dedicated atomic fertility diet thread

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey guys, while I have the AFD in the PCOS thread still, I know many people have asked me for a thread that is more just the AFD and blood sugar recommendations so I merged the swaying with blood sugar issues with the AFD and hopefully made it easier for people to understand.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-a-girl-best-practices/1865-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-1-blood-sugar-issues.html?1865-Swaying-under-special-circumstances-Part-1-Blood-sugar-issues=

[emshe]

Your updates are fabulous atomic, THANKYOU!!!!

Concerning girl sway starches on fertility diet, I am having white potato & white rice! This is what I should be doing right?

I don’t have pcos or sugar problems according to glucose test earlier in the year, but I am on metformin (HRC let me when cycling because I asked about it assisting egg quality)


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[honeybee]

Thanks!! Our one attempt in the fertile week didn't work at all. Today is cd-3 and we are starting to try again full throttle lol. My case settled, so I don't have a big trial in February anymore. We've tried 13 cycles now for #2 now :(

[atomic sagebrush]

Your updates are fabulous atomic, THANKYOU!!!!

Concerning girl sway starches on fertility diet, I am having white potato & white rice! This is what I should be doing right?

I don’t have pcos or sugar problems according to glucose test earlier in the year, but I am on metformin (HRC let me when cycling because I asked about it assisting egg quality)


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:agree: yes both those are believed much more fertility friendly (and without swaying blue!) than higher intake of the white, refined wheat products and even whole grain wheat!

Metformin helps forgive a lot so don't worry if you mess up on diet now and then.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks!! Our one attempt in the fertile week didn't work at all. Today is cd-3 and we are starting to try again full throttle lol. My case settled, so I don't have a big trial in February anymore. We've tried 13 cycles now for #2 now :(

You probably recall Meoab - she went on and on without getting pregnant for about that long and she ended up having to lose some weight and really work hard to follow the alternate HE Diet that's better for blood sugar and she did end up having a boy!! :) We got this, honeybee.

[honeybee]

Thanks!! I remember you were telling me about pregnitude. Can I take that with metformin? I'm still taking 500mg (too scared to move up to 1000 and eventually 1500mg!) I cannot have GI issues on my commute haha!

ETA: Or what about fertilitea?

[emshe]

:agree: yes both those are believed much more fertility friendly (and without swaying blue!) than higher intake of the white, refined wheat products and even whole grain wheat!

Metformin helps forgive a lot so don't worry if you mess up on diet now and then.

Fabulous, I think Im on the right track :) Lucky about the metformin and messing up, I dare say this festive silly season will be a challenge here and there...

Thanks so much atomic

[emshe]

Any good tips on how or what foods to get the adequate amount of fat into the fertility diet?

I am eating mainly salad or vegetables (free-zucchini,cucumber,lettuce,mushrooms,asparagus sometimes capsicum) with either white rice or potato & 100g chicken for each 2 meals(lunch & dinner). Then I have 100g full fat plain yoghurt with strawberries later, and half a pear. At lunch I often have a banana, coconut water and coffee shot smoothie too, and at dinner I try to have 2 alcoholis drinks. Which I think is alright isn't it? I am not hungry. My concern is in being on it from early December I have already lost 5kg taking me down to 53-4kg and Im not starting to ttc until March. Im loving the loss but Im concerned I may lose too much by the time ttc comes around if I keep going at this pace? I am walking an hour a day at least 6 days atm, but that will decline when hubby returns to work on Monday I am guessing.

Whats everyones thoughts?

Suggestions on other types of carbs to add to the white rice and potato would be good too.

Thanks!!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks!! I remember you were telling me about pregnitude. Can I take that with metformin? I'm still taking 500mg (too scared to move up to 1000 and eventually 1500mg!) I cannot have GI issues on my commute haha!

ETA: Or what about fertilitea?

Oh gosh I am SO SORRY I missed this post!!

Do not do both Pregnitude and Metformin, they do the same thing. (and Pregnitude is not the greatest for tummy issues either TBH)

NO Fertilitea. Fertilitea has components that sway pink and other stuff that can delay ovulation and since we've just got you Oing regularly I want that to continue on!

[atomic sagebrush]

Any good tips on how or what foods to get the adequate amount of fat into the fertility diet?

I am eating mainly salad or vegetables (free-zucchini,cucumber,lettuce,mushrooms,asparagus sometimes capsicum) with either white rice or potato & 100g chicken for each 2 meals(lunch & dinner). Then I have 100g full fat plain yoghurt with strawberries later, and half a pear. At lunch I often have a banana, coconut water and coffee shot smoothie too, and at dinner I try to have 2 alcoholis drinks. Which I think is alright isn't it? I am not hungry. My concern is in being on it from early December I have already lost 5kg taking me down to 53-4kg and Im not starting to ttc until March. Im loving the loss but Im concerned I may lose too much by the time ttc comes around if I keep going at this pace? I am walking an hour a day at least 6 days atm, but that will decline when hubby returns to work on Monday I am guessing.

Whats everyones thoughts?

Suggestions on other types of carbs to add to the white rice and potato would be good too.

Thanks!!!!!

Butter, eggs, cheese, salad dressing, mayonnaise, more yogurt, cream in your coffee, sour cream on the baked potato or the veggies! Tree nuts are allowed too, it's peanuts that are not.

If you like sweet potatoes they are great. The fertity diet can be a little unforgiving if you have to give up whole grains and legumes, but if you're doing it only as a precaution and not because you have bad egg quality, you can sneak back in SOME whole wheat and legumes (just don't go overboard as they are harmful to fertility for some people) You can also have oats, the reason they were not included for pink is that they have compounds in them that may sway slightly blue but I truly believe that is primarily when taken in supplement form and not eating a bowl of porridge a few times a week.

[emshe]

Thanks so much atomic, do you think I’m doing ok? & on the right track for girl sway?

I don’t track the food I eat just weigh the main stuff like chicken & yoghurt & have come to understand amounts of rice & potato. Didn’t want to get to bogged down in weighing/charting. Maybe I should track it in an app for a few days to get values?

I actually did have some mayo & mustard with my roast chicken & veg last & it was a yummy addition. I also had beans at lunch instead for the last 2 days. Which was a nice Mexican siesta from chicken [emoji490] All your ideas I will give a run, adds interest!

Thanks a million atomic




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[atomic sagebrush]

No that's fine, that's actually what I want you guys to do, is track for a few days and then once you get the general idea, stop tracking since it contributes to swaycession.

[emshe]

No that's fine, that's actually what I want you guys to do, is track for a few days and then once you get the general idea, stop tracking since it contributes to swaycession.

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Atomic this was my tracking yesterday, I put in all fruit & veg though so protein without that was approx 51grams (23g/100g of chicken x 2 + 5.2g/100g yoghurt)
Is this good?

Fat was 33grams




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[atomic sagebrush]

We need more fat! 50-60 g.

[emshe]

We need more fat! 50-60 g.

Ok! Added more mayo last night. Might add some almonds to my yoghurt but then I worry because of protein increase?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yeah, we may want to find some fat elsewhere like butter, oil for cooking, even avocado (avocado, while we think of it as a blue friendly food, is nice because we can get a lot of fat and cals without any protein!)

[emshe]

Yeah, we may want to find some fat elsewhere like butter, oil for cooking, even avocado (avocado, while we think of it as a blue friendly food, is nice because we can get a lot of fat and cals without any protein!)

Avocado would be yummy! I went over yesterday as I had 2eggs. But also used more mayo, a bit of cheese & some almonds.

I’m using canola oil, is there any other you’d recommend instead?

Thanks atomic


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[atomic sagebrush]

That's what I used when I got my girl! :agree:

Soy, corn, safflower, or "vegetable" oils (these are usually blends of soy and corn) also fine.

[emshe]

Oh dear.... Atomic I think Ive gotten things a bit wrong. Trust me!

I have been eating broccoli & sometimes asaragus with dinner. Quite a bit of broccoli actually. But I have just read these are higher nutrient foods, is this a huge deal?

Can I also ask are there better girl months for Australia?

Should my husband, 41, do frequent release? We did for our HT collection and 3 of 4 embryos were girls, he also take OLE

I have 1 round of clomid, I take metformin 3x500mg/day, and have been doing the diet since beginning December so thinking of starting to ttc around March.

[atomic sagebrush]

Low carb veg like broccoli and asparagus are free and unlimited, you can have as much as you want, no need to count them. We started off thinking we needed to limit or avoid them but over time we've learned that the kind of nutrients in fruits and vegetables don't seem to sway and it's mostly fat, protein, calories, and then fortified foods that matter.

If you have the option between a lower and higher nutrient fruit or veg, then by all means pick the lower nutrient one, if all things are equal. But if you prefer the higher nutrient fruit go with that one instead, still free!

Yes Sept-Nov. are the girl months in Australia. But don't worry about that. I got my girl in boy months and 2 boys in girl months. It's just one little teeny thing.

Hubby keep going with OLE, he can start with FR and if you guys don't conceive in 1-2 months you can drop that and go tor regular release instead. BUT since you only have the one month Clomid I'd be inclined for you to e4d in the month you take the Clomid to boost odds of conception.

[emshe]

Low carb veg like broccoli and asparagus are free and unlimited, you can have as much as you want, no need to count them. We started off thinking we needed to limit or avoid them but over time we've learned that the kind of nutrients in fruits and vegetables don't seem to sway and it's mostly fat, protein, calories, and then fortified foods that matter.

If you have the option between a lower and higher nutrient fruit or veg, then by all means pick the lower nutrient one, if all things are equal. But if you prefer the higher nutrient fruit go with that one instead, still free!

Yes Sept-Nov. are the girl months in Australia. But don't worry about that. I got my girl in boy months and 2 boys in girl months. It's just one little teeny thing.

Hubby keep going with OLE, he can start with FR and if you guys don't conceive in 1-2 months you can drop that and go tor regular release instead. BUT since you only have the one month Clomid I'd be inclined for you to e4d in the month you take the Clomid to boost odds of conception.

That makes complete sense about the e4d thing I’m glad you said that I wouldn’t have thought about.

Good to hear about the veg. That’s largely what I eat so really helps.

Shame about the months. One of my boys is an August birthday so I think he was conceived in November too!


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[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: yes the months probably do very little to nothing. My daughter is August so yes November conception = August baby!

[emshe]

:agree: yes the months probably do very little to nothing. My daughter is August so yes November conception = August baby!

🤞 atomic! About the clomid. If i only have the one cycle should I stick with the 50mg or halve it for 2 cycles? I do have quite a short lp, & my lining being thick I feel has been my downfall in ivf. And what days would you recommend?

E4d from positive opk?
Massive thanks atomic

[atomic sagebrush]

It is up to you. I can't know what is the best option with that. My gut says 2 months at 25 but I honestly don't know that for sure. Follow your heart!!

If you do e4d you have to start that much sooner. STart that the day you take your last dose of medication. You cannot wait till positive OPK to do e4d, you have to start it before you could possibly ovulate.

[emshe]

Omg! Of course, really didn’t switch my brain on with that one did I? After positive opk would at most be 2 days to ov generally wouldn’t it derr me! Sorry atomic.

What cycle days are best for clomid swaying girl wise?


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[atomic sagebrush]

No I actually have some people do that. Like, if they really really want one attempt but I am worried they will have that attempt too soon and end up ovulating later, I will sometimes have them try for one attempt at pos OPK and then start e
4d at that time just to protect themselves from delayed ovulation. But if you're going for e4d that you start after AF ends (or on your last dose of Clomid/Femara) and roll with it till you are 110% sure you've ovualted even if that means going till your next period begins!

I feel like we see best results for conception on CD 3-7 so that is what I recommend.

[emshe]

No I actually have some people do that. Like, if they really really want one attempt but I am worried they will have that attempt too soon and end up ovulating later, I will sometimes have them try for one attempt at pos OPK and then start e4d at that time just to protect themselves from delayed ovulation. But if you're going for e4d that you start after AF ends (or on your last dose of Clomid/Femara) and roll with it till you are 110% sure you've ovualted even if that means going till your next period begins!

I feel like we see best results for conception on CD 3-7 so that is what I recommend.

All very helpful atomic, thanks so much [emoji3]


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[emshe]

Just wanted to share... last night to boost my fat I baked half a banana with butter to have with my plain yoghurt. Wow! Yummy. I guess after 3 months simple things are great pleasures. The way the melted butter kind of hardened like a topping on the cool yoghurt & the sweetness of the banana it was dreamy.

Think I’m getting a bit loopy at this stage of the game!?


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[atomic sagebrush]

LOL no not at all - that's what they say, when you cut back on refined foods you end up with more appreciation for the simple pleasures of real foods like butter and bananas!! :)

[emshe]

Suggestions please- I seem to have up to about 200 cal left at time, whilst having met fat & protein targets, any thoughts on snacks I could have?
Have generally had small ind size pack of popcorn but getting a bit boring at times.
I eat lots of free veg.
Is salsa ok, or are the spices a problem?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Salsa is absolutely fine! I had tons of salsa when I was swaying.

I mainly want you to stay flexible and eat what YOU want and need for the day. So keep that 200 cals in reserve, and then when you get to that time of day (if you haven't used it up along the way) think back and anything you're low in, you can have it then. Popcorn is fine, but for instance if you're low in fat you might want to have some nuts instead, or broccoli and dip, or hummus and some carrots or whole grain crackers, or a little yogurt and berries if you want something sweeter. Just don't feel like anything is set in stone! YOu can have several options and then pick the thing you really want that day - it really helps keep you solid on diet in the longer term to do that!

[emshe]

Salsa is absolutely fine! I had tons of salsa when I was swaying.

I mainly want you to stay flexible and eat what YOU want and need for the day. So keep that 200 cals in reserve, and then when you get to that time of day (if you haven't used it up along the way) think back and anything you're low in, you can have it then. Popcorn is fine, but for instance if you're low in fat you might want to have some nuts instead, or broccoli and dip, or hummus and some carrots or whole grain crackers, or a little yogurt and berries if you want something sweeter. Just don't feel like anything is set in stone! YOu can have several options and then pick the thing you really want that day - it really helps keep you solid on diet in the longer term to do that!

Thanks so much atomic, the popcorn really does help, but thought maybe everyday might be too much “sway” wise. It’s only a13gram packet...

Whole grain crackers sound good, but yeah I seem to hit 60g protein really easy because of the 200g chicken, 100g yoghurt & the potato & rice (starch allowance) really top it up. That’s my biggest difficulty [emoji51]


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[atomic sagebrush]

I know, it's tricky, it is ok to bend the rules a bit sometimes.

Popcorn every day is fine - I know several people who ate popcorn on LE PCOS and got girls!

[babybluedreamer]

Am I too late to sway if I am on Day 3 of my cycle and I ovulate around day 21? We have had 2 miscarriages last few tries, (last was actually a chemical at 5 weeks, but first miscarriage was at 12 weeks) and I would really like to keep trying as I am 35 in August. I have been trying to improve my diet since January (adding bananas, v8, cereal, full fat dairy, more protein like roast ham and eggs) then I had the chemical and now i want to try again. I am still bleeding from the chemical but hoping i will ovulate day 21 again and ttc a BOY by BD on day 17, 19, 20, 21 (twice on 20 and 21)?

[babybluedreamer]

sorry Atomic but one more thing - if i purchase the plan today (cycle day 4 - or 4 days of bleeding since chemical pregnancy at 4.5 weeks i started bleeding which was 4 days ago) would i be okay to ttc this month on day 21? or is that not long enough?

[emshe]

I know, it's tricky, it is ok to bend the rules a bit sometimes.

Popcorn every day is fine - I know several people who ate popcorn on LE PCOS and got girls!

Lucky, phew!

Had rye cruskits (think rye krisps in US) with avo last night. YUMMMMMMMMMM

[atomic sagebrush]

Am I too late to sway if I am on Day 3 of my cycle and I ovulate around day 21? We have had 2 miscarriages last few tries, (last was actually a chemical at 5 weeks, but first miscarriage was at 12 weeks) and I would really like to keep trying as I am 35 in August. I have been trying to improve my diet since January (adding bananas, v8, cereal, full fat dairy, more protein like roast ham and eggs) then I had the chemical and now i want to try again. I am still bleeding from the chemical but hoping i will ovulate day 21 again and ttc a BOY by BD on day 17, 19, 20, 21 (twice on 20 and 21)?

I would consider holding off this month due the chemical. Some people believe that chemicals may sway a bit pink and that would give us more time to get everything ironed out.

But if not there's plenty of time between now and CD 21 to get things figured out so if you are ok with trying, I will help you however I can. Since you've been changing your diet since Jan. I think you'd still have a great chance of blue.

:agree: with your BD pattern but be sure to have hubby doing regular release even now (every 2-4 days)

If you do want a plan I'll get it done ASAP. I just got a bunch of plans done and sent and have time for a couple hurry up plans now.

[atomic sagebrush]

Lucky, phew!

Had rye cruskits (think rye krisps in US) with avo last night. YUMMMMMMMMMM

:agree: rye krisp is something LOTS of pink swayers have eaten! Never thought to try with avocado - sounds delish!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

sorry Atomic but one more thing - if i purchase the plan today (cycle day 4 - or 4 days of bleeding since chemical pregnancy at 4.5 weeks i started bleeding which was 4 days ago) would i be okay to ttc this month on day 21? or is that not long enough?

Oh and I want to mention since your chemical started a bit later, you may still O "CD 21" based on what your cycle would have been if not for the chemical!! Don't count on Oing that day because you may O much sooner or later.

[babybluedreamer]

Thank you so much! which plan is it I buy and how? Would be so good to try straight away but I don't want to run any risks. I'm still bleeding now (CD 5) so hopefully enough time, unless I O early and then I will push to next month. just let me know what to do next I will get going!

[emshe]

:agree: rye krisp is something LOTS of pink swayers have eaten! Never thought to try with avocado - sounds delish!!!

It was!

Last night I had some a few cherry tomatoes & cucumber. Still a bit short on cals but I eat what feels like a real load because of all the free veg


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[emshe]

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I still seem to come up short on 200 cals even though I feel absolutely stuffed & it seems to be in the carbs section... is that ok


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes as long as you're not losing massive amounts of weight!

[emshe]

Yes as long as you're not losing massive amounts of weight!

I think it’s time to stick where I am that’s why I’m trying to think of ways to get it up but within sway.

I added more after that shot of another rye crud kit and a bit more fruit.

Appreciate the advice atomic, many thanks


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[atomic sagebrush]

I thought I spotted a post from you last night right as I shut down that said you were only eating 40-50 g protein and 30 g fat? (may have been someone else) I just want to reiterate that the LE PCOS Diet and atomic fertility diet you should aim at 50-60 g protein and fat both. This in effect cuts carbs effortlessly without having to worry about counting them.

[emshe]

I thought I spotted a post from you last night right as I shut down that said you were only eating 40-50 g protein and 30 g fat? (may have been someone else) I just want to reiterate that the LE PCOS Diet and atomic fertility diet you should aim at 50-60 g protein and fat both. This in effect cuts carbs effortlessly without having to worry about counting them.

Not me I’m always meeting the fat & protein targets easily. Protein super easily & with your tips covering shortfall in fat is easy too. I actually added cream to a 1/2 banana to boost the fat after posting this. It’s the cals I don’t seem to always hit. Although I’m figuring a few ways out. Not that I am hungry or anything but my weight is as low as it should go. Had a sleep in instead of a walk this morning, not the best for my head though 🤪


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[atomic sagebrush]

Nope I found who it was just a very similar thread (I actually think it's the thread I linked to in this post LOL) so I got mixed up, sorry for confusion - but still good advice for others reading the thread!!

[emshe]

All good Atomic. Always good to see the numbers again to make sure I am remembering correctly :)