Sora TTC a Boy Sway Attempt

[Sora]

Gender Result:

DW Age:
33
DH Age:
29
Current Children's Gender(s)
Two daughters
Number of Months TTC
Will start in July
Did you purchase and follow a GD Personalized Plan?
No

MINERALS

Calcium Intake(Please describe)
One a Day Woman + what's usually found in food and water.
Magnesium Intake(Please describe)
None for now outside of what's usually found in food and water.
Potassium Intake(Please describe)
Took some all spring long. Will run out of it before summer.
Sodium Intake(Please describe)
Add a bit of salt to meals especially vegetables or soup. Also the mineral water brand I drink has a good amount of sodium.

SUPPLEMENTS USED

DW Supplements

One a Day Woman
Vit D 1000ui
Omega 3 (fish oil)
B9 400 mg, may up it to 800mg
Coq 10 200mg
Probiotics

DH Supplements

One a Day Men 50+

Any additional supplement info?

None

DIET

Did you follow a diet plan ?

If yes to diet, which one did you most follow?

Comments regarding DW's diet changes-

A total 180° turn as I had been a vegetarian for more than 15 years with a heavy consumption of dairy, cereals, and a no meat nor fish policy. Now it's red meat or white chicken at least twice a day. :nails:
Fish once a week.
Will be carefull about fruit juices this time around as to not gain too much weight but will still count on it a bit especially since we have a new brand made with coconut water instead of simple water now. Trying to get 9 servings a day.
Went back to beans and peas regularly. Lentils were already a given.
Trying to do figs, dates, dried fruits and chestnuts once a week.
Still a bit suspicious of dairy since I had lots of it with DD1 and DD2. Will try whole milk anyway for breakfast and give preference to gratted parmesan and yoghurts since they seem to be a favourite of boys' moms.

If diet was used, length of time before attempt?

The diet will start back in May so it will be 6-8 weeks before TTC.

Did you skip breakfast regularly?

I do usually. Will not during diet and as of April, I've started breakfasting again.

Did DH change his diet with you?

Not really. He's already more on a blue diet than I am.

Comments regarding DH's diet-

DH is a meat and fish lover but eating much more vegetables now, trying to loose weight.
Loves grilled almonds, dried grapefruits, nuts, figs and dates. He has been practicing martial arts all year-long, once a week. Gained more muscles. Will do weights again with me.

DId you consume alcohol?

No. I'm no drinker. Thinking about it, I drink alcohol no more than five times a year.



DId you try to limit caffeine?

Hate coffee so no need. Tea drinker though, once a day at least.

Any Diet Details?

The brand of mineral water I drink is one of the few in France to have a good amount of potassium, higher than calcium and magnesium which are still present.
It also has high levels of sodium and is alcaline.

Any Diet Comments/Additional Info?


WEIGHT AND EXERCISE

What did you weigh/BMI do leading up to O?

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Any Weight/Exercise related additional info/comments?

Will try doing weights everyday but it's hard to find time.

THINGS in VG and CONCEPTION DATE(CD) INFO

pH Before Starting a Sway Program, if known

It has always been around 5-6.

Any VG potions used?


CM pH at attempt
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DH pH
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THE DEED INFO

BD Pattern

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DTD through Ovulation

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BD Dates according to Ovulation

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BD Position

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Any additional comments?


Any relevant attempt details?
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Did you do anything with Ions?
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Moon Phase during conception?
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Did you use any Old Wives Tales?
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Things that makes me feel great about my sway:

I was in need of more potassium, levels were abyssmaly low while calcium was through the roof.
Feel some changes too. Sleep better, move better.
Happier now with supps. Skin is more tan and smooth.
I like eating more meat, fruits and nuts even if the effects are horrible on my purse. Didn't think I was able to eat more than 2 servings a day. Dried meat is great !

Things that make me nervous about my sway:

DH and I have always been the type that gain weight easily but don't loose it so easily. I never quite lost the weight from DD2 and have become more heavy with my last attempt at swaying. I fear it will get us an opposite.

Things worth mentioning:

Learned a lot coming here, especially on timing and frequency since at home, the old beliefs still prevail (Shettles and co). It helped me a lot with vits and supps too. In France, we're simply not used to take them if we're not sick or pregnant. Also the amounts (both in calories and supps) are much lower than what I've read here. Most women in France eat around 1000 to 1400 kcals a day to stay as thin as possible and never take supps, not even when pregnant except if they are suffering from some medical condition. What they do take (and more often than not when pregnancy is already on the way, not before) amounts to 80mg of iron, 400mg of folic and a bit of fish oil. I was the same for both my pregnancies except for DD1 (started taking folic before TTC).
I hope the changes and the vitD (which is quite forgotten in my home country) will help me this time around.

This forum is known in France but most swayers shy away from it cause bad at english. :giggle:

[Babybeaublue]

Good luck :) I was vegetarian when I conceived 4 of my 5 girls but I still can't face red meat. I ate chicken most days and salmon oncea week and I am having a boy. Atomic recommends full fat dairy, no almond milk or any other milk substitute. Good luck

[Sora]

Hey fellow vegetarian :curtsey: and thank you !

I so want a boy that I'm ready to face lots of meat red and white if it will bring him to me :bowdown: ! Fortunately, before turning vegetarian, I was greatly in love with viande des grisons (air-dried salted beef meat) and just picked it back again. It has the benefit of bringing good nutrients while not causing weight gain. It's pricey but oh well...
I eat canned tuna everyday, maybe I should do it less often though ? Too much fish isn't good either... idk...
Well still can't shake my fear of conceiving another daughter if I go back to dairy, especially since I used to love full fat so much ! Didn't help me in the long run :worry:
But I know about the milk substitute, the doc behind the French Diet has warned me off it. He too has noticed a trend of failed sways in women drinking these... So I happily stay with fruit juices and water ! :superhero:

Hope to be as lucky as you :awe:

[Ohdeer]

For what it’s worth I had given up dairy completely when I conceived my boys and now I’ve tried to conceive a girl I’m worrying that the full fat dairy will put me back in boy territory so I’m glad to hear you had lots of it with your girls! I drank lots of oat milk with both my boys

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck and blue dust! We can actually start you guys your own French thread if you would like us to - we have at times in the past had Dutch and German threads that were very active and we'd be happy for you ladies to join us!! That way you guys can have a place to chat together in French and then I"d be available to answer any questions and anyone who is bilingual could help us translate.

WOW that is crazy your doctor also observed many opposites with the almond milk! I also noticed that same thing and we have not been using that any more for blue sways!! Thanks so much for sharing that!

[Sora]

A French thread would be great for many of them, to get tips from other countries who have had different research on the subject and different attempts. And to be informed about the debunking of some old theories. It would be a little hard to get them there though, most tend to go into catatonia at the first english word :twins:

Also I'm glad I can help the other way round, having recently met with the creator of French Diet and knowing about the recent changes to it since 2011. Some observations do cross paths with what you may have noticed too like the prob with almond milk... For example, potassium pills are not recommended anymore for blue swayers. They noticed it doesn't really make a difference (too much, too suddenly, the body can't keep it all) and getting potassium through diet is way better. I would say the same goes for cal/magnesium tabs for pink swayers since it's better to get them from meals.

Doc thinks the prob with milk substitutes may comes from them often being artificially enriched since they are supposed to help vegetarians/vegans go through the day without meat and dairy and some of what's added may disturb the swaying, either through some chemical reaction or by causing the draining of minerals and other nutrients that may have helped otherwise. He also noticed that some failed sways have to do with dieting and/or frequent intakes of draining, detox-type drinks.

[Sora]

For what it’s worth I had given up dairy completely when I conceived my boys and now I’ve tried to conceive a girl I’m worrying that the full fat dairy will put me back in boy territory so I’m glad to hear you had lots of it with your girls! I drank lots of oat milk with both my boys

Oh yes, I was (still am) crazy about dairy. I've been drinking one bottle of milk a day since I was 10. Whole, skimmed, cow, goat, sheep, even mare, doesn't matter, love them all. We have a wide array of cheese here too so cheese everyday except blue cheese which can cause life-threatening infections to the fetus. All kind of yoghurts too. Most mothers of girls I know are huge milk lovers. We usually frighten boy-moms with how much milk we can drink without getting sick.

I do think timing and frequency may have played a bit too.

[Linni]

Oh yes, I was (still am) crazy about dairy. I've been drinking one bottle of milk a day since I was 10. Whole, skimmed, cow, goat, sheep, even mare, doesn't matter, love them all. We have a wide array of cheese here too so cheese everyday except blue cheese which can cause life-threatening infections to the fetus. All kind of yoghurts too. Most mothers of girls I know are huge milk lovers. We usually frighten boy-moms with how much milk we can drink without getting sick.

I do think timing and frequency may have played a bit too.


Now that‘s interesting!
I have two boys, the first one concieved at a „normal“ diet, let‘s say not very healthy though, and I had just given up smoking a few months before my bfp.
The second one I concieved as a (mostly) vegan, and I consumed a rather healthy (aside from much sugar...) diet, the only dairy I ate was through chocolate.

I find it very interesting, that there are even doctors in France who support gender swaying! Is the FG Diet that common in France? I have an appointment at my gyn tonight because of my short luteal phase and delayed O with much cramps, but i don‘t dare to tell her WHY my cycles are so wonky at the time...
Does anyone do another kind of swaying diet, or is it only FG?
And why is it taboo though...?



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[Ohdeer]

Great - I’ve had a lot of full fat dairy, especially Greek yoghurt. And cheese! I feel for you having to give it up. I found oat milk to be the best substitute in drinks ie tea and coffee. It is the most like skim milk of all the non dairy milks. I was also eating it in porridge made with rolled oats for breakfast (it was winter time then!) Good luck, I hope you get your boy!

[Sora]

Now that‘s interesting!
I have two boys, the first one concieved at a „normal“ diet, let‘s say not very healthy though, and I had just given up smoking a few months before my bfp.
The second one I concieved as a (mostly) vegan, and I consumed a rather healthy (aside from much sugar...) diet, the only dairy I ate was through chocolate.

I find it very interesting, that there are even doctors in France who support gender swaying! Is the FG Diet that common in France? I have an appointment at my gyn tonight because of my short luteal phase and delayed O with much cramps, but i don‘t dare to tell her WHY my cycles are so wonky at the time...
Does anyone do another kind of swaying diet, or is it only FG?
And why is it taboo though...?



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I find it interesting too. DH and his brother, who are from a boys-only family, have been conceived while their mother was heavily smoking and drinking and taking BC pills. They are also all quite the meat lovers. Both DH and his brother have been introduced to red meat (adult portions) as early as 6 months-old by their grandparents who still had bad memories from WW2.

Most vegans I know (veganism has been booming in France lately) have boys while vegetarians tend to have more daughters. Also some people I knew who were meat lovers and became vegetarians had daughters following their diet changes while they only had boys before. But it's hard to say if it's only due to what they eat or if it comes from other things (timing, stress... ?).

The specialists supporting gender swaying in France amount to 2 or 3 but are heavily criticized and even ostracized by the rest of the french scientific community. Doesn't keep them from writing books, making appointements and giving interviews but they have to face accusations of being nazis eugenists...

... and there you have one half of your answer about why gender swaying is heavily taboo in France, why docs and gyns who agree with it (and it seems there are quite a few) keep silent and only the French Diet and Shettles are known to the general public.

People, here and in other European countries, are still deeply traumatized by the eugenic madness of neighbouring Germany during WW2. Any attempt at influencing gender (chromosomes XX and XY), for any reasons other than looking for some cure to terrible or life-threatening illnesses, are seen as advocating nazism. High-tech swaying such as Gender Selection IVF is illegal, prenatal genetic testings are only available to mothers with a history of dangerous medical conditions and/or high-risk pregnancies (or if something seems really wrong during ultrasounds)... And even then, gender is hidden from them as the docs running the tests are required by the law to refuse to answer any question about it. So the only way to know the sex is to wait for the 20-weeks or so ultrasound. Some docs and gyns do cheat and tell the parents but it's a rare thing. Most will act very coldly and even openly despise you if you dare ask.

Even when swaying naturally, you can't speak openly about it. Women who do often face accusations of secretely wishing for Aryans babies, of lowering themselves to "buying a gender"... It can go as far as accusing them of secretely dreaming of killing their children of opposite genders.

Blue swayers have it the hardest. We have China and India thrown in our faces, are accused of supporting gynocide (even though we have 2, 3, 4 adorable daughters :shrug:) and our DH are suspected of harboring misogynistic tendencies... cause "the ultimate gift for a mother is a daughter and she should not wish for any other child if she is already blessed with one... so if there's any longing for a boy, it MUST come from the horrible patriarchal husband".:mad:

Even in our forums we get attacked by parents who have children of both genders (of course, hypocrites much ?) or by people diagnosed with infertility... which is ironic since a large chunk of swayers ARE people going through IVF for medical reasons and trying to get their chances up for both genders since they will only have a few shots at TTC.:tissue:

Hope I answered your question.

[Ohdeer]

Hi Sora

The reactions you describe are typical in the UK too. I would never tell anybody that I was doing this for all of the reasons that you talk about

[Throwaway_panther]

I find it interesting too. DH and his brother, who are from a boys-only family, have been conceived while their mother was heavily smoking and drinking and taking BC pills. They are also all quite the meat lovers. Both DH and his brother have been introduced to red meat (adult portions) as early as 6 months-old by their grandparents who still had bad memories from WW2.

Most vegans I know (veganism has been booming in France lately) have boys while vegetarians tend to have more daughters. Also some people I knew who were meat lovers and became vegetarians had daughters following their diet changes while they only had boys before. But it's hard to say if it's only due to what they eat or if it comes from other things (timing, stress... ?).

The specialists supporting gender swaying in France amount to 2 or 3 but are heavily criticized and even ostracized by the rest of the french scientific community. Doesn't keep them from writing books, making appointements and giving interviews but they have to face accusations of being nazis eugenists...

... and there you have one half of your answer about why gender swaying is heavily taboo in France, why docs and gyns who agree with it (and it seems there are quite a few) keep silent and only the French Diet and Shettles are known to the general public.

People, here and in other European countries, are still deeply traumatized by the eugenic madness of neighbouring Germany during WW2. Any attempt at influencing gender (chromosomes XX and XY), for any reasons other than looking for some cure to terrible or life-threatening illnesses, are seen as advocating nazism. High-tech swaying such as Gender Selection IVF is illegal, prenatal genetic testings are only available to mothers with a history of dangerous medical conditions and/or high-risk pregnancies (or if something seems really wrong during ultrasounds)... And even then, gender is hidden from them as the docs running the tests are required by the law to refuse to answer any question about it. So the only way to know the sex is to wait for the 20-weeks or so ultrasound. Some docs and gyns do cheat and tell the parents but it's a rare thing. Most will act very coldly and even openly despise you if you dare ask.

Even when swaying naturally, you can't speak openly about it. Women who do often face accusations of secretely wishing for Aryans babies, of lowering themselves to "buying a gender"... It can go as far as accusing them of secretely dreaming of killing their children of opposite genders.

Blue swayers have it the hardest. We have China and India thrown in our faces, are accused of supporting gynocide (even though we have 2, 3, 4 adorable daughters :shrug:) and our DH are suspected of harboring misogynistic tendencies... cause "the ultimate gift for a mother is a daughter and she should not wish for any other child if she is already blessed with one... so if there's any longing for a boy, it MUST come from the horrible patriarchal husband".:mad:

Even in our forums we get attacked by parents who have children of both genders (of course, hypocrites much ?) or by people diagnosed with infertility... which is ironic since a large chunk of swayers ARE people going through IVF for medical reasons and trying to get their chances up for both genders since they will only have a few shots at TTC.:tissue:

Hope I answered your question.

Wow, I can't believe I never thought of that! That makes so much sense why it's still so taboo over there -- which has always been bizarre to me, since Europe is generally much more progressive than America, for example, especially when it comes to medical stuff. Canada still leaves me scratching my head though (as it's in similar legal weirdness up there).

Thank you for sharing that info -- and I'm so sorry it's so difficult to be open about it! For what it's worth, no one is open about it in the U.S., haha. Everyone still secretly just goes on forums to discuss! And that is definitely a frustrating stereotype about "the best gift for a mother is a daughter." My husband is who wanted girls -- I wanted boys!! So when someone says something to him about having a daughter, he is REALLY offended; as am I!


I think a French thread would be great! We have a French blue swayer Chez who is great, and had a baby within the last year -- hopefully she'll be back on more regularly too to help get the thread kicking! :)

[Linni]

I find it interesting too. DH and his brother, who are from a boys-only family, have been conceived while their mother was heavily smoking and drinking and taking BC pills. They are also all quite the meat lovers. Both DH and his brother have been introduced to red meat (adult portions) as early as 6 months-old by their grandparents who still had bad memories from WW2.

Most vegans I know (veganism has been booming in France lately) have boys while vegetarians tend to have more daughters. Also some people I knew who were meat lovers and became vegetarians had daughters following their diet changes while they only had boys before. But it's hard to say if it's only due to what they eat or if it comes from other things (timing, stress... ?).

The specialists supporting gender swaying in France amount to 2 or 3 but are heavily criticized and even ostracized by the rest of the french scientific community. Doesn't keep them from writing books, making appointements and giving interviews but they have to face accusations of being nazis eugenists...

... and there you have one half of your answer about why gender swaying is heavily taboo in France, why docs and gyns who agree with it (and it seems there are quite a few) keep silent and only the French Diet and Shettles are known to the general public.

People, here and in other European countries, are still deeply traumatized by the eugenic madness of neighbouring Germany during WW2. Any attempt at influencing gender (chromosomes XX and XY), for any reasons other than looking for some cure to terrible or life-threatening illnesses, are seen as advocating nazism. High-tech swaying such as Gender Selection IVF is illegal, prenatal genetic testings are only available to mothers with a history of dangerous medical conditions and/or high-risk pregnancies (or if something seems really wrong during ultrasounds)... And even then, gender is hidden from them as the docs running the tests are required by the law to refuse to answer any question about it. So the only way to know the sex is to wait for the 20-weeks or so ultrasound. Some docs and gyns do cheat and tell the parents but it's a rare thing. Most will act very coldly and even openly despise you if you dare ask.

Even when swaying naturally, you can't speak openly about it. Women who do often face accusations of secretely wishing for Aryans babies, of lowering themselves to "buying a gender"... It can go as far as accusing them of secretely dreaming of killing their children of opposite genders.

Blue swayers have it the hardest. We have China and India thrown in our faces, are accused of supporting gynocide (even though we have 2, 3, 4 adorable daughters :shrug:) and our DH are suspected of harboring misogynistic tendencies... cause "the ultimate gift for a mother is a daughter and she should not wish for any other child if she is already blessed with one... so if there's any longing for a boy, it MUST come from the horrible patriarchal husband".:mad:

Even in our forums we get attacked by parents who have children of both genders (of course, hypocrites much ?) or by people diagnosed with infertility... which is ironic since a large chunk of swayers ARE people going through IVF for medical reasons and trying to get their chances up for both genders since they will only have a few shots at TTC.:tissue:

Hope I answered your question.

Wooooooow, Sora...that’s reeeaaally Crazy!!!

I live in Austria, which is as you know the home country of Hitler, and lets say „we“ have been pretty involved in Euthanasia and WW2 too, but despite some rolling eyes I would never be confronted with any other accusations if I would tell about my swaying.
In fact, hardly anybody here knows that something like gender swaying exists!! So I don‘t dare to share my current swaying or diet with anybody, because they would only laugh at me, no one would believe that it actually works!

I know that in China (we have relatives from there) telling the gender before birth is a taboo, but I didn‘t know that this is common in France, too!
Here in Austria you can ask your tech, and if he‘s willing to make a guess he will tell you his opinion at as soon as 12 weeks!

Prenatal testing and scans are veeeery common, literally everybody does it. And you can do genetic testing anytime, if you want, and also know the gender!

As I said, I don’t talk about swaying not because I would be afraid of negative reactions but I don‘t want to be told a fool lol


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[atomic sagebrush]

amazing thread I'd love to sound off on, please bump this for me as I'm nearly out of time for today.

[Sora]

Great - I’ve had a lot of full fat dairy, especially Greek yoghurt. And cheese! I feel for you having to give it up. I found oat milk to be the best substitute in drinks ie tea and coffee. It is the most like skim milk of all the non dairy milks. I was also eating it in porridge made with rolled oats for breakfast (it was winter time then!) Good luck, I hope you get your boy!

Miss cheese and especially milk :tissue: but it's not for life. If it helps getting me my baby boy, it will have been worth it.


Wow, I can't believe I never thought of that! That makes so much sense why it's still so taboo over there -- which has always been bizarre to me, since Europe is generally much more progressive than America, for example, especially when it comes to medical stuff.

You're right, Europe is more progressive in medical stuff, except when it comes to genetics. More specifically, researching chromosomes is okay and all but the general public is quite misinformed about it, either from the scientists thinking nobody would be able to understand or because everyone feel uneasy about tampering with human DNA. This ends up backfiring since people are easily confused about that subject. We can see that when they get all "First they want to choose the gender and then they will ask for perfect blonde-haired blue-eyed babies"... It's stupid because selecting sperm IS NOT tampering with chromosomes. We are talking about something that is already there : ie XX sperm and XY sperm. We didn't buy it, didn't create it from dust, it's there and it's about favoring one over the other... which nature does already, although not quite as often as we would want hence the sway...

If people knew their genetics, they would realize that no matter how advanced we are now, we still can't tamper with DNA without causing spectacular side-effects, most of them life-threatening. It is not as easy as Gene 1 for blue, Gene 2 for green, Gene 3 for brown, then onto the next chromosome 1-Hair, 2-Weight, 3-Height. Eye-color for example is ruled by a multitude of genes on different chromosomes (mainly chromosome 15), switching on and off as they feel like. We do not even know most of them and where they may hide. We still don't understand why sometimes they switch on, why some other time they switch off. One thing we know for sure though : touching, hurting or even breaking them can change the color... but can cause much worse ---> one of the main genes of blue/green also rules sodium/potassium/calcium... touch it and have fun seeing the embryo cells break appart.

Plus, you have to inherit some genes to get (and pass on) some physical characteristics. You can't create them through IVF. You could achieve some result by tampering with and switching on/off some other genes but at the risk of fatally crippling your unborn child. No sane parents would take such a huge risk.

So... no, no one, swayer or else, will be able to walk into a clinic and ask for a blue-eyed immortal child or whatever. Unless he or she wants a sick one. And even if it became a possiblity in the future, if you do not have the right genes, no matter how much you pay, your only way of having your wish will be to carry the child of someone else.


Wooooooow, Sora...that’s reeeaaally Crazy!!!

I live in Austria, which is as you know the home country of Hitler, and lets say „we“ have been pretty involved in Euthanasia and WW2 too, but despite some rolling eyes I would never be confronted with any other accusations if I would tell about my swaying.
In fact, hardly anybody here knows that something like gender swaying exists!! So I don‘t dare to share my current swaying or diet with anybody, because they would only laugh at me, no one would believe that it actually works!

I know that in China (we have relatives from there) telling the gender before birth is a taboo, but I didn‘t know that this is common in France, too!
Here in Austria you can ask your tech, and if he‘s willing to make a guess he will tell you his opinion at as soon as 12 weeks!

Prenatal testing and scans are veeeery common, literally everybody does it. And you can do genetic testing anytime, if you want, and also know the gender!

As I said, I don’t talk about swaying not because I would be afraid of negative reactions but I don‘t want to be told a fool lol


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That's surprising, I never thought people in Austria could do genetic testing anytime ! I've seen people talking about it like it's a normal occurence on the forums but here it is not something anyone can do... Without the excuse of high-risk pregnancy or dangerous medical condition, you can't ask for genetic testing. Technically, I could have asked for it since DH has a bad case of hereditary eye-cancer running in the family... but when we broached the subject for DD1, the docs went all uneasy and said "oh it's okay we don't need to do that, your husband doesn't have cancer so it's safe, don't bother with genetic scans and stuff". Even if they had agreed to run the test, we would only have been able to ask about the cancer. If we had tried to ask for the gender, we would have been coldly rebuked, like "What does it matter to you anyway ? Aren't you happy getting a healthy baby ?". It has also happened to people trying IVF... if they ask for the gender of their embryos, they are often told "you'll see for yourself at the 20 weeks ultrasound, it doesn't matter right ?".

Same with the 12 weeks ultrasound. Many gyns get frankly uneasy when you ask for the gender and refuse to even try to predict it. Others do tell you. But all in all, they are pressured to keep silent cause 12 weeks is still legal for abortion and they fear an outbreak of radical gender selection like in China or India.

The only occurence of all of them willingly telling you before 20 weeks, sadly, is when you miscarry...

[Linni]

Miss cheese and especially milk :tissue: but it's not for life. If it helps getting me my baby boy, it will have been worth it.



You're right, Europe is more progressive in medical stuff, except when it comes to genetics. More specifically, researching chromosomes is okay and all but the general public is quite misinformed about it, either from the scientists thinking nobody would be able to understand or because everyone feel uneasy about tampering with human DNA. This ends up backfiring since people are easily confused about that subject. We can see that when they get all "First they want to choose the gender and then they will ask for perfect blonde-haired blue-eyed babies"... It's stupid because selecting sperm IS NOT tampering with chromosomes. We are talking about something that is already there : ie XX sperm and XY sperm. We didn't buy it, didn't create it from dust, it's there and it's about favoring one over the other... which nature does already, although not quite as often as we would want hence the sway...

If people knew their genetics, they would realize that no matter how advanced we are now, we still can't tamper with DNA without causing spectacular side-effects, most of them life-threatening. It is not as easy as Gene 1 for blue, Gene 2 for green, Gene 3 for brown, then onto the next chromosome 1-Hair, 2-Weight, 3-Height. Eye-color for example is ruled by a multitude of genes on different chromosomes (mainly chromosome 15), switching on and off as they feel like. We do not even know most of them and where they may hide. We still don't understand why sometimes they switch on, why some other time they switch off. One thing we know for sure though : touching, hurting or even breaking them can change the color... but can cause much worse ---> one of the main genes of blue/green also rules sodium/potassium/calcium... touch it and have fun seeing the embryo cells break appart.

Plus, you have to inherit some genes to get (and pass on) some physical characteristics. You can't create them through IVF. You could achieve some result by tampering with and switching on/off some other genes but at the risk of fatally crippling your unborn child. No sane parents would take such a huge risk.

So... no, no one, swayer or else, will be able to walk into a clinic and ask for a blue-eyed immortal child or whatever. Unless he or she wants a sick one. And even if it became a possiblity in the future, if you do not have the right genes, no matter how much you pay, your only way of having your wish will be to carry the child of someone else.



That's surprising, I never thought people in Austria could do genetic testing anytime ! I've seen people talking about it like it's a normal occurence on the forums but here it is not something anyone can do... Without the excuse of high-risk pregnancy or dangerous medical condition, you can't ask for genetic testing. Technically, I could have asked for it since DH has a bad case of hereditary eye-cancer running in the family... but when we broached the subject for DD1, the docs went all uneasy and said "oh it's okay we don't need to do that, your husband doesn't have cancer so it's safe, don't bother with genetic scans and stuff". Even if they had agreed to run the test, we would only have been able to ask about the cancer. If we had tried to ask for the gender, we would have been coldly rebuked, like "What does it matter to you anyway ? Aren't you happy getting a healthy baby ?". It has also happened to people trying IVF... if they ask for the gender of their embryos, they are often told "you'll see for yourself at the 20 weeks ultrasound, it doesn't matter right ?".

Same with the 12 weeks ultrasound. Many gyns get frankly uneasy when you ask for the gender and refuse to even try to predict it. Others do tell you. But all in all, they are pressured to keep silent cause 12 weeks is still legal for abortion and they fear an outbreak of radical gender selection like in China or India.

The only occurence of all of them willingly telling you before 20 weeks, sadly, is when you miscarry...

That’s really a strange phenomenon. I mean, we all know, that a healthy baby is the overall most important thing when it comes to ttc.
But as you said, why aren‘t we not allowed to prefer one gender over the other...? Especially when we already have 1,2,... kids of one gender...? The negative comments always seem to come from those parents (moms..) who have both. :-/

Yes, abortion is legal until the 12th week here too, but the tech with the 2nd boy told me without asking me..
Is there in France also the „Combined Test“, where they make an U/S and draw blood from the mother to make predictions about the odds in percentage of a genetic disorder?
We can also do a amniozetese (?), where they take cells from the placenta through the mother‘s stomach. But since this has the risk of a m/c they widely recommend the Harmony Test now, which is very expensive (600ish € because they would send the blood sample to the USA...) but you know exactly if there is something wrong and if you want to, they tell you the gender.



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[Sora]

That’s really a strange phenomenon. I mean, we all know, that a healthy baby is the overall most important thing when it comes to ttc.
But as you said, why aren‘t we not allowed to prefer one gender over the other...? Especially when we already have 1,2,... kids of one gender...? The negative comments always seem to come from those parents (moms..) who have both. :-/

Yes, abortion is legal until the 12th week here too, but the tech with the 2nd boy told me without asking me..
Is there in France also the „Combined Test“, where they make an U/S and draw blood from the mother to make predictions about the odds in percentage of a genetic disorder?
We can also do a amniozetese (?), where they take cells from the placenta through the mother‘s stomach. But since this has the risk of a m/c they widely recommend the Harmony Test now, which is very expensive (600ish € because they would send the blood sample to the USA...) but you know exactly if there is something wrong and if you want to, they tell you the gender.



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Yeah, the Combined Test exist in France but the only thing they will tell you is if there's a risk of a genetic disorder. Not a word about the other chromosomes and the gender.:think:

Amnio is there but only used if other tests have shown something worrying since it can cause miscarriages. And even when amnio is done, not a word about gender too but I guess from that point on, mothers are more worried about baby's health and survival than the gender of course...

Harmony Test do exist, is expensive, but you cannot ask for it if you don't have a medical condition or serious risk of the baby having a genetic disorder (mothers who had lots of trouble having their IVF work for example can ask for it to make sure that the surviving embryos were not damaged and will not end up in a stillbirth). And even then, gender will only be revealed to the parents if it has something to do with the anomaly (hemophilia comes to mind, it's one of the only disease that leads to high-tech gender selection here).

As for why we're not allowed to dream of a gender, my guess is it comes from a combination of ignorance, clichés and fear :

- Fear of an outbreak of gender selection rupturing the balance between male/female in the general population... despite more than one studies showing quite the contrary -> all around the world people wish for boys and girls alike, girls are even a bit more popular. It actually IS a risk but it could easily be countered by a law making HT Gender Selection only possible for people with 2 or more children of the same sex.
- Clichés like the one where a woman can't wish for a boy because what would she do with it and that any woman desiring a boy must be coerced into it by some violent husband, father, brother, whatever male around her. And all the "poor angel it must be so hard to have a male-only family, she must feel so alone, it's a shame she wasn't able to know the joys of a daughter". :rolleyes:
- And the cliché that a woman cannot be complete if she doesn't pop out a mini-her to play dolls and dress-up with... hence the "why are you still not happy, you have girls now, go do 'girly things' with them" while the father ironically is pitied or derided for not having a son to play with or inherit his name.
- It's all the more stupid because whatever she has, a woman is deemed a failure if she can't birth both anyway. But still you will forbid her to think about swaying cause it's "unethical", go figures... :rolleyes:
- Also, the fact that the general population fail genetics forever and think tampering with DNA is a piece of cake. So when you speak "selection", they are already imagining evil scientists in a lab changing male/female embryos into the opposite or whatever aliens and throwing them in a trashcan when that fails while smirking mothers-to-be watch in the background. :drama:
- Another general fail in the population : "and what will you do if your boy turns up gay or your girl ends up liking sports and wanting to become a soldier"... Bundle of mistakes, first about our reason for wanting them : I'm pretty sure it's the case for everyone but it's not to see them "act" like a boy/girl is supposed to... but because whatever and whoever they become in the end, a relationship with a daughter is different than one with a son, period. And it's that undescribable difference we want to experience.
And other fail : someone gay doesn't magically turn into the opposite sex. Very manly, very burly guys are gay so no, I wouldn't say "oh heck it's like having a girl all over again"...
Same with a girl into sports : one of my highschool friend was a champion at basket and horseriding, won many competitions, very big, very muscular... Don't think her parents called her "son".
- And now the best one, fear of having an outbreak of Aryan babies cause it's a well-known fact that even if it was possible in the first place, EVERYONE on Earth would only want blonde and blue... :rolleyes:

[Sora]

So back to the sway...

From what I understood, things that sway blue are :

- Not skipping breakfast. Eating a good one, mostly cereals. Back when I still ate breakfast I would have Special K Original with a fruit and milk. Switched the milk for a glass of 100% fruit juice. (orange, apple or grapes)

- Lots of meat. I have meat twice a day, mostly dried beef and chicken slices, sometimes chicken tenders, sausages.
- Lots of fruits. For now I've managed to eat 2-3 fruits a day, mostly apples, bananas and mangos.
- Half a bottle of 100% fruit juice per day.
- Also added a full bottle of alcaline mineral water with a good portion of sodium/potassium per day.

I'd rather stay far away from dairy. I know some of you have had boys with it but both my daughters were conceived while consuming massive amounts of whole/full fat dairy products such as Greek yoghurt, milk (a bottle a day) and lots of cheese everywhere... and mothers of boys around me hate dairy with a passion, except for one yoghurt at dinner and cheese from time to time. So not convinced about it swaying blue. I would say neutral with a bit of pink depending on the amount of milk.

Now I'm most curious about frequency since I never tried that. DH and I DTD only once a week and can go two-three weeks without anything happening. I picked the habit from my ex who was rarely home because studies and work (poor DH has a bit of trouble with that since he has high sex-drive ^^"). Also there's still a strong belief in France about abstinence swaying blue so there is that. It's also firmly believed that DTD from AF to O-day sways pink while DTD from O-day to O+3 swings blue.

But it seems I've read quite the contrary here so I'm a bit lost.

As for us, DD1 was conceived 3 days before O in only one try after months of TTC from O-day to the day after (with no BD before or after cause of belief abstinence = sways blue).
DD2 was a surprise baby, conceived also in one try on the night of O-day. She is a bit of a special case since DH didn't finish inside (didn't want to get preg and knew it was O-day) but the sperm still found it's way from my tummy to the egg. Also, we had done nothing for a long time because DD1 was only 8 months-old and taking up most of our time. I remember DH was quite annoyed with me and complaining about being forgotten.

So should we try now for the 2-4 days release and more than one attempt from at least OPK+ ? I've read that a good many of you had boys while BD from AF to O-day but I wonder... ?

Also, since I'm in France, I don't know if I can find prenatals that sways blue... We have fish oil of course, folic acid is a given... Should I take something else ? And what about DH ? One of the most recommended prenatals here for both women and men TTC is Oligobs Procrea F and Oligobs Procrea M.

[Ohdeer]

Hi Sora

I don’t know about what prenatals are generally recommended for a blue sway but when I got both my boys I was taking seven seas trying for a baby tablets. They were great. You can get them via amazon.fr

[Sora]

Hi Sora

I don’t know about what prenatals are generally recommended for a blue sway but when I got both my boys I was taking seven seas trying for a baby tablets. They were great. You can get them via amazon.fr

I'll look into it, thanks ! Any other tips about frequency or drinks ?

[Ohdeer]

With both mine I conceived with one attempt on O day. I drank tap water, tea (Black with skim milk), no coffee and quite a bit of champagne. I was also drinking lots of cocoa made with cacao powder and a blend of oat milk and skim milk! That’s just what I did though, am not sure if it’s what’s recommended

[Sora]

Thanks for the quick reply :bluecheer: !

From what I know tap water and tea are okay. There's a rumor alcohool might sway blue but never saw proof or studies on it. That's weird though, I did drink lots of cocoa too with my girls. It's actually my fav breakfast and evening drink, especially in winter. But I used whole milk or almond milk with it.

May I ask if you were usually helping DH release when not TTC ? DH and I abstained a lot for many reasons and DD2 was also conceived on O-day in one attempt.

Edit : Uugh Amazon doesn't ship seven seas in France :mad: I swear, prenatals here are so ridiculously low on everything ! And most are not half as complete as what I see on the US or UK side ! Weird :think:

[atomic sagebrush]

Ladies when you have specific questions PLEASE start a new thread and ask me! I have this thread set aside since while very interesting, I remembered it was involved and not sway-specific (and I stop reading these type of threads generally anyway since they are mostly congrats/good luck) The best way to get a response from me on sway questitons is to start a thread and ask me! :)

ANY prenatals that have about 100% of most nutrients without high doses of things (other than Vit. D, which is ok and even desirable to take 1000 IU) or any herbs in it are fine for blue. Most of us take Women's One a Day but I'm sure there is a comparable product in France. Just post a link for me and I'll check them out for you!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yep I definitely had scads of dairy foods when I got my boys and gave it all up to get my girl (as did my husband, even though he did not do it intentionally LOL) but everyone needs to do what they feel comfortable with.

The MOST IMPORTANT thing is that you don't start drinking tons of milk replacers instead. Interesting that the FGD people are saying that now as well. My research into animal studies indicates that it's the high levels of vegetable based oils in them that are likely swaying pink and so I suggest avoiding them for blue sways. Give up dairy and calcium if you so choose, but don't just start drinking tons of almond, soy, rice milk instead!!

[Ohdeer]

Ha, no we were Pretty abstain-y. Not great doers. My DH has a pretty low sex drive. He might have released a week or so before attempt. I guess I was doing quite a few things that should sway girl but got boys nonetheless. Fingers crossed that you get my blue dust and I get your pink this time!

That said, I always had porridge for breakfast with rolled oats and flaxseed and chia seeds and fruit. And I ate pretty frequently and wasn’t trying to lose weight so my blood sugar never really got that low.

[atomic sagebrush]

Again I'm so sorry I missed your post of June 2, I did not realize it was swaying-related! While I will of course be checking this thread daily from now on, I'll always see new posts so be sure to start one if you need to get my attention! :)

:agree: always eat breakfast. I think you would be better off avoiding super carby cereals like Special K (which is just highly processed rice and wheat, you may as well eat pure sugar!) and having something more substantial such as muesli or whole grain flakes.

:agree: eating more meat and protein overall.

:agree: eating more fruits. Apples and bananas are surprisingly not the best bet; they are fine to eat but you will be better off eating the most nutrient-packed fruit and veg you can find. Blueberries, mangoes, etc. They also have potassium in them and are also full of other nutrients while apples and bananas are white and less nutrient dense.

:agree: Fruit juice although if you start gaining too much weight this can be switched for vegetable juice or eliminated.

:agree: Mineral water at your discretion, if you use the juice of a whole lemon every day (either mixed in with your mineral water or with other drinks or foods) that may be alkalinizing as well and plus it counts as a serving of fruit and helps to make EWCM.

:agree: Dairy at your discretion

Re frequency - yes, BD from AF through O may sway pink and I don't ever recommend that for blue swayers (or for pink swayers either, actually) for the reasons spelled out in this thread. https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/58359-what-up-bd-thru-o-pink-lately.html Abstinence of 2-5 days may sway blue, abstinence longer than that probably sways pink but has not been very effective anyway. But that having been said I DO think you should be letting DH release (and inside of you with a non-spermicide condom is fine or on his own if you prefer) every 2-4 days and not going so long between BD. It raises his sperm count and both of your testosterone levels to have intercourse more frequently than that.

What we have found is that above all else, one attempt has been very pink friendly. Timing does not work (and we know this since studies have proven that it does not work and even know the mistake that Dr. Shettles made https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html), even things like abstain have not worked very well if at all. But for reasons we do not yet understand, one attempt does sway pink. So getting your daughters with one attempt is not surprising. Close child spacoing also may sway pink so if at all possible wait longer than 8 months if you can! :)

RE BD O Day through O+3, this is not going to be an effective method. Since the egg will be dead O+1,2,3 (this is a proven fact) it is very, very likely to get one attempt on O Day which would sway pink. The attempts on O+,2,3 would not count. But what can happen (and very likely IS happening for at least some of these people) is that they have ovulated later than they thought they did - this is super common when swaying - and ended up having 2 or 3 attempts right before ovulation occured, which would sway blue. I would definitely have you try for 3 or even more attempts waiting to greet the egg when it shows up. You can do this with an attempt the day of positive OPK, again the next day, and then again that same night (so 2 attempts the second day) This will work out to be O-1, 2 attempts on O Day, and is in line with Shettles if that is important to you.

I can't find the nutrient data for the Oligobs online, but it's probably ok unless it has super high amounts of nutrients or additional herbal components in them.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ha, no we were Pretty abstain-y. Not great doers. My DH has a pretty low sex drive. He might have released a week or so before attempt. I guess I was doing quite a few things that should sway girl but got boys nonetheless. Fingers crossed that you get my blue dust and I get your pink this time!

That said, I always had porridge for breakfast with rolled oats and flaxseed and chia seeds and fruit. And I ate pretty frequently and wasn’t trying to lose weight so my blood sugar never really got that low.

:agree: none of these things are 100% or even close to it. any given sway tactic seems to max out about 75% tops (and most are lower than that, even) so you can always find people who did some things and got boys or girls anyway.

Plus Ohdeer you have PCOS, right?? That sways blue all on its own!

[Ohdeer]

Yup I do! Hoping I’ve counteracted it this time but we’ll see

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for the quick reply :bluecheer: !

From what I know tap water and tea are okay. There's a rumor alcohool might sway blue but never saw proof or studies on it. That's weird though, I did drink lots of cocoa too with my girls. It's actually my fav breakfast and evening drink, especially in winter. But I used whole milk or almond milk with it.

May I ask if you were usually helping DH release when not TTC ? DH and I abstained a lot for many reasons and DD2 was also conceived on O-day in one attempt.

Edit : Uugh Amazon doesn't ship seven seas in France :mad: I swear, prenatals here are so ridiculously low on everything ! And most are not half as complete as what I see on the US or UK side ! Weird :think:

Tea sways blue, we believe. I am not convinced water does anything either way since they've studied it and found gender 50-50 everywhere even though people are on different municipal water systems.

We get great results with alcohol for PINK. If you want to drink on occasion that is fine, choose nutrient dense alcohols like red wine and do not drink to excess ever - no more than 1-2 a day, 2-3 days per week.

[Sora]

Ok thank you atomic for the big up and all the infos ! :hug2:

Sorry we disgressed a bit, I will be carefull from now on to create threads if I want to ask questions.

Okay I will stick with mango as much as I can for starters. I'm having apples and bananas cause they are the cheapest of fruits and easiest to put in a bag and eat when on the move.

Found V8, I've seen many a post about it. I hope it's still good with swaying.

Also thank you, I was considering trying BD the day of positive OPK then the next and again during the night. Glad I got that right. And no, no more lonely attempt once in a blue moon :twins:

For Oligobs, it has B6, B9, B12, vit C, Zinc, Cuivre, Sélénium, Chrome, Magnésium, Taurine, Inositol and is sold with 30 pills of omega 3 (fish oil). Couldn't find the amounts again but from the top off my head, it's not very high.

I can find vit D on its own at 1000 UI or more but wonder about the other vitamins.

I don't drink except a glass of red wine from times to times so it should be all good :)

[Sora]

Ha, no we were Pretty abstain-y. Not great doers. My DH has a pretty low sex drive. He might have released a week or so before attempt. I guess I was doing quite a few things that should sway girl but got boys nonetheless. Fingers crossed that you get my blue dust and I get your pink this time!

That said, I always had porridge for breakfast with rolled oats and flaxseed and chia seeds and fruit. And I ate pretty frequently and wasn’t trying to lose weight so my blood sugar never really got that low.

Thank you deer ! :kissy: I give you all my pink dust !

What are rolled oats ?

Yep that's a big difference I've noticed. People swaying blue tend to graze and eat frequently. No wonder I swayed pink :twins: I don't like eating between meals and I'm always dieting and skipping breakfast and/or dinner !

[Ohdeer]

They’re porridge oats but they’re unmilled so they’re whole, like the oats you’d get in flapjacks. Thanks for the pink dust!

[atomic sagebrush]

No not at all, it was a wonderful and interesting thread and I still want to comment on the other topic too just haven't had time yet. Just want you to get your questions answered as fast as I can!

You can absolutely have apples and bananas, it's just that if you have the option of more nutritious, that will be better.

Oh yikes yes the inositol may sway pink!! It's probably not a very high amount but people do take that for pink sways so you may want to find another option. I know Chezlby (another French blue swayer) had a hard time finding prenatals too and ended up ordering some online, I think. :agree: with the 1000 IU Vit. D that is probably the most important element of it all, anyway.

Everything else is looking good - keep me posted if you have any other questions!

[Sora]

I think I'll try ordering One A Day Women even if it's not easy.

Ok I'll keep on as much fruits as I can manage anyway.

I've also had stewed fruits when I couldn't have fresh ones. I use a new organic brand marketed towards babies that I've been buying for both my DDs for 3 years now. I like them because there's no added sugar nor any substitutes, just the fruits with a bit of lemon juice. I hope it's ok too since I found it helps getting access to a wide array of fruits and makes it easier to add more portions during the day.

PS : I found some Quaker Oat Squares but only the Cinnamon ones. Is it still okay though ? I've heard cinnamon may sway pink...

[Sora]

One thing, should I put DH on One a Day or something ? (He is not happy about taking supps)

Already trying to make him quit coffee and energy drinks ^^ (even less happy about it)

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes the pureed fruits are fine!

Don't worry about cinnamon in dietary amounts like that. I wouldn't eat massive bowls of them several times a day but even once a day is fine. The cinnamon only sways pink when people are already on a pink-friendly diet, because it lowers blood sugar. It is really impossible on HE Diet to lower your blood sugar because you're always eating! :)

If DH is willing I generally have men take men's One a Day over 50 (even if he's not over 50. I just prefer the nutrient breakdown in that one) But my husband woudl NEVER take vitamins and we have 4 boys so I promise it's not a necessity.

[Sora]

Okay glad it is ! :approve:

I will let him go for now then. He claims he doesn't need vits :fight:

I found some One a Day Women on Internet that shipped to France, yay ! :cheer:

I was wondering about omega 3, is there something about it ? Can't remember if there was some supp or form that was better than others...

[atomic sagebrush]

Nope, any kind of fish oil or Omega 3 supp is fine. You will want to limit OMega 6 (and you will be getting some from diet, which is fine) so you may wish to avoid the supplements that have Omega 6 in them already.

[Sora]

Okay found Omega 3 supps with a bit of vit E in the mix. Now to get folic, is there some brand that is better ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Any kind that is easy for you to get without having to order it and wait weeks for it to arrive! People order some of it online and then when they run out it's very stressful, so I want you to either buy enough to last you or else be sure you get a kind you can easily replace.

[Sora]

Finally got my One a Day Women. Since there's folic in it, will it be enough or should I take more supps ?

[Sora]

So now I'm on One a Day women (finally!) and omega 3. I wonder if I can up my vitD to 2000 IU since the first bottle I bought before receiving my order of One a Day is still half-full ? I don't want to overdo things either.

I've seen that One a Day contains folates and all, is that enough or should I still take folic supps ?

Also I've been wondering about iron supps. I still have some left from my last pregnancies, 80mg pills... Is it too much ? Since I drink tea and have always been anemic because of AF and not eating meat and such before... DH tells me that iron supps are badly assimilated into the body anyway and I'd better get more iron through diet but I'm hesitating.

The more I sway, the more I believe that having girls had to do with both our one attempt and my poor condition vits/minerals-wise at the time so I don't want my body to think I'm unhealthy anymore. :worry:

[atomic sagebrush]

Why don't you compromise and take an extra vitamin D 2-3 times a week in addition to the One a Day until they're used up? that way you'll be getting some extra, they won't be wasted, but it won't be such a sky high amount (it is saved up in your body!)

I like you guys to take folic acid or folate to equal 2000 mcg for blue sways.

The lower dose iron like the 80 mg type are better assimilated than those in the hundreds of mg. Let's do the same with the iron, since iron overdose can be harmful...just take them 2 days a week. That way you'll be getting some extra without going overboard with them.

[Sora]

And back again ! :running:

When you say folic 2000mcg, is it 2000 mcg a day ? It seems huge and I can't find that dose anywhere. It's only given for treating some digestive illnesses. Was told that 500mcg/day was enough since I have had much stress for months now.

On that note, what effect does stress have on a blue sway ? I've always heard that stress could sway pink and I'm afraid it could hurt my sway.

Just to make it short, I was assaulted in February by a mentally ill neighbour in front of my girls (didn't know she had psychological troubles, noone warned me and she seemed normal enough, I liked talking with her)... I've had a hard time coping ever since : nightmares, agoraphobia... I don't take any meds for that, had started swaying and didn't want to change my plans. I'm still afraid though because even though she moved after the incident, I'm told she might escape sentence on the grounds of her mental illness and the fact there were no other witnesses on that day.

So idk, I want to prevent failing my sway because of all that stress. I thought about TTC next year but we do have other plans that may make it difficult to start a pregnancy way into 2019. And I don't want that woman's actions to weight on our lives anymore than they already do. I'm still following the diet, try to rest, do some breathing exercises... It helps and I hope it's enough but if you have any other ideas to help reduce stress (or nutrients loss because of it), I'm all ears.

[Sora]

And up ! DH has come down with a fever ! :worry: We still have one month left before our first attempt but now I'm really worried ! Will it hurt our sway ? :nails:

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for bumping this, I'd started to answer but I think it got closed and then I forgot I hadn't replied yet.

Yes, it's 2000 mcg a day. This is what I have all blue swayers take. Some of us actually are given 4000-5000 mcg a day if we have a history of neural tube defects. Yes I know some places say to take only 400-500 a day, but the many pregnancy experts say 800-1000 mcg is better (and that is without swaying!). I personally conceived a baby with spina bifida taking 800 a day and eating a very healthy diet besides so I prefer you guys take at least 1000. You can just take the 500 more than one time, so in the morning, lunch, and night.

Oh gosh that sounds like a terrible ordeal for you! Some things are just out of our control and we shouldn't worry about how they affect our sway. We can't control what has happened, so focus on the parts of your sway you CAN control. Diet, exercise, supplements - we KNOW those things will sway blue for you, so focus on that. We honestly can't know if that stress would affect your sway either negatively or positively so just focus on the parts of your sway you can affect.

How high a fever??? I think a month is plenty of time for him to recover from that if he's on multivitamins and doing regular release, but if it's very high you may want to give it another month.

[Sora]

Hi thank you for answering !

It was a fever of 102°f but it is already going down. He has taken one or two pills of paracetamol. Still trying to put him on multivitamins but we are doing the regular release.

Found a vitB sups with 1000µ B12 et 368µg B9 et 2000µg B6, is it good ?

[Sora]

And bump !

DH says he has a bit of a cough so now he is taking antibiotics :rolleyes: I'm starting to wonder if he's trying to sabotage our TTC attempt... Although he did say yes, he only wanted two children originally.

Still doing the regular release though.

[atomic sagebrush]

GRR this did not post for some reason, still here in autosave.

Oh good just keep him on the paracetemol till he's better.

I would rather you just took more than one pill of the B9. By taking them with the additional B vitamins you can end up getting too much of those. And theB9 is better used by the body when you take smaller amounts more often, so morning, noon and night, for example.

[atomic sagebrush]

And bump !

DH says he has a bit of a cough so now he is taking antibiotics :rolleyes: I'm starting to wonder if he's trying to sabotage our TTC attempt... Although he did say yes, he only wanted two children originally.

Still doing the regular release though.

The old school sway gurus claimed antibiotics swayed blue anyway.

Here's the thing - not I nor anyone can really know if this is a good month for you guys. Ask yourself, if you will regret it forever it you try this month and get a girl (blame DH, etc). In that case then maybe it's better to wait. I don't personally think you need to wait, but you need to do what you can live with in terms of walking away from this feeling like you have given it your best effort. But do try to keep in mind that for all we know this may be a great month for you to have a boy, and another month, something else may happen that could be even worse!

I hope he's feeling better very soon!

[Sora]

The old school sway gurus claimed antibiotics swayed blue anyway.

Here's the thing - not I nor anyone can really know if this is a good month for you guys. Ask yourself, if you will regret it forever it you try this month and get a girl (blame DH, etc). In that case then maybe it's better to wait. I don't personally think you need to wait, but you need to do what you can live with in terms of walking away from this feeling like you have given it your best effort. But do try to keep in mind that for all we know this may be a great month for you to have a boy, and another month, something else may happen that could be even worse!

I hope he's feeling better very soon!

THAT exactly ! I get the same feeling. IDK if it's good or bad, my gut-feeling tells me I should try this month already because the sooner the better... and like you said, nothing guarantee we won't have other problems next month, or even next year...

Diet-wise and all, I feel like a lot of things changed already and my body seems to respond. I just hope it will be good enough.:pray:

[atomic sagebrush]

Sounds good to me!! Sending you tons of blue dust!

[Sora]

I found some prenatal for men, wanted to quickly check if it was ok, looked fine to me :

Conceptio

Powder to dilute in water :

L-carnitine - 3g
Saccharose - 1,1g
Zinc - 10mg
Selenium - 50mcg

+ Pills :

Fish oil - hard to see but it looks like it's over 1000mg with DHA 800mg
CoQ10 - 30mg
VitE - 12mg
VitB6 - 1,4mg

[Sora]

And bump !

Also, I've seen that post by Panther and you about fish oil supps and how it can thin blood, lower cholesterol and cause opposites :worry:

I've been taking 1000mg/day for a month now. Should I rather take it every 2 days ? I have high levels of cholesterol so I thought it would still be okay but now I have doubts...

[Sora]

Bump my other post didn't work, wonder why :rolleyes:

Only one week before TTC. I've seen a post by Panther about too much fish oil/day that could thin blood, lower cholesterol and cause opposites in people swaying blue. A bit worried now cause I've been taking 1000mg a day this last month :worry:

I have high levels of cholesterol (not good) and I rarely eat fish so maybe it's okay ?

[atomic sagebrush]

That is a massive amount of carnitine and B6 I think it's too much. I would not give him that.

I'm so sorry I missed that post, thanks for the bump!

Yes I'd like you to drop down to every other day on the fish oil from now on. We don't even know that cholesterol has anything to do with it, I just feel like we were seeing too many opposites for a while there and some of the people who got opposites were on a very high dose of both EPO and fish oil and so it makes sense to me for us to drop EPO (which most everyone has) and cut back on fish oil. :)

[Sora]

Ok so less fish oil from now on. A bit disappointed for DH, there's so few things for men here, it's like... men are strong, they don't need vits and never get sick, it's all a girl thing :mad: He has only taken a few pills recently so it should be okay ?

He has enough of a good diet but pretty sure he is missing out on some vits. Should I keep him on vitD though ? He has been taking 1000UI once a day like me. I guess it's the most he can do for now.

[Sora]

I'm getting confused about BD. For now we are doing the every 2-4 days. Now that there's only one week left (more or less) before OPK+ we have BD two times already (yesterday and the day before) cause husband is very in the mood :running: I don't want to tire him out but what should we do for that last week ? I've read that BD everyday before the fertile window is not a good idea for blue because it could deplete husband before the egg comes ? He claims he is not tired :think: but I don't want him to be virtually weak and sterile when OPK+ will be there.

[Sora]

That's really weird, I wonder why some of my posts do appear and others do not ! It has happened a lot lately...

Anyway, I'm keeping DH on vitD if the other supps are not good.

Also I was wondering, since DH is totally in the mood this month, we have been BD quite a bit. We still try to keep the every 2-4 days frequency but we DTD today and yesterday. But I don't want to tire him out before OPK+ which should appear in more or less 5 days. Not sure what to do now...

[Sora]

That is a massive amount of carnitine and B6 I think it's too much. I would not give him that.

I'm so sorry I missed that post, thanks for the bump!

Yes I'd like you to drop down to every other day on the fish oil from now on. We don't even know that cholesterol has anything to do with it, I just feel like we were seeing too many opposites for a while there and some of the people who got opposites were on a very high dose of both EPO and fish oil and so it makes sense to me for us to drop EPO (which most everyone has) and cut back on fish oil. :)

Bump it seems none of my posts work anywhere on the site ? I wonder why ?

[Sora]

Only 4 days or so before OPK+ :omg:

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok so less fish oil from now on. A bit disappointed for DH, there's so few things for men here, it's like... men are strong, they don't need vits and never get sick, it's all a girl thing :mad: He has only taken a few pills recently so it should be okay ?

He has enough of a good diet but pretty sure he is missing out on some vits. Should I keep him on vitD though ? He has been taking 1000UI once a day like me. I guess it's the most he can do for now.

I do it that way deliberately because first of all, many men will not even take stuff so it's a huge fight over nothing. Because second of all, supplements really have not worked well for men. Both for pink and for blue swayers, they have not seemed to help sways (which makes sense because it's our bodies who must carry that baby for 9 months) and so it is silly to have a fight with him over that because it makes him less likely to do the things that REALLY do make a difference - like stopping smoking, which is the single best thing he can do. Husbands very often get annoyed and will start doing things to undermine the sway when we ask them to do too much, so I prefer asking them to do the minimal amount of things that really do help instead of making them take tons of pills which many of them won't do anyway.

I am unclear, though - he can still take some supplements, just not those particular ones you were planning on giving him. He should be taking a multivitamin, a lower dose of fish oil like you (like 500 a day), YES the 1000 IU Vit. D, carnitine and arginine but just NOT that super high dose (500-1000 mg instead of 3 g!!) and 100 mg Coq10. I feel like we are having a misunderstanding where because I did not like that particular type of vitamin, you have taken that to mean that he shouldn't take anything, but it is still good to give him those things.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm getting confused about BD. For now we are doing the every 2-4 days. Now that there's only one week left (more or less) before OPK+ we have BD two times already (yesterday and the day before) cause husband is very in the mood :running: I don't want to tire him out but what should we do for that last week ? I've read that BD everyday before the fertile window is not a good idea for blue because it could deplete husband before the egg comes ? He claims he is not tired :think: but I don't want him to be virtually weak and sterile when OPK+ will be there.

Do not BD any more often than every other day for blue. Even if he thinks he can go more often, we have had better success with every other day instead of daily BD.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's really weird, I wonder why some of my posts do appear and others do not ! It has happened a lot lately...

Anyway, I'm keeping DH on vitD if the other supps are not good.

Also I was wondering, since DH is totally in the mood this month, we have been BD quite a bit. We still try to keep the every 2-4 days frequency but we DTD today and yesterday. But I don't want to tire him out before OPK+ which should appear in more or less 5 days. Not sure what to do now...

For reasons I do not understand several of your posts have required moderation before posting. I do not know why this is, and I sent a message to tech support over it. If it happens again please let me know via PM and I will approve them for you. I can't see them until I click open the link so I need you to let me know if they aren't showing up. So terribly sorry and we'll get this straightened out for you.

Answered other questions above! I will try to make a point of checking this thread daily to see if your posts are here and if they aren't showing up I'll approve them, but don't hesitate to let me know if you post anwhere else and they need approval.

[Sora]

Thank you atomic for all the replies ! It seems the problem is still there sadly :worry: I will let you know about it but it's true the timing couldn't be worse :giggle: so many questions !

It's alright I understand completely why you said the other supps were not good, I didn't know it was such high amounts. It's marketed towards all men who wish to start TTC a child but I wonder if it wouldn't be better for men who have trouble conceiving. I do know these pills are known for having helped many a man with bad quality sperm over the years...

Anyway, husband is ok with fish oil and vitD only. I didn't find anything else. We don't fight about it, if anything he is the one mocking all my pills since I never was a supps' girl before. But he is VERY happy about the every other day BD... It's true we were pretty absitnency before, my fault really, got that bad habit from my ex who was always out of town for weeks at times.

So we're still on every 2-3 days for BD, quietly and waiting for OPK+... Planning to DTD the night of first OPK+, the morning after and the following night like recommended. And maybe next day if DH has any strenght left. It def should be ok since he doesn't have to work on these days, lucky !

[atomic sagebrush]

I'll just keep checking this thread every day so I can approve anythign you post. You can also PM me if you post anywhere else (like in a support thread where I don't always read them) and I'll approve it.

1)The unfortunate thing is that many herb sellers will sell things that are very likely harmful and there's really no oversight on them so we can't always rely on them to only sell things in safe amounts. So some of the people who were taking them actually WERE harmed by them, very likely, it's just that many times people can overcome harmful things and get lucky and still conceive with them. Others may have had such low testosterone that the higher amounts would have not had as negative an effect. What I do know is, time after time, the people who come to me having trouble conceiving are the people taking massive doses of nutrients so I think it's best for you guys to stick to a sane and healthy dose instead of the really high doses.

2)Perfect! Yes I do like you guys to keep going for a day or so after the O-1 and O Day attempt in case ovulation is delayed by a day or so.

[Sora]

I was wondering about OPK since I need to buy some more soon... I use the simple Clearblue, the one which detects only the LH surge. I've seen and heard about the other one who gives you fertile days and peak days... Is one better than the other ? Cause OPK+ is solid smiley, right ? So as soon as mine flashes its smiley it's all good to go ? Don't want to be late to the party :giggle:

[Sora]

Huh that's weird, I should've got OPK+ today but my tests all come back negative. If I'm delayed, what should I do ? I can't have DH abstain but if he releases today and OPK+ gets there say, tomorrow or the day after, won't he be tired ?

[atomic sagebrush]

It is up to you about whichever you find easier.

Some people like the warning that the other Clearblue gives. It works for some people, for others it adds more confusion.

Flashy smiley is not positive, only the solid non-flashing smiley is positive. :)

We need to have DH release now. Don't worry about him getting tired, it takes 7-10 days of release to deplete sperm count and even that really doesn't sway pink (we tried that as a pink sway tactic but got poor results with it.)

[Sora]

Still neg this morning, I'm astounded. To think it would happen this month too ! I try not to worry but it's hard... Sometimes I'm afraid it happened sooner but I doubt it. Usually if something disturbs O, it's late, not the other way around. It's true I was stressed out at the start of the month, had to plan a friend's wedding then had troubles with my train and missed the wedding entirely :sad: And got into a fight with my mother-in-law a few days later... but never thought this would be enough to throw the whole cycle in disarray ! Ah yes and that heat wave did not help, sure...

Now just worried I'll miss the window somehow and only get one attempt in :worry:

[atomic sagebrush]

I would have a couple attempts anyway just in case the tests aren't detecting the surge but keep testing!

Sometimes stress, even seemingly minor, does delay ovulation. I have noticed (several times, sigh!!) that between our Thanksgiving holiday and Christmas shopping and preparations that my ovulation can be delayed and then I end up almost always getting my period right on the holidays! It's happened SOOOO often that I pretty much expect it by this point! :/

[Sora]

I would have a couple attempts anyway just in case the tests aren't detecting the surge but keep testing!

Sometimes stress, even seemingly minor, does delay ovulation. I have noticed (several times, sigh!!) that between our Thanksgiving holiday and Christmas shopping and preparations that my ovulation can be delayed and then I end up almost always getting my period right on the holidays! It's happened SOOOO often that I pretty much expect it by this point! :/

Thank you it's a bit reassuring to hear :kissy:

Haha I feel you, I've heard about this whole "periods that delay right on holidays". Never happened to me in winter but it did happened for summer holidays and it's a bummer having AF starts while you're enjoying the sea :giggle:

I've already had late O's (twice this year alone, well before starting the diet) but I usually needs a major change or trauma hence my surprise this time around. But I do admit I had some pretty bad nights because of the stress, the travels and heat this month so lack of sleep alone may have done it.

I'll carry on with the tests (still neg this afternoon). It should have been O-1 today (O has been on the 30th for the last six months). Should I get the couple attempts there ? We already BD yesterday night just in case OPK was a false neg (which I doubt but you never know)...

[Sora]

Still neg as of this morning. I'm wondering if I'll even O this month at this rate :omg:

[atomic sagebrush]

Agh sorry just got to this post!

Yes do go ahead and ahve a couple attempts when you normally get O (or ASAP since we are past that now) just in case we're getting false negatives. They do sometimes give false negatives)

I think it's most likely your O is delayed. It will still happen, just may be off a week or so (and then your period will come late as well in that case.)

ARe you eating a lot of simple carbs like candy, bananas, bread? we may want to cut back somewhat on those.

[Sora]

Okay, will do tonight. We DTD on the 28th, the 29th already but nothing on the 30th since DH was feeling unwell and tired because of the heat.

About carbs ? Hm no ? At least not what you mentionned... I did have some chips lately because we had been eating outside a lot while out of town (at friends' or at pubs). But other than that I tried to stay close to the diet : cereals in the morning (crunchy oat with red berries), meat twice a day with either pasta, lentils or beans, fruits (mango), chestnuts (a bit more than usual, could it be that ?) and fruit juices (blueberry, orange, grapes, apple + coconut water). Even at the heat wave peak, when not too hungry, I made a point of eating meat. I've had more potatoes lately, maybe that ? I've eaten some that are mashed with eggs then fried. Buy them all made and just heat them a bit in the oven. Thought it would give me a bit eggs since I have trouble eating them.

[Sora]

DH blames the heat (no AC). It started a week ago and peeked just before O so...

As for BD for now we've had :
July 16th right at the end of AF
The 19th and 20th if memory serves right.
The 23rd
The 25th
28th and 29th
31st today.
I hope it at least amounts to a good number of attempts to raise fertility.:fx:

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: Ok good I'd have had u take that day off anyway.

Re the carbs - it sounds like you're doing just fine, keep doing what you've been doing. What I wanted to be sure of was that you weren't eating tons of bananas and so on on top of your HE Diet. People will often decide "well, I'll do everything in BOTH diets" plus keep going with their normal habits of candy/cookies/cakes and then they end up eating 4000 cals a day and tons of carbs. This can make some people who are prone to PCOS, have delayed ovulation. But I don't think that is what is happening here.

:agree: yes you've had a wonderful amount of attempts, keep going with every other day and then hit it with 3 attempts at pos OPK when you get one.

[Sora]

:agree: Ok good I'd have had u take that day off anyway.

Re the carbs - it sounds like you're doing just fine, keep doing what you've been doing. What I wanted to be sure of was that you weren't eating tons of bananas and so on on top of your HE Diet. People will often decide "well, I'll do everything in BOTH diets" plus keep going with their normal habits of candy/cookies/cakes and then they end up eating 4000 cals a day and tons of carbs. This can make some people who are prone to PCOS, have delayed ovulation. But I don't think that is what is happening here.

:agree: yes you've had a wonderful amount of attempts, keep going with every other day and then hit it with 3 attempts at pos OPK when you get one.

Oh glad to hear that, it's a bit reassuring.

I used to try and have bananas at first but don't like them much and my girls kept stealing them to snack :giggle: plus my doc did say any fruit was fine and I happen to like mango more. Hate candy and as for cookies/cakes I stopped them when I started the diet, knew I would gain anyway through meat and fruits and didn't want to add more weight on top of that. So bye cakes, maybe one day :drama:

4000 cals :worry: ! Nah I couldn't, :nails:, rest assured I won't ever go near that amount even for a DS ! When you know that in France a healty non-preg woman is told not to go above 1200 cals, 1800-2000 already seems like Mt Everest to me :omg:

[atomic sagebrush]

Mango is WAY better for blue than bananas! :agree:

[Sora]

OMG OPK+ can't believe it !!!!!! We already kinda BD yesterday though, hope DH will be ok ?

WhatdoIdowhatdoIdowhatdoIdo ? :running: Wonder if there's something more that I could try. Didn't find preseed but I don't think it would have helped, DH says I'm already all kind of slippery so don't want any sperm to fall out :giggle:

Soo at least 3 attempts right ? That night, morning after and night after ? And maybe day after if possible ? And then 2WW.:think:

[Throwaway_panther]

Oh glad to hear that, it's a bit reassuring.

I used to try and have bananas at first but don't like them much and my girls kept stealing them to snack :giggle: plus my doc did say any fruit was fine and I happen to like mango more. Hate candy and as for cookies/cakes I stopped them when I started the diet, knew I would gain anyway through meat and fruits and didn't want to add more weight on top of that. So bye cakes, maybe one day :drama:

4000 cals :worry: ! Nah I couldn't, :nails:, rest assured I won't ever go near that amount even for a DS ! When you know that in France a healty non-preg woman is told not to go above 1200 cals, 1800-2000 already seems like Mt Everest to me :omg:

They're recommending 1200 calories as a normal daily amount?!?! No wonder we have so many French blue swayers :P

[Sora]

Ah yes, same with vits and supps, the amounts are very light compared to what I've read on the forum. When I saw at first the recommandations for a blue sway, I was scared because it's what is given to professionnal athletes here.:worry:

It goes that way -> 1200 for a non-preg woman
Unless she does sports regularly or has great metabolism, then she can have 1500.
More than that and you're called a hungry fatass (lots of body-shaming here sadly, hence why a lot of French girls are no heavier than 116lbs whatever their age and number of kids).

Over 1500 cals a day is for :pregnant: -> 2000 if they have a history of miscarriages or other health probs.
And even then, they are monitored and told they can't gain more than 2-4 lbs a month during pregnancy.

1800-2000 is recommended for teenagers cause growth, puberty, yada yada... And athletes of course, maybe more depending on what sports they do (swimming for example is often 4000 cals).

Side note : We did have lots of boys births though, especially these last few years, mainly to vegan parents -> my guess is they do get their 9 servings of fruits and take lots of supps so baby boys.
Also, while we're on the subject of supps, vit D is very often forgotten here. You get a bit of folic when you say you want TTC, a bit of vit C + iron and then you're basically on your own.

[atomic sagebrush]

OMG OPK+ can't believe it !!!!!! We already kinda BD yesterday though, hope DH will be ok ?

WhatdoIdowhatdoIdowhatdoIdo ? :running: Wonder if there's something more that I could try. Didn't find preseed but I don't think it would have helped, DH says I'm already all kind of slippery so don't want any sperm to fall out :giggle:

Soo at least 3 attempts right ? That night, morning after and night after ? And maybe day after if possible ? And then 2WW.:think:

Hey, I got 4 boys and never used Preseed! Natural EWCM is best anyway.

Yesterday's attempt will only help, esp. given that good EWCM.

Yep 3 attempts if possible, if you can only get in two that's ok (that's where yesterday attempt will really help!) And then if you can go again the day after O that's great, then every other day if possible to guard against delayed ovulation.

[Sora]

Ok thank you atomic !

[Sora]

Started bleeding today and it hurts. I think it's AF. Not overly surprised but disappointed.

I've been a bit remiss in the diet during 2ww especially since it was a bit hard on our finances, buying all these fruits and meat with the other bills we had to pay.

Do you think I hurt my sway ? I wonder if I may try this cycle again. After that idk but if it doesn't work it's possible we will put our project on hold for maybe a few months. I'm already overweight and I put on some pounds with HE diet so maybe I should try and loose a bit before ttc again. I don't want to be TTC while loosing weight and getting a girl instead.

[atomic sagebrush]

No it's totally fine to fall off a bit in the 2WW with HE Diet. Jsut as long as your blood sugar is up otherwise.

I think it's fine for you to try this cycle; remember there may be a peak of boy conceptions in Sept-Nov. so we are coming into that season now!

[Sora]

Thank you atomic !

Yes I remembered about the boy peak of autumn yesterday. But DH and I realized that since O was delayed, it will now happen at a time when he will not be home for August/September so TTC this cycle won't be possible after all. We agreed to try during October/November. I will use the time to pick back weights and maybe add CoQ10 and probiotics to my supps.

How much of these should I take btw ? I used to take a small amount of probiotics from time to time but I see there are much bigger ones.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh bummer, but that's ok, I like to think this is just God/the universe's way of making sure you can have the best sway you can.

I would try to stop weight gain and pick the weights up and see what happens. If a small amount of weight sneaks off, it is ok. We have not found small amounts of weight loss to be predictive of whose sways work.

100 mg coq10 and then the probiotics, just get a name brand you feel comfortable with and take that. They're all formulated differently and we don't know if a higher dose is better than a lower one.

[Sora]

Okay thank you.

Yes in some way I'm a bit okay with having more time to refine my sway. Still a bit sad it didn't work though especially since we tried so hard despite the heat and the delay. Even though I know it's one in four chance, I can't help but feel like this is my fault somewhere somehow, especially since DD2 happened SO easily when we didn't wish for another pregnancy too soon. DH is still a bit traumatized about how quick and easy it was (took 8 months+ for DD1). :worry:

I wonder if muscle gain even counts as weight loss (read, the body picking it up as a signal of danger and bad times) seeing as you're just replacing pounds of fat with pounds of muscles. Too much may not be good, sure, and it can throw the cycle off but otherwise you're more healthy when you're more muscular than fat so...

[atomic sagebrush]

We know that it's ok to lose fat and gain muscle because we have a good study that shows even in times of famine, the women with the most muscle mass have the most boys. Plus, a lot of us, myself included, got boys when we were weighing very much the same as when we got our daughters, just more muscle when we got our boys. So muscle is all good for TTC a boy.

[Throwaway_panther]

Okay thank you.

Yes in some way I'm a bit okay with having more time to refine my sway. Still a bit sad it didn't work though especially since we tried so hard despite the heat and the delay. Even though I know it's one in four chance, I can't help but feel like this is my fault somewhere somehow, especially since DD2 happened SO easily when we didn't wish for another pregnancy too soon. DH is still a bit traumatized about how quick and easy it was (took 8 months+ for DD1). :worry:

I wonder if muscle gain even counts as weight loss (read, the body picking it up as a signal of danger and bad times) seeing as you're just replacing pounds of fat with pounds of muscles. Too much may not be good, sure, and it can throw the cycle off but otherwise you're more healthy when you're more muscular than fat so...

Just echoing atomic, I have a long history in the fitness community, and I can tell you that retaining muscle or gaining muscle is not going to make your body think its in a famine. I think that sort of body "recomposition" is the biggest sign that the boy diet is working since you need calories and protein to keep muscle in favor of fat. And you'd never run the risk of gaining too much muscle :P It is VERY difficult to gain a lot of muscle, especially for women.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just echoing atomic, I have a long history in the fitness community, and I can tell you that retaining muscle or gaining muscle is not going to make your body think its in a famine. I think that sort of body "recomposition" is the biggest sign that the boy diet is working since you need calories and protein to keep muscle in favor of fat. And you'd never run the risk of gaining too much muscle :P It is VERY difficult to gain a lot of muscle, especially for women.

:agree: :agree: :agree: Well put, thanks!

[Linni]

Hi Sora!
I was wondering if you already got your BfP...?


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[Sora]

Hi, no. I'm not TTC as of now. Can't because DH is not there most of the next O-days and I'm still loosing weight. Put on too much lbs with my first few tries last summer. I can't afford to start a pregnancy with this much, it will ruin my health. So we are waiting for now. We may have to wait til next summer even.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for keeping us updated! Hope everything is well in your world!

[Sora]

You're welcome. Wish things were better. Feel a bit envious seeing the successfull sways lately, although I'm still happy for them. Still wondering why we didn't conceive last summer. Too hot ? Too much stress ? Trying to go with the flow.

[Sora]

Hi again atomic and everyone !

I will start TTC again soon (and getting worried as the day draws near). Starting to eat breakfast again and adding meat. Found some good dried chicken stuff to snack on, yum ! And picking up weights for good this time around !

I wanted to make sure of things concerning supps before DTD.

As of now I'm taking :

Women One a Day (daily)
Fish oil Omega 3 1000mg (every 2 days)
coq10 200mg (daily)
folic 400mg (daily)
vitD 1000ui, wich, combined with Women One a Day, makes it 2000ui/day

Need to buy back probiotics and thinking about taking more folics. But I'm worried about it delaying O ? I had another delay the past month, maybe because I caught the flu twice around and was very tired...

Also is the coq 10 really necessary ? It does wonder to my skin but since lots of girls had their boys without it idk...

Well, what do you think ?

Also DH is taking Men One a Day 50+ now !

[atomic sagebrush]

Folic acid shouldn't delay ovulation, never had that reported to me.

The coq10 is not necessary but it may help you grow muscle with the weights.

Everything is looking great - have DH take the probiotics and Vit. D (I think they took Vit. D out of the men's One a Day over 50)

[Sora]

Folic acid shouldn't delay ovulation, never had that reported to me.

The coq10 is not necessary but it may help you grow muscle with the weights.

Everything is looking great - have DH take the probiotics and Vit. D (I think they took Vit. D out of the men's One a Day over 50)

Thank you atomic !

Yeah, I don't think folic acid had anything to do with the delay, it was just coincidence that it happened when I started taking it again I guess but just to be sure. The two flus may have been the culprit since I had a high fever both times for 3-5 days.

Hm yes now that you mention it, it seems they took some vit D off Men One a Day over 50, I noticed the iu were lower than Women... Will see to that.

About carbs, what should I do ? I gain weight easily (and don't loose it that easily) and I'm afraid of swaying pink since I'm already on the heavy side. But fruits and fruit juices still look important so...

Is V8 still good for blue ? I haven't heard of it in a while in blue sways...

[atomic sagebrush]

Fruit juice and dry fruit is NOT important and those are the two main things that make people gain weight on the blue diet. Skip em. Have lemon water and tomato juice or V8, which is great for blue. I'd have you focus on lean meats, fresh fruit, veg, and please keep both potatoes and bananas minimal. They aren't magic boy foods and they do cause weight gain.

We say protein+carbs for boys but you really don't have to go overboard on the carbs. A small amount like in a piece of fruit is plenty. You don't need meat + potato+juice+ whole grain roll+ dark choc at every meal. That will make you gain weight. Just a very small amount of pro+ carbs will keep your blood sugar in normal range.

[Sora]

Fruit juice and dry fruit is NOT important and those are the two main things that make people gain weight on the blue diet. Skip em. Have lemon water and tomato juice or V8, which is great for blue. I'd have you focus on lean meats, fresh fruit, veg, and please keep both potatoes and bananas minimal. They aren't magic boy foods and they do cause weight gain.

We say protein+carbs for boys but you really don't have to go overboard on the carbs. A small amount like in a piece of fruit is plenty. You don't need meat + potato+juice+ whole grain roll+ dark choc at every meal. That will make you gain weight. Just a very small amount of pro+ carbs will keep your blood sugar in normal range.

Okay thank you so much ! It's true that last summer I had a lot of fruit juice and dry fruits, that may be why I gained weight so quickly. And I admit having lots of potatoes too (love them sooo much but usually I tend to eat them in the dead of winter).

So fresh fruits it is ! Are home-made smoothies okay ? Since we will TTC in summer, I feel like it will be easier getting my portions that way. Glad not to have to go all out with bananas, still don't like them much.

About lean meats, is chicken okay ? I get the feeling that blue sways are more successfull with beef/red meat than chicken (although there were great vegetarian blue sways lately). I'm okay with red meat btw, it's just about getting a general idea in case I'm stuck with only chicken or eggs at home.

Lemon water and tomato juice I can do easily. I had V8 only once before, found it manageable so it should be okay...

About cereals and dark choc since you mentionned it, is it okay if I take them only for breakfast then ? I've seen some girls eating them at night :suprise: but can't see myself eating choc or porridge in bed haha !

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes smoothies are great!! Depending on ingredients they have protein + carbs and you tend to sip them over long periods of time which keeps your blood sugar from dropping.

Chicken is great! I honestly have never liked red meat much, and always ate far more chicken and I have 4 boys!

Yes of course you can have the cereal/choc at any time of day, whenever it works for you!!

[Sora]

Yes smoothies are great!! Depending on ingredients they have protein + carbs and you tend to sip them over long periods of time which keeps your blood sugar from dropping.

Chicken is great! I honestly have never liked red meat much, and always ate far more chicken and I have 4 boys!

Yes of course you can have the cereal/choc at any time of day, whenever it works for you!!

Thank you ! Also I was wondering : can I up vit D yet again ? I've been reading the sways of my buddies from last summer and noticed some did take lots of it in the last weeks before TTC. Since we didn't have much sun this year, wouldn't it be good for DH and I ?

I have been worried about something too. My weight is anywhere between 160 and 170 lbs to my knowledge and I'm so afraid of swaying pink because of it. Looks like a lot of swayers are so much lighter even after three or four pregnancies :SS: :nails:

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't like anyone taking more than 1000 IU without a docs input so I'm already bending the rules a bit for you. :)

We have lots and lots of women on here with all boys whose weights are about 160-180. That is not the weight I consider concerning for a pink sway.

[Sora]

I don't like anyone taking more than 1000 IU without a docs input so I'm already bending the rules a bit for you. :)

We have lots and lots of women on here with all boys whose weights are about 160-180. That is not the weight I consider concerning for a pink sway.

Thank you I feel a bit more reassured about that now.

[Sora]

Soo, remember how I had trouble eating eggs ever since I gorged myself with them as a student and ended up, like, super sick ? Just the smell of eggs could make me throw up !

Well, two weeks ago, I tried to eat a whole one lightly whisked with full fat milk and a bit of juice and... it worked ! You couldn't even tell there was an egg in there and I didn't need to add anything else !

IIRC, we need to eat at least 2 eggs a day if we also get meat and fish, right ? Will it be okay to have my eggs that way ? Plus, adding whole milk and juice to it will help with the nutrients or so I hope.

Also should I take iron again ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Raw?

My concern is that you might make yourself sick. I'm not sure the benefits of the egg would make up for getting salmonella. It's your choice as I know lots of people swear by raw eggs, but I can't advocate it.

How much iron is in your prenatal or multivitamin?

[Sora]

Raw?

My concern is that you might make yourself sick. I'm not sure the benefits of the egg would make up for getting salmonella. It's your choice as I know lots of people swear by raw eggs, but I can't advocate it.

How much iron is in your prenatal or multivitamin?

True, it's more risk of getting salmonella but I really don't know what to do otherwise ? The smell of cooked egg is still a problem, plus I never liked them scrambled. Also, I only ever ate the yolk before. Usually I would leave the whites to my brother who hated the yolk and was glad to get rid of it through me. Raw seems to be my only way to gobble down the whole thing. Idk ? I could make cakes with them haha, but not sure I would get the same benefits ?

As for iron, there's 18mg in my One a Day Women. I can't remember how much folic I'm supposed to take ? I know it's a lot more than what is usually advised ? For now I've been taking 800 mcg/day.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just skip them. Have cheese, nuts, beans instead. I promise it's ok.

YES you can also put them in baked goods - cakes and bread. The nutrition is the same.

Unless you have reason to think you're anemic I'd just stick with the iron in the One A Day.

The recommendation is 2000 but if you're not drinking green tea, if you'd like to continue with the 800 plus the amount in the One A Day that's fine. :)

[Sora]

Just skip them. Have cheese, nuts, beans instead. I promise it's ok.

YES you can also put them in baked goods - cakes and bread. The nutrition is the same.

Unless you have reason to think you're anemic I'd just stick with the iron in the One A Day.

The recommendation is 2000 but if you're not drinking green tea, if you'd like to continue with the 800 plus the amount in the One A Day that's fine. :)

I know I was a bit anemic but I don't know if it still stands. I drink green tea :nails: I can stop, I won't miss it much but I also drink black tea, red tea, white tea... Should I up iron and B9 then to be sure ?

[atomic sagebrush]

If you have a history of anemia you can take extra iron 3x a week. Just get the lowest dose you can find, 30-60 mg max, and don't take it daily, only 3x a week.

I would have you take the 2000 mcg folic or folate and keep drinking the tea.

[Sora]

If you have a history of anemia you can take extra iron 3x a week. Just get the lowest dose you can find, 30-60 mg max, and don't take it daily, only 3x a week.

I would have you take the 2000 mcg folic or folate and keep drinking the tea.

I still have iron at home but it's 80mg. Should I try taking it but like, once a week ?

I still don't understand much about folic and folates, is one better than the other or is it just for people who can't have folics and who should switch on folates ?

I'll try to pancake my eggs :giggle: I've seen there's also powdered eggs (usually for people who are into camping or for military purpose but really anyone can buy these), would it do the trick ? I remember these are usually treated against salmonella.

[Sora]

If you have a history of anemia you can take extra iron 3x a week. Just get the lowest dose you can find, 30-60 mg max, and don't take it daily, only 3x a week.

I would have you take the 2000 mcg folic or folate and keep drinking the tea.

About DH, is One a Day Men enough or should he take other supps too ? Also, if I'm not mistaken, you've got to get at least 90g proteins a day, right ?

Also about guaifenesin... I found this, is that okay ?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06X9D9DNT/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A8OQR14YGBNNW&psc=1

[atomic sagebrush]

2x a week on the 80 mg.

Some people can't have folic acid and must have folate.

I don't think the eggs are important enough to resort to powdered eggs. I'd just have them in baked goods!

Yes most everything hubby needs is in the Men's One a Day. Some add in carnitine and arginine, and everyone will benefit from probiotic.

Yes that Guaifenesin is great.

90+ g protein is great, but anything more than you were having is fine. If you can only get up to 85 g, but you were having 40 g, that's still going to be blue friendly.

[Sora]

2x a week on the 80 mg.

Some people can't have folic acid and must have folate.

I don't think the eggs are important enough to resort to powdered eggs. I'd just have them in baked goods!

Yes most everything hubby needs is in the Men's One a Day. Some add in carnitine and arginine, and everyone will benefit from probiotic.

Yes that Guaifenesin is great.

90+ g protein is great, but anything more than you were having is fine. If you can only get up to 85 g, but you were having 40 g, that's still going to be blue friendly.

Ended what was left of my 80mg iron so like you said, I should try to find one who isn't too high, like around 60mg ?

I have a bit of trouble with the proteins. I was always under 40g and there's not much food around here (at least, cheap food) that has lots of them. I often have a hard time even getting to 60g per day. Sometimes I manage to go up to 80g though. Any tips that could help ?

I'm just 8-9 days into the HE and TTC at the start of July if all goes well. Have had another little prob lately : I'm not hungry. Got a stomach ache this week at the start of AF, nothing serious, just felt under the weather but since then I have had zero appetite.

I try to eat breakfast, had some chocolate and milk first when my stomach was still too upset and now I'm eating cereals mixed with 2-3 whole-milk yoghurts and crushed almonds. But I feel weird the rest of the time. I'm not hungry at all and not because I feel sick. It's just like... I don't need to eat ? Sometimes I will convince myself to munch on something but what's weird is that I crave meat/fish in the middle of morning/afternoon. But at lunch or dinner, I can't work up my appetite at all, even if I didn't snack before, and I will just do cheese, nuts and a bit of fruits. I still try to graze regularly though, try to have 3 real meals a day whatever the hour and at least 2 snack. It's just they're all out of order...

I don't know if it can affect the sway ? I don't even know what's happening exactly, it wasn't like this last time ? At least I feel full all day long and I'm not hungry at all waking up so I guess my blood levels aren't dropping too much ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes if you can find it! If you can only find 80 just take it 2x a week.

Can you tell me what you're eating for protein foods? I suspect you may just be calculating it differently.

Just eat what you can, when you can. Sometimes that happens on HE Diet, your body is just like ugh enough already! But as long as you're eating regularly and aren't going many hours with no food coming in it's ok.

[Sora]

Yes if you can find it! If you can only find 80 just take it 2x a week.

Can you tell me what you're eating for protein foods? I suspect you may just be calculating it differently.

Just eat what you can, when you can. Sometimes that happens on HE Diet, your body is just like ugh enough already! But as long as you're eating regularly and aren't going many hours with no food coming in it's ok.

So protein foods...:think:

-Chicken/turkey ham. 21g proteins every 100g. I eat between 140-180g a day.
- Ground almonds. 21g proteins every 100g but I'm more often around 50g-80g a day than 100g ^^". I mainly get these at breakfast/as a snack, often mixed in full fat yoghurt or cottage cheese with strawberries.
- Parmigiano reggiano cheese. 32g proteins every 100g which I have an easier time to eat around.
- Air-dried beef (bressaola and the likes) 40g proteins every 100g but you only find 60-80g in a pack. Anyway, one of the highest, if not the highest, source of animal proteins the average customer can find here.
- Sometimes I take pork gelatin shots like aira did in her blue sway. 100g yields 89g of proteins but of course I can't ingest all that at once :twins:. I only use 12g-18g mixed in fruit juice and drink it fast. I try to do that 3 times a week.

That's it for the main foods. And of course all around I graze on some other nuts like chestnuts, eats tuna twice a week, and then go with lentils, peas, eggs in cakes like we said, other cheese, full-fat dairy and so on...

I try not to go too long without food but sometimes it's hard. I see some boys moms eat like every two-hours. I managed it last summer but can't for now, I just feel full and satisfied ^^.

Another unrelated thing I forgot to ask about, is that THE preseed ?

https://www.amazon.fr/Ingfertility-Pre-Seed-Lubrifiant-multiusage-applications/dp/B001G7QNKM

Because sometimes I see that one :

https://www.amazon.fr/Fertilit%C3%A9-lubrifiant-pour-aider-concevoir/dp/B06X3W2LX7/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&keywords=preseed&qid=1558772068&s=gateway&sr=8-3

Not to mention we seem to have a french brand or whatever going around.

[Sora]

Up !

[atomic sagebrush]

I think you're getting plenty of protein. I suspect you are getting way more from the other things you're eating than you realize.

They're both the same, just in different packages. Anything marked as sperm safe, conception friendly is good for blue.

[Sora]

I think you're getting plenty of protein. I suspect you are getting way more from the other things you're eating than you realize.

They're both the same, just in different packages. Anything marked as sperm safe, conception friendly is good for blue.

Thank you, I'll go with that then :hug2:

Never tried the preseed but I haven't got much CM these past few months (a bit weird for me)... hope it goes well ! Does coconut water really helps with that ?

[atomic sagebrush]

The coconut water is for getting potassium without a bunch of calories, not for EWCM. Staying hydrated may help with EWCM though.

[Sora]

The coconut water is for getting potassium without a bunch of calories, not for EWCM. Staying hydrated may help with EWCM though.

Okay ! Thanks a lot !

[Sora]

Ookay ! I wanted to ask about it, must have had a gut feeling, literally...

What do we do if we are sick during our 6 weeks HE ? I have had diarrhea for two days (sorry I know gross). I don't feel too sick though and should be okay tomorrow or the day after. Still tried to eat though, take my supps and managed to stay hydrated but it was a hard two days. Since I've got a month left before TTC, my sway should be okay right ?

I've always wondered about what to do if we end up getting sick while swaying. Could the amount of vits and minerals lost sway pink ? Would it be better to postpone if it happens too close to the TTC date ?

[Bromedha]

I got viral fever and couldn't maintain HE diet during that planned attempt month. So I postponed the attempt month to next month and resumed HE

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[Sora]

I got viral fever and couldn't maintain HE diet during that planned attempt month. So I postponed the attempt month to next month and resumed HE

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Hi Bromedha, how are you ? :hug2:

I'm glad you're here I had questions about your own sway ! I think you took a lot of vit D right ? Didn't it make you sick ?

[atomic sagebrush]

That kind of thing I'd not have you delay a sway over. If you were super sick for a week, with high fever (even if just a bad cold) then in that case I ~might~ consider waiting a cycle.

[Sora]

That kind of thing I'd not have you delay a sway over. If you were super sick for a week, with high fever (even if just a bad cold) then in that case I ~might~ consider waiting a cycle.

Thank you ! I'm already better and I didn't have a fever. O is coming. Only one month left before TTC :nails:

[atomic sagebrush]

Glad you're feeling better!

[Sora]

I have trouble getting the guaifenesin I showed you the other day but I found this one although it's a 200mg. Is it okay ?

https://fr.iherb.com/pr/Enzymatic-Therapy-Air-Power-Guaifenesin-Expectorant-100-Tablets/2103

[atomic sagebrush]

Can you find one without the mullein and marshmallow?

[Sora]

Can you find one without the mullein and marshmallow?

None that ships quickly enough and cheap enough to France :tissue:

The only syrup with guaifenesin with have here is this one :

Guaïfénésine 200 mg/tbsp
Saccharose 5,55 g
Alcool 0,8 mg
Active : Guaïfénésine
Excipients : Acide acétique, Acide citrique anhydre, Alpha-terpinéol, Alpha-tocophérol, Caramel sirop, Carmellose sodique, Cinéole, Citral, Purified Water, Éthanol, Lévomenthol, Macrogol 40 stéarate, Miel, Polyéthylène oxyde, Propylèneglycol, Saccharine sodique, Saccharose, Sodium benzoate, Sodium citrate

[atomic sagebrush]

Let's go with the other one, those herbs ~should~ only help to make more CM but it's just that they're untested.

[Sora]

Let's go with the other one, those herbs ~should~ only help to make more CM but it's just that they're untested.

Sorry I didn't understand your answer. Should we go for the syrup or the tabs ?

I wonder, is guaifenesin really necessary for a blue sway or is it just to help getting pregnant quickly ? It seemed to work well enough for the girls but some others had great result without it too... I wonder ?

[atomic sagebrush]

I have trouble getting the guaifenesin I showed you the other day but I found this one although it's a 200mg. Is it okay ?

https://fr.iherb.com/pr/Enzymatic-Therapy-Air-Power-Guaifenesin-Expectorant-100-Tablets/2103

Let's do this one.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry I didn't understand your answer. Should we go for the syrup or the tabs ?

I wonder, is guaifenesin really necessary for a blue sway or is it just to help getting pregnant quickly ? It seemed to work well enough for the girls but some others had great result without it too... I wonder ?

We don't know. It's not been tested, it's all just guesses based on theories.

Whenever possible for blue I think natural is the way to go. If you have a good amount of EWCM I'd go with it and skip the guaifenesin if you want to.'

I am totally fine with you leaving it out. I got 4 boys and never touched the stuff.

[Sora]

We don't know. It's not been tested, it's all just guesses based on theories.

Whenever possible for blue I think natural is the way to go. If you have a good amount of EWCM I'd go with it and skip the guaifenesin if you want to.'

I am totally fine with you leaving it out. I got 4 boys and never touched the stuff.

OH I didn't see that post, thanks !

EWCM depends. It was good for a long time, then not, then good again last summer, then not just before starting HE DIET back, then good again for now. I bought Preseed in case I ever feel dry again.

For now my days looks like this :

Morning : Cereals with milk and fruit/juice OR Almonds and a fruit with full fat yoghurt and a bit of oats.
Snacking : Cheese or fruit or a bit of white meat and cream cheese.
Lunch : Often meat (red or white) with bread and cream cheese and V8. Lentils or beans. Need to add more vegetables.
Snacking : I admit I indulge in pancakes or icecream as of late. Try to get almonds too with either yoghurt, milk or cheese. Fruit juice also.
Dinner : Meat red or white, whatever with it pasta/pizza/soup but sometimes I would have only meat alone with a yoghurt and V8 or fruit because I'm just not hungry.
Before bed : Cereals or cheese or pureed fruit.

I have trouble squeezing vegetables in there. Thinking about trying to get more soups because I feel so full after meat and/or almonds that I can barely swallow more but liquids are okay.

For supps now I have Women One a Day, folics 2000, vit D, coq10, probiotics, fish oil 1000 (that I take every 2-3 days) found iron at 14...

Trying to do weights, will walk a lot this month for my job, playing video games to feel even more competitive.

DH has Men One a Day 50+, vitD 5000 with doc's blessing, probiotics and eats more vegetables than I do ^^". I hope it's okay for him to be all meat and vegetables cause for now he is avoiding carbs in the hopes of performing better in martial arts.

Only one month left before TTC :nails:

[atomic sagebrush]

Diet looking great - I def. had pancakes and ice cream when I got my boys.

if you can't get all the fruit and veg in that's fine. It's just a goal to aim at. I doubt I ever had that many fruit and veg when I got my boys.

The diet is much less important for DH and I think it's fine he's following that type of healthy diet.

Everything else is looking great!!

[Sora]

Diet looking great - I def. had pancakes and ice cream when I got my boys.

if you can't get all the fruit and veg in that's fine. It's just a goal to aim at. I doubt I ever had that many fruit and veg when I got my boys.

The diet is much less important for DH and I think it's fine he's following that type of healthy diet.

Everything else is looking great!!

Thank you it's reassuring !

Just something I was wondering : It looks like I'm thinning this time around instead of rounding up as I was last summer. Is it because I'm more carefull about carbs (less potatoes and bananas) ? I find the difference surprising to say the least. I'm not loosing weight, not that I know of, it's more like my body is becoming less chubby and more defined.

[atomic sagebrush]

You're adding muscle. That is great, very much what we want.

A lot of people who gain on HE are those who eat lots of potato, banana, dried fruit, and then all the HE food on top of it!

That is just what we want to see!

[Sora]

You're adding muscle. That is great, very much what we want.

A lot of people who gain on HE are those who eat lots of potato, banana, dried fruit, and then all the HE food on top of it!

That is just what we want to see!

That's good to read. True, last year that's what I did, lots of potatoes, bananas and dried fruits on top of the rest. Just hoping I'm not missing out on much if I don't eat too much of them, especially dried fruits. Although they are quite sugary, I've always heard they had lots of nutrients.

[Sora]

AF is here as it should, started this morning (which is a good sign since even last month it started in the evening). I'm trying not to stress but :nails:

Will go buy coconut water. One of the things that worries me the most is weights. I couldn't do them regularly this June because of my job. Had to walk a lot around every day for hours and was too tired once I got home to lift anything. Plus I try to get enough sleep so I go to bed early. It was also a bit hard to snack during the day since I was outside most of the time but I still had my three meals, fortified cereals in the morning, proteins and carbs as much as I could.

Is there something more I can do during the days leading up to O ? I read your answer to hurrem but trying to think about anything I might have forgotten. I want it to be perfect. It weirds me out because it feels like I was doing so much more last time... although I had less supps and nutrients and too much carbs !:suprise:

Also DH is interested in L-arginine and L-carnitine. Is it okay if he takes them and if so, how much ?

[atomic sagebrush]

That's good to read. True, last year that's what I did, lots of potatoes, bananas and dried fruits on top of the rest. Just hoping I'm not missing out on much if I don't eat too much of them, especially dried fruits. Although they are quite sugary, I've always heard they had lots of nutrients.

No they aren't that great. They're better than candy I suppose but in terms of nutrients, they're actually fairly low nutrient. Just take a vitamin pill you'll get everything in dry fruit and then some.

[atomic sagebrush]

I personally do not think doing anything going into O makes any difference but yes try to get lots of sleep, drink coco water/wheatgrass juice/lemon water.

Sicne you're working all day I think it's fine to skip the weights. Remember, we don't want to actually OVERexercise, since overexercise can end up swaying pink.

Yes arginine and carnitine are good options for hubby to take! Absolutely!

500 mg arginine, 1000 mg carnitine. Daily started right away. I'd have him wean off at bfp.

[Sora]

I personally do not think doing anything going into O makes any difference but yes try to get lots of sleep, drink coco water/wheatgrass juice/lemon water.

Sicne you're working all day I think it's fine to skip the weights. Remember, we don't want to actually OVERexercise, since overexercise can end up swaying pink.

Yes arginine and carnitine are good options for hubby to take! Absolutely!

500 mg arginine, 1000 mg carnitine. Daily started right away. I'd have him wean off at bfp.

Okay thank you for the quick answer ! It's weird, I only seem to find 1000mg arginine and 1500-2000 mg carnitine when searching for brands ?

Even weights could be overexercising if I already walk a lot ? I thought it built muscle and helped sway blue ?

Something I forgot to ask : I'm almost done with Q10... I seem to remember we can't stop that too quickly, that you have to wean off at least after bfp. Should I start to take it every other day instead of daily ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. Give that a try, 1000 arginine and 1500 carnitine.

If you're doing lots of cardio all day long, and then add MORE exercise on top of that, then yes, it can get into the realm of overexercise. Your body can only do so much and walking does use the muscles in your lower body.

Yes I'd take it every other day now on the coq10. It does need to be weaned off.

[Sora]

Ok. Give that a try, 1000 arginine and 1500 carnitine.

If you're doing lots of cardio all day long, and then add MORE exercise on top of that, then yes, it can get into the realm of overexercise. Your body can only do so much and walking does use the muscles in your lower body.

Yes I'd take it every other day now on the coq10. It does need to be weaned off.

Okay thanks a lot !

I've done a lot of walking for my job since the end of May. I don't know if it really counts as cardio since walking this much never made me loose weight before haha ! But it's true my legs and feets hurt quite a lot lately.

[Sora]

Soo I got my hands on a 500 arginine :bluecheer:

Couldn't find less than 1500 for carnitine or if so, it came with other things added in the mix.

So we now have these :

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01BTOLSK6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00IUMSS18/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Hope it's okay !

[atomic sagebrush]

Okay thanks a lot !

I've done a lot of walking for my job since the end of May. I don't know if it really counts as cardio since walking this much never made me loose weight before haha ! But it's true my legs and feets hurt quite a lot lately.

It all depends on the amount of cals you eat, sadly cardio alone without calorie restrictions don't make you lose weight. But the aching in your legs is probably muscle growing. :)

Yes those supps are great!

[Sora]

Was thinking about something you said to a pink swayer. I had noticed it while talking about dairy but not pondered it much. You said dairy is fortified but here it's quite different. Only the products marketed towards young children are, be they milk, yoghurts, cheese. They also are the ones who are full fat more often than not (whole milk or made from whole milk). Dairy marketed towards adults is the opposite : often made from skimmed milk, almost never fortified and so on. Some things may be but it's less than children and usually geared towards old women. Same goes for cereals. Ironically, the adult brands which happen to be fortified are the diet ones !

Here you're supposed to "stock" on vitamins when you're a child and an adult is supposed to eat well enough not to need any help (while being very carefull about weight, hence the products made from skimmed milk). There's this idea that if you're lacking some nutrients, it's because you ate "wrong" as a child.

That also may explain why I still had daughters even though I had lots of dairy ? Especially since I didn't take anything fortified cause in my mind, it was for children and old women. But I never drank skimmed milk, hate the stuff.

[atomic sagebrush]

It never comes down to one thing like that but that is super interesting.

I have a disproportionate number of blue swayers from France, I've noticed that in the past, of all my European countries, by far the most blue swayers are from France!

Thank you for sharing that info with me!!

[Sora]

It never comes down to one thing like that but that is super interesting.

I have a disproportionate number of blue swayers from France, I've noticed that in the past, of all my European countries, by far the most blue swayers are from France!

Thank you for sharing that info with me!!

That's funny, Panther said that too !

I can only guess a few things that may explain (probably) :

- Lowest BMI of all Western Europe, average size is around 8(UK)-4(US) / 10(UK)-6(US) for women between 15-45 years.
- For a long time, the recommended cals intake was 1200-1500 a day for a woman out of puberty and not yet pregnant.
- LOTS of running, jogging, cardio. For 10 years now, we've had men and women of all age getting into it twice a day, 7/7 because the "healthy ones are the ones that ruuuun" !
- There was that trend of veganism where you only ingest roots and water.
- A general trend for dieting and a lot of pressure starting from a very young age (12-13)
- Lack of supps, even when wanting to conceive : even when warned about folics, women only starts taking pills once they're already pregnant, not before. I was considered an OVNI for taking my 400 folics two months before TTC DD1.
- Low doses of supps, lower than what you can find in other countries. Looks like they're always afraid we will gorge on the stuff and die XD ! Once, I needed vit A for some skin problem and the doc at the time was "What ? Isn't there any other way ? Because you know... vit A... if you take too much of that stuff, you could DIE !". Had to go to an hospital to get a prescription ! It's basically the same with pregnancy : supps are limited to folics, iron, omega 3 and all that AFTER conceiving. Ah and cal/mag, always cal/mag.
- Also, 80% of the female population still believe in Shettles. The other 20% know about the cal/mag vs potassium thingy...
- Prices for meat and fish are skyrocketing. It's becoming harder and harder to eat them once a day, even when you're not vegetarian/vegan. 10 years ago, every family had meat once a day and you couldn't find a restaurant that didn't sell meaty plates (it was hard for a vegetarian like me XD). Not anymore.
- Food is rarely fortified and anyway, fortified food is seen as something best given to children and the elderly.
- Animal fats are less and less accepted as a whole, because animal cruelty, vegans and stuff. Dairy and milk especially have been the first targets since the vegan trend happened on our shores. As far as 2011-2012, anyone who dared to say they liked milk would be heavily criticized, called a baby, a calf... Everywhere, you could hear "adults who still drink milk or use milk-based food are weirdos, they are still not weaned it seems !"
- As a result, almond milk, rice milk and soy milk became more and more proeminent either at home or outside.

We still have boys though XD, have had more of them starting from 2014 if the ratio in kindergarten are any indication. I think that's when the shift happened and people became more carefull about veganism, supps and especially vit D. Cals intake was boosted up to 2000. Also, sports-wise, weights and the like are trending now and cardio 7/7 is loosing followers. Not jogging though. Milk is still hated, meat still missing. But people are crazy about fruits and vegetables, more than usual.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you!! That is fascinating and so very interesting! Super helpful, thank you so much for taking the time to write that all up for me!

[Sora]

Thank you!! That is fascinating and so very interesting! Super helpful, thank you so much for taking the time to write that all up for me!

Glad I can bring something to the table. I'm no scientist though, these are only conclusions from what I've seen, heard and what docs complained about the most whenever I had an appointment while TTC and then when pregnant. But it's a start.

[hurrem]

Oh wow just read through the stats in France, so interesting!
Every country truly does have its own views on diets and healthy living. Although veganism has become a trend here where I live it’s no where big enough to overcome the other foods, the people here just love their meat and dairy lol.

I wish you the best of luck for your sway Sora, and pray you get your little boy!

[Sora]

Oh wow just read through the stats in France, so interesting!
Every country truly does have its own views on diets and healthy living. Although veganism has become a trend here where I live it’s no where big enough to overcome the other foods, the people here just love their meat and dairy lol.

I wish you the best of luck for your sway Sora, and pray you get your little boy!

Thank you hurrem. France has always been a harsh country for every girl or woman out there who is naturally chubby/gains weight easily. People here, even doctors, believe much too hard in more weight= fast food. If only they knew what some of their "beautiful thin elite" ingest everyday, they wouldn't call them "healthy" to our faces.

Ironically, it was also a harsh country for whomever didn't like meat or dairy up til the 2010's. Meat and dairy are so important in many of our local recipes that vegetarians had a hard time finding some place where they could skip them and just have a plate of vegetables or pastas. I remember when you would get so much weird looks because you went a whole feast without ever touching the meat. In restaurants, people mocked you and at home, people were just worried out of their minds, like "Are you sure you eat enough ? How can you even stand on your own legs without ever eating a bit of beef or chicken ? You will end up sick for sure !"

Now it's the other way around. Dairy, even in childrens' meals, is replaced with soy, almond and coconut milk. They even have started to switch the milk intended for non-breastfed newborns with them these past few months because, with more and more vegans, there are more and more parents asking for dairy-free products, to keep their babies away from that "disgusting milk, issued from animal cruelty and responsible for every sickness in the world". It has to be seen and heard to be believed. Now I get the weird looks because I give my children meat and milk, not because I myself usually don't eat them.
Fun fact (or not) : since I'm doing the blue diet but swaying is frowned upon in Europe, I concocted some lie about my doc asking me to get back to meat because of some vague illness. Cue horrified reactions all around "Isn't there any other way ? You're just going to end up more sick than ever ! You're killing yourself here... and animals !".

Anyways, even before all that, full-fat milk wasn't favored. We were always told it makes you fat and it was given only to small children, cause they are growing up. Teenagers and adults went with skimmed or half-skimmed milk. Many of our dairy products are made with the half-skimmed brand. And of course, they are not fortified in the least, except those marketed towards children/the elderly.

[Sora]

Well time has flown ! O should be here in a few days and I'm worried I did mistakes here and there ! The short heat wave made it hard to eat but I tried to stick with 5 meals a day. Still had a hard time eating meat each time and a real full meal during 3-4 days. Tried to get by on cereals, almonds, dairy and a bit of chicken + juices but couldn't swallow much before going to bed. I have to admit that sadly, this Saturday and Sunday were mostly water, juices and ice cream :worry:
Drank a lot of coconut water though, very refreshing for that kind of weather. Still managed to get the unprotected sex going every 2-3 days.

DH is very happy with his arginine/carnitine. I remember another male poster (was it archie ?) saying that he felt better down there with the supps (+one a day men + vitD). Asked DH about it and he said he felt the same.

Now the weather is colder again. I shall be able to eat a real full meal once more. As for cereals, I've been going around switching between muesli with berries, oat/rice/wheat flakes which are fortified... and my kids' cereals that are VERY much fortified (but also are quite sugary :tissue:). Idk if it was a mistake or not but I was in a state of mind where it wasn't enough, never enough, and I was on the hunt for more vits and minerals.

Days are going by fast and since I had a lot of work in June, it was hard eating regularly/ Sometimes I only got three meals plus a snack before bed and I wasn't sure it was enough. That worries me.

[hurrem]

Time really is flowing by! But your sway sounds good to me Sora and I totally understand the difficulty of trying to eat ‘everything’, even I still think I’m not getting enough nutrients or vitamins, that my sway isn’t perfect yet, but most important thing is to eat more than what we were before. The weather really affects our eating habits, espec if you end up getting sick or a sore throat(it’s cold here so I can’t just guzzle down cold juice or milkshakes all the time!). Btw can you buy hummus at your place? I’m eating that everyday with crackers or veges, great snack espec for work. Lots of luck and prayers to you, may everything go well <3

[Sora]

Time really is flowing by! But your sway sounds good to me Sora and I totally understand the difficulty of trying to eat ‘everything’, even I still think I’m not getting enough nutrients or vitamins, that my sway isn’t perfect yet, but most important thing is to eat more than what we were before. The weather really affects our eating habits, espec if you end up getting sick or a sore throat(it’s cold here so I can’t just guzzle down cold juice or milkshakes all the time!). Btw can you buy hummus at your place? I’m eating that everyday with crackers or veges, great snack espec for work. Lots of luck and prayers to you, may everything go well <3

Thank you hurrem ! Here it has been a very warm week so cold drinks were okay but it was hard having a full meal with cooked meat and all. I had dried meat instead but couldn't add much to it except cheese, V8 and a bit of bread.

Yes I can buy hummus, in fact I did just that when the heat wave started. Had it during lunch and as a snack, it was very good !

Hope we both get our boys !

[Girls Mom 2]

Time really is flowing by! But your sway sounds good to me Sora and I totally understand the difficulty of trying to eat ‘everything’, even I still think I’m not getting enough nutrients or vitamins, that my sway isn’t perfect yet, but most important thing is to eat more than what we were before. The weather really affects our eating habits, espec if you end up getting sick or a sore throat(it’s cold here so I can’t just guzzle down cold juice or milkshakes all the time!). Btw can you buy hummus at your place? I’m eating that everyday with crackers or veges, great snack espec for work. Lots of luck and prayers to you, may everything go well <3and yes this is what happened with me after drinking grapefruit juice without added sugar i have bad sore throat and now i m in my fertile window. [emoji57]

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[Sora]

Aand the line has started to appear tonight on my little cheap OPK's but not too dark yet and my Clearblue is still negative. Guess it will turn positive tomorrow. We DTD already today. Idk if we add an attempt tonight or if we wait tomorrow to see if the Clearblue shows its positive smiley and if so, go on with the three attempts.

DH says he is full of energy but on the other hand I don't want to tire him before we have a clear, confirmed, positive peak.

[Girls Mom 2]

Aand the line has started to appear tonight on my little cheap OPK's but not too dark yet and my Clearblue is still negative. Guess it will turn positive tomorrow. We DTD already today. Idk if we add an attempt tonight or if we wait tomorrow to see if the Clearblue shows its positive smiley and if so, go on with the three attempts.

DH says he is full of energy but on the other hand I don't want to tire him before we have a clear, confirmed, positive peak.hi Sora, i have the same situatuon, my easy@home opk is showing line very clear but lighter then control line i am also hoping peak tomorrow or day after tomorrow... its cd10 today usually i get my peak on cd 12.. i am a little confused too about dtd today ? or now wait for tomorrow and do my 3 attempts ?

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[Sora]

hi Sora, i have the same situatuon, my easy@home opk is showing line very clear but lighter then control line i am also hoping peak tomorrow or day after tomorrow... its cd10 today usually i get my peak on cd 12.. i am a little confused too about dtd today ? or now wait for tomorrow and do my 3 attempts ?

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Hi, isn't it annoying when it does that after months of perfect dark lines and O being spot on ? It already happened last year and finally O ended up getting delayed by a day or two and I had already done my 3 attempts by then ! This time around I will be more carefull in case the heat wave has delayed it AGAIN ! But it's so annoying when you are regular and all, and when you want to try TTC, poof, O has up and gone to the beach or something !

[Girls Mom 2]

Hi, isn't it annoying when it does that after months of perfect dark lines and O being spot on ? It already happened last year and finally O ended up getting delayed by a day or two and I had already done my 3 attempts by then ! This time around I will be more carefull in case the heat wave has delayed it AGAIN ! But it's so annoying when you are regular and all, and when you want to try TTC, poof, O has up and gone to the beach or something !yesss totally agree.. now its cd11 and time is 11 morning.. this is my opk is showing..41728

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[Sora]

yesss totally agree.. now its cd11 and time is 11 morning.. this is my opk is showing..41728

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Seems like a positive ?

[Girls Mom 2]

Seems like a positive ?yess i think.. coz again i just checked and the result is on peak see..41729

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[Girls Mom 2]

yess i think.. coz again i just checked and the result is on peak see..41729

Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalki am now going to do my three attempts tonight, tomorrow morning and then again tomorrow night.. i just hope this time i get my bfp [emoji1696]and we all get our boys Ameen

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[Sora]

i am now going to do my three attempts tonight, tomorrow morning and then again tomorrow night.. i just hope this time i get my bfp [emoji1696]and we all get our boys Ameen

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:fingers: for you ! Good luck !

When is my positive coming ! I'm starting to fear I've missed it but that can't be, I was testing as soon as CD6-7... :worry:

[Girls Mom 2]

:fingers: for you ! Good luck !

When is my positive coming ! I'm starting to fear I've missed it but that can't be, I was testing as soon as CD6-7... :worry:ohh.. sometimes it came late..so keep testing hopefully u will get it soon.. thank u soo much and best of luck :)

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[Sora]

ohh.. sometimes it came late..so keep testing hopefully u will get it soon.. thank u soo much and best of luck :)

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Ah ! I decided to do like you and test again and it showed up this time :) ! On both OPKS ! Thank you, now I'm going to put in my three attempts ! Blue dust to us both !

[Girls Mom 2]

Ah ! I decided to do like you and test again and it showed up this time :) ! On both OPKS ! Thank you, now I'm going to put in my three attempts ! Blue dust to us both !yayyyyyy great and lots of blue dust to us :)

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[LMSM]

Fingers crossed ladies! When ttc it’s totally worth doing opks twice a day :) the surge can come and go very quickly so not show long on the opk so ...go catch that egg! :D

[Sora]

Fingers crossed ladies! When ttc it’s totally worth doing opks twice a day :) the surge can come and go very quickly so not show long on the opk so ...go catch that egg! :D

Haha but that's what I was doing, even thrice a day, hence why I was starting to worry a bit ! :kissy:

[atomic sagebrush]

Well time has flown ! O should be here in a few days and I'm worried I did mistakes here and there ! The short heat wave made it hard to eat but I tried to stick with 5 meals a day. Still had a hard time eating meat each time and a real full meal during 3-4 days. Tried to get by on cereals, almonds, dairy and a bit of chicken + juices but couldn't swallow much before going to bed. I have to admit that sadly, this Saturday and Sunday were mostly water, juices and ice cream :worry:
Drank a lot of coconut water though, very refreshing for that kind of weather. Still managed to get the unprotected sex going every 2-3 days.

DH is very happy with his arginine/carnitine. I remember another male poster (was it archie ?) saying that he felt better down there with the supps (+one a day men + vitD). Asked DH about it and he said he felt the same.

Now the weather is colder again. I shall be able to eat a real full meal once more. As for cereals, I've been going around switching between muesli with berries, oat/rice/wheat flakes which are fortified... and my kids' cereals that are VERY much fortified (but also are quite sugary :tissue:). Idk if it was a mistake or not but I was in a state of mind where it wasn't enough, never enough, and I was on the hunt for more vits and minerals.

Days are going by fast and since I had a lot of work in June, it was hard eating regularly/ Sometimes I only got three meals plus a snack before bed and I wasn't sure it was enough. That worries me.

There is never a perfect month and I think you're right on target! All of us with boys had the occasional off week when it was hot or we were busy and we didn't eat much. We have the HE Diet as a goal to aim at but you can get boys even if you don't quite hit the goal every minute of every day! I did eat sugar cereal with some of my boys too. I love cereal and eat all sorts of it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Aand the line has started to appear tonight on my little cheap OPK's but not too dark yet and my Clearblue is still negative. Guess it will turn positive tomorrow. We DTD already today. Idk if we add an attempt tonight or if we wait tomorrow to see if the Clearblue shows its positive smiley and if so, go on with the three attempts.

DH says he is full of energy but on the other hand I don't want to tire him before we have a clear, confirmed, positive peak.

I would have an attempt every other day till it goes to peak.

[atomic sagebrush]

hi Sora, i have the same situatuon, my easy@home opk is showing line very clear but lighter then control line i am also hoping peak tomorrow or day after tomorrow... its cd10 today usually i get my peak on cd 12.. i am a little confused too about dtd today ? or now wait for tomorrow and do my 3 attempts ?

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I would do every other day till the line goes to peak

[atomic sagebrush]

Looks positive, Girls Mom 2. Good luck and blue dust!

[Girls Mom 2]

Looks positive, Girls Mom 2. Good luck and blue dust!:) thank u thank u thank u soo much [emoji1696]

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[Sora]

I would have an attempt every other day till it goes to peak.

Thank you atomic for taking the time to answer ! Now I have other worries haha ! We did it every other day while waiting for our +++, after that we managed to get one attempt the night of the positive OPK and the morning after. But DH had a hard time getting the following attempt going at night. We finally managed but not before we got worried a bit. I hope the other attempts were enough because that one wasn't that great. We'll try to squeeze in one last attempt this morning since DH has to work after that.

In short, we DTD on :

- July 2nd
- July 3rd
- July 4th at night (positive OPK)
- July 5th (two attempts)
- July 6th if DH is up to it ?

Hope I didn't tire him out too much.

[atomic sagebrush]

Those are all right in the fertile window as far as I'm concerned. It's ok if you can't get in that second attempt in the one day since you'd had earlier attempts (or if one is not as good.) The main reason for the 2 attempts in one day is for all those people who won't give up Shettles. For those of you who have had other attempts, it's all good. :)

[Sora]

Those are all right in the fertile window as far as I'm concerned. It's ok if you can't get in that second attempt in the one day since you'd had earlier attempts (or if one is not as good.) The main reason for the 2 attempts in one day is for all those people who won't give up Shettles. For those of you who have had other attempts, it's all good. :)

Thank you atomic ! Well the attempt today morning went A-okay ! I'm reassured still that we managed to get the fertile window right ! It was a bit hard these last few days, maintaining the diet, the exercise, the competitive side, the attempts... I felt soo controlling, it has been a long time since I've had to go after each and every little detail ! :hair:

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, that control stuff really does help your sway though! :) Good luck and blue dust headed your way!

[hurrem]

Oh many prayers your way Sora and I hope you hear a bfp soon! <3 I agree with Atomic the controlling traits are good, I’m feeling it myself these days too haha

[Sora]

Hey, that control stuff really does help your sway though! :) Good luck and blue dust headed your way!

Thanks atomic ! I've been trying to nitpick about everything to up the control stuff ! Plus playing video games to feel competitive !

[Sora]

So, a little update :

- Been having violent mood swings for 72 hours straight now (unusual).
- Doubling in size with water retention (usual before AF).

No idea where I'm at honestly. :shrug:

[LMSM]

What CD are you at Sora?

[atomic sagebrush]

So, a little update :

- Been having violent mood swings for 72 hours straight now (unusual).
- Doubling in size with water retention (usual before AF).

No idea where I'm at honestly. :shrug:

Fun fact - a LOT of us with all boys have wicked mood swings before/after ovulation and with AF. I get my worst of what you could call PMS right after I ovulate. You might want to take a note of that and see if theres any pattern moving forward.

[Sora]

Fun fact - a LOT of us with all boys have wicked mood swings before/after ovulation and with AF. I get my worst of what you could call PMS right after I ovulate. You might want to take a note of that and see if theres any pattern moving forward.

Now that's a fun fact (same as AF starting morning or night) ! I only have mood swings a little before/after AF, never around O... and never that intense. These were awfull, I would feel all the anger in the world suddenly then do a 180° and feel like life has no meaning anymore. Even DH was surprised.

Another thing that changed upon starting the diet is that now I have O pains. I didn't feel a thing before.

[atomic sagebrush]

These are the things I would investigate if only I had the resources!! I had my absolute WORST mood swings and O pains around when I got my 3rd son and I was on the most blue friendly diet with him ever (and he is a super super rough and tumble boy!)

[Sora]

These are the things I would investigate if only I had the resources!! I had my absolute WORST mood swings and O pains around when I got my 3rd son and I was on the most blue friendly diet with him ever (and he is a super super rough and tumble boy!)

It's weird because I still feel like I didn't do enough with the diet (but oh well, it's supposed to be a normal feeling while in 2WW or so the other girls say).

Know another fun fact ? When I was 12, one reknowned french archaeologist and author I had the chance to meet said that in Ancient Egypt, women TTC would pee on wheat and barley seeds after the 2WW. If the seeds germinated, it meant they were preg (which is apparently true, a pregnant woman's urine is close to whatever hormonal mix it is that makes plants grow). But there is more : if wheat germinated first, it meant the baby was a girl. If barley, then a boy. We don't know how accurate this was. I always wondered if I should try but I am no green thumb and I thought I would manage to kill the seeds instead of growing them >< !

[atomic sagebrush]

Interesting! I suspect it's like the Drano tests - doesn't actually work for gender, but still interesting to read.

I love reading things like this since so many people act like we are crazy for having gender preference. But people all throughout history have been interested in baby's gender and even monkeys and apes will check the baby's gender as soon as it's born. We have these feelings from some innate human urge! :)

[Sora]

Interesting! I suspect it's like the Drano tests - doesn't actually work for gender, but still interesting to read.

I love reading things like this since so many people act like we are crazy for having gender preference. But people all throughout history have been interested in baby's gender and even monkeys and apes will check the baby's gender as soon as it's born. We have these feelings from some innate human urge! :)

They are all talk but even the worst of them admit to trying Shettles or whatever when TTC if you ask the right way. Hypocrites.

I never heard about the Drano test till mid 2010's here. Wonder where it came from ?

There have been so many things throughout the ages proving people were desperate to know the gender and why you birth one and not the other.
1500-1600 England believed that eating quail eggs and asparagus would net you a boy.
Spain thought salad swayed blue.
Even now in France, you have people telling you that sleeping on one side or the other will give you boy or girl. A lot of us are still trying to tie a needel to a string and swing it above our pregnant belly to determine if it's boy/girl. They pretend it can even tell you how many children you will have and what gender each of them will be. Works also with a wedding ring.

[Girls Mom 2]

Interesting! I suspect it's like the Drano tests - doesn't actually work for gender, but still interesting to read.

I love reading things like this since so many people act like we are crazy for having gender preference. But people all throughout history have been interested in baby's gender and even monkeys and apes will check the baby's gender as soon as it's born. We have these feelings from some innate human urge! :)atomic i know its a bit early but i did my homepregnancy test today..and it came negative :( last 3 months i m trying and now im feeling a little off.. is it anything i m doing wrong?

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[atomic sagebrush]

EXACTLY and even when they didn't, they'll admit that they wanted one of both if you ask them. But once they find out WE want a certain gender they act like we have three heads or something!!

I mean all this time and energy people have always put into thinking about and wondering about baby's gender, it has to be innate!

[atomic sagebrush]

atomic i know its a bit early but i did my homepregnancy test today..and it came negative :( last 3 months i m trying and now im feeling a little off.. is it anything i m doing wrong?

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Tell me everything you're doing and how many DPO are you?

[Sora]

Tell me everything you're doing and how many DPO are you?

Maybe on your sway thread Girls Mom 2 or we risk getting your informations and mine mixed up :wink:


EXACTLY and even when they didn't, they'll admit that they wanted one of both if you ask them. But once they find out WE want a certain gender they act like we have three heads or something!!

I mean all this time and energy people have always put into thinking about and wondering about baby's gender, it has to be innate!

Or like we are monsters and/or baby killers. And for those who can go HT, like we're into some sort of human trafficking business. I've heard quite a lot of "The people going HT (even for infertility) are BUYING their children ! How disgusting ! Shame !" or "Wait and see when the kids will discover they were made in a lab and BOUGHT ! They will kill themselves asap ! Poor little ones !" :shrug:

Honestly, I've yet to meet a "HT kid" on the brink of suicide because of the circumstances surrounding their birth :think: But I've known at least three people who were suicidal because they were abandonned as babies/toddlers by their "got 'em the good old way" parents.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes sorry thank you!! Please on your own thread if you don't mind.

Yes, it's terrible, it's just terrible people's attitudes! While we've come a long way towards accepting medical intervention with fertility, there is still a long way to go and people's inner beliefs can be very ugly, unfortunately.

[Sora]

Yes sorry thank you!! Please on your own thread if you don't mind.

Yes, it's terrible, it's just terrible people's attitudes! While we've come a long way towards accepting medical intervention with fertility, there is still a long way to go and people's inner beliefs can be very ugly, unfortunately.

I can't understand really. It's not like people could just have kids but decided to play Dr Frankenstein in some secret lair or whatever... And it's not like helping fertility hasn't been done or tried before, with potions or whatever crazy rituals...

[Sora]

Woke up with cramps this morning. Still no blood in sight but considering the date, that's not good.

If we failed this time again, I will be disappointed really. How come other girls succeeded in their first month TTC and I can't, even though I'm doing the exact same things they did ? Am I too fat to be fertile or what ?

Also, what, so when I don't want to be preg, some lost sperm still finds the egg no matter what, even though I'm tired, in the middle of moving places, stressed out, hungry and sick... But when I'm doing okay, as happy as can be, safe and taking lots of stuff I don't usually take to up my fertility, it's a big NO ? Is it some kind of cosmic joke ? God's sick sense of humor ? Is it so funny for Him to throw my life in disarray and make me miserable ?

Sorry, I'm ranting a bit while not knowing if it's AF (although I sense it is, I don't think these cramps are about pregnancy). But I'm so over failures. Especially when everyone around me gets boys or whatever else they want with their eyes closed. So so tired.

[Girls Mom 2]

Tell me everything you're doing and how many DPO are you?okay... i m following you from March i guess..i started high everything diet from April.. i am taking folic 50 mg, fishoil 1000 alternate days., women multivitamin a day, vitamin D 1000iu, and probiotics started from june. DH is taking Zinc.
My first attempt was in May.. that time i did only two attempts on my possitive opk. In june i tried to do more attempts before O also two attempts in fertile window.. but in jully i start doing unprotected sex soon after my Af and then get successful in my three attempt on possitive opk. this time i also used preseed. i lay down for 30 min after. my cd1 was 24th june and my ovulation occured on 6th jully.. i have 28 day cycle so now i m expecting my af on 22nd jully. but i m feeling symptoms of Af and also my home pregnancy test came negative :/

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[Girls Mom 2]

Woke up with cramps this morning. Still no blood in sight but considering the date, that's not good.

If we failed this time again, I will be disappointed really. How come other girls succeeded in their first month TTC and I can't, even though I'm doing the exact same things they did ? Am I too fat to be fertile or what ?

Also, what, so when I don't want to be preg, some lost sperm still finds the egg no matter what, even though I'm tired, in the middle of moving places, stressed out, hungry and sick... But when I'm doing okay, as happy as can be, safe and taking lots of stuff I don't usually take to up my fertility, it's a big NO ? Is it some kind of cosmic joke ? God's sick sense of humor ? Is it so funny for Him to throw my life in disarray and make me miserable ?

Sorry, I'm ranting a bit while not knowing if it's AF (although I sense it is, I don't think these cramps are about pregnancy). But I'm so over failures. Especially when everyone around me gets boys or whatever else they want with their eyes closed. So so tired.:/ feeling exactly what you r feeling.. i m turning 40 this august..i am soo desperate to be pregnent as quick as possible. and due to this diet i m already looking preg..my friends are starting joke arround if i m pregnent or what? also tons of guests are here cant focus on diet and supps.. if i get Af then ill have to wait again till september to start again proper diet n all. feeling really disappointing and tired.

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[atomic sagebrush]

I can't understand really. It's not like people could just have kids but decided to play Dr Frankenstein in some secret lair or whatever... And it's not like helping fertility hasn't been done or tried before, with potions or whatever crazy rituals...

EXACTLY! They have a very bad attitude about it considering how fortunate they are not to have fertility problems themselves.

I think it's because historically people blamed fertility on lifestyle, like bad people had bad things happen, and some people still have their minds in that primitive mindset.

[atomic sagebrush]

Woke up with cramps this morning. Still no blood in sight but considering the date, that's not good.

If we failed this time again, I will be disappointed really. How come other girls succeeded in their first month TTC and I can't, even though I'm doing the exact same things they did ? Am I too fat to be fertile or what ?

Also, what, so when I don't want to be preg, some lost sperm still finds the egg no matter what, even though I'm tired, in the middle of moving places, stressed out, hungry and sick... But when I'm doing okay, as happy as can be, safe and taking lots of stuff I don't usually take to up my fertility, it's a big NO ? Is it some kind of cosmic joke ? God's sick sense of humor ? Is it so funny for Him to throw my life in disarray and make me miserable ?

Sorry, I'm ranting a bit while not knowing if it's AF (although I sense it is, I don't think these cramps are about pregnancy). But I'm so over failures. Especially when everyone around me gets boys or whatever else they want with their eyes closed. So so tired.

That happens sometimes for no reason we understand. I would go ahead and cut back on sugar somewhat (things like dry fruits and fruit juice included). Add in cardio (30 min a day 3x a week, just walking is fine).

I so wish I had a magic wand I could just wave!

[atomic sagebrush]

okay... i m following you from March i guess..i started high everything diet from April.. i am taking folic 50 mg, fishoil 1000 alternate days., women multivitamin a day, vitamin D 1000iu, and probiotics started from june. DH is taking Zinc.
My first attempt was in May.. that time i did only two attempts on my possitive opk. In june i tried to do more attempts before O also two attempts in fertile window.. but in jully i start doing unprotected sex soon after my Af and then get successful in my three attempt on possitive opk. this time i also used preseed. i lay down for 30 min after. my cd1 was 24th june and my ovulation occured on 6th jully.. i have 28 day cycle so now i m expecting my af on 22nd jully. but i m feeling symptoms of Af and also my home pregnancy test came negative :/

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Let's try laying down part of the time on your belly if you didn't do that.

Did you have female O?? That can help.

It's still quite early for July 22 AF so hopefully you're not out yet. :)

[Girls Mom 2]

Let's try laying down part of the time on your belly if you didn't do that.

Did you have female O?? That can help.

It's still quite early for July 22 AF so hopefully you're not out yet. :)aww thank u :) yeah hopefully not.. this time i didnt have female O.. and if i get af next time i will lay down on my belly. thank u so much

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[Sora]

That happens sometimes for no reason we understand. I would go ahead and cut back on sugar somewhat (things like dry fruits and fruit juice included). Add in cardio (30 min a day 3x a week, just walking is fine).

I so wish I had a magic wand I could just wave!

OKay, I didn't take dry fruits and I cut back on the juice a bit since it just makes me more thirsty with the heat going around.

I'm already walking a lot for my job and next week will be really full, running everywhere and all from morning til evening so I guess I have my cardio.

Cramping and got a few drops of blood but nothing major. Very tired.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok good. Are you eating a lot of banana and potato or bread? Those can cause weight gain too.

If you're already DOING that level of walking that's totally fine, just keep doing what you're doing. (sometimes there isn't anything that needs to be changed, it may not have been the month!)

FXFXFX!

[Sora]

Ok good. Are you eating a lot of banana and potato or bread? Those can cause weight gain too.

If you're already DOING that level of walking that's totally fine, just keep doing what you're doing. (sometimes there isn't anything that needs to be changed, it may not have been the month!)

FXFXFX!

Not since last summer, no. You told me it could be a problem. I've been carefull not to eat these (and I don't like bananas). As for bread, I've stopped eating it altogether since I learned it makes you fat.

But I'm the kind that can get fat just by looking at a pastry the wrong way, for real ! Or if I'm stressed, which is much too often for my own good ! Blue diet is and will be terrible for my weight no matter how you look at it because of the snacking. No matter what I snack on, as long as I'm doing 2000 cals/day with more than 2 meals, I will become rounder and rounder. I could already gain weight with one meal a day and zero snacking and a 12 hours fast between bed and noon. :hair: Sometimes I think the only thing that would help would be eating vegetables only but then that would put me firmly in pink sway territory.

Blue diet has make me gain weight in areas where I never gained before (like the arms):hair:

That makes me think, my brother is typically a blue diet : lots of meat, lots of fat, bananas at every hour, loves nuts, is always snacking... His whole meals are basically made of take outs, be it Burger King (which he goes to at least once a day because it's near his job), Chinese, Pizzas... He snacks on candy and chips before going to bed (like, at midnight). Sometimes he will even organize food-eating contests with his friends and neighboors and win them...

And he weights a resounding 132 lbs. Yeah, you read that right ! 132 lbs for a 5.9 feets guy ! And no, he has not been doing any sports since he was 18 ! A good couch potato he is ! And he has a desk job.

His doc even asked him if he had anorexia. He was so angry that day he called me to complain.

My doc thinks I'm waking up at night to raid the fridge.

Genetic is so unfair ! My fear is that it will prevent me from ever having a boy (and ever looking normal) !

Sorry if I sound like a crybaby. Been having a hard day at work and I feel so over everything :hide:

[Sora]

Well I'm out. AF is here for good. I'm so angry I can't even... I remember last summer when everyone got pregnant with their boy the first try around. What is WRONG with me ? It's DD1 all over again when we took prenatals and pinpointed O and it took us more than 9 months to conceive !

And I can't understand ! For DD2 it was all over in one attempt, DH didn't even finish inside and yet here she is, no matter how it ruined my plans for the future at the time and a big part of my life ! I'm still furious to this day at DH for blackmailing me into doing anything... Why did it happen so easily although I didn't want to, didn't take anything, was tired and all ? Why can't it work when we really want to TTC and do everything the right way ? Why ?

I know I may sound awfull to everyone having fertility troubles but well, my thread, my rant, if I don't let it out here it will just stay bottled up and poison me again ! I feel so much like a total failure ! I can't stand it anymore ! I'm ashamed to be breathing the same air as so many better successfull women when I'm so much of a failure at everything ! Can't get a decent job, can't get DH to care about marrying me or anything really, can't protect myself and my girls from assault, can't protect my dreams and a lifetime of hard work, can't get a boy... Why am I even on this Earth again ? It looks like the harder I try, the more my dreams end up destroyed and/or stolen. But even when I let go, they don't fall into my lap either (I know some have had stories like these, when all hope was lost, suddenly everything turned out alright on its own... but apparently, it's not for me).

[3littleladies01]

Well I'm out. AF is here for good. I'm so angry I can't even... I remember last summer when everyone got pregnant with their boy the first try around. What is WRONG with me ? It's DD1 all over again when we took prenatals and pinpointed O and it took us more than 9 months to conceive !

And I can't understand ! For DD2 it was all over in one attempt, DH didn't even finish inside and yet here she is, no matter how it ruined my plans for the future at the time and a big part of my life ! I'm still furious to this day at DH for blackmailing me into doing anything... Why did it happen so easily although I didn't want to, didn't take anything, was tired and all ? Why can't it work when we really want to TTC and do everything the right way ? Why ?

I know I may sound awfull to everyone having fertility troubles but well, my thread, my rant, if I don't let it out here it will just stay bottled up and poison me again ! I feel so much like a total failure ! I can't stand it anymore ! I'm ashamed to be breathing the same air as so many better successfull women when I'm so much of a failure at everything ! Can't get a decent job, can't get DH to care about marrying me or anything really, can't protect myself and my girls from assault, can't protect my dreams and a lifetime of hard work, can't get a boy... Why am I even on this Earth again ? It looks like the harder I try, the more my dreams end up destroyed and/or stolen. But even when I let go, they don't fall into my lap either (I know some have had stories like these, when all hope was lost, suddenly everything turned out alright on its own... but apparently, it's not for me).


Hi Sora

I read your thread and didn’t wanna just disappear without comment when you sound so low. I’m not sure what I can say to help, but I couldn’t just say nothing.

I’m sure atomic will be happy to advise/help where she can on the TTC front, but is it worth also speaking to your GP now - about a) TTC as it’s been a few months and b) how you feel? Just in order to explore options? Perhaps you need to speak to someone properly about how you feel rather than keep it bottled up. You mentioned assault and also not being on this earth - both pretty serious and I hate the thought of you coping alone with either of those things. Do you have an understanding doctor/professional you could chat to?

I have a few friends who took a while to conceive after falling pregnant very quickly with earlier pregnancies. One friend took 15 months with her third when her first two took 1 or 2 cycles. I myself took 1 cycle with my first but with my 4th I think it took us about 9 cycles. As I got older my fertility just dipped - I paid privately for fertility tests just to get some answers in the end - would you consider that to perhaps put your mind at ease or shed some light? My scores were bad and had dropped massively - I was so down about it and convinced it wouldn’t happen for us, luckily despite that I managed to eventually conceive - so please don’t give up hope. Im glad I got them done though just so I knew where I was a bit more and to explain why it may be taking me longer.

I’d just love you to have some answers & someone to confide in. Sounds like you have a lot on your plate.

Thinking of you xx





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[Sora]

Hi Sora

I read your thread and didn’t wanna just disappear without comment when you sound so low. I’m not sure what I can say to help, but I couldn’t just say nothing.

I’m sure atomic will be happy to advise/help where she can on the TTC front, but is it worth also speaking to your GP now - about a) TTC as it’s been a few months and b) how you feel? Just in order to explore options? Perhaps you need to speak to someone properly about how you feel rather than keep it bottled up. You mentioned assault and also not being on this earth - both pretty serious and I hate the thought of you coping alone with either of those things. Do you have an understanding doctor/professional you could chat to?

I have a few friends who took a while to conceive after falling pregnant very quickly with earlier pregnancies. One friend took 15 months with her third when her first two took 1 or 2 cycles. I myself took 1 cycle with my first but with my 4th I think it took us about 9 cycles. As I got older my fertility just dipped - I paid privately for fertility tests just to get some answers in the end - would you consider that to perhaps put your mind at ease or shed some light? My scores were bad and had dropped massively - I was so down about it and convinced it wouldn’t happen for us, luckily despite that I managed to eventually conceive - so please don’t give up hope. Im glad I got them done though just so I knew where I was a bit more and to explain why it may be taking me longer.

I’d just love you to have some answers & someone to confide in. Sounds like you have a lot on your plate.

Thinking of you xx





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Thanks 3littleladies, your kindness means a lot ! Sometimes I just need to explode and I hate worrying people but there are days when you just can't keep it to yourself. I don't know what's GP though ?

But no, I have no one to talk to about these things. My family doesn't care what happens to me and hasn't for years now. And I don't trust any professional since after the assault, almost everyone I asked for help or confided in just victim blamed me. I've even been told that if I had had a more decent job at the time, maybe this wouldn't have happened. So there's that. And yeah, the "bad place, bad time" is all my fault too apparently.

But let's not talk about this. No one can change the past and this is not the place for such stories anyway. Let's go back to TTC.

I have thought about doing a check up of sorts for fertility but I'm afraid I will be blamed if there's something wrong with me. I'm afraid to be called a failure, a bad wife, a bad mother. Maybe I will try but later, if I don't get a BFP again. For now I don't feel safe asking anyone about anything.

Also, didn't most of the treatments for fertility sway pink ? Like Femara and all ? Because I really don't want anything that could pile more pink dust on my head. I hope you're right and it just may be a case of the third taking longer.

I'm sure me feeling so down is also related to TTC stress. Planning and swaying that way is really not like just deciding "we want a baby" and jumping into TTC whatever way/day. Especially blue sway. All the planning and counting and nitpicking is making me think too much, too hard and bad memories surface more easily. Yet I have to keep going because nobody is going to fetch that baby boy for me :giggle:

[hurrem]

I’m not sure what I can say or do to help you in any way, but I am sending lots of prayers and well wishes, and hope that eventually everything turns out well for you. You deserve all the happiness and security, even if life has different plans, because we cannot alter our fate or destiny. But we must never loss hope either, because maybe not now, but someday events turn around and work out for us when we least expect it. Stay strong <3

[atomic sagebrush]

Aww Sora I'm so sorry - that is how one of my sons is too he can eat anything and he looks like a famine victim OMGosh.

For reasons we don't understand some people swaying blue seem to have trouble conceiving for absolutely no reason at all. It's very puzzling. But the good news is that most of them do still get boys even after it taking a few months.

What parts of the sway are bothering you the most right now?? Let's try dropping some stuff that is driving you loopy anyway and we'll see if it helps both alleviate the stress you're feeling and then also possibly help you get pregnant too (since we don't really even know how it all works)

Are you using Preseed? Maybe try dropping that. I doubt that's the problem but just in case.

[atomic sagebrush]

RE fertility testing, the concern is that there could be something going on that would be easy to fix (like a blocked tube, or your husband having a varicocele) and you woudln't know without more information.

Even Femara and Clomid really don't sway much when you're swaying blue in other ways. Studies indicate they maybe sway 3-5%. So if you were swaying blue and took Clomid you would still be way more likely to have a boy (people have boys on Clomid/Femara all the time!)

Hang in there - I'm so sorry you're struggling right now. :heart:

[Sora]

Aww Sora I'm so sorry - that is how one of my sons is too he can eat anything and he looks like a famine victim OMGosh.

For reasons we don't understand some people swaying blue seem to have trouble conceiving for absolutely no reason at all. It's very puzzling. But the good news is that most of them do still get boys even after it taking a few months.

What parts of the sway are bothering you the most right now?? Let's try dropping some stuff that is driving you loopy anyway and we'll see if it helps both alleviate the stress you're feeling and then also possibly help you get pregnant too (since we don't really even know how it all works)

Are you using Preseed? Maybe try dropping that. I doubt that's the problem but just in case.

Thanks atomic.

My daughter seems to have inherited that too since she's always so frail and thin although she has a very good appetite. I've been accused of not feeding her more time than I care to count. That's the real problem for a parent. If not for other people I would be fine because I know I feed her well and I know (I just have to think of my brother) that she will grow up and survive fine enough as is. Maybe the only problem she will have in the future is that she may find herself too thin (which no doubt will drive her more chubby sister all kind of crazy haha).

Yes I am using Preseed. Not at every attempt but still.

The parts bothering me is the snacking (but it seems to be an important part of it). I mean, despite how fat I am or can become and docs not believing me, I never EVER snacked. My family was absolutely against it, even those of them who never gained an ounce. It was considered a disgusting and unhealthy behavior and highly criticized. For all he is thin, my brother was blamed and grounded when he was caught snacking, especially at night. My father, my uncle and my godfather too tended to snack a lot, especially at night (nuts and especially peanuts) but they were like me, getting fat quickly and the whole family shamed them a lot for it. Finally both my uncle and my godfather ended up with very serious health problems because of how much they ate and had to be hospitalized. It frightened my father into stopping altogether and now he is almost vegetarian.

As for me with how the family shamed them and seeing what happened, I was always scared of eating between meals so I never did.

I do for the sway but I feel ashamed and afraid of being found out. I am especially afraid I will be accused of setting a bad example for my daughters. The mothers around me, especially those with boys, are SO thin ! They weight even less than my brother !

It's a bit the same with blue meals honestly, I find them so, idk, big ? I feel like I'm cooking for a giant or something. I feel uneasy and ashamed while eating, I know they are healthy mind you, but I'm just praying for the calories to go away, to stay in the plate. I guess that's what years of hearing "meat makes you fat, full-fat dairy is the worst and lentils, peas are no better" will do to you.

DH is following a diet a known dietetician cooked up for him to shake off the unecessary weight and he can only eat a bit of meat and lots of vegetables, one fruit a week... And of course he is forbidden to eat dairy or anything with dairy in it. So compared to him, I feel like I'm doing wrong by eating so much and snacking and it worries me. At times like these, idk what to thing but I don't want to take any chance with the sway.

I don't think we can change anything else, I mean, it looks okay from a blue pov. Less and it will just get back into pink territory.

[Girls Mom 2]

aww thank u :) yeah hopefully not.. this time i didnt have female O.. and if i get af next time i will lay down on my belly. thank u so much

Sent from my SM-G955U1 using TapatalkHi Atomic so Af is here and i m out.. now i am not sure about august coz this month didnt go well.. i have migraines here and ther during my 2ww...skipping breakfast a little and very exosting schedule. i dont want to skip month but at the same time i dont want a lifetime of regret having an opposite. is it okay if now i start eating again properly and after af wait a little and do attempts arround O? also i wanna start excersise specially crunches for my big belly is it okay to do crunches or plank ?? also now i m planning to eat less dryfruits, juices and fruits and eat more meat, eggs and veggies will this be ok for blue? my multivitamines are finished so i m now going to take elevit instead of multivitamin for women. so elevit+ probiotics+ vitamin D 1000iu and fishoil 1000 alternate day. ??

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[atomic sagebrush]

I would go ahead and cut back ONE snack for now. See if it helps.

It really sounds like you're in between a rock and a hard place as we say - people ready to criticize for eating and for not eating!! Ugh that sounds terrible!

Let's also drop Preseed in case it's having any negative effect.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic so Af is here and i m out.. now i am not sure about august coz this month didnt go well.. i have migraines here and ther during my 2ww...skipping breakfast a little and very exosting schedule. i dont want to skip month but at the same time i dont want a lifetime of regret having an opposite. is it okay if now i start eating again properly and after af wait a little and do attempts arround O? also i wanna start excersise specially crunches for my big belly is it okay to do crunches or plank ?? also now i m planning to eat less dryfruits, juices and fruits and eat more meat, eggs and veggies will this be ok for blue? my multivitamines are finished so i m now going to take elevit instead of multivitamin for women. so elevit+ probiotics+ vitamin D 1000iu and fishoil 1000 alternate day. ??

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It might be better to start a new thread that's just for your sway so I don't get mixed up about who I'm replying to.

I would just regroup on diet and still have your attempts around O.

Yes it's great to do crunches and planks when TTC a boy.

:agree: Yes I want you guys to cut back on dry fruit and juice especially, and the super sugary fruit like banana.

Well, I wish we could have gradually switched over from one vitamin to the other, it's better to do it over time but Elevit is ok too.

[Girls Mom 2]

It might be better to start a new thread that's just for your sway so I don't get mixed up about who I'm replying to.

I would just regroup on diet and still have your attempts around O.

Yes it's great to do crunches and planks when TTC a boy.

:agree: Yes I want you guys to cut back on dry fruit and juice especially, and the super sugary fruit like banana.

Well, I wish we could have gradually switched over from one vitamin to the other, it's better to do it over time but Elevit is ok too.okay atomic thank u once again.

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[Sora]

I would go ahead and cut back ONE snack for now. See if it helps.

It really sounds like you're in between a rock and a hard place as we say - people ready to criticize for eating and for not eating!! Ugh that sounds terrible!

Let's also drop Preseed in case it's having any negative effect.

Okay atomic thank you.

So I will drop Preseed for starters. I think I'm out for August. Wasn't thorough with the diet but even so, I've been sick and not sleeping well for a week now and AF has already ended. I think I don't have enough time to get back on my feets before O comes around. DH won't be around or awake for September's O (working night shifts) and I will have lots of work too. So that pushes us back to an October attempt which I hope will yield a BFP. I hope to use the free time we get to refine some things about the sway. I should have less walking for work so I may be able to lift weights again.

Thank you for your time. It feels good getting some things off my chest and talking about gender desire and disappointment. Can't do that anywhere else.

[atomic sagebrush]

:heart: I'm so sorry I missed this post for some reason, I didn't even see it and all of a sudden I saw it again??

I think you're fine to try this month. It's up to you of course but people are almost always doing way better than they think they are!

[Sora]

:heart: I'm so sorry I missed this post for some reason, I didn't even see it and all of a sudden I saw it again??

I think you're fine to try this month. It's up to you of course but people are almost always doing way better than they think they are!

It's okay but really, I think I will not try this month. I've not been following the diet (zero appetite, I think my body is rebelling against all that eating prior), been sick 10 days and getting very few sleeping hours. It does not look good. In fact its the same as when I had my DDs so... I don't want history to repeat.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. If you're not feeling it then I definitely understand. :heart: thinking of you, let me know how I can help!

[Sora]

Ok. If you're not feeling it then I definitely understand. :heart: thinking of you, let me know how I can help!

Yes thank you ! Plus got a call from work, I will definitely be working (and walking) all day long during O. DH too has lots of work so it will be hard to put in attempts. Looks like this month isn't meant to be :tissue:

Will prepare myself during September for the October attempt then. Hopefully, there will be more free time.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok! I'm here when you have any questions!

[Sora]

So after drowning in work, being ill with something that looked a lot like toxoplasmosis (still need to run some tests to see if I've become immune), a nasty fall and taking a one month-break from blue diet, I'm back... Seeing how eventfull these past few months were, I'm kinda glad I had only BFNs :worry:

So I've been seriously back on blue diet since the middle of September and hoping to TTC in November. Cycle is apparently normal and O just happened so... one month left ?

I have a bit trouble following the diet this time around because of work. I'm often going from places to places and not having a full meal at hand except for the lone sandwich and fruit. I still try to get my meat and animal fats however I can, which is more during breakfast or at night. But I have trouble getting some free time to snack. Another concern of mine is that I have no time to cook homemade meals and I'm weary of carbs. I tried to replace most of them with vegetables but it's less easy being on the move with your fresh vegetables than your average macaroni and cheese in a box :tissue:

Sports are my main concern though :worry: I have lifted some weights but when I work, I'm too tired to move once I get home. I try to keep what you said in mind, atomic, about not versing on the "too much" cause my job includes a lot of walking around Paris which means lots of STAIRS I can't stand STAIRS anymore >< ! I'm well over walking an hour a day and I don't want to end up in pink territory... although I did end up there by being a couch potato too :/ I'm a bit lost about the whole exercise thing tbh ! I can't even learn something about the people I know cause it's 50/50 between no-sports/sports maniacs both in blue and pink. And still, maybe 80% of the sports maniacs are runners and runners only, no weights. I wonder if it plays a role at all ? Sometimes I think metabolism is the key and higher metabolism sway blue (if so I'm definitely done for). But idk really, sports is a big (worrying) question mark.

To let you know, as for now I'm having :

Breakfast : Whole-grain cereals or cereal bar with whole fat milk and pureed fruit.
Snack : I have much trouble getting free time for that but if I can manage, it's either some dried fruits or another cereal bar or a bit of cheese.
Lunch : It has more often than not been a sandwich as of late, homemade if possible, with chicken, pork or beef, salad and cheese. Fruit juice, water... If I can I have V8 then and/or a bit of soup.
Snack : Chocolate/Yoghurt/Whole fat milk
Dinner : Red or white meat with either lentils or peas and soup. Warm whole fat milk.
I couldn't do the evening snack for the longest of time, both feeling too full and/or too tired.

I'm happy because I still somehow manage to get lots of animal proteins in but worried about not eating regularly enough or nutritious enough although I do feel full all day-long. Sometimes I also forget my vitamins/minerals.

About that I'm still on Women One a Day, folics plus vitD 2000 because now there's not enough sun, probiotics, 14mg iron, and omega 3 fish oil. Nothing really new there. Still the same old supps.

A good day to everyone !
Dinner : Red or white meat/Lentils or peas/

[4blue2pink]

good luck for next month Sora :heart: sending you all my blue dust :bluecheer:

i know that exercise is a strong sway tactic but if it helps at all i got all 6 of my boys without it, ive never lifted weights in my life! my youngest boy i was swaying pink and walking 60mins a day 6-7 days per week.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, the lone sandwich and fruit are ok!! Those of us with all boys did not eat the full HE Diet day in and out, we all had days, many days, where we munched off and on as we could or missed meals. The goal is to eat more than you were when you got your girls, and if you're doing that, it's all good. And I have eaten plenty of mac and cheese along the way and got boys.

The steps and walking is all blue friendly. You don't need to do more than that. Steps are among the best exercises for boys because the muscles attached to your hip are huge and are proven to raise testosterone. Step exercises are my fave exercise, and I did them off and on for the entire time I had all my 4 boys.

Diet and exercise work together so you can't always just look at someone's exercise and predict anything. There's also the competitive factor and whatever else they bring to the table with their personality and lifestyle. We know from our results that exercise does affect a sway so I think you're on the right track with just what you're doing at work.

I think your diet is looking great! Very much the amount and type of food I ate when I got boys. Keep up the great work!

[Sora]

Thank you for all the words of encouragement everyone !

I got some spotting so AF may be starting. Sort of on time so I'm not worried.

Still have a bit of trouble with meals. Like I said, I often feel full and also very tired lately so I have no appetite at all for... practically everything.

These past few days I've been having cereals as breakfast or snack, I steal the chocolate cereals of my kids because I'm a bit tired of muesli/weetabix type, plus my kids cereals are reinforced with Vits, which is not the case for many adult brands (or if they are, it's mainly with vit B and iron, nothing else). Kids brand are more rich in vits but also more sugary sorry :worry:

I still got whole milk, drink plenty of water, but I've had trouble with having my V8 or vegetable juices because too full again T.T

Still having soup regularly, I never forget meat although I've had more chicken than red meat this time around. I also managed to have an egg/day, sometimes 2 eggs/a day or every 2 days if I'm not hungry.

Got mainly pasta, cheese but not too much. I finally had time to get some almonds and chestnuts in !

To answer you atomic, I don't really know how much different it is compared to when I had my girls. The other times it really felt different because I tried to have as much of the HE list as possible. Here I'm just having what I can when I want and it feels lighter somehow ? The main differences would be :

- A good 3 and half a year have past since the birth of DD2.
- I'm more active.
- I feel full all day long and never hungry. Also I get three meals a day whereas I often skipped breakfast and/or dinner when I had my girls.
- More meat/proteins and a lot more fruits than I ever had before.

I try to snack but since I feel full, it's nor really a success. I'm not feeling hungry at all between meals.

For the 2 weeks or so that I have left, I plan to try to have something closer to 9 servings of fruits/vegetables a day (I think for now I'm more around 5). Being carefull with my proteins because once in a blue moon, I go without them for a meal or two. Trying to sleep because I have had a few very short nights lately.

Things I'm most worried about :

- Frequency of non-protected attempts with DH. He has had a lot of work lately and comes home late and we have more been on an every 4 days pattern, if not longer, than our usual every 2-3 days. I'm afraid it may hurt the sway but we really don't have enough time and energy to do better. This is starting to look more like when we had our girls and sometimes I wonder if we should postpone or if we still have enough time left for sperm exposure.

- Lifting weights, as always ! Things have been quieter with work so I have time for it but I'm so tired :tissue: On the other hand, DH has been on full-on weights mode since September and is doing them twice a week ^^"

Sometimes I'm worried the sway is not good enough this time around. I'm supposed to control it and keep an eye on the little details but I can't concentrate well. I wonder if I'm in a "blue" mood at all. I've been feeling less competitive too compared to last summer. Should I smack myself back to a blue personnality ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, just do your best, I promise we all had days/weeks/months like that. I ate chocolate cereal too sometimes. It's not a dealbreaker!

Very few boy moms really had as much veg juice as I suggest for you guys. I like to set the goals high to make up for your diet having been lacking in the past, but you've been on diet for a while now. I think you've had a lot of time to get "caught up" and have a lot of nutrients stored, so try not to worry if you don't always hit the heights of HE Diet. Keep in mind the HE Diet is designed for women who want to sway for 6 weeks and try! If you've had this long eating mostly blue friendly, it is a lot more forgiving.

I really think you're doing great. I am not worried about personality stuff, that will take care of itself. The last thing I want is for you to feel like you're "failing" at personality stuff, you've made so many positive changes in every way. (honestly, worrying about that is more blue friendly!!)

The BD attempts aren't bad at all. I often have blue swayers who have sex once a month or even longer than that! Once every 4 days or so is still in blue frequency and you can still hit it with more than one attempt in the fertile window.

[Sora]

Hey, just do your best, I promise we all had days/weeks/months like that. I ate chocolate cereal too sometimes. It's not a dealbreaker!

Very few boy moms really had as much veg juice as I suggest for you guys. I like to set the goals high to make up for your diet having been lacking in the past, but you've been on diet for a while now. I think you've had a lot of time to get "caught up" and have a lot of nutrients stored, so try not to worry if you don't always hit the heights of HE Diet. Keep in mind the HE Diet is designed for women who want to sway for 6 weeks and try! If you've had this long eating mostly blue friendly, it is a lot more forgiving.

I really think you're doing great. I am not worried about personality stuff, that will take care of itself. The last thing I want is for you to feel like you're "failing" at personality stuff, you've made so many positive changes in every way. (honestly, worrying about that is more blue friendly!!)

The BD attempts aren't bad at all. I often have blue swayers who have sex once a month or even longer than that! Once every 4 days or so is still in blue frequency and you can still hit it with more than one attempt in the fertile window.

Okay, thank you atomic !

Sure I did HE during summer, it's just that I took a break in August because I had too much work (plus got sick the last two weeks with high fever) and kept forgetting my sups and breakfast. And I ate very little while sick of course. Also we may have BD only once or twice that particular month obviously. I guess one month may not be enough to loose all the nutrients but that's why I tried to start up HE seriously in September in the hopes of making it up while I still had 6-8 weeks left.

But it's true that it also seems to be how well off you are around O that matters. I remember the many stories in the "How we got our boys" thread about girls who conceived their first son during their wedding/honeymoon because they were then eating and resting well although some had been dieting before to fit in the white dress ! So I guess it takes more than a month off to loose everything for sure !

Also news ! I found some Guafainesin tabs (400mg iirc) that can be shipped quickly enough to Paris !

[atomic sagebrush]

I bet you did better than you thought you were doing though. Your body will definitely see it as an improvement.

Great news on the guaifenesin!!! :bluecheer: :bluecheer: :bluecheer:

[Sora]

Argh there was a problem and my guaifenesin didn't ship :tissue: !!!!!

I'm a bit worried ! Although I remember TTC in fall sways a bit blue, I've got that feeling that everything is against me this month ! I have trouble being hungry, I'm tired, there's so little sun I'm just gorging on vit D and I've got no time nor strenght to lift weights :tissue:

And it's weird, I was complaining about all the blue births around me. But now, the wheel has turned and there are a lot of pink births... and it worries me too Oo ! I'm afraid I will get a pink too, as if there's something in the air that sways pink ? I don't know if I make much sense, probably not ?

Plus it's a bit sad, these pink births are from women who have boys already. It seems so easy for them to switch from one gender to the other depending on the pregnancy... I'm left wondering what am I doing wrong ?

(Trying not to have depressing thoughts because that's not a very blue thing to do *sigh*).

Only good thing I can think about is that DH is doing very well with his every 2 days attempts, even when tired. He feels like this time, he will have his three or more attempts in the fertile window without any loss of energy whatsoever.

That leaves me worried about being the one not strong enough to sway though.

If it doesn't work this month, we may have to take a break again because we have a few other life projects we would like to get done before 2021. I don't know how many months it will take but well. At the very least, I'm not TOO worried about taking a break because I feel that if these projects are successfull, it may help me think more "blue friendly".

AF is over now, any idea about what I may do to sway a bit more before O ?

[LMSM]

Sorry I haven't had a chance to PM you - don't be defeated - all that you can do is work on what you can control, even without the guaf - drink enough to be hydrated, that is already great :)
Good luck!!

[Sora]

Sorry I haven't had a chance to PM you - don't be defeated - all that you can do is work on what you can control, even without the guaf - drink enough to be hydrated, that is already great :)
Good luck!!

Thanks don't worry about it !

Yeah I've been drinking a lot lately ! I feel the change :) ! But I hope it will be enough. People seemed to have good results with guaif.

Why am I in Europe again ? >> *sighs*

[4blue2pink]

Thanks don't worry about it !

Yeah I've been drinking a lot lately ! I feel the change :) ! But I hope it will be enough. People seemed to have good results with guaif.

Why am I in Europe again ? >> *sighs*

Im in UK Sora and im sending you all my blue dust!!

i notice the weird birth trends too.. over here 2019 started out pink pink pink and then the later part of the year is now very very blue!! but i've noticed these patterns in most years and a couple of times ive followed the trend and had blue/pink along with everyone but ive mostly been one of the odd ones out with a blue baby in a sea of pink births so dont lose hope!!

[Sora]

Im in UK Sora and im sending you all my blue dust!!

i notice the weird birth trends too.. over here 2019 started out pink pink pink and then the later part of the year is now very very blue!! but i've noticed these patterns in most years and a couple of times ive followed the trend and had blue/pink along with everyone but ive mostly been one of the odd ones out with a blue baby in a sea of pink births so dont lose hope!!

Thank you dear !

Idk, over here, it has been very blue ranging from 2013 til now. Lots and lots of boys. At my girls schools it shows, each class is full to the brim with boys with only 7-10 girls for 15-20 boys. Only now am I seeing a flow of pink strollers. It started somewhere around the summer. I wonder what's happening. Even very blue moms have been getting pregnant with girls.

Taking all the blue dust I can get !

[atomic sagebrush]

that's how everyone is though - if everyone is having a boy they think "oh no now everyone has used up all the boys" and then if everyone is having a girl they think "oh no there's something in the air!" But really, the gender of your baby has nothing to do with what anyone else is having.

To be honest that is the one thing that still gets to me to this very day - is how easily it all seems to come for some people. Everyone I know in real life, it seems like anyway, got a boy and a girl or a girl and a boy just boom, boom, like that, no effort, no stress or sorrow, and then they're invariably saying "we're DONE!" like they did some brilliant maneuver from sheer force of will rather than just from dumb luck, and they go on to have these fabulous lives where they take trips and go out and do things while I am still eating Top Ramen and wondering how I can afford Netflix, LOL. It really does get to me.

I think it's very encouraging that hubby can keep up with the schedule. I see the most successful sways in the group where the husband is able to keep up with the BD schedule.

Please trust me - even those of us with all boys had feelings like that!!! It's just part of life! It doesn't mean your sway won't work, you've made so many positive changes. Between now and your attempt, just do your best and if you fall a little short from where you want to be, that's ok. We set our goals high so then when we don't reach them, we've still gone a long way towards the direction of blue.

[Sora]

To be honest that is the one thing that still gets to me to this very day - is how easily it all seems to come for some people. Everyone I know in real life, it seems like anyway, got a boy and a girl or a girl and a boy just boom, boom, like that, no effort, no stress or sorrow, and then they're invariably saying "we're DONE!" like they did some brilliant maneuver from sheer force of will rather than just from dumb luck, and they go on to have these fabulous lives where they take trips and go out and do things while I am still eating Top Ramen and wondering how I can afford Netflix, LOL. It really does get to me.



This ! I am exactly the same ! I fought so hard for the little I already have, blood and tears included and some of my acquaintances, great people (and not so great people) just go bam bam bam like you said, even with things they didn't even plan for. Then they get the best outcome and carry on with almost perfect lives, going abroad, meeting tons of interesting people and discovering things, while your stuck in your same old town, trying to befriend the grumpy neighboor ^^" ! I get it so much and it's a bit of a consolation that I'm not alone in this.

Yep I hope DH still carry on feeling great and all !

[atomic sagebrush]

YES!!!!! Life has always been a struggle for me since day one and it really is upsetting that I then, on top of it, couldn't even get a girl without having to try for 20+ years, have 5 kids, and do all this research and stuff, and then not even get her till I was so old I'll be dead or quite elderly before she's really even a woman herself. It seems like such a small thing and I was denied that, just like I was denied a lot of other small things that come easily to others.

but of course I could have all these same problems and be living during the Black Plague, LOL. :)

[Sora]

YES!!!!! Life has always been a struggle for me since day one and it really is upsetting that I then, on top of it, couldn't even get a girl without having to try for 20+ years, have 5 kids, and do all this research and stuff, and then not even get her till I was so old I'll be dead or quite elderly before she's really even a woman herself. It seems like such a small thing and I was denied that, just like I was denied a lot of other small things that come easily to others.

but of course I could have all these same problems and be living during the Black Plague, LOL. :)

Yes, there are always worse things. But lately I've been thinking... If we always say "it could be worse/there's worse", then we start to accept the unthinkable. First it will be little wounds, then it will be bigger wounds. Whatever other things happen out there, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be happy and get what makes us happy. Some people are ready to kill to get what they want. We're wishing for things that won't kill anyone. Is it such a terrible thing, really ?

Not saying that for you, of course, but to the many many people out there who either have it easy or have lost hope and who criticize those who are fighting for their dreams.

On a more positive note you have your girl now ^^ ! She is there !

[atomic sagebrush]

Exactly!!! I agree that it's terrible how people judge anyone for pursuing some basic happiness, even as they celebrate people chasing dreams all the time, like climbing Mount Everest or whatever.

I sometimes think of it as hitting your thumb with a hammer - it hurts! No one would ever say that hitting your thumb with a hammer is worse than having thumb cancer - but it still hurts. It doesn't make us bad people for being upset at that, or for trying to avoid that pain, even if we can acknowledge other people have things worse.

[Sora]

So, I'm a bit bothered. O is supposed to be today, I've been testing with opks since CD10 but nothing really showed up. At one point, I had a light positive result on the 29th or 30th, can't remember well... but after that nothing. Clearblue too doesn't show anything. Maybe I tested wrong because I was seldom at home these past few days and it was hard to find the time to go pee and test. O may also have been delayed because we had lots of things to do for Halloween and ended up very tired with DH.

I'm wondering what to do though. We're still on a DTD every 2 days basis. Yesterday we failed to do anything because we were much too tired after Halloween and fell asleep early. I'm worried because if O happened still, I wouldn't want things to count as one attempt because we had no time nor strenght to do more :think:

Today should be okay, once DH gets home that is ! Last BDs were on the 30th and 31th late at night.

Edit : Tested again just to see, got a light result on normal OPK again and nothing on Clearblue. Weird.

[atomic sagebrush]

My suspicion is that your O is delayed because of the Halloween activities. But have you had any symptoms at all?? EWCM or increased libido?

[Sora]

My suspicion is that your O is delayed because of the Halloween activities. But have you had any symptoms at all?? EWCM or increased libido?

Not really, that's what makes me suspect it may have been yes... Last month was full symptoms and here, nothing or subdued...

[atomic sagebrush]

well, keep having attempts, I suspect you will ovulate once things quiet down a bit!

[Sora]

well, keep having attempts, I suspect you will ovulate once things quiet down a bit!

Tested again yesterday but nothing still, not even a faint line. Looks like a fading pattern. So maybe O did happen still and I failed to get the peak since I had very few occasions or time to test these past days, what with Halloween and all (and being outside most of the time). We tried to keep up with attempts best we could. Not a good month all in all.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sometimes it's the months where we think it's not a good month that we conceive in, though! Good luck and blue dust!

[Sora]

Sometimes it's the months where we think it's not a good month that we conceive in, though! Good luck and blue dust!

Thank you, we'll see. If not, will take a break again.

I don't know why but this time around I put on quite a bit of weight despite eating less (imo) than last summer when I was following blue diet to a T... Also it's weird in that I feel "swollen", like with water retention but I don't think it's that because I drank much better. Even my feets seem swollen. Did it ever happen to other blue swayers ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Are you eating a lot of sodium??

No that's not normal, we may want to have you check in with your doc because I'd like them to check your blood pressure. I know you've been on your feet a lot and sometimes that can cause ankles to swell, but it's just best if we check up on that since rapid weight gain can (rarely) mean a different problem going on that doesn't ahve anything to do with swaying, but with your overall health.

[Sora]

Are you eating a lot of sodium??

No that's not normal, we may want to have you check in with your doc because I'd like them to check your blood pressure. I know you've been on your feet a lot and sometimes that can cause ankles to swell, but it's just best if we check up on that since rapid weight gain can (rarely) mean a different problem going on that doesn't ahve anything to do with swaying, but with your overall health.

Now that you ask about it, I did eat saltier kind of foods these past weeks :think:. Not that I add salt or anything with it, but it just happens that everything I've eaten lately is on the saltier side of things : saltier meats, stocked up on beef and chicken jerky thanks to a sale, had pastas with salty sauce or other plates and recipes that are more seasonned with salt and pepper than usual... Even the water I used has a bit more sodium than the other brands. Do you think that may be the cause ?

I have been feeling a bit better and less bloated these past days. On the other hand, I've got one week left before AF if BFN so I may also be PMSing. Otherwise, I've got no other symptoms and don't even know if I ovulated in the end :hair: