DH sway efforts

[Thinkingofthree]

I’ve been on LE diet for 12 weeks so we will likely attempt this month. I’m currently on AF so just 2ish weeks until attempt.
What can DH do at this point to help with the sway? I’ve seen that partners take olive leaf extract? How much/often? Is this better than licorice root?
DH wears boxers. Is it too late for switching to tighty whities to help?
Anything he can do in this brief window?
He’s currently dieting but not exercising.

Thanks!!

[atomic sagebrush]

If he's dieting he's already doing more than 95% of other men! :)

Olive Leaf is fine provided he is not on any blood thinning medication (and if he's on any kind of medication he needs to clear this with his doctor AND pharmacist first - docs know things that pharmacists don't and vice versa) 500-1000 mg dry leaf, or use liquid and follow the dose on the bottle for liquids as they are all formulated differently. Start right away, go thru till BFP at which point he should gradually wean off by spacing doses further and further out till down to one per week, then you can drop it.

OLE is not INSTEAD of LR. That is a common misconception. it is cranberry or OLE AND LR or peppermint tea. You can take OLE with LR. But the thing is, LR has not worked (neither has peppermint OR cranberry) and it has a lot of health risks and also cuts odds of conception. I am rarely recommending it to anyone any more and I couldn't recommend it without a custom plan anyway since I don't knowyour husband's health histoy.

Yes, switching to tighty whiteys may help, but it will cut odds of conception and has never been proven to work.

Drinking soy milk also may help 12-48 oz per day. Again, may cut odds of conception, has not been proved to work.

The ONLY things I believe to be proven are smoking and jogging/biking. All the rest of it I remain skeptical of.

[Thinkingofthree]

Okay so sounds like there isn’t much reason to think any of the supplements (OLE/LR/peppermint tea/cranberry) work? I guess I’m confused because I’ve seen in multiple posts that OLE specifically (not OLE with LR) has been getting good results lately and is being recommended because it does work? Maybe I’m misunderstanding something...
So is taking OLE by itself useless without LR?

[Thinkingofthree]

Another question - DH drinks a lot of herbal tea. I know I’m supposed to stay away from tea while doing LE... Is tea something he should be staying away from too? If so, will stopping two weeks prior to attempt make any difference?


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[atomic sagebrush]

We are pretty darn sure that LR, pep tea, and cranberry do NOT work - this is what our statistics show.

I am highly skeptical of the results on OLE. THe reason being, when we first started to use it, I (still being highly skeptical of it at that time, for reasons I can go into if anyone is interested) the only people I had use it were those who had been swaying a long time and not conceiving, or whose husbands had some health or sperm qualitiy issue (these things sway pink.) So it was NOT a randomly selected sample group, it was only those who were in declined fertiliy - either on her side or his and/or who had been on diet a long time and thus may have been more likely to conceive girls to begin with. Some were on Clomid/Femara (also sway pink) and I had them switch from cranberry to OLE in case the cran was too harsh on sperm. So again, not a random sample group.

The results we got during that time were very good (higher 70% range) So more and more people began using it. And slowly, as more people used it who were NOT in the declined fertility/long time on diet/clomid or Femara group, the results have declined as the sample size has grown and are now barely better than the overall success rate of the site (69% vs. 71%) and with the larger sample size, it's much more reliable than our original data. I suspect OLE is going to continue to drop till it is equal to the overall success rate of the site, meaning it's probably not working.

[atomic sagebrush]

Another question - DH drinks a lot of herbal tea. I know I’m supposed to stay away from tea while doing LE... Is tea something he should be staying away from too? If so, will stopping two weeks prior to attempt make any difference?


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If he can, keep any given type of herb tea to no more than 2-3 servings per week. We honestly do not know how all the herbs work and it may be that any/all of them have medicinal effects we don't know about. But herbal tea 2-3 servings per week just can't have a medicinal effect and so if he was drinking peppermint 3x a week, orange blossom 3x a week, jasmine 3x a week, etc then none of them could really be adding up to have any appreciable effect (as far as we know!)

[Thinkingofthree]

We are pretty darn sure that LR, pep tea, and cranberry do NOT work - this is what our statistics show.

I am highly skeptical of the results on OLE. THe reason being, when we first started to use it, I (still being highly skeptical of it at that time, for reasons I can go into if anyone is interested) the only people I had use it were those who had been swaying a long time and not conceiving, or whose husbands had some health or sperm qualitiy issue (these things sway pink.) So it was NOT a randomly selected sample group, it was only those who were in declined fertiliy - either on her side or his and/or who had been on diet a long time and thus may have been more likely to conceive girls to begin with. Some were on Clomid/Femara (also sway pink) and I had them switch from cranberry to OLE in case the cran was too harsh on sperm. So again, not a random sample group.

The results we got during that time were very good (higher 70% range) So more and more people began using it. And slowly, as more people used it who were NOT in the declined fertility/long time on diet/clomid or Femara group, the results have declined as the sample size has grown and are now barely better than the overall success rate of the site (69% vs. 71%) and with the larger sample size, it's much more reliable than our original data. I suspect OLE is going to continue to drop till it is equal to the overall success rate of the site, meaning it's probably not working.

Thanks! I really appreciate this detailed explanation and feel like I understand more now.
I’ll talk this over with DH and decide if we should hold off on OLE for a few cycles then. If we do use it, do you recommend using it with or without LR? (Sorry, guess I’m still confused on that point [emoji39]).

[Thinkingofthree]

If he can, keep any given type of herb tea to no more than 2-3 servings per week. We honestly do not know how all the herbs work and it may be that any/all of them have medicinal effects we don't know about. But herbal tea 2-3 servings per week just can't have a medicinal effect and so if he was drinking peppermint 3x a week, orange blossom 3x a week, jasmine 3x a week, etc then none of them could really be adding up to have any appreciable effect (as far as we know!)

Okay, he drinks passion fruit, bramblewine, and orange blossom almost everyday. I’ll see if he’d be willing to space them out more. Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks! I really appreciate this detailed explanation and feel like I understand more now.
I’ll talk this over with DH and decide if we should hold off on OLE for a few cycles then. If we do use it, do you recommend using it with or without LR? (Sorry, guess I’m still confused on that point [emoji39]).

LOL yes as I was scrolling thru my answer I was like "kristin u forgot the OLE/LR question!"

You can use OLE with LR or independent of it. The way it works is that you do EITHER OLE or cranberry, and EITHER pep tea or LR. The LR and pep tea are what can't be used together, the OLE and cranberry are what can't be used together, but the OLE and LR CAN be used together.

BUTTTTT...the thing is that in our results, pep tea has not worked, and LR is getting SUCH bad results that it almost appears to be swaying blue (getting like 33% success rate these days?!?!?!) I can't quite give up on LR just yet, because biologically it should sway pink, and for the first 3-4 years of the site it was getting 70%, but I am using it less and less and it is just really not seeming to help anyone at all (plus it has health risks and side effects up to preventing conception)

So whether or not you take the OLE, you may want to skip the LR anyway since it's really not getting r done anyway.

[Thinkingofthree]

LOL yes as I was scrolling thru my answer I was like "kristin u forgot the OLE/LR question!"

You can use OLE with LR or independent of it. The way it works is that you do EITHER OLE or cranberry, and EITHER pep tea or LR. The LR and pep tea are what can't be used together, the OLE and cranberry are what can't be used together, but the OLE and LR CAN be used together.

BUTTTTT...the thing is that in our results, pep tea has not worked, and LR is getting SUCH bad results that it almost appears to be swaying blue (getting like 33% success rate these days?!?!?!) I can't quite give up on LR just yet, because biologically it should sway pink, and for the first 3-4 years of the site it was getting 70%, but I am using it less and less and it is just really not seeming to help anyone at all (plus it has health risks and side effects up to preventing conception)

So whether or not you take the OLE, you may want to skip the LR anyway since it's really not getting r done anyway.

Got it, thanks! So weird the results have varied so much ~ I guess hubby will probably be staying away from LR!

[atomic sagebrush]

It IS weird and that's why it's taken me so long to give up on LR. Because when something goes from being that good (and that was during a time period where overall we were getting our lowest results since we hadn't figured out about the one attempt yet and so anything that seemed to be working during that time, I am inclined to trust more) to that bad, my inclination is to chalk that up to a statistical quirk, but it's been going on SO long now that I"m starting to wonder if the statistical quirk was the GOOD results and not the bad ones! :/ But by every theory of swaying LR should sway pink, and all the other sites use it (more than us, too!) So I am very hesitant to completely axe it but I'm getting there.

Sorry, wish I had all the answers here and now, but as you all know this is a work in progress.