Egg Whites - Success, Miscarriage or Failure to get pg

[Demeter]

Of those who have used eggwhites in ttc a boy, I am wondering how many of you had a successful pregnancy, miscarriage or just didn't get pg or a combination of both.

[rainbowflower]

I can't see why it would cause miscarriage...? the egg white would probably stay outside your cervix. A conception would happen far up in your tubes, so the swimmers would have long left the egg white.

most MCs are caused by a genetic problem that happens during the conception, or by failing to implant properly, and unfortunately 25% of all pregnancies will fail for one reason or another

[Frenchesca]

We used egg whites and had a successful pregnancy. :)

[My Fabulous Children]

All of the above for me ..I used EW's and had a successful pregnancy ..and I used it again and I had a m/c. I also used it many times, but I didn't get pg.

[Demeter]

I can't see why it would cause miscarriage...? the egg white would probably stay outside your cervix. A conception would happen far up in your tubes, so the swimmers would have long left the egg white.

most MCs are caused by a genetic problem that happens during the conception, or by failing to implant properly, and unfortunately 25% of all pregnancies will fail for one reason or another

I was just wondering because I remembered a couple of women on separate sites that said they had a miscarriage on the cycle they used eggwhites. It made me curious because I got pg in September probably from a pullout several days before ovulation when we weren't trying & I have a history of sub/infertility. However, I did mess around with eggwhite on ovulation day that cycle for experimentation purposes of testing ph, not for bding. I was just wondering if the eggwhite can give old, imperfect sperm that would not normally make it to "heaven" a free pass. It's just a thought because of my unlikely pregnancy that led to miscarriage. I'm not concerned about the eggwhite going beyond my cervix.

[CapricornAquarius]

My instinct with e/w was just not 2 use it, we dtd in August with e/w & I just had a feeling that I wouldnt fall pregnant cause the ph was through the roof, so when we dtd in Oct I decided to only use preseed instead & I fell pregnant.

I think some women dont fall pregnant because of e/w, some eggs have a higher ph then other eggs, so this is a worry, but in regards to m/c not sure about that.

[atomic sagebrush]

First of all, FABULOUS idea for a poll. I am not a fan of eggwhites so interested to hear results - I'll sticky this for awhile so we can get a lot of responses.


I was just wondering because I remembered a couple of women on separate sites that said they had a miscarriage on the cycle they used eggwhites. It made me curious because I got pg in September probably from a pullout several days before ovulation when we weren't trying & I have a history of sub/infertility. However, I did mess around with eggwhite on ovulation day that cycle for experimentation purposes of testing ph, not for bding. I was just wondering if the eggwhite can give old, imperfect sperm that would not normally make it to "heaven" a free pass. It's just a thought because of my unlikely pregnancy that led to miscarriage. I'm not concerned about the eggwhite going beyond my cervix.

I would not discount that idea TBH because I suspect that the low pH of the vagina may weed some weak/bad sperm out and if you buffer that by using egg white, it does not seem beyond the realm of reason that some sperm that may otherwise not have survived, could possibly make it to the safety of the crypts. BUT if you used it AFTER the sperm had been onscene for several days, there is no way that could have happened because by the time O day rolled around, the sperm were gone up inside chasing the egg, and could not have been affected by the egg white at that point.

My actual concern with egg white and miscarriage is that your vaginal pH is 4.5 for a REASON - to prevent hostile organisms from overgrowing in your VJ and then invading your uterus and fallopian tubes. You start messing with that and shooting things that are MUCH higher in pH than what semen and CM are naturally like egg white is (Preseed is the same pH as semen/EW and so is safer to my mind than EW), I think you invite organisms to breed in that higher pH. This is especially true at ovulation when your cervix is more open than it is otherwise and the EWCM also being higher in pH, could make it easier for microorgansims to spread inside as well.

Doctors really do not fully understand the reasons why the majority of mc take place. It seeems possible that slight infections could cause some % of miscarriages and so why invite infection? Eggs are such good mediums for growing microorganisms that they grow vaccines in them.

Yes, some doctors tell people to use egg whites and it's in TCYOF and other "natural" fertility books, but I believe that has much more to do with the fact that eggs are easily accessible, cheap, and "natural" which some people prefer.

I personally believe Preseed is way safer and it also doesn't just fall out carrying sperm with it like egg whites do for some people.

[LolaInLove]

Holy moly, I hated using ew! Not to be discouraging either, but I used them for the first 4 months we ttc and did not get pg. Then, the month I didn't use them, we did (although a chemical m/c). I totally agree with everything Atomic said here.....just too messy, too much, too hard to control/monitor the ph, too much risk of infection. I like preseed WAYYYYY better for all of those reasons. And let me tell you what happens after you start dtd with egg whites in your vag: the friction makes a nice frothy mess that you could fold into some souffles. It is just gross.

[hmskl4]

This 1 month we used ew we had a BO (blighted Ovum). I was Oing the night we bd and used ew's. The e/w I used had a PH of 9, so I went w/ it.

Used preseed and all the other sway attempts for Dh and I and still got a girl, so I decided to do ew's. Still undecided on what to do for our TTC...

[atomic sagebrush]

(((hugs)))

hmsk14 have you read this essay?You "can't" carry a baby of that gender!!! (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?824-You-quot-can-t-quot-carry-a-baby-of-that-gender) Hope you get good news at your testing.

[hmskl4]

Thank you Atomic :)

Not to hijack the thread but I just talked to my mom who said that her mom had 6 girls 1 boy and several losses, I know several if not all of them were boys, not sure what my great grandmother had (I'll have to ask my mom again) but my great aunt had 5 boys and 1 girl (my grandmother's sister), not sure what to make of that. My mom had 2 girls and was pg a third time but aborted :( . I have 1 mentally challenged cousin (male) and 1 mentally challenged great Aunt. Guess I'll sit down tonight and make up a list of males/females as far back as I can go on my moms side. I seem to be following my grandmother's footsteps in the fact that her 2nd child was a boy and so is mine and her 1st 2 (a girl and boy) was from a different father from the rest of her children as is mine (mine are g, b, g, g, g, g).

Guess I'll get w/ DH and get that testing done this wk (I was kind of dragging my feet).

[LolaInLove]

Good luck, hmskl4....hope everything turns out a-ok.

[atomic sagebrush]

:pray: that you get good news and it's all just a coincidence, but I do think it's an excellent idea that you do so.

If you DO have an X-Linked condition you may qualify for Microsort and your insurance may even pay for PGD so it is a good thing to know. :heart:

[Yahmama]

This question is one of the reasons we decided not to do the e/w with our attempt! I heard so many people getting BFN's or were having chemicals and/or m/c! I haven't clicked to view results yet, but I'm glad you posed this question!

[Hobbermittens]

I'm bumping this to see if we can get more responses. I am really curious about this myself... I have so far had 2 months of BFNs after using EW. I am also older, and it may take me longer to get pregnant anyway, but I had hoped that I could use the EW, but now I am starting to get nervous about running out of time, and I am trying to decide if I should just use Pre-seed instead on my next attempt in a few weeks...

[Zivic-Bubac]

I used EW this cycle and got pg. But I used it 5-6 times in the past and didn't get pg. You've got me a bit scared with m/c stories :worry:

[LolaInLove]

I just think Preseed is better due to it's being the same ph as semen. I didn't know you were still rocking the ew, Z! Don't worry about the m/c stuff......you know so many m/c happen all the time and there is not a link between anything causing it (to my knowledge). ALL WILL BE FINE!

[atomic sagebrush]

I used EW this cycle and got pg. But I used it 5-6 times in the past and didn't get pg. You've got me a bit scared with m/c stories :worry:

Don't worry, tons of women have used it without m/c!!! Good luck!!!

[Hobbermittens]

I am still trying to decide what to do here. We have our first attempt of this cycle tonight, and I am still on the fence... EW or preseed?? I wish there was only one option!

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck Hobber!!

[Hobbermittens]

Good luck Hobber!!

Thanks, Atomic! I am just worried that whichever I choose will be the wrong choice. I just want to get pregnant with a baby boy NOW!

[LolaInLove]

Either are great for a boy, so go with what you feel more comfortable with! FXFXFX!!!!

[Foxy]

I used EW and had a mc.

[girlmom]

i used it and got twin girls

[zanacal]

Hobber - if you're planning several attempts as per your other thread, why not alternate between EW and Pre seed?! That way you'll never know which you used with the sperm you conceive with and you can't have any regrets!!!

[Hobbermittens]

Hobber - if you're planning several attempts as per your other thread, why not alternate between EW and Pre seed?! That way you'll never know which you used with the sperm you conceive with and you can't have any regrets!!!

Well, I explained this on my other thread, but I worry that the EW may have hindered my getting pregnant in the past few cycles. I am afraid that if I alternate it and preseed, then the preseed might work and the EW won't, and it would cause me to have a cut off even if I don't want one. Does that make sense? Thanks for the suggestion, though. :)

[zanacal]

It does and it serves me right for butting in when I haven't read everything else! Good luck!

[atomic sagebrush]

This is a pretty awesome thread - experiences all over the map!!

[Hobbermittens]

It does and it serves me right for butting in when I haven't read everything else! Good luck!

You were fine! :) I love when you "butt in"--you have good suggestions, plus you have boys, so I think you might know stuff I don't about TTC :wink:

[Flava]

I used it for ttc boy and got a girl. Also had more then 1 m/c with it.
Not using it anymore.

[atomic sagebrush]

I did not want to post this till I heard back from the person this happened to but I've just heard a very disturbing report about someone from IG who may have used room temperature egg whites while swaying blue (they did MSU) and got a very rare salmonella infection in their IUD (docs said their IUD was crawling with salmonella) that ate thru their uterus, went into their spine and infected their brain - they were in a coma for days and almost died. I have not been able to contact this person to verify whether they did in fact use egg whites or not but until I know definitively I really, really am not wanting people to use egg whites (or use pasteurized egg whites only IF YOU MUST and whatever you do, DO NOT LEAVE STOREBOUGHT EGGS AT ROOM TEMPERATURE at all ever because the washing process forces the salmonella thru the eggshell and into the egg itself where salmonella can grow).

The egg white may not have had anything to do with it, but the only way the doctors can explain it otherwise is that this person had a salmonella poisoning in their intestines that they didn't even notice (unlikely because salmonella is usually quite severe and noticeable) and then wiped back to front and somehow that managed to infiltrate their entire repro tract (even more unlikely). I have been doing research and horses, cows, guinea pigs, and sheep are known to get salmonella infections in their uteruses that are proven to cause miscarriage and I also read about a woman who got an infection in fibroids (at least 50% of all women have fibroids) from salmonella and had to have a hysterectomy.

[Hobbermittens]

YUCK! That is scary stuff, atomic! Thanks for letting us know!! On another note, I wonder why she had an IUD in if she was swaying?

[atomic sagebrush]

She wasn't swaying, this happened 2 years later!!! My concern is that she had colonized her repro tract with a big dose of salmonella back when she was swaying, some of it stayed alive all that time, she got her IUD put in, and then the salmonella got the opportunity to start growing on the IUD and then caused the infection. That makes a heck of a lot more sense to me than asymptomatic salmonella poisoning and wiping back to front does.

Obviously a very rare chain of events that I doubt would be repeated BUT my concern is more that now we KNOW for a fact that the human uterus can be infected with large amounts of salmonella bacteria and also that salmonella bacteria can cause miscarriages in several other mammals - not a good combo.

[Foxy]

This story has me really worried. So scary! I agree with you Atomic, that it most likely is the egg whites that caused this and not the wiping back to front. I can't remember when she got her IUD in after she had her son?

[Hobbermittens]

That scares me more to think it happened that much later!! I assumed I was fine because I used the EW a few months ago with no issues (I used it in October and December). I am getting my doctor to test me next visit. I never told him about the egg whites, and I am sure he will give me a hard time about it. But I don't want that happening to me!!

[atomic sagebrush]

This story has me really worried. So scary! I agree with you Atomic, that it most likely is the egg whites that caused this and not the wiping back to front. I can't remember when she got her IUD in after she had her son?

I don't know and she and I are not friendly either so I was hoping someone who knew more might chime in. It may have been that the IUD could even have been in place for some time and then she just got run down and the infection took over.

It may very well be she didn't even USE egg whites, but at the same time I'm still really scared by this because now we totally KNOW that salmonella can infect the VJ and uterus and cause serious issues. It's almost scarier if she DIDN'T use egg whites because that would mean even a tiny amount of salmonella could cause something like this to happen, KWIM?? If something like this could happen just from wiping wrong, then I seriously don't want ANYONE using egg whites (esp. that have been left at room temperature!!)

Plus now that I started to look into it and found the info about the salmonella-related miscarriage and the lady with the salmonella-infected fibroid...I'm just feeling really wary about the egg whites right now.

[atomic sagebrush]

That scares me more to think it happened that much later!! I assumed I was fine because I used the EW a few months ago with no issues (I used it in October and December). I am getting my doctor to test me next visit. I never told him about the egg whites, and I am sure he will give me a hard time about it. But I don't want that happening to me!!

Let me know what he says Hobber. I'm going to ask my doc about it too and may even start a thread for Dr. P to chime in on.

[zanacal]

Wow, that is scary. It seems sensible to stick with things that are meant to be put up 'there' anyway, even more so with this information.

[Foxy]

I don't know and she and I are not friendly either so I was hoping someone who knew more might chime in. It may have been that the IUD could even have been in place for some time and then she just got run down and the infection took over.

It may very well be she didn't even USE egg whites, but at the same time I'm still really scared by this because now we totally KNOW that salmonella can infect the VJ and uterus and cause serious issues. It's almost scarier if she DIDN'T use egg whites because that would mean even a tiny amount of salmonella could cause something like this to happen, KWIM?? If something like this could happen just from wiping wrong, then I seriously don't want ANYONE using egg whites (esp. that have been left at room temperature!!)

Plus now that I started to look into it and found the info about the salmonella-related miscarriage and the lady with the salmonella-infected fibroid...I'm just feeling really wary about the egg whites right now.

I sent her a message. I'll let you know what she says. I can't help feeling the infection came from the EW. It could have been lingering in there for a long time and like you said when she got run down, the infection took over. It just seem so far fetched with the wiping thing IYKWIM?

[atomic sagebrush]

I totally agree foxy. That's even what made me think that it might have been swaying related, I was at the grocery store thinking about how stupid the doctor was to even suggest such a thing (thinking it was more likely the IUD was contaminated to begin with, which honestly also seems kinda unlikely really) and then I realized, "OMG the egg whites."

[Foxy]

Atomic, she had her IUD in 2 months after she had her son, which was about 2.5 years ago.

[Flava]

This is so scary Im happy we did not use EW anymore! Do I know this lady is she from IG?

[Foxy]

She is from IG, Flava. She was in the Blue Crew.

[Hobbermittens]

Foxy, did you hear back yet? Did she confirm that her infection was from the EW??

[Foxy]

Hobbermittens, her doctor thinks it's from wiping back to front. It just don't make sense to me. I don't know if she asked her doctor about the EW. Forgot to ask her about that.

ETA - She never mentioned she used egg whites, but is seeing her doc the first week of April and is going to mention it to him then.

[Flava]

Oh Im sorry for her! Some one tell me who is she plz?
I don't know why the doc think it's from wiping ?Unless she told the doc she do that?but if not then I don't think so.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, she had her IUD in 2 months after she had her son, which was about 2.5 years ago.

That still doesn't mean that it wasn't caused by the egg whites. It could have been living up in there for a long time and her body was keeping it in check, and then she got run down or the bacteria just built up such a population that it overwhelmed the body's defenses.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hobbermittens, her doctor thinks it's from wiping back to front. It just don't make sense to me. I don't know if she asked her doctor about the EW. Forgot to ask her about that.

ETA - She never mentioned she used egg whites, but is seeing her doc the first week of April and is going to mention it to him then.

Thanks for this update! Honestly, even if is IS wiping wrong (which I'm sorry I find that completely ludicrous and even more so that the doctor suggested she had salmonella poisoning and just somehow missed it) that's even SCARIER to me because that means a TINY amount of salmonella can get up inside all the way from outside the VJ and into the uterus and cause problems - I mean people are shooting whole entire egg whites up inside to their cervix (at ovulation, right when the cervix is wide open) that they left AT ROOM TEMPERATURE for days!

The FDA estimates that 142,000 people get salmonella in eggs every single year - that's a heck of a lot of eggs out there with salmonella in them and leaving them at room temp just means the bacteria can grow! It's like a big bacteria bomb right when your cervix is open, your pH is at its highest due to ovulation, and you're TTC so a baby may soon be on board. Other mammals are def. having miscarriages caused by salmonella and it does not seem like much of a stretch at ALL to think that could happen to humans.

My point is NOT necessarily that OMG we are all going to have this problem happen because I suspect it's a very rare chain of events that will never occur again. My point is that hey, we have undeniable evidence that salmonella CAN infect the human uterus, whether it was able to live in there for 3 years or got in there from cross contamination or whatever we know for a fact that it can live up inside there, so maybe it's time to stop the egg white business because the risks may just be too high!

[atomic sagebrush]

Foxy, did you hear back yet? Did she confirm that her infection was from the EW??

There will never be any way to confirm it at this point.

Not to belabor a point, but please understand that I'm not saying that this means that everyone who used egg whites is going to get some rampant infection months or years later, or even that Bobbi's infection was 100% for sure caused by EW because we will never know. I'm just highly concerned because we have hard evidence that salmonella can live inside the human uterus (no matter how it got there) in at least two cases one of whom is a person we actually KNOW. And since we also know that salmonella causes miscarriage in many mammals, maybe it's not the greatest idea ever to sway using unpasteurized egg whites, esp. after having left them at room temps for many days.

[strawbell]

Old post I know but I used egg white and had a miscarriage

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you Strawbell! I like keeping these threads open and going indefinitely so we have the info all together rather than in dozens of threads.

I'm sorry for your loss. :(

[Mae]

I work in epidemiology and most cases of salmonella are not from eggs at all. Surprisingly, dirt is the most common culprit! Scary--that's why children get it more often, from crawling around on the ground then touching their mouths/eyes. And as crazy as it sounds wiping front to back is a very real way to spread disease into your urinary tract and repo tract. It could very well be the ew, although after 2.5 years I think it's unlikely. What a horrible and scary thing that happened to her, I hope she is fully recovered. ..

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for the info!

Please understand, I'm not even saying that it was or wasn't the egg white (I also think it's somewhat unlikely after 2.5 years but you never know.) It's that this is proof that salmonella can 100% infect your uterus and has been known to cause miscarriage, so given this, it's best to avoid the egg whites since Preseed is more sanitary anyway.

Some of the sites have people leaving eggs on the kitchen countertop for weeks before using.

Yes, she's all better and up to her same old tricks LOL.

[Mae]

Oh I know I know:). I'm so happy she's better, that is really scary. Wouldn't eggs start to smell after a couple weeks on the counter?? lol:eek:

[atomic sagebrush]

Apparently, they don't smell as long as they aren't cracked or old, and actually if they haven't been washed, they're allegedly safe for a while at room temp (eggs have a kind of coating on them that keeps bacteria from permeating the shell.) But most eggs people get have been washed, even farm eggs are usually washed, and the washing process can wash off this coating and also force bacteria through tiny pores on the shell. Then, the egg sits for a week "to raise pH" and the bacteria can grow.

[BeadinMom]

I cringe every time I read something on that other site about incubating and then inserting egg whites. Certainly seems like warming them up would invite bacteria growth.

There's a big difference between pelvic inflammatory disease and a UTI. A PID can leave you sterile.
And with a UTI, they can do a culture and sensitivity to see if it's e coli (from wiping incorrectly) or salmonella (which is rarely found in UTIs) or some other bacteria.