folate, miscarriage, help!

[BeachBabies2]

Hello! I’m not so new to this, but i wasn’t sure where else to post. I was swaying pink for 16 weeks, got pregnant, and had to have a D&C at 8 weeks.

I’ve giving myself a week or two (it’s Christmas anyway) to get back on the skipping breakfast, no snacking, Le diet, and decided (with much hesitation) that I won’t do exercise this time (I did before my BFP for about 10 weeks) because I likely will need a sinus surgery in this silver lining timeframe if it fits in before I get pregnant again (waiting til my period to start OPKs and either once at Positive or E4D.) Trying to do a gentler away and taking out anything that really doesn’t fit or feel right.

Anyway, any suggestions on the above are welcome. My main question is, since I can’t help but feel like it’s something I did... I’m stopping prenatal (and also stopping probiotics I was taking) and just doing folate until BFP ... I’m so confused on the folate. I keep researching here and google and I’m just confused. I was taking 1,000 mcg folate (as metafolin) once a day and when I got my BFP I switched totally to prenatal which has 800 mcg folic acid. Then after my miscarriage I thought maybe that was terrible, that switch, and so I read about taking more for post miscarriage and also gradually cutting back to what’s in prenatal at 12 weeks.

So- now- I got another bottle that I thought was 800 mcg folate so I could more easily switch and subtract when I needed to. But it came in the mail from amazon and it’s Solgar, folate 1,333 mcg DFE (metafolin 800 mcg). And that’s where I’m now more confused. What does that even mean- should I take just one a day or two? And, whenever I next get a BFP, do i continue taking that amount on top of my added prenatal and then cut back at 12 weeks? How do I do that with a pill that’s 1,333 mcg folate (800 mcg metafolin) and maybe that I’m only taking once a day? Just by once every other day?

Any help appreciated! Thanks!

[BeachBabies2]

If it helps or matters, I still have the 1,000 mcg folate (as metafolin) bottle and it says (body ready form), and then the newer bottle with the funky 1,333 mcg folate (800 metafolin) confusion says (heart health) on it.

[ABC.2606]

I don't have advice to offer but I am taking the Solgar Folate (metafolin) but mine just say 800 mcg. I buy them at my grocery store but they look like this: https://www.amazon.com/Solgar-Folate-Metafolin-800-Tablets/dp/B001LR2RVQ/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1513621036&sr=8-1&keywords=solgar%2Bfolate&th=1 I have been taking 2 a day on most days (so 1600 mcg) and have been swaying for 8 months and have had 2 early miscarriages (2nd one was just this past weekend). Because of this 2nd m/c, Atomic has advised me to bump it up to 3 a day - which would be a total of 2400 mcg per day. My understanding is that folate is a safer/better form than folic acid so it's safer to take higher amounts of folate. I don't know about what to do after BFP though so I'd be interested in knowing what Atomic thinks about that. This last pregnancy I just m/c I switched to a prenatal a few days after BFP (which had 800 mcg of folic acid) and stopped the folate. But I'm sure that's not what caused the m/c (blood work showed an impending m/c before I switched to the prenatal).

[BeachBabies2]

If it helps or matters, I still have the 1,000 mcg folate (as metafolin) bottle and it says (body ready form), and then the newer bottle with the funky 1,333 mcg folate (800 metafolin) confusion says (heart health) on it.

[BeachBabies2]

Sorry i didn’t mean to repost that last bit!

[BeachBabies2]

I don't have advice to offer but I am taking the Solgar Folate (metafolin) but mine just say 800 mcg. I buy them at my grocery store but they look like this: https://www.amazon.com/Solgar-Folate-Metafolin-800-Tablets/dp/B001LR2RVQ/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1513621036&sr=8-1&keywords=solgar%2Bfolate&th=1 I have been taking 2 a day on most days (so 1600 mcg) and have been swaying for 8 months and have had 2 early miscarriages (2nd one was just this past weekend). Because of this 2nd m/c, Atomic has advised me to bump it up to 3 a day - which would be a total of 2400 mcg per day. My understanding is that folate is a safer/better form than folic acid so it's safer to take higher amounts of folate. I don't know about what to do after BFP though so I'd be interested in knowing what Atomic thinks about that. This last pregnancy I just m/c I switched to a prenatal a few days after BFP (which had 800 mcg of folic acid) and stopped the folate. But I'm sure that's not what caused the m/c (blood work showed an impending m/c before I switched to the prenatal).

Thank you so much ABC this is so helpful. I have two boys born in 2013 and 2015 as well! I’m sorry to hear you also just had a m/c in December as i did. But nice to be in the same boat as someone.

That is the exact same folate I ordered from amazon. But for some reason when it came, it said that whole weird 1,333 mcg folate DFE (800 mcg metafolin) on the bottle and not just 800 mcg folate as metafolin like I expected it to. So I’m assuming it must be the same thing and maybe I should take 3 a day too? I just don’t know what the whole 1,333 thing versus 800 means. And I’m glad to know it wasn’t the switch that “caused” m/c. I know it’s easy to find something to make sense of it but I also know that mostly, it’s just chromosonally not right from the start. Thank you.

[ABC.2606]

Hmm that is odd. With Amazon it seems like sometimes the packaging of stuff doesn't always match the photos. If it says 800 mcg of folate somewhere on the bottle I'm guessing it's the same stuff.

I'd let atomic advise you on whether to take 3 per day but in my case after two m/c's that were *probably* chromosome-related she thinks it's worth it.

Yea for 2013 & 2015 babies! Do your little guys get along well? Mine are best friends & they also fight nonstop :)

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[ksmom]

DFE just means dietary folate equivalent so it's basically saying that the 1,333 mcg of food folate is the same as 800 mcg of synthetic folate (from a vitamin). When I swayed I had a few miscarriages so Atomic had me take 2000 mcg folate then upon BFP took one folate pill (1,000 mcg) plus my prenatal (1,000mcg folate). After hitting 12 weeks I weaned off it slowly until I was down to one folate pill a week then dropped it and just took a prenatal.

[ksmom]

I agree with ABC to wait and see what Atomic says but she has most people who have had losses take 1600-2000 mcg folate so you'll probably end up at least doubling the amount you're taking now.

[BeachBabies2]

I agree with ABC to wait and see what Atomic says but she has most people who have had losses take 1600-2000 mcg folate so you'll probably end up at least doubling the amount you're taking now.

Thank you so much for that explanation. It’s making more sense now! There seems to be several mcg amounts you can get the pills in so it’s a lot to think about trying to align how many to take and how easy it’ll be to scale back eventually. Thank you again!

[BeachBabies2]

Hmm that is odd. With Amazon it seems like sometimes the packaging of stuff doesn't always match the photos. If it says 800 mcg of folate somewhere on the bottle I'm guessing it's the same stuff.

I'd let atomic advise you on whether to take 3 per day but in my case after two m/c's that were *probably* chromosome-related she thinks it's worth it.

Yea for 2013 & 2015 babies! Do your little guys get along well? Mine are best friends & they also fight nonstop :)

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Yes they love each other so much. They just started playing and talking together more (my younger son is 2 in a few days so he is the end of 2015, and my older is 5 in April), so with the younger talking more and more it’s been fun watching them finally able to play. Best friends and constant fights, yep! Such fun, brothers.

[ABC.2606]

Yes they love each other so much. They just started playing and talking together more (my younger son is 2 in a few days so he is the end of 2015, and my older is 5 in April), so with the younger talking more and more it’s been fun watching them finally able to play. Best friends and constant fights, yep! Such fun, brothers.

Watching two brothers together is seriously the best! As much as I want a little girl, I can't imagine not getting to see the cuteness of two little brothers together!!!!

[BeachBabies2]

Watching two brothers together is seriously the best! As much as I want a little girl, I can't imagine not getting to see the cuteness of two little brothers together!!!!

I was going to say the same thing! It would be so different and fun to have a little girl, but I also know the fun of little brothers and that whole dynamic of the 3 would be truly special too!

[BeachBabies2]

Atomic, could I add to this thread a question about irregular cycles. Since I can’t do the exercise this time around, is there anything else I could be doing? My cycles are never the same, so it’s a long annoying wait to try again when it doesn’t happen. Like a 30 day cycle to a 40 day cycle. We were doing E4D and will do that or one attempt again but sometimes that ends up with maybe another attempt at positive OPK (again) because I get two at different times. Should I take something to regulate my cycle? Or is that boy friendly? I can’t quite ask for Clomid I don’t think because it took 2 cycles to get pregnant this time and now they know i haven’t been waiting 6 months.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh I'm so sorry BB.

Listen to me on folate/folic acid, not Google and not your doctor. I want you guys to wean. No one else thinks it is important but I do. I don't think this caused your miscarriage but I just like you to be on the safest side.

I want you on folate only from here on in. You're going to have to track down a prenatal with folate instead of folic acid. If you are one of the minority of people who can't take folic acid then you need to stay away from FA all together even in food.

I want you to take one or two (whichever you feel more comfy with, your body just pees out the excess) and then add your prenatal (folate only) into that. This may make more sense if you're only taking one of them and not both. Take higher dose all thru the entire first trimester and only once you're at 12 weeks, then gradually wean off of them to the amount in the prenatal and again, I want you on a prenatal that has only folate, no folic acid.

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't have advice to offer but I am taking the Solgar Folate (metafolin) but mine just say 800 mcg. I buy them at my grocery store but they look like this: https://www.amazon.com/Solgar-Folate-Metafolin-800-Tablets/dp/B001LR2RVQ/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1513621036&sr=8-1&keywords=solgar%2Bfolate&th=1 I have been taking 2 a day on most days (so 1600 mcg) and have been swaying for 8 months and have had 2 early miscarriages (2nd one was just this past weekend). Because of this 2nd m/c, Atomic has advised me to bump it up to 3 a day - which would be a total of 2400 mcg per day. My understanding is that folate is a safer/better form than folic acid so it's safer to take higher amounts of folate. I don't know about what to do after BFP though so I'd be interested in knowing what Atomic thinks about that. This last pregnancy I just m/c I switched to a prenatal a few days after BFP (which had 800 mcg of folic acid) and stopped the folate. But I'm sure that's not what caused the m/c (blood work showed an impending m/c before I switched to the prenatal).

It's fine to take more folic acid for those who can tolerate it, too. Those of us like me who had a baby with an NTD are given 4000-5000 folic acid (I took it with my last two pregnancies after my 3rd son had mild spina bifida) Folate is safer for the baby's sake because some people have the mutation that can make folic acid build up in your body (which can cause issues eventually even for you but this is mainly a protection for the baby) and it's better for them to use the folate.

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree with ABC to wait and see what Atomic says but she has most people who have had losses take 1600-2000 mcg folate so you'll probably end up at least doubling the amount you're taking now.

I do prefer people to take more than they were before after suffering a loss and also switch over from FA to folate! thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

Watching two brothers together is seriously the best! As much as I want a little girl, I can't imagine not getting to see the cuteness of two little brothers together!!!!

:agree: I think little boys should come in pairs like shoes and I sometimes have guilt helping people with swaying for a B/G family since I love love love having 2x boys so much I did it twice, separated by 13 years! My older two are 26 and 22 (and are roommates!) and my younger two are 8 (in 2 days) and 9!

And since everyone always wonders, yes same husband. Baby fever is a powerful thing. Poor man. LOL

[ABC.2606]

Oh I'm so sorry BB.

Listen to me on folate/folic acid, not Google and not your doctor. I want you guys to wean. No one else thinks it is important but I do. I don't think this caused your miscarriage but I just like you to be on the safest side.

I want you on folate only from here on in. You're going to have to track down a prenatal with folate instead of folic acid. If you are one of the minority of people who can't take folic acid then you need to stay away from FA all together even in food.

I want you to take one or two (whichever you feel more comfy with, your body just pees out the excess) and then add your prenatal (folate only) into that. This may make more sense if you're only taking one of them and not both. Take higher dose all thru the entire first trimester and only once you're at 12 weeks, then gradually wean off of them to the amount in the prenatal and again, I want you on a prenatal that has only folate, no folic acid.

Atomic - with prenatal vitamins specifically, are you advising folate only (not folic acid) for those who've had miscarriages, and if so is that what you think I should do as well (when I get BFP again)? I've been doing folate the whole time I've been swaying but the prenatals I have have folic acid in them. I've found it pretty dang near impossible to find the perfect prenatal - they all seem to have something I don't like (too much of something, too little of something, the wrong "form" of something, stuff in it I just don't want at all - like extra herbs and whatnot). For example I try to use one that has the beta carotene form of vit A b/c of the concern about getting too amounts of whatever the other synthetic form is, which a lot of them don't use.

Just curious!

[ABC.2606]

:agree: I think little boys should come in pairs like shoes and I sometimes have guilt helping people with swaying for a B/G family since I love love love having 2x boys so much I did it twice, separated by 13 years! My older two are 26 and 22 (and are roommates!) and my younger two are 8 (in 2 days) and 9!

And since everyone always wonders, yes same husband. Baby fever is a powerful thing. Poor man. LOL

I can see that - I come from a B/G family and my brother is 5 years older than me, we have almost nothing in common and we have never been close at all. It also seems like the dynamics in the B/G families I know versus the B/B ones are very different. I do feel like my two are always going to have a very special bond, even though their personalities are very unique!

Your family sounds fantastic, Atomic! And that little girl of yours is too adorable!!!

[mummaofboys]

I am so sorry to hear of your losses ladies. Such a sad thing to have happen.
I have also just had a miscarriage at 8w2d (found at 10w5d) and a d&c.... I was taking a prenatal vitamin as I was unsure what folate supplement to take here in Australia. My prenatal (InNatal by BioCeuticals) contains Calcium Folinate and it says folinic acid. Is that the same as folic acid? I am unsure as to what to do now...keep taking it? Or try to find a folate supplement.

[ksmom]

Atomic - with prenatal vitamins specifically, are you advising folate only (not folic acid) for those who've had miscarriages, and if so is that what you think I should do as well (when I get BFP again)? I've been doing folate the whole time I've been swaying but the prenatals I have have folic acid in them. I've found it pretty dang near impossible to find the perfect prenatal - they all seem to have something I don't like (too much of something, too little of something, the wrong "form" of something, stuff in it I just don't want at all - like extra herbs and whatnot). For example I try to use one that has the beta carotene form of vit A b/c of the concern about getting too amounts of whatever the other synthetic form is, which a lot of them don't use.

Just curious!

I took the Thorne Research Prenatal which has folate in it. It has 3000 IU vitamin A from beta carotene and 2000 from palmitate (which is OK in pregnancy, up to 10,000 IU). There are no herbs or weird ingredients in the prenatal either. You do have to take 3 capsules a day, but I found it easy to just take one at breakfast, one at lunch, then again at dinner. IMO it's better that way then the nutrients are spread out a bit more plus it's less likely to make you nauseous taking so much in one go.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic - with prenatal vitamins specifically, are you advising folate only (not folic acid) for those who've had miscarriages, and if so is that what you think I should do as well (when I get BFP again)? I've been doing folate the whole time I've been swaying but the prenatals I have have folic acid in them. I've found it pretty dang near impossible to find the perfect prenatal - they all seem to have something I don't like (too much of something, too little of something, the wrong "form" of something, stuff in it I just don't want at all - like extra herbs and whatnot). For example I try to use one that has the beta carotene form of vit A b/c of the concern about getting too amounts of whatever the other synthetic form is, which a lot of them don't use.

Just curious!

Yes, I am. If you have suffered a loss(es) and have even the faintest suspicion that it might have been folic/folate related (such as, it happened right after you switched over to folate or had suddenly dropped folate levels without weaning off) OR have had more than one unexplained losses, I want you on ONLY folate and not folic acid in any form. Even things like the folic acid in bread and pasta should be limited as much as possible. It's not only that folate is better, it's that folic acid may be actively bad for some people.

I agree it's hard to find a decent prenatal, I'd LOVE to design one myself LOL if anyone would like to pay me a large sum of money to do that I know exactly what I'd put into it. :)

If you've had unexplained losses you may even want to skip prenatals and do nutrients taken separately if you can find one without the megadoses and weird herbs. You may have to compromise on the B Vitamins and get a B complex with somewhat higher doses and then add folate to that. But do be aware B9 is folic acid so evne a B complex needs to have folate only as well.

[atomic sagebrush]

I can see that - I come from a B/G family and my brother is 5 years older than me, we have almost nothing in common and we have never been close at all. It also seems like the dynamics in the B/G families I know versus the B/B ones are very different. I do feel like my two are always going to have a very special bond, even though their personalities are very unique!

Your family sounds fantastic, Atomic! And that little girl of yours is too adorable!!!

Awww thank you so much! My husband does get along very well with his kid sister (LOL she's 46 years old now haha but he still calls her that) but I do admit I like that brotherly thing my guys have going on. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I am so sorry to hear of your losses ladies. Such a sad thing to have happen.
I have also just had a miscarriage at 8w2d (found at 10w5d) and a d&c.... I was taking a prenatal vitamin as I was unsure what folate supplement to take here in Australia. My prenatal (InNatal by BioCeuticals) contains Calcium Folinate and it says folinic acid. Is that the same as folic acid? I am unsure as to what to do now...keep taking it? Or try to find a folate supplement.

Folinic acid is better than folate, it's also a natural form. I feel better about you guys using folate because I feel that has been better researched than the folinic acid. If you can find a different one, great, if not I'd use folinic acid as a second best

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, could I add to this thread a question about irregular cycles. Since I can’t do the exercise this time around, is there anything else I could be doing? My cycles are never the same, so it’s a long annoying wait to try again when it doesn’t happen. Like a 30 day cycle to a 40 day cycle. We were doing E4D and will do that or one attempt again but sometimes that ends up with maybe another attempt at positive OPK (again) because I get two at different times. Should I take something to regulate my cycle? Or is that boy friendly? I can’t quite ask for Clomid I don’t think because it took 2 cycles to get pregnant this time and now they know i haven’t been waiting 6 months.

Oh whoops I think I missed this question. If you're doing every 4 days don't do the OPK. You don't need to do them. If you've gotten pregnant with e4d before. You only add in an additional attempt at positive OPK once you've tried for a few months doing straight up e4d.

Are you doing the alternate diet? http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-a-girl-best-practices/1865-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-1-blood-sugar-issues.html?1865-Swaying-under-special-circumstances-Part-1-Blood-sugar-issues=

[BeachBabies2]

Oh I'm so sorry BB.

Listen to me on folate/folic acid, not Google and not your doctor. I want you guys to wean. No one else thinks it is important but I do. I don't think this caused your miscarriage but I just like you to be on the safest side.

I want you on folate only from here on in. You're going to have to track down a prenatal with folate instead of folic acid. If you are one of the minority of people who can't take folic acid then you need to stay away from FA all together even in food.

I want you to take one or two (whichever you feel more comfy with, your body just pees out the excess) and then add your prenatal (folate only) into that. This may make more sense if you're only taking one of them and not both. Take higher dose all thru the entire first trimester and only once you're at 12 weeks, then gradually wean off of them to the amount in the prenatal and again, I want you on a prenatal that has only folate, no folic acid.

So I should take just one, of the 1,333 mcg folate (800 mcg Metafolin)? And then at BFP I should start doing the prenatal and the same amount of folate until 12 weeks, and then wean as in like 1 every other day for a while instead of 1 a day and then spaced out more and more until at prenatal?

How would I find out if I had that situation where I can’t handle folic acid? I haven’t had any issues before with it. Also now I’m worried because you mentioned limiting folic acid in pasta and bread and I definitely eat those things often with my swaying. Should I switch diets? You asked if I was doing an alternate diet when I asked about my cycles, and I am not. I’m doing regular LE, I did it for 16 weeks before this m/c and Lost weight. I figured I would just be gentler about it this time, more leanient. Should I switch diets? I looked at the fertility diet but it seemed similar to how I ate with my boys and I don’t see a reason that I need any of the others diets, but I’m open to your thoughts.

As far as OPKs, I did them last time we did E4D just to know what was going on, and the time I got pregnant we ended up doing it again at positive OPK because I didn’t think I could keep up the exercise and diet much longer. This time I feel similar, we will try E4D, with or without OPK but then is it better to try to first cycle post miscarriage as a tactic and do the plus one then or just do E4D for a few months then add that? I’m not being as strict or doing exercise this time so I guess I can hang on for longer with just doing E4D.

And thank you for your kind words. And the info on your family! So cute! So lovely. Boys are awesome and their relationships are amazing to see. Thank you.

That Thorne prenatal sounds good! But now I should also think about the B6 in it? I would never have known that’s related to folic acid.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes exactly. That's just what I'd have you do. :agree:

You would have to be tested for MTHFR mutation. Some docs don't believe in it and won't do the test. It's pretty unlikely you have it but it's just any time there seems to be something with folate going on I like to err on the side of caution.

Standard LE is fine if it worked for you and you lost some weight. I generally have people switch since the alternate LE is better for egg quality but you don't have to.

I have no data about when it's best to do e4d or add the extra attempt. We just don't have the info to know, I'm sorry.

The LE Diet has enough B6 in it and you will be starting the prenatal at BFP anyway. No need for additional B6.

[BeachBabies2]

Thank you so much as alaways, Atomic. Now I’m just unsure about if I should switch diets. Maybe it would be easier to stick to and better for egg quality if I switched? To the Atomic Fertility Diet? I think that’s what you’re thinking? Is skipping breakfast still involved? I assume so. And the coffee/alcohol part too? I was going to be doing the LE in a more gentle way anyway which would involve not tracking, the allowance of small amounts of meat, eggs, and a little more protein and fat than I was allowing before, and I don’t feel like eating candy or drinking soda to add the extra calories this time so I was sort of swapping that for just allowing a little more cheese dairy meat or eggs than I did before. Before I still ate plenty of veggies, and will still do so. I switched to only vegetable oil before but now I’ll allow some olive oil back in. Things like that. I’ll eat breakfast if I really want to one day. So, I want to look over the other diets more thoroughly now. But I recall that when I was looking at the AFD it felt “too healthy”, or too similar to how I ate when I got my boys (although I’m sure I ate way more often and more amount/portion wise when I got them) so I just kind of let it go. But, I’ll read more into it, and I’d also like any thoughts you have. I know it’s kind of a personal choice now.

[atomic sagebrush]

It's better for egg quality, harder to stick to IMO. Honestly I"d probably just stick with the changes you're making first and see how it goes if you're worried since you got your boys eating like that.

Yes, you still skip breakfast and have coffee and alcohol.

Totally up to you but the alternate diets have gotten good results.

[BeachBabies2]

Thank you!!

[gafan]

beginning my sway a month or two after my first miscarriage.
Atomic, would you still suggest considering nutrients taken separately after unexpected pregnancy loss if I've already had a healthy pregnancy using the same prenatal? My first pregnancy I had been taking folic acid while swaying and switched to a prenatal. Recent pregnancy loss (almost 8 wks development) I was taking prenatal vitamin sometimes before and always after BFP and wished I had been taking folic acid or prenatal for months before... I was eating some folate rich foods and quite a few processed breads/cookies but usually had organic breads/cereals that weren't fortified. So I just don't know how much folic acid was available to that embryo. The doctor said it was probably just a problem with genes unfolding properly, but I've been fighting occasional thoughts that I contributed to my loss by not having enough folic acid in my diet.

[atomic sagebrush]

Most losses are chromosomal and completely out of our control.

I want you guys to take folic or folate only for swaying since prenatals may sway blue. Then I want you to continue the higher dose of f/fa till the end of the first trimester (even while taking prenatal which you should start at BFP) and then gradually wean off by spacing doses further and further out till down to the amount in a prenatal.

I am not entirely following your question about nutrients taken separately?

[gafan]

Thanks, that makes sense.
The nutrients taken separately questioned stemmed from this "If you've had unexplained losses you may even want to skip prenatals and do nutrients taken separately if you can find one without the megadoses and weird herbs. You may have to compromise on the B Vitamins and get a B complex with somewhat higher doses and then add folate to that. But do be aware B9 is folic acid so evne a B complex needs to have folate only as well. "
It sounded like for some women it may make more sense to put together our own nutrient supplements rather than taking a prenatal.

[atomic sagebrush]

LOL I meant if you CAN"T find one without megadoses and weird herbs. (had more than my fair share of typos in that, so sorry)

Some people really have a hard time finding multivitamins with folate that do not also have massive doses of other nutrients (I am not a fan of taking megadoses of anything you don't need) or herbal components in them. For whatever reason many of the companies that put folate in their vitamins, will also cram them full of other things many of which may even be harmful (and very likely will mess up a sway, at any rate) so in that case you would be better off taking nutrients on their own rather than a multivitamin that either has folic acid in it or else one that has a bunch of weird herbs and megadose other things.

[BeachBabies2]

Hi Atomic,

After LE diet since June and my first miscarriage in December, I am half switched to atomic fertility diet, for fertility and also I’ve been having recurrent YI, due to antibiotics but also I think LE diet. It feels scary though because AFD is similar to how I ate when I got my boys. Is it okay to be less strict with it if I’m not doing it for blood sugar reasons or does it only work well when followed more strictly? Talking with my doc about a diflucan regimine to be stopped whenever I find out I’m pregnant- which is just to take one pill each month at the time i start to feel symptoms which is usually a week before AF. Would that sway at all? I really want to take fem-dophilus to see if that helps but I’m assuming that’s a bad idea for a girl sway. They said taking probiotics isn’t a bad idea, would you think all probiotics are the same- ones for stomach, and ones geared for reproductive area? They mentioned eating yogurt obviously, which I do, often, amongst some other probiotic natural foods. I don’t see that that helps. Starting exercise after our March vacation so it won’t affect this cycle (would only be about 2-3 weeks before attempt) but would set me up for the next one if needed, with more like 5 weeks in. Hard to start in the 2ww but i think that makes sense? I’m worried about dropping too many things that felt girl friendly the further down the road I get here. I am definitely not as strict as I was previously. Any thoughts? Or clarifications I can make?

[atomic sagebrush]

The AFD seems to be MORE reliable for swaying than standard LE (although we're not sure if that is a true finding or a statistical quirk, since different groups of people use the two diets) So don't feel like you're selling yourself short, I suspect if you think about it AFD is still different from what you were doing when you got your boys.

The trouble with probiotics for YI is that not only do they very likely sway blue, they don't cure your yeast infection. For oral probiotics to help with YI, you have to take them, the microbes colonize your intestines, then they grow out your bottom and up into your VJ and outcompete the yeast and then eventually the yeast will mostly die out (which is not only a gross process to consider, but is also time consuming!!) They really are not the best way to go for fast acting relief with yeast. Eating yogurt is really not the best advice and is barely better than useless since very few of the microbes survive the stomach acid. Yogurt is great for upper digestive tract issues (such as oral thrush and keeping a healthy biome in your mouth, breathing passages, and esophagus but it is even less effective at curing vaginal YI than probiotics are. I would not jeopardize my sway taking the probiotics for something that probably won't do a whole lot for the YI anyway.

So I'd have you do the diflucan and then follow this up by actually using natural, unsweetened yogurt such as Mountain High as a vaginal cream which will then repopulate the area with healthy microorganisms and prevent the yeast from just growing back again. Knock it back with the medication, then follow up with the yogurt, but actually apply it to the area (it is safe to do this) and don't just eat it for the reasons I outlined in the above paragraph. Once you get pregnant I absolutely would start taking femdophilus or whatever probiotic you'd like, but it's just that it is better as an ongoing preventative and not a quick cure when you're in misery!!

:agree: starting exercise

Everyone gets less strict over time, and yet we still have good results!!! I know it feels counterintiutive but sometimes we have to give up control over things and it only benefits our sways to do that. It's the people who manage to stay super strict doing 9 zillion things for months on end that end up having blue opposites, I believe because they can't let go of their control freakishness!!

[BeachBabies2]

Hi! Thanks so much as usual. I think I’ve got a handle on the idea of the AFD and I agree that when I really look at it, it’s still different than what I did naturally when I got my boys. Thanks for the YI talk. The yogurt topically is great I’ve done that before so thanks for the support to do diflucan and that as well. Ideally I would take fem dophilus now so that when I get pregnant I have less issues but that’s what I wanted your advice on so thanks for giving it! I will wait until I get pregnant to start those probiotics. For exercise - is it worth having a couple weeks in with a possible break or rocky chunk for vacation before next attempt? Or worth just starting right after vacation, during the 2ww, as a set up for the next round? Thanks again!

[BeachBabies2]

... and thanks for the support on the length of the swaying and control - totally makes sense! It’s so nice that you completely understand. Obviously you do! Haha

[gafan]

Hi! Thanks so much as usual. I think I’ve got a handle on the idea of the AFD and I agree that when I really look at it, it’s still different than what I did naturally when I got my boys. Thanks for the YI talk. The yogurt topically is great I’ve done that before so thanks for the support to do diflucan and that as well. Ideally I would take fem dophilus now so that when I get pregnant I have less issues but that’s what I wanted your advice on so thanks for giving it! I will wait until I get pregnant to start those probiotics. For exercise - is it worth having a couple weeks in with a possible break or rocky chunk for vacation before next attempt? Or worth just starting right after vacation, during the 2ww, as a set up for the next round? Thanks again!I am following to see what Atomic says about starting exercise now or later, interesting question.

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[BeachBabies2]

I also am finding the AFD hard to stick to, though I like it better. Is it okay to be loose with it or will that have higher backfire potential?

[atomic sagebrush]

Agh thanks for bumping, I had this open to answer and then my husband shut it and I've been looking ever since.

I'd start exercise now before your vacation if you can. A lot of times people find they exercise more during their vacation than they think they will!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I also am finding the AFD hard to stick to, though I like it better. Is it okay to be loose with it or will that have higher backfire potential?

As long as you don't have full blown PCO or IR then it's ok to relax a BIT on the overall strictures - white rice is the best switch to make (since white rice may be tolerated better than things like white flour) but having some sugar now and then, or white pasta (I cannot stand wheat pasta LOL) occasionally that's ok. Remember the 80-20 rule - you get 80% of results from 20% of the effort and to get the remaining 20% of effort you have to expend 80% of the results.