TTC a girl after 3 sons. Teach us!

[SisterForSons]

Hi and thanks for reading! I've been researching and have gotten some information, though some of it conflicting (i.e. avoid nutrient dense food, but get lots of calcium and magnesium).
Methods:
Track ovulation. BD up until 2 days before O.
Eat low calories, maintain low body fat, do cardio exercise
Eat low nutrient foods, like iceberg lettuce and white rice (for at least 8 weeks before ttc)
Avoid salt and potassium


Is that it? Is there anything else I can do? Anything my husband can do? How about supplements? I saw lime douching written a few places. Thank you for the guidance! We are hopeful for our girl!

[ksmom]

Welcome! What you're describing is more of a mix of IG/old school sways. We do LE diet here and it's 1500-1800 cals, 30-60g fat, 40-50g protein. ALL foods are allowed so please do not just eat lettuce and rice. It is not a starvation diet and you can eat whatever you like. It is probably best to avoid fortified foods like cereal but all foods are allowed within limits. We used to think that the diet needed to be low nutrient, but that is not the case! You can still have fruits, veggies, dairy, grains, meat, beans, egg etc. Low carb veggies are free (don't count calories/fat/protein) and high carb veggies and fruit count calories but not fat or protein. DO NOT avoid salt or potassium. You can die not getting enough of those. You can salt your food to taste. Please don't try to get your body fat really low as ovulation can stop. LE diet is designed to be safe for TTC so please don't go below the calorie, fat, or protein recommendations or eat a diet of just cucumbers and rice (yes people have done that).

We don't recommend timing for BD. We've found one attempt at positive OPK sways pink. Cardio does sway pink too but if you're already on the low end of normal for BMI, then I'd either skip it or up calories to avoid weight loss. It needs to be 60 minutes (one block of time) and at least 4 days a week has gotten best results. I'd skip the douching as it reduces odds of pregnancy too much. Your husband doesn't have to sway but if he wants to, he can bike or jog, cut down or eliminate red meat, or smoke. Atomic can advise you on supplements for him as it depends on age and health factors. We haven't found any supplements for the woman that benefits a pink sway other than Clomid or Femara. Fiber and alcohol are also good pink sway tactics to add in.

[SisterForSons]

Thank you, ksmom! There's so much information to sort through on the internet. LE means low everything? So, low calorie diet, and follow the macronutrients breakdown that you described. I'm not low on BMI, so I could make an effort there with exercise. Swaying pink can happen with LE diet and OPK alone? Since third son I've thought maybe we only make one gender, but I know it's not impossible.

[ksmom]

You're welcome! Yes LE stands for "low everything" but Atomic has said she regrets ever calling it that because people take it to extremes, thinking it means starvation. It's just a lower amount of what most of us boy moms were eating when we got boys. Just stick with the calorie, fat, and protein guideline I posted above and you'll be fine. You can definitely just do diet and one attempt for a pink sway. You certainly don't have to do everything under the sun. I have three boys as well so I know the feeling of "maybe I can't make girls" but it is possible! I've seen many ladies here with 3, 4, 5+ boys do a pink sway and get a girl or girls. We have about a 65-70% success rate for pink so pretty good!

[ksmom]

I should mention, take folic acid or folate (preferably the latter). It is recommended for ALL swayers.

[nyc0404]

I should mention, take folic acid or folate (preferably the latter). It is recommended for ALL swayers.How long should one take folate for? Plan to do the LE diet for 12 weeks before my one attempt..so folate for the 12 weeks while doing diet?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome! I saw this come in and then it kept getting away from me LOL!!

Do NOT do daily BD up to a cutoff. Since we have found one attempt to sway and timing has been debunked, it's a recipe for another boy to have lots of attempts. and remember, you can also always O early which means you could end up BD right up to ovulation!! Even though timing doesn't work, it is not a chance people who want timing in their sway should take!!

Please please stay in the limits that ks has laid out (thanks ks!!) We have soo much trouble with people cutting back too far, it's just not worth the risk!

Re potassium, the only reason why this was ever part of swaying is that in the mineral balancing diets, they had people drinking tons and tons of dairy (which is loaded with potassium) while trying to stick under 3500 mg potassium a day. To do this they had to cut way back on all other potassium foods. In LE Diet (and really, even in many of the mineral balancing people's diets, the way most people end up doing them) you don't get that much potassium from dairy, and so if you try to limit potassium on top of that it really is tough to get the minimum 2500 mg potassium you need to live!! So it's really very risky to limit potassium unless you're drinking lots of dairy.

Cal/mag at your discretion, didn't work for me but if you believe in it use supplements only, not dairy, and don't take Vit. D with it.

Sodium - we have all but given this up and our results onlly went up when we did. Plus makes it WAY easier to stick to diet!

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh whoops hit send too soon - it's hard for me to advise on hubby and supplements without info about your overall health, age, medication, etc.

RE lime douching, very few of us go in for that (which is part of the reason why we started this site!) I do have the info available for those that want it in the Dream Members section but we really have not found pH to be in any way helpful and it's something most of us have given up on.

[atomic sagebrush]

How long should one take folate for? Plan to do the LE diet for 12 weeks before my one attempt..so folate for the 12 weeks while doing diet?

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I like you to do folate the full 12 weeks in case something happens and you get preggo sooner than you plan to, and also because that's the lifespan of the egg and a big study has shown higher dose folate/FA may help prevent chromosomal defects with eggs such as Down Syndrome.

[lovellcute]

Just want to say
I did the le diet for 12 weeks before ttc (conceived second month)
Was at upper limits due to low bmi and breastfeeding
Very little meat!
Coffee in the morning
One glass of alcohol every other day
No snacking AT ALL, ate 3 times a day!
Didn't do the exercise
Or take any supplements or any douches
My partner had taken up bike riding a few months before not to sway tho just coincidence!
He ate the same as me in the evenings so technically less meat etc but no other changes for him
We had one attempt at positive ovulation result, I used clear blue

And my sway worked, I am 100% convinced I am pregnant with a girl because of swaying!
My whole diet and eating habits changed dramatically and I feel that was the main factor
Also one attempt

Good luck!! The diet seems overwhelming at the beginning but it's really not that bad :) xx


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[SisterForSons]

Thank you for sharing your experience and congratulations on your sway!!

[SisterForSons]

I have been tracking my ovulation. When should we try? When the line is faint? Does the positive result mean that I am ovulating or that LH is high and I am going to ovulate a couple of days later? What’s the difference between trying once and trying multiple times up until a certain day. What is the difference in philosophy? Why choose one over the other? Thanks for explaining!

[SisterForSons]

Any tips for vitamins? I understand about folic acid. How about others? Anything to boost or avoid?

[Parying4agirl]

Just want to say
I did the le diet for 12 weeks before ttc (conceived second month)
Was at upper limits due to low bmi and breastfeeding
Very little meat!
Coffee in the morning
One glass of alcohol every other day
No snacking AT ALL, ate 3 times a day!
Didn't do the exercise
Or take any supplements or any douches
My partner had taken up bike riding a few months before not to sway tho just coincidence!
He ate the same as me in the evenings so technically less meat etc but no other changes for him
We had one attempt at positive ovulation result, I used clear blue

And my sway worked, I am 100% convinced I am pregnant with a girl because of swaying!
My whole diet and eating habits changed dramatically and I feel that was the main factor
Also one attempt

Good luck!! The diet seems overwhelming at the beginning but it's really not that bad :) xx


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Hoping i have similar luck to you.
My habits are similar to yours, although ive been tracking since early feb so only 6 weeks. Only had red meat once and try avoid chicken u less i need to help add protein. No exercise as im prob close to underweight anyways.. going to attempt this month as I dont wanna be on the diet long and loose weight. Just started my coffee though... praying it works
Hope you get your pink ☺️

[SisterForSons]

Hoping i have similar luck to you.
My habits are similar to yours, although ive been tracking since early feb so only 6 weeks. Only had red meat once and try avoid chicken u less i need to help add protein. No exercise as im prob close to underweight anyways.. going to attempt this month as I dont wanna be on the diet long and loose weight. Just started my coffee though... praying it works
Hope you get your pink ☺️

Is it low meat or low protein that we are going for? If low meat, how does this help? I’m very curious about the science behind this philosophy, and also want to understand so that I can make sure I don’t mess up.
By the way, it’s so nice to have somewhere to discuss these things. Thanks to admin! I’m very hopeful!

[Parying4agirl]

Hiya Atomic will be best to answer your questions but from my understanding more vegetarians have got preg with girls so some people decide to cut meat out.
Meat such as chicken has high protein for little calories so depends how your diet is, every food is allowed just within your limits.
People take fibre as well ( i dont take anything accept folic) cal/mag is up to you, some believe it sways blue.
Opk has to be positive - dark as or darker than the control line, this normally means you are due ovulated in the next day or so. Everyone is different, sometimes even a positive opk doesnt mean u actually ovulated (how annoying?!)
Im sure theres links to findings re one attempt in fertile period which has proven girl success, dont think theres a proper reason to why but it just seems to be that way, maybe something around lowering testerone levels or reducing sperm count...

Main thing about diet is stay within limits of calories, fat and protein and NO snacking to reduce sugar levels

Ohhh and skip breakfast!!!

[Parying4agirl]

I asked a health store about folate and she looked at me very confused... said they only do folic acid.... is this something outside of UK? Or did i ask a silly quedtion..?🤔

[Thinkingofthree]

I asked a health store about folate and she looked at me very confused... said they only do folic acid.... is this something outside of UK? Or did i ask a silly quedtion..?[emoji848]

I’m new here too[emoji4]. I’m in the US but where I am stores also only sell folic acid. I had to buy folate off amazon.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have been tracking my ovulation. When should we try? When the line is faint? Does the positive result mean that I am ovulating or that LH is high and I am going to ovulate a couple of days later? What’s the difference between trying once and trying multiple times up until a certain day. What is the difference in philosophy? Why choose one over the other? Thanks for explaining!

Faint line is negative. The positive test tells you when the surge occurs and then you'll ovulate 24-36 hours or so later.

Trying once is what we found to be the most effective in our results (and I can explain more about how we discovered that if you want). Multiple attempts up to a certain day is a TERRIBLE idea, some other sites recommend that based on outdated, debunked information and most people can't even stick to it. I have a full explanation here: https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/58359-what-up-bd-thru-o-pink-lately.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Any tips for vitamins? I understand about folic acid. How about others? Anything to boost or avoid?

We believe it's best to avoid all other nutrients in supplemental form (including probiotics). Some of us take fiber, though.

[atomic sagebrush]

Is it low meat or low protein that we are going for? If low meat, how does this help? I’m very curious about the science behind this philosophy, and also want to understand so that I can make sure I don’t mess up.
By the way, it’s so nice to have somewhere to discuss these things. Thanks to admin! I’m very hopeful!

It's low protein BUT low meat is also helpful. Here is why.

We have studies in both animals and humans that indicate lower protein (while still getting enough to get and stay pregnant, of course) and higher carb intake leads to more female offspring conceived. So we are trying to emulate that. I created LE Diet to be the lowest normal, healthy intake of protein prior to pregnancy and for most people that is a serious drop in protein intake overall. The reason we limit meat is in part to make that easier - since meat has a high amount of protein for a relatively low calorie count, people who try to eat a bunch of meat end up quickly exceeding the 50 g max protein and they've barely eaten any calories. Since we need 1500-1800 cals a day, and grain and dairy and legumes, nuts, eggs have protein in them, focusing on meat ends up often turning into this terrible diet where people are eating chicken, cucumbers, and gummy worms for months at a time instead of a more balanced diet. And additionally, since there are some micronutrients in meat, it's also a way to cut back on those things somewhat as well.

[atomic sagebrush]

I asked a health store about folate and she looked at me very confused... said they only do folic acid.... is this something outside of UK? Or did i ask a silly quedtion..?��

The UK is often really behind the times in terms of supplements. They don't have things that people in virtually any other country can get. You may need to order online.

[LA_Girl]

I order my folate from Amazon in the UK. X

[SisterForSons]

I have found this and other threads to be very helpful and informative. Thank you! I have a question about testing LH. I’ve heard results vary from morning to afternoon and something people miss their ovulation window because they were negative in the am, but would have been positive if they had tested later in the day. Thoughts? Advice?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that's true, you will get best results by testing after lunch and NOT in the morning. Some people will test 2x a day, at lunch and either late afternoon or just prior to dinner. Just be sure at least one of the times you test is right after lunch for best results though