Contemplating more relaxed sway after sway opposite, need advise.

[Kelbear]

Hoping for some advise. I have a beautiful DS 5 months old who is my sway opposite (but so loved by his big brother and I agree now with atomic that little boys should come in pairs ��). Last sway I was on the LE diet for nearly 6 months with exercise, coffee, alcohol and one attempt. I was a bit sway obsessed I think (in my nature unfortunately)I think that had a lot to do with me getting my opposite. We are not sure we are even going to try for a third child but I would still dearly love a DD. I am hoping to start a relaxed version of the LE PCOS diet for the few months in the hope I can convince DH to try again as we are both getting older (I'm 37, he's 45) time is not our friend. This time I don't think I can comit to regular exercise 6 days a week as I just am too tired and don't have time (should I do none or just moderate or will that sway blue?)and I don't want to track everything I eat as this just fed into my previous eating disorder tendencies last time. So I am after advise as to how to go about this in the most relaxed way I can but still increase my chances of having a girl. I have had to stop breastfeeding DS due to his health issues and hope that won't sway too blue for me. Any suggestions as to how to do the PCOS version of LE without obsessing over food would be appreciated. Also is alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar ok on PCOS LE diet or better avoided?

I am also going to take the pill for the next few months until hubby decides if he is prepared to try for #3 or have a vasectomy. How many months in advance before any attempt would I need to stop this?

[atomic sagebrush]

kel, can you bump this for me? thought I'd have time to get to it today, but I am wiped out!

[Kelbear]

Bumping for atomic :happy:

[Kelbear]

Though I would also ask re cardio - last time I started doing 60 mins walking 5-6 times s week but towards the end of 6 months ttc dropped toaround 4-5 days per week as didn't have the energy or much weight left to spare. Should I just leave it out completely this time or start and do my best (unlikely to be able to do more than 4-5 times a week especially in the hot weather as have to drag my boys with me) and only have around 3-4 kg to play with this time. I don't want to drop more than that as starting to get into dangerous territory for me re ovulation and eating disordered thinking.

[Kelbear]

Bumping in the hope for some advise

[atomic sagebrush]

Do you actually have PCOS or more than 30-50 lbs to spare??? Sometimes I will have people do moderate exercise in that case because the benefits to blood sugar and weight loss outweigh the risk to growing muscle.

So what I'd have you do for now is just go vegetarian with an emphasis on whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. Don't worry about any of the rest of it for now.

Yes, coffee with milk and alcohol are both allowed on LE Diet. I would skip the sugar for the PCO version.

Re the pill - coming off of it right before you are ready to try to conceive may help your pink sway. So I'd stay on it till the month you're ready to start trying. Then once you're off it either start e4d or doing OPK in preparation for one attempt at first positive.

[atomic sagebrush]

Though I would also ask re cardio - last time I started doing 60 mins walking 5-6 times s week but towards the end of 6 months ttc dropped toaround 4-5 days per week as didn't have the energy or much weight left to spare. Should I just leave it out completely this time or start and do my best (unlikely to be able to do more than 4-5 times a week especially in the hot weather as have to drag my boys with me) and only have around 3-4 kg to play with this time. I don't want to drop more than that as starting to get into dangerous territory for me re ovulation and eating disordered thinking.

Probably leave it out totally unless you have moderate to severe PCO or else more than 30 lbs to lose (which I see you don't)

[Kelbear]

Thank you so much for your reply. I don't have PCOS but had gestational diabetes with DS 1 and although passed all the tests with DS 2 he was over 9lb so think there might be some insulin resistance or something going (possibly due to years of starving myself in my teenage years/20s).
I will leave out exercise for now and try to go whole grain/fruitveg with a little chicken (almost impossible to go full vegetarian in my household but will try my best).
Is it ok to have some chicken if I need to ensure I get enough protein?
Don't think I can do no sugar in my coffee so is it better to just leave it out altogether than have one or two with sugar in them? I have one in the am (substitute breakfast) then the other with my lunch
I will stay on the pill til I can 100%convince hubby to try for #3. Hoping I can convince him sooner rather than later as don't want to be another 6+ months on diet.
Thanks again for your advise.

[MiaMelb]

Hi Kelbear, it's nice seeing your name start popping up again. Congrats on DS2. Where in Aust are you from?

I can empathise with you re trying for #3. Unfortunately I didn't know about swaying prior to DD2 so I don't understand the added complexity of already having swayed and having had an opposite. I will be interested to see how your journey goes and who knows potentially see you in the ttc/2ww or due date forum.

[Kelbear]

Thanks MiaMelb. I took a break from here for a while after it was confirmed I was having a second boy as I needed to get my head around my disappointment and it seemed almost everyone else was getting their desired gender but me and I felt like such a failure. Now DS2 has joined our family I wouldn't have it any other way. My two boys are so close already and I am sure they will be best mates for a long time. If I don't get a chance to try for a Dd though I will be disappointed as I still feel like there is room for one more child in our family and although I would dearly love a little girl I would love another boy too if that's what we got but not sure ican convince hubby. I think if I could guarantee a DD he might be more willing to try but he says two is enough financially etc. I am keen to try a loose sway for the next few months in the hope I can change his mind. I had a fairly strict sway last time (especially for the first 3-4 months but had to relax a little after 6 months ttc) so this time I am not going to get obsessive and just go with the flow as much as I can ( will still obsess a bit no doubt). Fingers crossed your sway works. If I can convince hubby to try we will ttc from march as I want 10 weeks on LE first as had reverted to very boy friendly diet post having DS.

[atomic sagebrush]

You don't need to go full vegetarian on PCOS-type diet anyway. I was just having you do that as an effortless, no tracking way to sway that has worked for some people. Having chicken, fish, shellfish is fine now and then on the alternate diet.

Dairy and eggs are another way to get protein. Be sure you're doing full fat dairy only as skim dairy is bad for blood sugar.

No, i want you to do the coffee. Coffee with sugar at a meal is ok. In the morning, technically it's a no-no but personally I chose to have sugar in my coffee (since I already knew after DS 4 I could be miserable for months and get a boy anyway,and no sugar in my coffee saps my will to live LOL, I chose to cheat that way) and I still got a girl. But then again I don't have PCO-tendencies or gestational diabetes either, so.

If you're not sure if you can convince hubby I would hold off doing diet for now. I don't think it's in your best interests going all in on diet if you're not even sure if you can talk him around for some time. Just my 2 cents there, follow your heart on that.

[Kelbear]

Thanks atomic. I will keep in coffee but maybe try to have no sugar or very little sugar in the am one and some sugar with my lunch time coffee. I too am not sure whether or not to do the LE diet again yet but I know if I have any chance of convincing hubby to try again it will only be a small window of opportunity before I go back to shift work and before age counts is out so I think I would regret not trying to be more pink friendly now if he decided in a few months that we could try again. Now just not a great time to talk to him about it as he is super stressed at work and no hope while DS2 waking multiple times a night still. I will try to stay relaxed with my sway now until I know whether there is a real chance for us to try again then maybe be strict lee in the last month or so
Is it still ok to have milk (full cream) in am coffee? Definitely can't drop that and the sugar or I will lose my will to live too

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I always let everyone do milk/cream in coffee!! We can't live like that! :) We still get girls that way.

I understand totally what you're saying, exactly what I did, my hubs was saying no, no, no more kids but still was NTNP and then I was ready when the stars fell into alignment. Follow your gut on that.

[Kelbear]

Thank you again atomic for your reply. I will just try to stick loosely to LE PCOS diet without obsessing and let myself cheat if we are out to dinner etc and just be as relaxed as I can in case hubby decides we can go for it as I really feel like my obsessiveness will backfire on me again if I let it. It's tough as I want to give this final sway 100% but on the other hand I don't think that will help as I feel in my gut just being more relaxed about it all might be better than throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it again especially if it is all for nothing if hubby decides we definitely can't try again.

[Kelbear]

Just wondering the best way to slow down weight loss on alternate diet? Have been trying to loosely follow PCO style Le diet for past 10 weeks (not really closely trackingCals fat or protein as tracking not good for me but have a feeling I am around 1800 Cals and 50-60g fat and protein), having small serves of chicken/eggs/full fat dairy twice day and sticking to fruit and whole grains as much as I can and coffee with milk and sugar in the am (bad I know but just can't cope without as not sure how long til hubby might agree to try for #3) and 1-2 glasses of wine with dinner. I have lost 5 kg in 10 weeks without exercise and am little concerned about losing too much more as bmi just on 20 so little room to spare but not much. What can I add in to slow the weight loss? Any advice would be appreciated.

[atomic sagebrush]

Eat more calories and even start slowly adding small amounts of sugar or white carbs to keep weight on.

No more weight loss, stop losing and try to hold steady where you are at. :)

[Kelbear]

Thanks atomic, appreciate your advice ��