Need help fast!

[4boysandneedagirl]

Hi there!

I’m a new member but I’ve bewn reading this thread through two pregnancies. I have four boys, I am desperately trying for a girl. I did try to gender sway with my last son, but not super strict. I’m having a really hard time understanding a lot of what I’m reading, because I do not know a lot of the code words and can’t find where they are posted as the meanings. Here’s my situation-I need help and FAST!

Me and my husband don’t have sex very often because just have a lot going on- we want to but we just don’t have time haha. And when I say we don’t, I mean like once a month, also because I have a low sex drive (possible low progesterone?)
My husband is 100% on board with gender swaying.
He has been taking magnesium calcium, licorice root, vitamin 12, yams, cranberry
I’ve been taking vitex, cranberry, prenatal, folic acid, vitamin c, yams
Not stickly following the diet, but pretty close.
I’m breastfeeding my 1 ye old and 2 yr old
I’ve been tracking ovulation, and I am projected to ovulate in 4 days- been tracking for 3 months.
Periods are regular.
For some reason my ph is 7? Going to try the lime tampon tonight

My question is...
to sway girl, preferably this cycle... which method should we do in terms of BD and timing because of our sex pattern? We are willing to do whatever for our princess, but I don’t know if he should release, them we try 3-6 hours later, or if we should wait another cycle.

Can us abstaining this long cause his sperm to kill off all x sperm? Because I feel like that’s why we have 4 boys! We were going to try tonight, and now I’m so confused.

[atomic sagebrush]

is your hubby not releasing outside of that one time a month? If he is, then that is not a monthlong abstain. I am wary of abstains that long not because they sway blue but because they're really bad for sperm health and count.

Personally I'd consider holding off this month and getting off the prenatal, adjusting diet, etc. I really don't think you're going to give yourself the best chance here if we proceed. Prenatals have been super blue friendly for us. But it's your sway your way!

Abstaining sways pink. Totally. We've always had better than 50-50 with it. So don't worry about that. Do not have him release and use second batch, that only undoes some of the benefits of the abstain. Regardless of what you may have read elsewhere it's impossible to kill off only X or Y sperm, you just kill ALL sperm, and then for reasons we don't understand, fewer sperm = more girls conceived.

It's normal for pH to go up around ovulation. I'm not a huge fan of lime tampon but if you want to, that's up to you.

The MOST important thing you can do is have one attempt. Most of the rest of this jazz - timing, pH, etc has NOT worked in any reliable way for us but that one attempt is GOLD. Even though we don't totally know how or why it works, it works, so my advice would be have one attempt on O-2 and leave it at that. But do be aware you may ovulate late - breastfeeding 2 kiddos and taking vitex can delay ovulation so if you want to stick with one attempt this month (which I strongly suggest that you do, and then we can tweak some stuff with your supplements and wean off the prenatal in particular if you don't get pregnant) then you're going to want to BD later in the month using protection - if you do BD later in the month.

I do need to stress to you that cranberry is NOT ALLOWED when nursing. I know they recommend it on some sites and claim it is ok, but I personally took it when I was nursing (2 kiddos, just like you, a 1 and a 2 year old) and after only taking it for a few days both my nursing babies AND me were covered head to toe in bruises. Cranberry is a strong blood thinner and it can make it much more difficult for your blood to clot. Then my baby got a tiny cut on his thumb and it bled and bled for hours (I actually had to superglue it to get it to stop) and then bled off and on for a few days after that. I have never seen anything like it before or since in 26 years of motherhood and thus I can say firsthand that cranberry DOES come through in the milk and can cause extended bleeding times in nursing babies. I cannot in good conscience recommend cranberry for any nursing mom ever and I strongly, strongly suggest that you wean off of it right away (don't quit cold turkey, just wean off it by gradually spacing doses furhter and further out till down to one dose per week then you can drop it.) This type of bleeding can occur in the stomach or the brain which can be fatal and if your child (or you for that matter) has an accident or needed emergency surgery, if you're ingesting blood thinners you can bleed to death from an accident or surgery you'd otherwise have survived. Sorry for speaking in a frightening way, I just really want to be sure you get off the cranberry!!

[4boysandneedagirl]

No he is not releasing any other time of the month. We literally don’t have time.

I guess I’m just confused because this site is what I’ve gone off of to try to sway girl. There is just a lot of conflicting information then i guess is why I’m confused.

So could you tell me the best way to sway pink next month?

I will be devastated and done having babies if I have another boy. I have 4 already.

I forgot to mention we are in our mid 20s.

[4boysandneedagirl]

The other thing too, I have been tracking ovulation this month especially, and I have been doing the gage in method. It just got darker today, and I read the fade in method on here, and so that’s what I’ve been going off of.

I know breastfeeding can affect ovulation, but if I’m testing ovulation, and it’s slowly rising, that’s still accurate method of tracking ovulation, correct?

We also skip breakfast everyday, honestly because we are so busy. Our diet consists of a lot of chicken, fish, greens. We don’t consume red meat very often. Lots of orange juice and cranberry juice. My husband does drink a whole lot of coffeee, which I’ve seen a mixture of reviews about.

So should he release then? Abstaining that long can effect his sperm in a negative way?

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm in the process of updating everything and I apologize for any confusion. As a general rule things from 2011 and 2012 are probably out of date unless they have a note at the top that I have updated them.

I think you need to drop the prenatals (wean off, don't just stop cold turkey), wean off the cranberry, and consider a diet even if just going vegetarian.

Since you guys are in your mid 20's I'd be ok with your long abstain if you wanted to. Worst that will happen is that you won't get pregnant. One attempt is best though.

[4boysandneedagirl]

I am willing to wait if this cycle if need be! I just really want my girl this time! I will absolutely stop taking both of those.

To sway pink, is it best to do o-2 or o-3? Today is o-3
And one more question, if my cervicle mucus is still watery, but the ovulation tests are slowly getting darker, does that mean it’s a good time? Or should I wait until it is egg white?

So you think I should try this cycle or wait to be safe?

I really appreciate all of your help!

[atomic sagebrush]

Timing doesn't sway, scientists using modern technology found 50-50 boys and girls conceived every day of the cycle. O-2 is going to be better odds of conception with one attempt (like I said, one attempt is good for girls for reasons we don't know)

Watery is said to be fertile just like EWCM so either way!

Given your age I'd wait (time is on our side!) but it's your call to make, of course!

[4boysandneedagirl]

I just don’t see how that’s the case, the part being that I have 4 boys, and that is my average sex life, very very rarely.

I just don’t know what is best, maybe the opposite of what we’re doing and have done with all 4 boys?

[Throwaway_panther]

I just don’t see how that’s the case, the part being that I have 4 boys, and that is my average sex life, very very rarely.

I just don’t know what is best, maybe the opposite of what we’re doing and have done with all 4 boys?

You are a sample size of 4. That's extremely small. Studies have shown that timing does not sway -- those are much bigger pools of people. You were either flipping a coin 4 times in a row, or had some other factor that was making a big impact (diet, exercise, weight, etc.)

I have learned very recently that probability is just that -- you can tilt things a certain way, but inevitably someone somewhere will flip the coin 10 heads in a row no matter what they're doing.

As a sidenote: low sex drive usually has to do with low estrogen/low testosterone, not progesterone.

[nyc0404]

Hi there!

I’m a new member but I’ve bewn reading this thread through two pregnancies. I have four boys, I am desperately trying for a girl. I did try to gender sway with my last son, but not super strict. I’m having a really hard time understanding a lot of what I’m reading, because I do not know a lot of the code words and can’t find where they are posted as the meanings. Here’s my situation-I need help and FAST!

Me and my husband don’t have sex very often because just have a lot going on- we want to but we just don’t have time haha. And when I say we don’t, I mean like once a month, also because I have a low sex drive (possible low progesterone?)
My husband is 100% on board with gender swaying.
He has been taking magnesium calcium, licorice root, vitamin 12, yams, cranberry
I’ve been taking vitex, cranberry, prenatal, folic acid, vitamin c, yams
Not stickly following the diet, but pretty close.
I’m breastfeeding my 1 ye old and 2 yr old
I’ve been tracking ovulation, and I am projected to ovulate in 4 days- been tracking for 3 months.
Periods are regular.
For some reason my ph is 7? Going to try the lime tampon tonight

My question is...
to sway girl, preferably this cycle... which method should we do in terms of BD and timing because of our sex pattern? We are willing to do whatever for our princess, but I don’t know if he should release, them we try 3-6 hours later, or if we should wait another cycle.

Can us abstaining this long cause his sperm to kill off all x sperm? Because I feel like that’s why we have 4 boys! We were going to try tonight, and now I’m so confused.May I ask what you did in your last sway that resulted in a boy? Always curious to hear these kinds of things because I got two boys thinking the shettles would work but as atomic has mentioned before...there have been a lot of opposites! Did your last sway include diet and one attempt?

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[4boysandneedagirl]

In my last sway I was doing pretty much everything that I’ve mentioned in this thread, as well as abstaining. And yes it was one attempt. I did not track ovulation as closely, although I did try before I ovulated. I was also breast-feeding at that time as well.

I was a lot heavier then, and I did eat red meat more often when I tried to sway before. I also had Low PROGESTERONE, not estrogen -with my last sway. I did work out, and I did follow the girl diet. I also lowered my ph, and focused on things that made positive ions.

I wasn’t taking Prenatal’s the last sway.

[4boysandneedagirl]

And to you throwaway-
I do have pretty severe gender disappointment, and depression, so if you know could keep your negative comments to yourself, that would be great.

And yes, progesterone does cause low sex drive.
And if you read the post, it’s not just low drive, it’s that we’re very busy and both just not very sexual people.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, just happened to read this, it's late for me and I'm technically off work but I did want to mention that we are all trying to help you have a successful sway. (trust me, I have 4 boys including 2 failed sways, one Shettles, one IG, and finally got a girl so please believe me when I say I know where you're coming from.)

NO sway tactic is 100%. In fact most sway tactics seem to go between 55-75% success rate which means there is lots of room for opposites. We think it's best for you guys to do what has worked for most people most of the time instead of doing the opposite, because if you do the opposite on something that was pink friendly for you to start out with, then you'd only make yourself more blue friendly, if that makes sense. For example let's say you were 75% likely to have a girl last time and then just had some bum luck (it happens, if swaying was possible 100% of the time or even close to it the whole human race would have died out a long time ago!) and got a boy, you shouldn't then switch away from what you were doing before, because that would only be lower chances!

I promise first thing tomorrow I'll be back by to explain all this in more detail but just wanted to touch base with you. I understand it's super frustrating but there is always sound reasoning behind the stuff on this site. :)

[nyc0404]

In my last sway I was doing pretty much everything that I’ve mentioned in this thread, as well as abstaining. And yes it was one attempt. I did not track ovulation as closely, although I did try before I ovulated. I was also breast-feeding at that time as well.

I was a lot heavier then, and I did eat red meat more often when I tried to sway before. I also had Low PROGESTERONE, not estrogen -with my last sway. I did work out, and I did follow the girl diet. I also lowered my ph, and focused on things that made positive ions.

I wasn’t taking Prenatal’s the last sway.Hang in there girl..don't beat yourself up too much! I could only imagine how you feel. I was pretty bummed when I found out I was having boy #2. Just want to send you some love your way and not to worry you have tons of people here to help support you .. we are all learning!

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[atomic sagebrush]

I just don’t see how that’s the case, the part being that I have 4 boys, and that is my average sex life, very very rarely.

I just don’t know what is best, maybe the opposite of what we’re doing and have done with all 4 boys?

Some people can just "shake off" sway tactics and have boys anyway. Just seems to be how it works. All we can do is do what has worked best for most people, most of the time (for the reasons I explained above).

If you want to try changing it up, you can have your husband release on his own or with you, with a condom, daily for 7-10 days before having one attempt either at positive OPK or 2-3 day cutoff if you'd like. That is fine to do, we've used that as a sway tactic too. My only concern is that when a man doesn't have time for sex, he usually doesn't have time to do daily release either, and trying to make him do it often causes stress in the relationship and drastically lowers odds of conception too.

[atomic sagebrush]

In my last sway I was doing pretty much everything that I’ve mentioned in this thread, as well as abstaining. And yes it was one attempt. I did not track ovulation as closely, although I did try before I ovulated. I was also breast-feeding at that time as well.

I was a lot heavier then, and I did eat red meat more often when I tried to sway before. I also had Low PROGESTERONE, not estrogen -with my last sway. I did work out, and I did follow the girl diet. I also lowered my ph, and focused on things that made positive ions.

I wasn’t taking Prenatal’s the last sway.

I know progesterone is a theory that's out there but we have not found that that one panned out. We had tons of girl moms who always had low progesterone and lots of boy moms who never had it. LE Diet has also caused people to get low progesterone and yet still our sways succeeded. This is one of those theories that never had any real evidence backing it up and when we investigated it ourselves, has not added up.

[4boysandneedagirl]

So caffeine is fine correct?

And what about “warming” dh’s buddies? Is that proven to work too?

[atomic sagebrush]

Coffee has been a good pink sway for us. I'd stay away from tea as it seems to be more blue friendly. It may not be caffeine per se but something in coffee itself (so just drinking diet Coke may not be enough)

It's never been proven to help to warm up the buddies LOL but most people do try it to start with. The issue is that it can really kill off everything, so start off using it if you want to (hot bath, tighty whiteys/jock) and then drop it sooner rather than later.

[Happy Mom]

May I ask what you did in your last sway that resulted in a boy? Always curious to hear these kinds of things because I got two boys thinking the shettles would work but as atomic has mentioned before...there have been a lot of opposites! Did your last sway include diet and one attempt?

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I got my girl by doing O-2 AND O-1... totally broke all the rules.. and still I got my girl. I’m not sure when or how many attempts really sways. Ok maybe it does- it just didn’t seem to affect my sway as I was scared it would.
I did use aci jel at both attempts though, but did not check my ph.. I didn’t want to get too wrapped up in details and get over stressed!


I think cardio for 60 min 6-7 days a week and diet play a bigger role.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Here is how I know number of attempts sways.

In the earliest days of the site no one had ever guessed that number of attempts could possibly sway. So we had people do all the various sway tactics (timing, frequency, pH, etc) all of which cut odds of conception hugely and then when people went 4-6 months without conceiving (which most did) we started adding attempts. This was the lowest success rates of the site. So very disappointing, but the one thing we found during that time is that those who had one attempt had 10-15% higher success rates than those who had 2 attempts and 30% higher success rates than those who had 3. EVEN when these people were doing super strict sways otherwise with all the various sway tactics, their results were still much, much worse

At the same time we noticed that vitex, SP, antihistamine, timing (when done with more than one attempt), pH jellies, frequency patterns were getting about the same rate of success both for those who did them and those who didn't. This means that none of these things are actually even working!! So by adding attempts and relying on these things we were actually causing terrible results.

Once I realized this we immediately changed it to put emphasis on the one attempt and move away from emphasising the other stuff and our success rates went up immediately and have stayed up ever since. I cannot draw any other conclusion than that one attempt sways, two attempts is better than three but worse than one, and three attempts sways strongly blue.

So, even though it is possible to get a girl with 2 attempts or 3, I do still believe strongly that 1 attempt is the way to go at least to start with for most. Totally cool if you want to start off with more, you can still get a girl that way, but I don't think it's going to be the best results for most people. :)