Help!! Too short LP and my attempt is coming up :(

[Linni]

Hi Atomic!

Please pleeeeaase help me, last cycle my LP was only 9 days, then I tried to ease my sway a little bit calories-wise and tried to eat the amount of 60g protein and fat every day, not below, and more full fat dairy and eggs.
This month it even dropped to only 8 days, AF just arrived :((

I‘m so depressed...if I losen up the diet even more I’m afraid it’s going to sway blue, and if I continue as I did then maybe I don’t even have a chance to fall pregnant :((

I‘m going to see my gynecologist, but the appointment is not until the end of June, and we wanted to have our attempt in June..


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[Linni]

Hi Atomic!

Please pleeeeaase help me, last cycle my LP was only 9 days, then I tried to ease my sway a little bit calories-wise and tried to eat the amount of 60g protein and fat every day, not below, and more full fat dairy and eggs.
This month it even dropped to only 8 days, AF just arrived :((

I‘m so depressed...if I losen up the diet even more I’m afraid it’s going to sway blue, and if I continue as I did then maybe I don’t even have a chance to fall pregnant :((

I‘m going to see my gynecologist, but the appointment is not until the end of June, and we wanted to have our attempt in June..


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Oh. And I did slowly wean my boy (17m) this cycle, all to lengthen the LP. I‘m only BF him 1 time a day now, the last cycle it was still 3-5x a day.
So that also didn’t help?!


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[Raining]

Just wanted to say I’m kind of in the same boat!

Last cycle my LP was only 9 days so I made sure I added in a few eggs a week. I didn’t get a temp shift after my positive opk 4 days ago so I’m not even sure if I ovulated this month!

Our attempt is next cycle as well. Best of luck to you!

[Linni]

Just wanted to say I’m kind of in the same boat!

Last cycle my LP was only 9 days so I made sure I added in a few eggs a week. I didn’t get a temp shift after my positive opk 4 days ago so I’m not even sure if I ovulated this month!

Our attempt is next cycle as well. Best of luck to you!

I also track temp and my OPK was only „almost positive“. May have missed the surge though...but my temp shift also happened actually 4 days later. But my gyn told me she can’t see any signs of ovulation (was at her‘s approx. one week after my estimated O)
:(
So I my not even have ovulated this month, too!!


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[Linni]

Just wanted to say I’m kind of in the same boat!

Last cycle my LP was only 9 days so I made sure I added in a few eggs a week. I didn’t get a temp shift after my positive opk 4 days ago so I’m not even sure if I ovulated this month!

Our attempt is next cycle as well. Best of luck to you!

How long have you been on the diet so far?
For me it’s 11-12 weeks now


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[atomic sagebrush]

Your body often takes time to work out a short LP. So if you cut back in month 1, it may take month 2 and 3 to fix things and then month 4 will be back to normal (or closer to normal)

You do NOT need to loosen up more on the diet. This is very likely just a situation where it's taking things a little more than one month to correct. Just keep giving your body the food it needs and it will correct things but sometimes it takes a bit of time.

How sure are you about when you ovulated??

I have seen many people get pregnant with 9 day LP and quite a few get pg with 8. This is not a dealbreaker.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh. And I did slowly wean my boy (17m) this cycle, all to lengthen the LP. I‘m only BF him 1 time a day now, the last cycle it was still 3-5x a day.
So that also didn’t help?!


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Your body does not react as quickly as you are thinking of it. It can take weeks, if not months for your body to "realize" you aren't lactating any more (this is why you will still be making milk for a while after weaning) and for your fertility to be restored. When you change things, you cannot expect that small changes will immediately bring about huge results, it takes time for your hormones to normalize again.

[atomic sagebrush]

I also track temp and my OPK was only „almost positive“. May have missed the surge though...but my temp shift also happened actually 4 days later. But my gyn told me she can’t see any signs of ovulation (was at her‘s approx. one week after my estimated O)
:(
So I my not even have ovulated this month, too!!


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But just because you haven't ovulated yet does not mean you won't. Obviously if AF has arrived you didn't ovulate, but in the majority of the cases (people who think "oh no I haven't ovulated yet, this means i"m having an anovulatory cycle" when they don't get a pos OPK or a temp shift when they think they should) will still go on to ovulate, have a LP, and get their period 10-14 days after they ovulate even when their O is quite late. I just don't want anyone to read this and not understand that most of the time, late O does not equal NO O.

If you did not ovulate this month, then your LP wasn't short. It was simply an anovulatory cycle and it is entirely likely it was jsut a "reset" month and now things will normalize. It is not unusual to have an anovulatory cycle now and then even without swaying/breastfeeding. So please don't despair, it's very likely that things are on the upswing now, I'd keep doing what you're doing and not change your diet any more than you already have.

[Linni]

Your body often takes time to work out a short LP. So if you cut back in month 1, it may take month 2 and 3 to fix things and then month 4 will be back to normal (or closer to normal)

You do NOT need to loosen up more on the diet. This is very likely just a situation where it's taking things a little more than one month to correct. Just keep giving your body the food it needs and it will correct things but sometimes it takes a bit of time.

How sure are you about when you ovulated??

I have seen many people get pregnant with 9 day LP and quite a few get pg with 8. This is not a dealbreaker.

Oh, okay... I always thought the dealbreaker was 10 days - below it would be nearly impossible to get pregnant.

I got what looked like a positive opk on CD 18, and that correlated with veeeery much EWCM on CD 18, and then on CD 21 came my temperature shift. And today on CD 29 my period started.

As I said, the gyn told me that she believed I didn‘t ovulate at all this cycle :(

She meant it was due to the prolactin, and that I should wean if I wanted to get pregnant. But I have to say that she is rather old-fashioned with her opinions about maternal age (I‘m 33 and she is not amused about „old moms to be“, and BF at 18m also doesn’t seem normal to her).


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[Linni]

But just because you haven't ovulated yet does not mean you won't. Obviously if AF has arrived you didn't ovulate, but in the majority of the cases (people who think "oh no I haven't ovulated yet, this means i"m having an anovulatory cycle" when they don't get a pos OPK or a temp shift when they think they should) will still go on to ovulate, have a LP, and get their period 10-14 days after they ovulate even when their O is quite late. I just don't want anyone to read this and not understand that most of the time, late O does not equal NO O.

If you did not ovulate this month, then your LP wasn't short. It was simply an anovulatory cycle and it is entirely likely it was jsut a "reset" month and now things will normalize. It is not unusual to have an anovulatory cycle now and then even without swaying/breastfeeding. So please don't despair, it's very likely that things are on the upswing now, I'd keep doing what you're doing and not change your diet any more than you already have.

Yeah, again, my gyn... she also isn’t into tracking temperature and thinks this is humbug. I told her that I had a temperature shift, and that my LP is very short and what did she say??
No, there isn’t something like a short LP, when a cycle is longer or shorter, then it’s always the phase from AF to O which changes. The LP is always the same length.

Whaaaat??!!

I personally think that she was wrong and I did ovulate because my temperature looks like this (I didn’t measure anymore after CD 26)



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[Linni]

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[atomic sagebrush]

When is this chart in relation to when you saw the doctor?

[atomic sagebrush]

Nope the dealbreaker is 7 days or less. 7 days is when the corpus luteum starts to break down and the body will release the secondary estrogen surge to maintain the lining. So if that doesn't happen, the CL will break down at that point and the lining starts to come off.

Looking at your chart I agree that looks ovulatory to me. May I ask how she determined whether you had ovulated or not?? Because your chart is obviously ovulatory!

You need a new doctor. 33 is NOT advanced maternal age and any doctor, in this day and age, who shames any 33 year old woman who wants a baby is not going to be serving you as well as you deserve.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yeah, again, my gyn... she also isn’t into tracking temperature and thinks this is humbug. I told her that I had a temperature shift, and that my LP is very short and what did she say??
No, there isn’t something like a short LP, when a cycle is longer or shorter, then it’s always the phase from AF to O which changes. The LP is always the same length.

Whaaaat??!!

I personally think that she was wrong and I did ovulate because my temperature looks like this (I didn’t measure anymore after CD 26)



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Seriously - you need a new doctor. We do occasionally run across the docs especially in Europe and the UK who "don't believe in" short LP as a problem, but stating that the length of time from ovulation to your period cannot change is simply wrong and is dangerous misinformation. It's true that often when the cycle varies it IS the AF- O period and then there will be a 14 day LP tacked onto that, but a short LP is absolutely a real thing!

I'd really like to know how she determined you didn't ovulate.

[Linni]

When is this chart in relation to when you saw the doctor?

On CD 23 I was at the doctor‘s


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[Linni]

Nope the dealbreaker is 7 days or less. 7 days is when the corpus luteum starts to break down and the body will release the secondary estrogen surge to maintain the lining. So if that doesn't happen, the CL will break down at that point and the lining starts to come off.

Looking at your chart I agree that looks ovulatory to me. May I ask how she determined whether you had ovulated or not?? Because your chart is obviously ovulatory!

You need a new doctor. 33 is NOT advanced maternal age and any doctor, in this day and age, who shames any 33 year old woman who wants a baby is not going to be serving you as well as you deserve.

My new appointment at the end of June is with a new gyn actually! I agree that she doesn’t match with me anymore. When I wanted a second baby I was 32 (I am 34 actually - sorry....my mummy brain lol..) and she was like „Oh...then ttc for 6 months and when it doesn’t work then hurry up and make a new appointment, because at your age we don’t have time to lose!“

She did an U/S and couldn’t see any corpus luteum. And she said that this means I didn’t ovulate because if I had ovulated then a corpus luteum would be visible for a while.


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[Raining]

How long have you been on the diet so far?
For me it’s 11-12 weeks now


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About 9 weeks

[Linni]

Oh, and Atomic - I had about 5 normal cycles with a period postpartum before I started the LE diet, and all have been with a normal LP of 12-13 days (except the 1st cycle after the first period, it also was with 8 days LP. But then it quickly went back to normal).
So it’s clearly the diet which stresses my body. I have a feeling that it wants to tell me „Oh. There‘s bad times coming up, so it’s either lactating OR getting pregnant. Let’s rather safe the born baby than an unborn!“ and it shortened my normal cycle length...

Could this be true?

My BMI went from 21,5 to 20,7, if this is important.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Doctors can miss the corpus luteum. There are women who are several weeks pregnant whose docs can't find the CL (but they ovulated, since they're pregnant!) I'm with you here. I find an error more likely than a normal cycle (while it's possible to have a relatively normal anovulatory cycle, usually it's shorter or longer and not so close to normal range) with a temp rise.

I don't think your body puts that much thought into it...whenever it feels like it can't sustain a pregnancy, too little food, too much exercise, and yes, breastfeeding can definitely play a role, anything that just feels like a strain on your body. But don't overthink it. It doesn't mean you need to give up breastfeeding, it just means you need to eat more! At BMI 21 that is when I want you to hold steady on weight anyway so no more weight loss.

[Linni]

Doctors can miss the corpus luteum. There are women who are several weeks pregnant whose docs can't find the CL (but they ovulated, since they're pregnant!) I'm with you here. I find an error more likely than a normal cycle (while it's possible to have a relatively normal anovulatory cycle, usually it's shorter or longer and not so close to normal range) with a temp rise.

I don't think your body puts that much thought into it...whenever it feels like it can't sustain a pregnancy, too little food, too much exercise, and yes, breastfeeding can definitely play a role, anything that just feels like a strain on your body. But don't overthink it. It doesn't mean you need to give up breastfeeding, it just means you need to eat more! At BMI 21 that is when I want you to hold steady on weight anyway so no more weight loss.

Yes, I’m aware of that and not losing any more weight. I have to eat 2.200+ a day though to maintain my weight. Obviously I‘m a fast burner or my kids help me stay on my feet all day...?! :)


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[atomic sagebrush]

Some of us just have very quick metabolisms. I'm that way too. Not so much any more but when I was in my 20's and 30's I could easily eat 2500-3000 cals a day and not gain an ounce. But it's not about some set amount of calories, I had to pick a number for convenience that will work for the majority, but some of us just need to up that.

[Linni]

Some of us just have very quick metabolisms. I'm that way too. Not so much any more but when I was in my 20's and 30's I could easily eat 2500-3000 cals a day and not gain an ounce. But it's not about some set amount of calories, I had to pick a number for convenience that will work for the majority, but some of us just need to up that.

And with your girl - did you do the LE diet with 1800 cal...? I would literally starve on 1800-2000 cal!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I was breastfeeding two children and I seriously doubt I ever got that low in cals (maybe a day here or a day there but not consistently). I didn't track after the first week and just let my overall weight loss and milk supply be my guide.