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Throwaway_panther
July 22nd, 2018, 08:56 AM
TTC a BOY Sway Attempt
Gender Result:
Girl
DW Age:
Just turned 29
DH Age:
37
Current Children's Gender(s)
Girl (22 months at conception)
Number of Months TTC
1
Did you purchase and follow a GD Personalized Plan?
No
MINERALS
Calcium Intake(Please describe)
Diet and prenatal
Magnesium Intake(Please describe)
Diet and prenatal
Potassium Intake(Please describe)
Diet, a little in prenatal, 99 mg supplement, and we use potassium salt to soften our well water
Sodium Intake(Please describe)
Diet
SUPPLEMENTS USED
DW Supplements Robitussin/Guafanesin tablets
Vitamin E
Fish Oil
Folic Acid
Royal Jelly


DH Supplements Zinc
Fish Oil
Multi-vitamin
Vitamin D
L-Arginine


Any additional supplement info?
Buckle up for this full supplement list!
DH: Fertilaid for men/sometimes multivitamin
Vitamin C (weaned off a month or two before -- this was recommended by REs and urologist for sperm health)
Occasional Vitamin E
Occasional Zinc (didn't do extra zinc and E with multi)
Acai
Vitamin D
L-Arginine
Fish Oil
Black Seed Oil (observed to improve sperm all around in several studies)
Oat straw infusions
Occasional Guafanesin (I think he never took these lol)
CoQ10
Pycnogenol (had only been a few weeks)

Me:
Prenatal
Probiotic
Fish Oil (480 mg)
Vitamin D 1000-2000 IU
Folate 1000-2000 mcg
Acai
NAC 600 mg
Low Dose Naltrexone (this is an experimental med used to reduce miscarriage/improve fertility)
R-ALA 100 mg
Occasional Vitamin C
Occasional Vitamin E
Royal Jelly
Ubiquinol
Pycnogenol (just a few weeks)
Mucinex tablets from AF-O
I was on melatonin regularly to semi-regularly from November to February. Weaned off at each surprise pregnancy during that time, and of course weaned off before our March FET.

JUST for this cycle, I started taking DHEA and Maca. I know this was CRAZY risky (and I know my DHEA level was normal), but this was literally my "Hail Mary" cycle and had seen women in my RPL position do this and get pregnant with sticky babies. So I only took both of these for 1-2 weeks total, since I went off when I thought ovulation was getting delayed (though in hindsight, I think I sit naturally at a later ovulation no matter what, and earlier ovulation seems to be worse for me!)

I had also started taking a super small amount of CBD in my tea. On one hand it reduces inflammation and helped depression. On the other, it's a big question mark in swaying!

I am probably forgetting some I will add later! Many of these that aren't normal "boy sway" things were used after lots of research and consultation to improve DH's sperm/reduce his fragmentation while also hopefully reducing miscarriage odds in me (though we are fairly certain I wasn't the issue :/ )
DIET
Did you follow a diet plan?
Yes
If yes to diet, which one did you most follow? HE(High Everything)


Comments regarding DW's diet changes-
Vastly different than before DD. Ate 1800-2000+ calories a day (versus my 800 or less with DD -- DON'T DO THIS!). Protein was NEVER below 90g, and usually average well above 100/110g a day. Kept fat high. Had gotten off keto around January/February and had gradually upped carbs to be in the higher double digits/got into 100-150g depending. I never did the crazy keto though of no carbs at all. Fat was usually in the higher double digit grams. VERY minimal alcohol. Only caffeine was in tea, and I often was drinking decaf tea though the start of the cycle I conceived I had gone back to some caffeine in black teas/green teas before weaning back off again.

Typical day:

Breakfast: Two eggs, a glass of V8 (sometimes with brewers yeast in it), sundried tomatoes. Sometimes toast as well.

Morning snack: Cereal bar (a recipe I came up with that had oats, Weetabix, and sometimes cheerios mixed with a homemade peanut butter and date paste, topped with unsweetened dark chocolate) paired with whole milk. Sometimes cheese stick and nuts.

Lunch: Often a salad with either chicken, beef or salmon as protein. Dressing was often avocado oil based. Also often ate just a burger patty with avocado and cheese and some nutritional flakes and/or brewers yeast. Sometimes chips or cassave chips (I was still hoping for those twins after the ones I lost!)

Afternoon snack: Sometimes the rest of lunch. This was sort of a freebie -- protein paired with carbs, but sometimes it'd be cookies with milk. Other times it would be cheese and crackers.

Dinner: If it was take out, often pizza with meat on it. Otherwise I actually did a lot of wild game the month I conceived (bison, venison). Lots of red meat. Tended to have potatoes be my main carbs with everything else being vegetables. Any chicken was usually dark meat.

Evening snack: Cereal bar with milk or cheesestick with nuts.

Miscellaneous snacks/other food items: RX bars, tended to avoid sugar and stick to date sugar, any condiments/dressings were avocado oil based or olive oil. Walnuts or brazil nuts were my nut of choice, though almond flour was used for baked goods. Had a few bananas throughout the 6-12 weeks before TTC.

The beginning of the cycle I had very hearty breakfasts since I was at a hotel with great free breakfasts. So lots of eggs, potatoes, breakfast meats, fresh fruit, etc.

Had a full lemon in water per day. Occasionally took electrolyte tabs that used stevia. I did have a cup or two of red raspberry leaf tea in the cycle before conceiving.

I randomly did the baking soda drink a few times for the first time the week before O.

I also had some leftover alkaline waters from back when I drank exclusively those when swaying before my 4-8 losses. Drank the rest of those during this cycle.

I should note, too, that I didn't have milk at all of those snacks -- it was usually only 1, maybe 2 cups of full fat milk a day, with any other dairy being cheese.
If diet was used, length of time before attempt?
Lol, overall? 2+ years. I was on HE diet as of finding out my DD was a girl at 20 weeks pregnant with her. Even though I dabbled with keto from November 2017-January/February of 2018.
Did you skip breakfast regularly?
No
Did DH change his diet with you?
Yes
Comments regarding DH's diet-
DH ate what I ate. He still would miss meals occasionally because of work which drove me crazy, but he's a big "boy eater" anyway between salt, meat, etc.

Definitely had him limited alcohol. He was a frequent drinker, but got him down to 1-2 a week, if that. He was mixed on caffeine.

He hadn't touched anything to smoke in well over a year (he hadn't smoked cigarettes ever, but had regularly had cigar/pipe before DD).
DId you consume alcohol? No


DId you try to limit caffeine?
Yes, I cutback
Any Diet Details?
I went from several drinks a week before DD to 1-2 drinks a MONTH, if that, before this pregnancy. I was pregnant so often or cycling so recently that I really was practically a teetotaler. Anytime I did drink, it was only ever red wine or unfiltered craft beer. I did have a craft beer right around ovulation this month.

Caffeine wise, I have not touched coffee since I was 3 weeks pregnant with DD. Only caffeine was from tea -- black or green. I had tea daily. Was often just drinking decaf tea from the IVF process, had gotten back on caffeinated tea at beginning of this cycle, then weaned back down to decaf black and green teas.
Any Diet Comments/Additional Info?
Not sure where else to put these, but: I had been using baking soda toothpaste since I was pregnant with DD. lol

I had been REALLY big on being EWG friendly and limited plastics/toxicity for awhile. So everything was cooked and store in glass and not plastic. Even did nontoxic deoderants, makeup, bath soap, shampoo, etc. for awhile.

Made DH change his beard oil from essential oils to just jojoba oil for a few months before this cycle.
WEIGHT AND EXERCISE
What did you weigh/BMI do leading up to O?
Before DD: I was in the 19s and actively losing weight.

Now: I tried very hard to avoid knowing about my weight lest I be triggered into my eating disorder again, but last weight I had seen shortly before this cycle put me at a BMI of 23.5ish.

I think I have lower body fat than most because of my years of weight lifting, as even in the 19s I was extremely thin, and even at this higher weight I was back in a lot of my prepregnancy clothes.
Any Weight/Exercise related additional info/comments?
I did a mix of weights and TONS of cardio before DD, averaging 7+ hours of exercise a week.

Because of the IVF process and FET, I was way more limited in my exercise in the months before this conception. I had just started lifting a little big again the month I conceived. Any other exercise was yoga or hiking/walking (sometimes while wearing DD). Was nervous because I was bordering on couch potato because of the weather and all the medical stuff and am still not sure how that sways based on my obsessive reading of pink and blue sways!
THINGS in VG and CONCEPTION DATE(CD) INFO
pH Before Starting a Sway Program, if known
-
Any VG potions used? Preseed


CM pH at attempt
-
DH pH
-
THE DEED INFO
How many BD attempts did you make for the BFP cycle?
5-6?!
BD Pattern DTD through Ovulation
BD every few days


BD Dates according to Ovulation 4 Days Before O
3 Days Before O
1 Day Before O
O Day


BD Position
Multiple
Any additional comments?
I did BSF O-1. Dipped finger in preseed than baking soda. Otherwise natural CM for all other attempts. I laid with my hips propped and feet up for a half hour after all attempts (including in between the 2x AM attempts). Tried to lay on stomach as well per atomic's recommendation. I was usually up so early that I was able to fit all of this laying down in before DD woke up!

Lots of AM attempts (5/6), and sperm has been shown to be higher count in mornings -- and fragmentation is lower because of body tempts lowered from sleep! I don't think we had any morning attempts before DD (which is funny, since we've usually been morning/midday sex people).
Any relevant attempt details?
This is officially the O attempts:

O-4: 1x AM.
O-3: 1x AM
O-1: 2x in AM. (I O'd 3x throughout) (Had positive OPKs on this day)
O Day: 2x (1 in AM, 1 in PM). (OPK was already negative by AM on this day)

I always O'd before and after DH o'd. It could be completely BS, but I had a strong sense that the twice we BD'd in morning was the "one" and when we conceived since DH was raring to go so soon after, and I had read a study that fragmentation was way lowered with close together releases. We did multiple positions for that particular morning.

We DTD EOD unprotected for the rest of the cycle.

We know DH actually has higher sperm count/concentration and better sperm in general with closer together releases from 3 different SAs and a sperm fragmentation test. So he actually seems to do better with not going as long as 3-4 days between releases.
Did you do anything with Ions?
I work on a laptop and keep phone in pocket I guess. I kind of have blown off this concept a ton after reading one study that linked cellphone proximity to miscarriage.
Moon Phase during conception?
Waning Crescent
Did you use any Old Wives Tales?
I've had boy clothes (including 'little brother' pajamas) underneath both my mattress and pillow since DD was born.
Things that make me feel great about my sway:
If anyone is a Harry Potter fan: this felt like my Felix Felicis attempt.

Even before I got the PGS results from my second IVF cycle, I had this strong feeling that, "Maybe I needed to go through all of this to get to a point where trying after would be the one." We then decided to transfer two XYs anyway, lost them VERY early, and I felt, "OK, this was it." I felt like everything sort of lined up -- the O attempts, that DH ended up being so ready to go for all of those morning attempts (even multiple in a row), that I had happened to have so much wild game from a trip earlier that cycle, had gotten more sun exposure/Vitamin D as a result, etc. Interestingly, April of last year was also when I felt a similar feeling, so maybe April was always (hopefully) supposed to be my month?

I also had a lot of sort of hoodoo/weird universe stuff happen and line up right beforehand -- let's hope I'm not nuts!

Otherwise, I was exercising way less, eating way more, and eating way differently before this pregnancy than I was before DD.

We had a lot of sex.

I toyed with the DHEA by taking the bare minimum supplement for a hot second this cycle, and I've seen a gazillion women end up with boys when taking this just for fertility purposes.

DH admitted he feels it's a boy (he thought DD was a girl from positive test), and he never had any feelings from our losses. So maybe his intuition actually means something? Hopefully. We're already getting a lot of boy guesses for this pregnancy, but then people thought DD was a boy too (I just seem like a boy mom lol!).

ICING: I did a LOT of research on this. I truly credit icing with why we're here -- I had DH icing his balls beginning in January everynight. We originally did this after seeing things saying it could help heal a varicocele (something we thought he had and why he had such high oxidative stress damage to his sperm DNA). When we discovered he didn't (LONG, UNRESOLVED STORY), it didn't matter since I was already pregnant with this baby. But I then found that many studies still found lowered DNA damage with consistent, long term icing, as well as increased sperm issues all around. Even from January to February, we saw improvement with his semen sample for the second IVF cycle (though clearly not enough), but he kept icing all the way through now, so he had a good 4 months or so of this by the time we conceived. I have many of the studies showing how icing improves sperm count, concentration, quality, etc. saved if anyone is interested.
Things that make me nervous about my sway:
Everything since I am perpetually critical and analyzing.

I had just weaned off myo insitol a month or two prior. I had quickly pulled DH off of the extra Vitamin C when I remember that some people use that as part of a girl sway. I was eating more 1800-2000 range than the 2000-2200 range, though I know the beginning of the cycle I was totally tipping over 2000 because of a week long trip. Out of habit from keto, I had just had some homemade bread that was almond flour/psyllium husk (so higher fiber). I hadn't been doing as much weight lifting as I would have liked because of the IVF/FET process preventing a lot of that. Unsure if the chemical counted or not, since I had literally only one day of positive pregnancy tests and then an unviable (under 10 HCG) blood test the day after -- so I can't imagine the HCG ever tipped 15 or 20? I had also had a mild cold the week before ovulation -- only a head cold/sore throat and I was taking mucinex all along anyway. Had a lot more tea and bone broth as a result though?

I'm nervous about the NAC after learning that it could potentially help blood sugar, but I also personally know several women who went on to have boys while taking it to reduce miscarriage odds, so not sure how much it does (studies saw people taking it at a much higher dose for blood sugar purposes, as well). Though NAC I've since read apparently does wonders for CM.

After everything we've gone through, I'm still just very hesitant to think DH can make healthy boys. I know we can make boys... I just don't know if we can make viable ones together :(
Things worth mentioning:
Maybe having the two boys in me so recently (and I'll go to my grave thinking the pregnancy before that was also two boys) helped set me up for further boys?

Midwife posited all of my losses were girls since I had symptoms with them and not this pregnancy (lol, this is BS, but I guess I'm mentioning it). Though I personally am nervous that the majority of those losses were actually boys and I'm finally sitting in the second trimester again because we only seem to get healthy girls (though I am fairly certain I also lost a girl or two or three in all of my losses).

I'm hyperfertile, though I don't know how much that will help me for a boy with DH's wonky sperm!

AF (or chemical, I guess) started in AM this cycle (it had started in PM the cycle I conceived DD). After the loss in February, this had been generally the longest gap in between losses before conceiving if we sort of ignore the "barely pregnant" FET? Since before I was just getting pregnant immediately after every loss.

I'm conflicted on how the FET process might have affected things.
Things that make me nervous over girl sway: progesterone supplementation until a few days before the end of that cycle.
Baby aspirin until a few days before the end of that cycle.
Things that might have swayed blue: Prednisone tablets until a few days before the end of that cycle.
Things I'm unsure on: Estrace tablets were taken from before transfer until a few days before end of cycle. Higher estrogen = boys? But also this suppressed ovulation, which is like BC, which would be more girl friendly? I'd be interested for anyone to weigh in!

I felt very confident going into this sway, knowing how long I've been different from when I conceived DD, and lacked the sort of typical self destructive attitude I normally have. Having pretty much reached the end of our rope, I knew there was nothing else to do BUT to try. I felt pretty fine too in the early days of this pregnancy -- I've of course reverted back to doubt and thinking this is a girl since I've had dreams of a girl (and I had dreams of a girl with DD). But I've also had a dream of a newborn with a diaper, and now a dream of a boy -- though the nurse cut his penis in half because it was so big?!

I also forgot to mention initially: I had been doing weekly to biweekly acupuncture since August 2017. So I had a solid 8 months or so of 3-4 acupuncture sessions a month.


I want to note: I REALLY hesitated in putting this sway up. After having so many drafted before and never shared because of losses, I felt like I didn't want to jinx it? So I'm really nervous even to share this.

Throwaway_panther
July 22nd, 2018, 09:04 AM
And we are going Team Green. This is an insanely different plan than I ever thought, but after as many losses as we've had and DD's obsession with babies, I don't trust me to keep a baby if it's a girl after all of this. So I'm essentially trapping myself into this pregnancy for DD's sake, so that she has a sibling no matter what (and it'll be the last baby in my 20s!).

I just hope and pray that this is my boy. My son.





This also might be the longest sway ever posted :oops:

ksmom
July 22nd, 2018, 09:35 AM
Very thorough TP! lol You had a really great sway! I have my fingers and toes crossed this is your son!!!

atomic sagebrush
July 22nd, 2018, 02:30 PM
Huge congrats! Sending you all my blue dust.

I do not believe progesterone sways. The evidence for that is soo ridiculously sparse as to be unbelievable for me. So I would not be at all worried about that.

Estrace on paper should sway blue, the fact is we honestly don't know how it all works. I believe the BCP takes more than a month or even two or three to sway pink anyway so I do not consider Estrace to work like BCP.

As you already know, Panther, but for benefit of others reading this, not everything in this sway I personally believe in. So I would urge everyone to run some of these things past me too (this is not the place for it, of course) before doing everything in here as some of the things IMO are not beneficial.

ABC.2606
July 22nd, 2018, 03:58 PM
Yay TP!!! LOL yup you're right this is probably the most detail-oriented and thorough sway I've seen on here - but I'd say that's great for blue!!! :) :) Can't wait until this rainbow bean of yours is born!!!! I know how you feel about posting your sway after the losses - I haven't done mine yet for the exact same reason!

kittendreams
July 22nd, 2018, 06:09 PM
Yes I think the award for most detail oriented sway goes to you TP!
Fwiw I think your eating was spot on- this is my preferred eating style and I have two beautiful boys.
Also fwiw re: the icing I think I've posted this before on another blue swayers post but my DH has always put cold drink cans between his legs while he drives ( he drives all day long for work and works in the heat) because it keeps his jewels cool lol he loves it! He gave up the habit for 2.5 years while we swayed for ds2 and now this little bean and he is so so happy to be able to do it again now we are pregnant with our last so maybe there's something to it!

Tp I really hope this is your son! I think everyone here at gender dreaming is rooting for you after all the heartache you've been through xx

Throwaway_panther
July 22nd, 2018, 07:32 PM
Thank you everyone for reading and your support. and haha, I'm such a swot -- I'm just hoping any other blue swayer with the thirst for detail I had will appreciate my obnoxious details!

@kittendreams: That's really interesting!! DH drives and tests car in the heat too (sometimes VERY high heat), so my theory is that's what our issue was (he didn't have this job before DD). The soda can is a good trick I'm going to start making DH do! If only he loved it like yours does :P

@atomic: Yeah, I tried to emphasize that the more random and even perilous things like baking soda, DHEA and maca were the "I've had 8 miscarriages and was doing my own Hail Mary" that hopefully no one will copy that (or what I was doing before DD for a girl!). The baking soda finger in particular had some method to madness since I had seen you say you believe it cuts conception, and I found a lot of people elsewhere who got boys, and after only having a successful pregnancy after suppressing my fertility and my sort of obsessive thoughts that I'd never have another healthy baby unless I starved again, I thought: what's a boy thing that could maybe function similarly? And of course any of the supplements DH and I took that are nonstandard boy sway things were specific to miscarriage reduction (NAC, LDN, Acai, etc.)

I've also updated a bit more since I remember more. lol as if there wasn't enough detail, right?!

shinay
July 22nd, 2018, 08:20 PM
I love how detailed this is, TP! I always enjoy reading all the little things in people's sway before since that is how I plan my sway. I know our future blue swayers would appreciate this too. Your plan and diet is very blue friendly, I really hope that this is your son [emoji173]

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LMSM
July 22nd, 2018, 08:30 PM
Good luck TP!
Thanks for sharing, especially considering your history, can so understand how you’d be reluctant.
As a blue swayer, i certainly can appreciate the level of detail and am crossing my fingers so hard this will pay off with a blue bundle for you :) if it’s not a boy with all that, Ill not bother swaying at all next time lol

We will all keeping a close eye for an update come your due date :D

Ps: Kitten, you did mention the icing to me, but how on earth will I get my. Hubs to do that??? Lol

Kelbear
July 22nd, 2018, 10:06 PM
Congratulation TP, I am hoping (and have everything crossed) that this is your little boy! I still haven't posted mine for the same reasons you took your time - thinking we might jinx it. The detail in your sway is amazing and I hope this has helped you get your little guy (I had my sway opposite DS2 after a kitchen sink sway so think that can only have helped you in your boy sway). I also understand wanting to go team green. I can't wait to hear if you get your longed for little man when he is born.

atomic sagebrush
July 23rd, 2018, 07:12 PM
I understand, I just like to keep it at maximum clarity for everyone since we do have people who don't speak English reading some of these threads too. :) Wishing you the best and sending tons of blue dust.

Pbn3
July 24th, 2018, 12:27 AM
TP I cannot wait for you to deliver! What an amazing detailed sway. Any and all my blue dust your way [emoji170]

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Throwaway_panther
July 24th, 2018, 06:43 AM
Thanks everyone. I'm over analyzing everything of course, including any comments you all have made that make me think, "They don't think I did a good sway! I shouldn't have a./b./c." Sigh!

I'm just expecting girl. I try not to think about how awful I'll feel after and keep trying to picture myself with two girls, it just stings so bad and feels so "wrong" to imagine. I even just had a dream last night where I gave birth to a little curly, brown haired baby crying and I "felt" like it was a girl but when I kept looking down, baby was in diaper so I couldn't tell!

aira22
July 24th, 2018, 07:20 PM
Thank you everyone for reading and your support. and haha, I'm such a swot -- I'm just hoping any other blue swayer with the thirst for detail I had will appreciate my obnoxious details!
...

I've also updated a bit more since I remember more. lol as if there wasn't enough detail, right?!

haha, thank you TP for being a swot. I love reading detailed blue sways. I hope this is your baby boy!! I'm kind of stalking your posts just in case you stop being team green and make any gender updates LOL

aira22
July 24th, 2018, 07:54 PM
Don't worry so much! This was a GREAT sway. I wish I would be able to do my sway that thoroughly!!
I can totally understand your fears especially after such crazy dreams but try to relax. Everything will be fine! I'm feeling kind of the same - and I have been in your shoes and faced the situation of actually having another girl (two times) when I wished for a boy. But I won't change my life for nothing in the world, I just love my babies so much. I think that is what every parent even after GD in the beginning will tell. I really hope this time I get a boy but I sooo can not believe it is possible and that makes me angry again because that is no boy-mom behaviour and I'm afraid this attitude hurts my sway lol I know that is kind of ridiculous but TTC makes one go nuts. After I have tried everything possible for this son that I still not have, I found my peace in "Thats how life is. That's fate or god or whatever you believe in. No matter what gender, your child can do and achieve everything nowadays and in our "first-world" anyway - if that is a concern. A healthy baby of either gender is always the best that can happen to us. And Eff everyone who makes comments and leads us to GD in the first place!!
I still hope you get your boy :fx:

trifecta
July 24th, 2018, 08:37 PM
Congratulations on your pregnancy!!! I hope you get your little guy!!!

Throwaway_panther
July 25th, 2018, 07:39 AM
Don't worry so much! This was a GREAT sway. I wish I would be able to do my sway that thoroughly!!
I can totally understand your fears especially after such crazy dreams but try to relax. Everything will be fine! I'm feeling kind of the same - and I have been in your shoes and faced the situation of actually having another girl (two times) when I wished for a boy. But I won't change my life for nothing in the world, I just love my babies so much. I think that is what every parent even after GD in the beginning will tell. I really hope this time I get a boy but I sooo can not believe it is possible and that makes me angry again because that is no boy-mom behaviour and I'm afraid this attitude hurts my sway lol I know that is kind of ridiculous but TTC makes one go nuts. After I have tried everything possible for this son that I still not have, I found my peace in "Thats how life is. That's fate or god or whatever you believe in. No matter what gender, your child can do and achieve everything nowadays and in our "first-world" anyway - if that is a concern. A healthy baby of either gender is always the best that can happen to us. And Eff everyone who makes comments and leads us to GD in the first place!!
I still hope you get your boy :fx:

Thank you for your words aira! And I feel you -- I used to stress that thinking I couldn't get a boy would undermine our sway. Then despite the immense disappointment of our IVF cycles, it at least let me know -- we make boys. Hell, we make boys 50% of the time! We're the 50/50! So I went into this sway knowing that, feeling free that after all of our losses and doing the absolute last thing we could do with IVF, the only thing LEFT to do was to keep swaying and praying/hoping we got that healthy Y. So in this process, I lost the fear of not getting a boy and gained the confidence of, "We just need to keep trying until we get the healthy Y."

And boy was I determined and confident going into this sway. I had reached my point of 'no return' in terms of trauma and grief from these losses and the cycles. I kitchen sinked, was obsessive/control freaky about my diet and DH's icing/supplements, so on and so forth. Boy mom personality hasn't ever been in question for me lol! As much as I say there was stuff "lining up in the universe," it was just that "Felix Felicis" making me feel like: "Ok, WORK for this. Don't give up." If I had lost this pregnancy (fingers crossed I still don't), I was literally contemplating some extreme measures because I was so determine to get my son and DH was clearly the obstacle :X

I even felt fine the first few weeks of this pregnancy -- mostly because I was focused on just staying pregnant! And even at this moment, it's not like I can say, "I just FEEL it's a girl" like I knew with DD. I am just now in a place where I don't want to get my hopes up, and as more boy guesses role in from people around me as I stay Team Green, I'm doing what I always worried about with DD: so many thought SHE was a boy, I would be gutted if we hadn't known before she was born. So now, I convince myself of the opposite so I can hopefully be ecstatic and truly happy for the first time in my life at delivery.

And I admire your feelings on all same gender and how you feel! I want a boy for some very different reasons -- I have a novel somewhere on here about it, haha. The issue lies with -- if THIS baby is an opposite, how could I possibly go through everything again? Hope that was an extremely bad fluke with 8 losses? Sway AGAIN after all this? Etc.

I won't give up to get my son. But the possibility of more endless miscarriages is now a hurtle I never expected to face, and one that could potentially even physically stop me from having more kids! So if the universe/God/whatever is listening to my prayers/thoughts/whatever, as I did before, I bargained a bit: "Let me have this healthy boy, and I WILL go back for those healthy frozen XXs somehow."

Lots of compromise I've made that I never thought I would (I'll never have another girl; I'll never go Team Green unless we have one of each). But I won't compromise my dream of a son. That's my, "Come hell or high water" :wink:

Lilawt
November 5th, 2018, 04:02 PM
Hey! Sorry I’m a bit late to this post but wow! What a fantastic sway!

Firstly it made me so hungry, that diet is my dream ha! Probably explains my boys!

Well done for staying team green! Wishing you lots of luck for your baby boy[emoji170]

Lil


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Throwaway_panther
November 6th, 2018, 06:14 AM
Thank you Lilawt, I appreciate it.

The last few months have been filled with only girl guesses from people around me and while I've had dreams of boys, I had an insanely vivid and specific dream about having a girl so I'm just done hoping. Might have to try Ericsson IUI spinning next I guess -- I don't know what else I can do with DH.

Sora
November 6th, 2018, 07:35 AM
Thank you Lilawt, I appreciate it.

The last few months have been filled with only girl guesses from people around me and while I've had dreams of boys, I had an insanely vivid and specific dream about having a girl so I'm just done hoping. Might have to try Ericsson IUI spinning next I guess -- I don't know what else I can do with DH.

Oh Panther...

Just so you know, about dreams...

My first vivid dream of a child (very vivid I tell you) : It was 2017, said so on my dreamphone (IRL it was 2013 and we were starting TTC). I was waiting outside for DH with a blonde 3 years-old boy at my side. Dh came and up we went for a stroll. End of the dream. Haha.

Come 2017 and I'm with a blonde 3 years-old girl at my side. Go figures !

I had another short one at the time. I was brushing the little brown curls of a child between 5 and 8 who was complaining heavily. But try as I may, I couldn't see their face in the mirror in front of us. It was all fogged up. DD2 has brown curls and is quite grumpy so I guess it was her after all...

I had two dreams while pregnant with DD1. One of myself changing the diapers of a big beautiful baby but try as I may I couldn't look down to see the gender. But the baby's face was girly-looking. I felt disappointed but consoled myself with the fact that dream-baby was really a beautiful healthy one.

The second dream was a bit more cruel : I just gave birth and my baby was taken to see if everything was okay. Then the midwife comes back with a cute blue bundle and tells me "Here's your little boy XXXXX". The first surge of happiness died down because the name was all wrong. My husband asks a question, the midwife seems surprised, looks down on the baby's bracelet and says : "OH I'm SO SORRY ! You're right, this is the son of the couple next door, the birth was at exactly the same time as yours ! Don't worry, we'll bring you your little girl asap !". I felt so crushed !

I had no dreams when pregnant with DD2 and the pregnancy felt very different. Even the first ultrasound, seeing her very strong heartbeat compared to that of her older sister, I wondered if it was a boy. Felt like it and everybody was telling me boy.

Imo, dreams and guesses can be right but they can be wrong too. Still wondering where is that blonde boy I saw so clearly in the first dream. For some time, I thought it meant I would conceive one in 2017. But DD2 happened in-between and we had to forget about TTC for a while.

Throwaway_panther
November 6th, 2018, 07:53 AM
Oh Panther...

Just so you know, about dreams...

My first vivid dream of a child (very vivid I tell you) : It was 2017, said so on my dreamphone (IRL it was 2013 and we were starting TTC). I was waiting outside for DH with a blonde 3 years-old boy at my side. Dh came and up we went for a stroll. End of the dream. Haha.

Come 2017 and I'm with a blonde 3 years-old girl at my side. Go figures !

I had another short one at the time. I was brushing the little brown curls of a child between 5 and 8 who was complaining heavily. But try as I may, I couldn't see their face in the mirror in front of us. It was all fogged up. DD2 has brown curls and is quite grumpy so I guess it was her after all...

I had two dreams while pregnant with DD1. One of myself changing the diapers of a big beautiful baby but try as I may I couldn't look down to see the gender. But the baby's face was girly-looking. I felt disappointed but consoled myself with the fact that dream-baby was really a beautiful healthy one.

The second dream was a bit more cruel : I just gave birth and my baby was taken to see if everything was okay. Then the midwife comes back with a cute blue bundle and tells me "Here's your little boy XXXXX". The first surge of happiness died down because the name was all wrong. My husband asks a question, the midwife seems surprised, looks down on the baby's bracelet and says : "OH I'm SO SORRY ! You're right, this is the son of the couple next door, the birth was at exactly the same time as yours ! Don't worry, we'll bring you your little girl asap !". I felt so crushed !

I had no dreams when pregnant with DD2 and the pregnancy felt very different. Even the first ultrasound, seeing her very strong heartbeat compared to that of her older sister, I wondered if it was a boy. Felt like it and everybody was telling me boy.

Imo, dreams and guesses can be right but they can be wrong too. Still wondering where is that blonde boy I saw so clearly in the first dream. For some time, I thought it meant I would conceive one in 2017. But DD2 happened in-between and we had to forget about TTC for a while.

Dreams I have found can be exceptionally cruel.

In late December of last year, very early January of this year while we waited on the PGS results from our first IVF cycle (where only 2 embryos had survived), I woke from the most vivid dream of my life, and it was of twin boys. I had every detail of labor (giving birth on all fours, though only remembering giving birth to one) before seeing them as small children. Two small blonde boys, one silent while the other told me, "You're our mommy!" I lived a whole early life with them. I woke from that dream with a feeling I don't know if I'll ever get back -- the only thing I think that could ever satisfy that feeling is to actually have my son. And there is always this ache for twin boys since then, too.

Our PGS results came back: 1 normal XX, 1 abnormal XY. Clearly weren't my twin boys. We said we'd immediately start another cycle, and waited for DH to return from an out of town trip. We were not TTC.

I accidentally got pregnant. And we found out it was twins essentially right as I lost them.

That dream, and that month, will forever haunt me. And while I have a friend who is very "in touch" with spiritual things point out that my dream happened right at the time I'm due with this baby now, and apparently there is a book about "spirit babies" reaching us in dreams and that was prophetic -- I just don't believe in any of that, especially not anymore. Especially when by that logic, this very vivid dream of a dark eyed/dair haired copy of my DD would imply that's my spiritual baby too, right? Sometimes I'll pity myself and think it's my already existing XX -- our healthy, frozen girl embryos I swore I would consider if I could just get my boy first. But I am definitely not one of those people who gives myself false hope ;) Based on atomic's rec, I am definitely someone who could go Team Green forever haha. I never actually think I'm going to get what I want.

Except I thought I would before the cycle I conceived this baby. I wonder where that feeling came from. It seems so far away and foreign now.

But I also had a dream that left me with immense peace a few weeks ago where I met my (also dark haired) son as a teenager. And that dream had a lot wrapped up in it, too (it was a recurring anxiety dream I have, only HE was in it and I was struck in the dream of, 'Oh, I'm breaking this dream cycle!').

I think this is the heartbroken atheist's (me) attempt to grasp any sort of control or foresight and I'm just left sad either way.

Lilawt
November 6th, 2018, 08:21 AM
Wow Throwaway, I have to say I actually look out for your posts. I find them so deep and thought provoking. You have such a way with words and I really like the way you write.

On another thread where you posted about your dreams I really agreed with another poster who said about our brains and dreams focusing on our deepest desires or fears.

GD and the pressure of swaying is so all consuming, it becomes such a huge focus when we are awake it is bound to creep in to our subconscious. Our emotions govern our behaviours.

I know you’re team green, when are you due? I wanted you to know that someone you don’t know, who’s on the other side of the world to you, is thinking of you. I am so rooting for you. More than I think I’ve wanted it for anyone else. You deserve that little boy, curly haired or blonde, I really think he’s coming.

Lil



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Sora
November 6th, 2018, 08:32 AM
Dreams I have found can be exceptionally cruel.

In late December of last year, very early January of this year while we waited on the PGS results from our first IVF cycle (where only 2 embryos had survived), I woke from the most vivid dream of my life, and it was of twin boys. I had every detail of labor (giving birth on all fours, though only remembering giving birth to one) before seeing them as small children. Two small blonde boys, one silent while the other told me, "You're our mommy!" I lived a whole early life with them. I woke from that dream with a feeling I don't know if I'll ever get back -- the only thing I think that could ever satisfy that feeling is to actually have my son. And there is always this ache for twin boys since then, too.

Our PGS results came back: 1 normal XX, 1 abnormal XY. Clearly weren't my twin boys. We said we'd immediately start another cycle, and waited for DH to return from an out of town trip. We were not TTC.

I accidentally got pregnant. And we found out it was twins essentially right as I lost them.

That dream, and that month, will forever haunt me. And while I have a friend who is very "in touch" with spiritual things point out that my dream happened right at the time I'm due with this baby now, and apparently there is a book about "spirit babies" reaching us in dreams and that was prophetic -- I just don't believe in any of that, especially not anymore. Especially when by that logic, this very vivid dream of a dark eyed/dair haired copy of my DD would imply that's my spiritual baby too, right? Sometimes I'll pity myself and think it's my already existing XX -- our healthy, frozen girl embryos I swore I would consider if I could just get my boy first. But I am definitely not one of those people who gives myself false hope ;) Based on atomic's rec, I am definitely someone who could go Team Green forever haha. I never actually think I'm going to get what I want.

Except I thought I would before the cycle I conceived this baby. I wonder where that feeling came from. It seems so far away and foreign now.

But I also had a dream that left me with immense peace a few weeks ago where I met my (also dark haired) son as a teenager. And that dream had a lot wrapped up in it, too (it was a recurring anxiety dream I have, only HE was in it and I was struck in the dream of, 'Oh, I'm breaking this dream cycle!').

I think this is the heartbroken atheist's (me) attempt to grasp any sort of control or foresight and I'm just left sad either way.

True enough and I hope for you you will get your son. I guess even when things are looking grim and with no hope of ever going back up one day, we humans try to grasp something, anything, be it a belief, a dream, a last attempt at whatever... yes, maybe just to get any sort of control on what's happenning, even more so when we feel wwe don't deserve it... Or it is just survival instinct, because the pain is very real, as real as a physical wound. Hm that makes me think... If I'm not mistaken, there were studies about negative feelings really hurting as much as a physical hit. Something like our brain sending the same kind of signals as when you are knifed or worse, crushed.

Throwaway_panther
December 6th, 2018, 06:59 AM
Wow Throwaway, I have to say I actually look out for your posts. I find them so deep and thought provoking. You have such a way with words and I really like the way you write.

On another thread where you posted about your dreams I really agreed with another poster who said about our brains and dreams focusing on our deepest desires or fears.

GD and the pressure of swaying is so all consuming, it becomes such a huge focus when we are awake it is bound to creep in to our subconscious. Our emotions govern our behaviours.

I know you’re team green, when are you due? I wanted you to know that someone you don’t know, who’s on the other side of the world to you, is thinking of you. I am so rooting for you. More than I think I’ve wanted it for anyone else. You deserve that little boy, curly haired or blonde, I really think he’s coming.

Lil



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I wanted to let you know since I never commented -- I really appreciate this comment and have reread it a few times. It means a ton that you like my writing too (it's my tool of the trade, and I've actually written about loss for some major baby blogs!). I'm due Jan. 1-3ish.

I appreciate the rooting. I hope all of you are right with your hopes, but I am already anticipating how to navigate the despair I'll feel from not getting my boy after all of this :(

Noemi2017
December 6th, 2018, 07:16 AM
Tp think of u and i still pray u will have a boy:pray:

nicoler
December 6th, 2018, 01:10 PM
You've been on my mind up in Canada as well. Hope you're feeling ok in your final weeks:happy:

Nell_
December 6th, 2018, 05:15 PM
Please don't despair, we are all rooting for you and just say this baby isn't your boy he will come! Could you try the ivf again? Or another baby? I so hope this is your baby boy I'm sure you're feeling anxious in the build up x

3boysalready
December 6th, 2018, 05:35 PM
Rooting for you here too! I know exactly how you feel (only opposite gender) and my heart aches for you. I hope so much this is your boy! But no matter what, for you and for me, we will love these precious little ones despite their gender. I’m glad you have another chance at it too it sounds like!


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Brey13
December 6th, 2018, 09:41 PM
Came across this as I am thinking of attempting a boy sway after 3 girls. I enjoy reading about your sway and conception also! I know that I would also be team green if we decided to try again. I would rather meet her than know she was in there and feel sad about it. I love all 3 of my daughters incredibly much, but too have had dreams of that boy. Good luck to you! Blue dust!

Throwaway_panther
December 7th, 2018, 04:25 AM
Please don't despair, we are all rooting for you and just say this baby isn't your boy he will come! Could you try the ivf again? Or another baby? I so hope this is your baby boy I'm sure you're feeling anxious in the build up x

IVF is completely out of the picture, we could never afford another cycle. Another baby is the only option, but DH has been doing even more girl friendly things and this pregnancy has been very difficult, so the future tries look a lot bleaker. There's also the reality that I couldn't weather more miscarriages.

Nell_
December 8th, 2018, 02:42 AM
IVF is completely out of the picture, we could never afford another cycle. Another baby is the only option, but DH has been doing even more girl friendly things and this pregnancy has been very difficult, so the future tries look a lot bleaker. There's also the reality that I couldn't weather more miscarriages.

Keeping everything crossed for you hun x

3rdbaby
December 14th, 2018, 07:20 AM
I am thinking of you too and understand how you feel but opposite gender. Have don two high tec cycles now for a girl and got both males (have two boys already). Keeping everything crossed for you xx


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LMSM
December 15th, 2018, 06:01 AM
Thinking of you TP :)

aira22
December 20th, 2018, 07:39 PM
Me too! I'm thinking of you and hoping for you to feel good in your last pregnancy days.

Georgia_Peach
December 20th, 2018, 08:46 PM
Jumping on here too as I keep coming back to check on you TP. Wondering if you have had your little one yet!?

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4blue2pink
December 21st, 2018, 05:32 AM
hope you are doing ok TP i keep looking out for an update from you :heart:

Sora
December 21st, 2018, 06:56 AM
We've got no news lately, hope you're doing okay TP. Maybe you're already giving birth. Fingers crossed for you and good luck.:fx::heart::LotsofLove:

Noemi2017
December 21st, 2018, 02:19 PM
Think of u TP too:hugs: let us know:LotsofLove:

Nell_
December 21st, 2018, 04:06 PM
When was she due, all rooting for blue!

Kelbear
December 21st, 2018, 04:07 PM
She was due early Jan. Have everything crossed she gets her little boy.

dreamofdaughter
December 21st, 2018, 04:35 PM
TP, congratulations and I am praying you get your little boy. Sending you loads and loads of blue dust. :)

Tali.kah
December 29th, 2018, 11:29 PM
Come on TP!! Update us :) blue dust all the way to you!!!!!!!!!!

Blushpinkbabyxx
December 31st, 2018, 01:04 PM
Checking for an update. I hope you get your boy Throwaway!! [emoji170]

Georgia_Peach
December 31st, 2018, 03:18 PM
Maybe it will be the first newyears baby!! [emoji3]

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Blue2
December 31st, 2018, 07:01 PM
Praying TP got her baby boy to kick off 2019 with loads of blue dust for everyone!!!

Nell_
December 31st, 2018, 07:20 PM
Hope you get your baby boy TP!! 💙

4blue2pink
January 1st, 2019, 05:45 PM
everything crossed for you TP!! :heart:

Throwaway_panther
January 12th, 2019, 07:56 AM
Baby was a girl afterall.

3boysalready
January 12th, 2019, 11:19 AM
Congratulations!! I know exactly how you feel. Just found out about my 5th boy! I hope you have been able to find some joy as I have.


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Sora
January 12th, 2019, 02:44 PM
Baby was a girl afterall.

Aww TP... Still congrats because a birth is a birth after all, especially with your history. :hug2::hug2::hug2:

2blue1pink
January 12th, 2019, 03:00 PM
I'm sorry it didn't go the way you wanted. DS3 was a sway opposite and we wouldn't trade him for anything now. <3 <3 <3

Congrats on the baby, I hope you have a very easy recovery and she fits just perfectly into your family as our Ds3 did. <3

Tali.kah
January 12th, 2019, 04:50 PM
Congrats TP!!!!!!!! I'm sorry the sway didn't go how you wanted but congrats on having and holding another precious baby in your arms!!! I've been nervously waiting for your news!!! You were so strong to go team green!!!! Hope your delivery and recovery were amazing !

Pbn3
January 12th, 2019, 05:02 PM
Congratulations TP! How are you coping? I hope you're able to update us soon on how you are and provide more details on your baby girl. This is not the outcome you were desiring but your dd now has a sister and a chance to experience that unbreakable sibling bond that having a same sex sibling can offer. Wishing you a speedy recovery and again, when you're able, please open us to us all here. You have quite the following, I think everyone admires your openness and honesty about your struggles with GD as you will often address the more brutal feelings and emotions that many would experience but are too afraid to admit. You are a warrior and a fighter and you will get through this. So many hugs and well wishes to you and family and I cannot wait to hear more about your beautiful new addition [emoji173]

Edit: I just read your update on your dd group thread.

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Bluedust
January 15th, 2019, 08:52 PM
Just wanted to say congratulations on your new baby girl. I see its a sway opposite. I just wanted to say i have 2 daughters they are aged 11 and soon to be 9. We watch them play, talk, laugh, cry, fight together with my husband and trust me even though back then we were hoping dd2 will be a boy we feel so blessed now they are both girls. They are like best friends im so happy for them to have each other. They watch the same shows, they want to play the same games, they just understand each other dont get me wrong they do have their girl fights but i am so happy they are both girls and have each other. Its school holidays here and not once they wanted to go somewhere or said they are bored they are enough for each other as friends.
A few years later from now when you start to see their special bond you will feel the same too xx

The Anchor
January 24th, 2019, 02:32 PM
Oh no tp, I'm so sorry. I hope you are able to find peace somehow. There was me and 3 sisters growing up, it really is a special bond, we're so close today. HUGS.