Using preseed TTC Girl

[Pbn3]

From memory I thought preseed was no longer something that was considered to sway strongly blue anymore. Atomic and anyone else, can you please advise on this? Do you think using just a very small amount of preseed (enough to make scheduled bd's a little more comfortable) is fine when swaying pink? I have seen numerous girls conceived (unsuccessful boy sways) that used preseed and I thought I remember reading something awhile back that there wasn't the data/results to support that it helped sway one way or another? Thank you!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Small amount of Preseed seems to be neutral and thus I allow pink swayers who have been TTC a long time (so that we've dropped all other lubes and jellies) to use a bare minimum amount as a lubricant. I've been doing this for the last 18 months or so and our results are the same as ever.

Large amounts of Preseed seem to sway blue. Virtually all my blue swayers use it and so as a result, people who conceive opposites use it too. If I thought it swayed pink I'd not recommend it.

Lots of blue swayers have little to no EWCM and have to use Preseed to compensate for that. There is no other safe option for them. I do not believe Preseed sways pink, no way, no how. :)

[nyc0404]

Small amount of Preseed seems to be neutral and thus I allow pink swayers who have been TTC a long time (so that we've dropped all other lubes and jellies) to use a bare minimum amount as a lubricant. I've been doing this for the last 18 months or so and our results are the same as ever.

Large amounts of Preseed seem to sway blue. Virtually all my blue swayers use it and so as a result, people who conceive opposites use it too. If I thought it swayed pink I'd not recommend it.

Lots of blue swayers have little to no EWCM and have to use Preseed to compensate for that. There is no other safe option for them. I do not believe Preseed sways pink, no way, no how. :)How about sylk?? Better for pink than preseed?

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[Pbn3]

Thanks Atomic! I asked on behalf of a lady who has been ttc quite awhile, has miscarried twice and is taking femara so I didn't think a small amount of preseed would sway blue overmuch for her but wanted to double check. Definately don't want to use regular lube as she's started smep last cycle to increase odds of conception.

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[Girlswaylondon]

What about normal lube does that sway at all? Sometimes I find I’m quite dry (tmi) and need to use it, it’s just a brand from amazon!

[Pbn3]

Girlswaylondon most regular lubes aren't very kind to sperm so in that sense sway pink however they also lower odds of conception quite a bit and therefore is one of the first pink sway tactics that is dropped :)

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[Igglepigglepink]

How much preseed is ok, 1 gram or less ?

[Girlswaylondon]

Thanks pbn! This is the brand https://www.amazon.co.uk/Super-Slik-Waterbased-Lubricant-250/dp/B005OKVR44

Waterbased not sure that makes any difference! But dtd can be hard without it sometimes especially since I’m avoiding the big O!

[Pbn3]

Igglepink a small amount of preseed can go a very long way. I'd insert no more than 1-2cm (if you're using the applicator) and just a small (like 5 or 10 cent coin size) to use on dh. Maybe wait for Atomic to answer though as I'm assuming that would classify as a small amount but better to wait for clarification from her [emoji4]

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[Pbn3]

Girlswaylondon being water based doesn't make it sperm friendly, I'm pretty sure that would be classed as a regular lube. I'm not saying you won't get pregnant if you use sperm killing lube because you can for sure (hence the warning on them to not be used as birth control [emoji6]) but it can definately make it harder to conceive. If you've been at it a few cycles then maybe it's time to switch to a sperm friendly one and use it sparingly?

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[atomic sagebrush]

How about sylk?? Better for pink than preseed?

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Possibly, but the catch is that none of the alleged pink sway jellies have even worked (same number of people getting girls with and without them, and it's been the same as the overall success rates of the site, leading one to conclude they are not doing anything) and worse, they are really, really cutting odds of conception. So if you want something that doesn't seem to work and will possibly keep you from getting pregnant, then I suppose Sylk is better LOL.

At this point I think you guys are best off just using nothing if you can stand it and then after 6 months or so (sooner if on Clomid) use a teensy amount of Preseed or Conceive Plus.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks Atomic! I asked on behalf of a lady who has been ttc quite awhile, has miscarried twice and is taking femara so I didn't think a small amount of preseed would sway blue overmuch for her but wanted to double check. Definately don't want to use regular lube as she's started smep last cycle to increase odds of conception.

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:agree: yes that is exactly right, thank you so very much, precisely what I'd have her do. Thank you so very much!

[atomic sagebrush]

What about normal lube does that sway at all? Sometimes I find I’m quite dry (tmi) and need to use it, it’s just a brand from amazon!

All lubes that are not marketed as "sperm safe, conception friendly" probably sway pink. I have an essay about it here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/1134-lure-lubes.html

The downside of lubes as a whole is that they can really cut odds of conception (which is why the sperm safe lubes were invented in the first place, of course) You can get pregnant while using them esp. if you use a small amount but that is the risk of them. EVen saliva may kill sperm! So balance the need for the lube with the amount you use plus your desire to boost odds of conception in any given month.

[atomic sagebrush]

Girlswaylondon being water based doesn't make it sperm friendly, I'm pretty sure that would be classed as a regular lube. I'm not saying you won't get pregnant if you use sperm killing lube because you can for sure (hence the warning on them to not be used as birth control [emoji6]) but it can definately make it harder to conceive. If you've been at it a few cycles then maybe it's time to switch to a sperm friendly one and use it sparingly?

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:agree: :agree: :agree: exactly, well put, thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

How much preseed is ok, 1 gram or less ?

I would not start measuring the amounts and stuff, just use the minimum possible amount you can get away with for comfy intercourse. Even just a small dab may help.

[atomic sagebrush]

Igglepink a small amount of preseed can go a very long way. I'd insert no more than 1-2cm (if you're using the applicator) and just a small (like 5 or 10 cent coin size) to use on dh. Maybe wait for Atomic to answer though as I'm assuming that would classify as a small amount but better to wait for clarification from her [emoji4]

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:agree: I'd even try for less than that, if you can. Sometimes just a little lube is all that's needed and I'd start off with a fingertip applied to DH and see if it's enough before adding more. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks Atomic! I asked on behalf of a lady who has been ttc quite awhile, has miscarried twice and is taking femara so I didn't think a small amount of preseed would sway blue overmuch for her but wanted to double check. Definately don't want to use regular lube as she's started smep last cycle to increase odds of conception.

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And thanks again for asking, I ended up adding this thread to the Complete Index, saves me from having to write a how-to essay! You're a gem!

[MamaT]

AS, my OB recommended using coconut oil as a natural lubricant. Do you know if this decreases chances of pregnancy? Or if it helps sway one way or another?

[atomic sagebrush]

NO COCONUT OIL. I would like to find every doc saying this and smack them around LOL (not really)

Sperm is not meant to swim through oil. People can get pregnant using coconut oil, and it's a good lube, but I do believe it cuts odds of conception (I have had several people who were not getting pregnant for no apparent reason and then I had them drop coconut oil lube and they got pregnant right away - this doesn't mean it was because of the coconut oil, but when we know that even very natural things like saliva kill sperm, I just don't think the coco oil is a wise idea). Plus, we don't know how it sways.

[Jessirberger]

EVen saliva may kill sperm! So balance the need for the lube with the amount you use plus your desire to boost odds of conception in any given month.

Ok, this is probably tmi, but oh well- no saliva? So this would mean no blow jobs as part of foreplay?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Here's the thing - it's very unlikely that for a normal average couple, a little saliva will harm their chances at all. I mean, since the dawn of time saliva's been in use pretty frequently, LOL.

But if a couple is already having trouble conceiving we'd want to remove any possible issues that might be lowering their odds. This doesn't translate to then that everyone needs to avoid saliva, just that it has been shown to kill sperm so anyone who's needing to improve their chances will want to skip it (and anyone swaying blue!)