway for girl? If so when would I take it? I can get it as early as tomorrow from amazon-- which may be CD2 for me (if AF arrives today).
Question #4: After reading through success stories I've seen that exercise helps sway girl (hubby and myself). Hubby is in the army and jogs 3x a week, so that's that... I could increase my physical activity more. Also have read that coffee helps sway girl... I currently drink one cup of caffeinated coffee a day... If I take in too much caffeine, I get migraines-- could I drink decaf and it provide a good sway too?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me on my journey to conceive a girl.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I thin CD 3-7 is best results for conception.

1)I'd do e4d this time and then switch to e4d plus one next time.

2)you can do it either Monday/Thurs or Monday/Friday (not those specific days thats just an example). Closer attempts may be better chances of conception but lower odds of pink (still good though) and further attempts may be better odds of pink, lower odds of conception. Since you are on the Clomid I'd have you do the closer attempts so Mon/Thurs pattern

3)I only recommend pregnitude for those with moderate to severe PCOS or more than 30-50 lbs to lose.

4)Yes, exercise is among our best sway tactics. Hubby jogging is great. If you want to exercise it may help.

5)We don't know if decaf sways or not. I assume it does, because I think it's likely the coffee itself and not the caffeine (at least not caffeine alone) but we don't honestly know for sure.

[Star4012]

Yes I thin CD 3-7 is best results for conception.

1)I'd do e4d this time and then switch to e4d plus one next time.

2)you can do it either Monday/Thurs or Monday/Friday (not those specific days thats just an example). Closer attempts may be better chances of conception but lower odds of pink (still good though) and further attempts may be better odds of pink, lower odds of conception. Since you are on the Clomid I'd have you do the closer attempts so Mon/Thurs pattern

3)I only recommend pregnitude for those with moderate to severe PCOS or more than 30-50 lbs to lose.

4)Yes, exercise is among our best sway tactics. Hubby jogging is great. If you want to exercise it may help.

5)We don't know if decaf sways or not. I assume it does, because I think it's likely the coffee itself and not the caffeine (at least not caffeine alone) but we don't honestly know for sure.Hi Atomic!

I had a follow-up appt with my obgyn this morning to discuss the results of my sonogram I had a couple weeks ago. He told me that they found several bead-like cysts on my left ovary and that there were a few follicles just keeping put... He said upon the results of the ultrasound, and my blood work, and a few other things, he really feels that I have PCOS. He gave me another round of Clomid (to take next cycle since I'm on cd8 and just took my second round days 3-7) and prescribed metformin to start taking immediately. Do you have experience with metformin? Does it sway? My doc said when Clomid and metformin are used together, the chances are higher for pregnancy. Do you think I should start metformin now on cd8? Or wait until next cycle? I just don't want it to screw up my cycle or sway.

My other question is, I'm praying for twins, is metformin going to reduce that chance?

Thanks in advance!! :)

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[emshe]

I’m pretty sure metformin sways pink as it lowers blood sugars, do clomid & metformin is a strong pink sway from memory. Wishing you loads of luck!


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[Star4012]

I’m pretty sure metformin sways pink as it lowers blood sugars, do clomid & metformin is a strong pink sway from memory. Wishing you loads of luck!


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[emshe]

Just confirm with atomic, but I am pretty sure. Hoping so!


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[Star4012]

Just confirm with atomic, but I am pretty sure. Hoping so!


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Thank you so much! I'm trying to research it all but It got hard from my phone... Switching the the desktop now :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic!

I had a follow-up appt with my obgyn this morning to discuss the results of my sonogram I had a couple weeks ago. He told me that they found several bead-like cysts on my left ovary and that there were a few follicles just keeping put... He said upon the results of the ultrasound, and my blood work, and a few other things, he really feels that I have PCOS. He gave me another round of Clomid (to take next cycle since I'm on cd8 and just took my second round days 3-7) and prescribed metformin to start taking immediately. Do you have experience with metformin? Does it sway? My doc said when Clomid and metformin are used together, the chances are higher for pregnancy. Do you think I should start metformin now on cd8? Or wait until next cycle? I just don't want it to screw up my cycle or sway.

My other question is, I'm praying for twins, is metformin going to reduce that chance?

Thanks in advance!! :)

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Yes go ahead and start it now, it sways pink we believe.

We don't know if Met reduces chances for twins or not. Just don't have that information. I do kknow Clomid increases it so it's all good there. FX!

[Star4012]

Good Morning Atomic!

I wanted to provide an update on my journey... my second round of Clomid when wonky with my cycles... not sure what happened but when I saw the doc on Jan 4th for my 2nd round appt, he told me that he believes that I have PCOS based on what he saw from my ultrasound during round 1. He told me to start taking metformin right away... I asked him whether or not I could take pregnitude and he said that it wouldn't hurt if I did, so I went ahead and ordered some and started taking it. In addition to Clomid 50mg days 3-7, I'm taking metformin every night with my dinner, pregnitude morning and night, and then adding in folic acid for extra consumption of it. We DTD E4D (72 hour version last cycle) and I ended up getting AF on CD18. Never had a positive OPK. I'm using Clearblue Advanced amileys which show a hollow, flashing smiley for LH detected, and a solid smiley for your peak day. I had flashing smileys for 8.5 days before I stopped testing and AF arrived the next day. I was also using the cheap wondfo ovulation test strips to double check what the clearblue was reading and I didn't have a positive on those either. My temps were very high throughout my cycle... I first thought Clomid was the cause bc during my first round, it elevated it some, but it came back down before O time. This time, my pre-O temps were at the point of where my post-O temps usually are (high 98 degrees and above). It only came down when I started AF. I feel like this cycle (my second round) was a waste! I called my Doc first thing on Monday morning and he is not in until Friday morning... I spoke directly with his RN and explained the situation and that I wanted to see if he would increase my dosage to 100mg since I didn't O this past round. She told me that normally he won't allow someone to increase their 50mg dose to 100 until they've had 3 cycles with the 50mg. Since I was on my second she said to just stick with the 50mg for this third round unless I get a call from the doc sooner than the day I'm supposed to start it. I didn't hear anything back from him, so I went ahead and started my third round of 50mg... I'm still doing all the same things I did for round #2. I've attached my Fertility Friend chart for my wonky cycle. Please help direct me on what I should do. I'm currently on CD4.

What I'm doing:
Clomid 50mg days 3-7
Metfromin 500mg once daily
Pregnitude Morning and Night
Folic Acid
Coffee 3x a day (1 caffeinated, 2 decaf)
Skipping Breakfast
DTD E4D (72 hour)
No Orgasm

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[atomic sagebrush]

Well, I'd rather you took only the metformin. When did the short cycle occur in correlation to when you started the Pregnitude?? I think met and Pregnitude together are too much of a good thing.

Are they sure you didn't ovulate? I agree your chart looks anovulatory but sometimes temping on Clomid is unreliable.

Are they sure this is a true bleed and not some midcycle bleeding?

I think you need to stick with the 50 and ditch the Pregnitude and see what happens.

[Star4012]

Well, I'd rather you took only the metformin. When did the short cycle occur in correlation to when you started the Pregnitude?? I think met and Pregnitude together are too much of a good thing.

Are they sure you didn't ovulate? I agree your chart looks anovulatory but sometimes temping on Clomid is unreliable.

Are they sure this is a true bleed and not some midcycle bleeding?

I think you need to stick with the 50 and ditch the Pregnitude and see what happens.Ok, I'll do that. My doc talked about uping my metformin dose gradually and that's when I mentioned about using the pregnitude instead. But for now, I'll stop the pregnitude before I get too far taking it.

I started Pregnitude the same day I started metformin-- Jan 4th. My cycle for that month started Dec 28th and went till Jan 13th, got AF on Jan 14th. At first I thought it was just mid cycle spotting, bc I had read online that metformin can do that, but as the day went on the flow got heavier... then on Monday and Tuesday I was changing tampons quite frequently, so I was sure it was AF. Actually, this was even much heavier than my previous AF (Dec 28th cycle)

As far as Ovulation, I only temp and do OPKs. Usually I have almost 2 days worth of cramping/O pain and i didn't have that during the wonky cycle. My next ultrasound isn't until Jan 27th and that's just to check the cyst they found on my left ovary.

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[Star4012]

Here are my past cycles.

1st pic was my first round of Clomid 50mg days 5-9

2nd pic was my second round of Clomid 50mg days 3-7

3rd pic is my current (third round) cycle Clomid 50mg days 3-7 https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180117/e1dd3f9a5329c24fc7ff2df5b91feec7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180117/e5ff355cf74b67b125da64f286c45ac0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180117/64cb8b1146e94a6faf9abec1fbaa67a2.jpg

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[Filzma]

Star, I hope this new cycle is your one. [emoji120][emoji177]

[Star4012]

Star, I hope this new cycle is your one. [emoji120][emoji177]

Thank you sooo much Filzma! You girls have been such a great support system to me. Idk what I'd do without all of you! xoxo

[atomic sagebrush]

Yeah I think you're right, anovulatory cycle with bleeding (not technically AF, but still acts as hormonal reset.)

Let's do exactly what we discussed, ditch Pregnitude, keep everything else. Most docs really have a limited experience thus far with Pregnitude (I am only just now starting to feel like I "know" Pregnitude LOL) and so I tend to trust my instincts on this vs. the doc. At the least it's something we can change up.

[Star4012]

Yeah I think you're right, anovulatory cycle with bleeding (not technically AF, but still acts as hormonal reset.)

Let's do exactly what we discussed, ditch Pregnitude, keep everything else. Most docs really have a limited experience thus far with Pregnitude (I am only just now starting to feel like I "know" Pregnitude LOL) and so I tend to trust my instincts on this vs. the doc. At the least it's something we can change up.Thank you, Atomic. I agree. My doc is just an obgyn... not a RE... so I believe we are just experimenting on what they can do... he's not monitoring me on many things that I see other women being monitored with.

I'm on CD5 now, and have taken 2 doses of Clomid 50mg CD3 and CD4 for my 3rd round cd3-7.... My doc told me to just continue taking it as directed even though I had that anovulatory cycle that was literally cut in half of my normal cycle length... would the Clomid that I took for my anovulatory cycle cd3-7 still be built up in my system while adding in more to this cycle? What I mean is am I giving my body an overload of Clomid too fast since I only had 19 days in between rounds? I'm probably looking into it too much but these are the things that cross my mind. Ha!

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[atomic sagebrush]

No it's gone by now, you're fine to take it again. Clomid doesn't build up the way you're really thinking of it. :)

[Star4012]

No it's gone by now, you're fine to take it again. Clomid doesn't build up the way you're really thinking of it. :)

Hi Atomic! It's looking like I'm having another anovulatory cycle again this month. I had a followup ultrasound to check up on the cyst they had found during my first cycle back in December.... all of that came out well-- when they first found the cyst it was 3cm and my doc said with the followup ultrasound it looks like it's resolved itself. I stopped taking the metformin about 10 days ago but I didn't mention it to him. He also upped my dosage to 100mg of Clomid and said that days 5-9 Are most successful... what do you think?

The first round on 50mg i Ovulated taking it days 5-9.... the 2nd and 3rd round I took it days 3-7 And had anovulatory cycles. I thought that the only changes I had made between the first round and second round was adding in the metformin and when I switched the days from 5-9 to 3-7. I'll attach my link for fertility friend just to get your opinion on what I should do.

Lastly, he told me that if I don't get pregnant with 3 more cycles of Clomid 100mg, that he'll then refer me to a reproductive endocrinologist... only thing is that my insurance doesn't cover IUI or IVF just prescriptions only. Should I have asked my doc to do more tests on me? I've never had the progesterone test given. I'm on CD20 and had a temp drop over the past couple days--- feeling like AF is coming. Do you think I should order some over the counter Progesterone cream? Can it hurt me ttc or my sway if I take it and don't need it? I don't know much about it, but figured you might know the best thing to do. Just looking for your roundabout opinion... I don't know where else to turn :(

Other things I'm doing to sway girl:
3 cups of coffee daily (1 caffeinated, 2 decaf)
1600mg of folic acid daily
Skipping breakfast
DTD E4D (72 hour version)

Thank you!

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[Star4012]

Af is def on her way. Brown spotting has started and I'm very crampy. :( so this will be a 20 day cycle and my last one was a 17 day cycle. Idk what's going on.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Can you tell me more about your diet? ARe you taking fiber? If so, stop taking it.

No OTC progesterone cream. It's not made to sustain a pregnancy, it's made for postmenopausal women and has about 1/10th of the amount of progesterone your body needs to sustain pregnancy. Plus, even prescription strength progesterone cream has been shown to be nothing more than a placebo anyway - the rates of pregnancy are no higher with and without it.

if you haven't ovulated, the issue would not be progesterone anyway. Progesterone rises after ovulation occurs and so prog cream would simply stretch out the cycle while delaying ovulation more. I"m going to look over your charts and see if anythign jumps out at me.

Hey, if it worked on CD 5-9 last time, let's absolutely try that again. That way you'll have time to allow estrogen to rise a bit before hitting it with the Clomid.

[Star4012]

Can you tell me more about your diet? ARe you taking fiber? If so, stop taking it.

No OTC progesterone cream. It's not made to sustain a pregnancy, it's made for postmenopausal women and has about 1/10th of the amount of progesterone your body needs to sustain pregnancy. Plus, even prescription strength progesterone cream has been shown to be nothing more than a placebo anyway - the rates of pregnancy are no higher with and without it.

if you haven't ovulated, the issue would not be progesterone anyway. Progesterone rises after ovulation occurs and so prog cream would simply stretch out the cycle while delaying ovulation more. I"m going to look over your charts and see if anythign jumps out at me.

Hey, if it worked on CD 5-9 last time, let's absolutely try that again. That way you'll have time to allow estrogen to rise a bit before hitting it with the Clomid.I'm not taking any fiber.

I really am not dieting. I weigh about 113 lbs, I'm tall and skinny. I've been only watching the amt of red meats and the only thing I've been doing differently with my diet is skipping breakfast. I've never struggled with my weight with both gaining or losing. I think I take in a lot of carbs since I'm not really watching it too closely.

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[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: Ok. I just have to make sure since I often end up finding out people are eating 500 cals a day. :)

So, let's be sure you're eating a serving of full fat dairy every day and 4-6 eggs a week and then do the Clomid CD 5-9. It may just be you're not having enough time to make estrogen before we block it with the Clomid.

Oh and I forgot to mention this but I did look over your charts and the two recent ones do look anovulatory to me as well.

[Star4012]

:agree: Ok. I just have to make sure since I often end up finding out people are eating 500 cals a day. :)

So, let's be sure you're eating a serving of full fat dairy every day and 4-6 eggs a week and then do the Clomid CD 5-9. It may just be you're not having enough time to make estrogen before we block it with the Clomid.

Oh and I forgot to mention this but I did look over your charts and the two recent ones do look anovulatory to me as well.


Thank you so much for the suggestions! So I know that I don't take in a lot of dairy as it is. What foods do you suggest as a full serving of full fat dairy? I was born lactose intolerant and so for a while I didn't touch it at all. Over my life I've built up a better tolerance of it. When I had my youngest son in June 2015, I had to go dairy free since he had a dairy protein allergy. I stopped nursing him when we started our ttc journey in July 2016. And went back to my normal eating habits. I still cant tolerate yellow cheese-- for instance, I can't stomach taking a slice of cheese out of the fridge and eating it... but eating fresh pizza out of a hot oven is just fine. I know, weird. Haha. But a full serving will be fine if you can give me some suggestions. For eggs, is scrambled suggested or egg whites? I'm not into the yolk but can eat it scrambled... and I love egg whites. Is there recommendations for both dairy and eggs that sway girl? Thanks in advance!

Emily

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[Star4012]

Also, do you think I should start taking metformin again?

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[Star4012]

My temps are already starting to rise only on CD3. [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848] my usual AF temps are in the 97.3-97.9 range.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much for the suggestions! So I know that I don't take in a lot of dairy as it is. What foods do you suggest as a full serving of full fat dairy? I was born lactose intolerant and so for a while I didn't touch it at all. Over my life I've built up a better tolerance of it. When I had my youngest son in June 2015, I had to go dairy free since he had a dairy protein allergy. I stopped nursing him when we started our ttc journey in July 2016. And went back to my normal eating habits. I still cant tolerate yellow cheese-- for instance, I can't stomach taking a slice of cheese out of the fridge and eating it... but eating fresh pizza out of a hot oven is just fine. I know, weird. Haha. But a full serving will be fine if you can give me some suggestions. For eggs, is scrambled suggested or egg whites? I'm not into the yolk but can eat it scrambled... and I love egg whites. Is there recommendations for both dairy and eggs that sway girl? Thanks in advance!

Emily

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Can you do yogurt or even ice cream? (I hesitate at ice cream because I'm lactose intolerant and I can't have ice cream, unfortunately) If you can't, then add in more eggs (like 2 per day) Or butter - that's 100% dairy fat haha and doesn't have much lactose in it at all.

I want you to have the yolk of the egg. That's the part that has the good fat in it. So scrambled is fine!

The dairy and eggs in excess may sway blue but right here and now you need that fat to get you ovulating normally. So don't worry about your sway right now. It's like turning a radio dial, right now you actually need to turn the dial a little more towards blue to get you ovulating again.

Refresh my memory, why were you on Metformin and why did you stop?

My inclination is for you to not take the Metformin since I am not sure that is what our issue is.

[atomic sagebrush]

My temps are already starting to rise only on CD3. [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848] my usual AF temps are in the 97.3-97.9 range.

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This can mean you're a little lower in estrogen, did you take the Clomid?

[Star4012]

This can mean you're a little lower in estrogen, did you take the Clomid?Not for this new cycle yet. Was going to go back to days 5-9

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[Star4012]

Can you do yogurt or even ice cream? (I hesitate at ice cream because I'm lactose intolerant and I can't have ice cream, unfortunately) If you can't, then add in more eggs (like 2 per day) Or butter - that's 100% dairy fat haha and doesn't have much lactose in it at all.

I want you to have the yolk of the egg. That's the part that has the good fat in it. So scrambled is fine!

The dairy and eggs in excess may sway blue but right here and now you need that fat to get you ovulating normally. So don't worry about your sway right now. It's like turning a radio dial, right now you actually need to turn the dial a little more towards blue to get you ovulating again.

Refresh my memory, why were you on Metformin and why did you stop?

My inclination is for you to not take the Metformin since I am not sure that is what our issue is.Ice cream and yogurt it is lol. :) and scrambled eggs.

I was prescribed metformin after my first ultrasound... whoever read my results from the hospital put in the notes that it looked like I had PCOS from the photos they got... so my obgyn said that with my bloodwork, excessive fatigue, acne and now the ultrasound results, he felt that I have PCOS. So he put me on a small dose everyday (500mg). I started that Jan 4th and that was also the first cycle that I switched my Clomid to days 3-7... and it happened to be anovulatory... then came my 3rd round of Clomid and I took them again days 3-7 also still taking metformin.... so after this past cycle was also anovulatory, I decided to discontinue the metformin on my own.

I didn't consult it with my doc but if you think it's a good thing to continue to take with my larger dose of Clomid this cycle (plan on taking 100mg days 5-9) I'll start back up.

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[Star4012]

I'm going to call into my doc office tomorrow and just request a blood panel to see what my levels are... and also for a thyroid check. If they won't do it, may be my regular PCP will. I began to think I was having low estergon bc of my temps... under our assumption that, that is going on without a blood test to confirm (only going on temps right now) what I can i do to increase it?

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[atomic sagebrush]

I would try staying off the Metformin. Let's just see what happens with just the Clomid in case the Met is too much of a good thing. Metformin has been shown to lower estrogen and of course Clomid blocks estrogen, so let's just see if it works better without the Met.

Eating more fat will help get the estrogen up.

:agree: getting a blood test. Keep me posted!!!!

[Star4012]

I would try staying off the Metformin. Let's just see what happens with just the Clomid in case the Met is too much of a good thing. Metformin has been shown to lower estrogen and of course Clomid blocks estrogen, so let's just see if it works better without the Met.

Eating more fat will help get the estrogen up.

:agree: getting a blood test. Keep me posted!!!!So I called my obgyn office and asked about blood work... And the nurse told me that I had blood work done on 9/16/17 to check my levels and it all came back in normal range... And then I said well, I'd like for my thyroid to be checked and she told me that they checked it on the same day as before and my TSH was .66 which was considered normal in their range. They said they only get concerned if it's below a .35.... so then she said I should discuss my concerns with my doc at my next appt on 2/28/18. So that's the furthest I got with them.

My temps haven't gone too high, which is good!!!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Welll...unfortunately hormones can fluctuate a lot by the month so tests done on estrogen and progesterone in Sept. are not going to help us any now. But, if they won't do anything they won't. Let's give it a month without the Met and see what happens. FXFXFX!!!

[Star4012]

Welll...unfortunately hormones can fluctuate a lot by the month so tests done on estrogen and progesterone in Sept. are not going to help us any now. But, if they won't do anything they won't. Let's give it a month without the Met and see what happens. FXFXFX!!!I know, it was disappointing that my only option is to wait to talk to my doc in 2 weeks. Urgh. I guess that's the difference when you see a OBGYN than a specialist. My friend who was at a specialist said they have her blood tests monthly. I thought ahead and made an appt with a RE bc they are scheduling into late April right now which would line up with the time that I would be referred from my OBGYN if I don't get pregnant. Hoping that I'll end up having to cancel that appt bc of a pregnancy. 🤞🤞🤞 and thanks for the fx!! I can use all I can get! :)

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[atomic sagebrush]

LOL sadly, no, that is what the specialists often do as well (if not even more so GRRRR) but at least the RE's will often test for E and P monthly, that's correct.

Good thinking on the planning ahead! But yes let's hope the appointment will never be kept!! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

[jeandavis]

Hi there, I am newbie here.

[atomic sagebrush]

hi and welcome! let me know how I can help!