Rephresh, Aci Jel, Zyrtec, Bendryl, and PH! :)

[babydust]

Hi girls!

So I have some question about when and how to use these products.

1) Can I use a 1/2 application of rephresh 12 hours before bd and then do a finger aci jel (or replens), ONE hour before bd?

2) 5 min after we dtd, I was planning to do a finger aci jel (or replens) at entrance of V, and then do this every 30 min. for the next 4 hours. Then put in some more rephresh at entrance of V. It may not be necessary but I would like to try it. Will using the rephresh and aci jel/replens so close together cause a pH spike or is it ok? I remember when some people use rephresh as a lube and then finger aci jel or finger replens right after.

3) If I have to make more than one attempt before my cut off, can I do the 1/2 application of rephresh 12 hours before we dtd each night?

4) Can I take Zyrtec ONE hour before we dtd? And then possibly Bendryl later that night if I need it?



Thanks so much!

[babydust]

wow, sorry for all the animations, couldn't help it, they're so fun!! ;)

[chachamama]

Going to chime in here since you are talking about Rephresh.. is this the stuff I want??

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Also, I don't have any way of checking my pH.. has anyone used Rephresh and it caused their pH to *increase*??

[babydust]

Good question!! I think women have used rephresh and it caused pH to rise at FIRST. But then the balancing act comes in and everything is good :). That's why you shouldn't use rephresh with an O + 12, only with cut off. WIth O + 12 the egg is right there, so no room for error. It's too stressful for me anyway, relying only on PH and it's hard to figure out (for me at least).

What you have posted is replens...can be used instead of aci jel if you want. Rephresh is different. Replens is used as a finger replens...just a finger tip amount up to cervix. Rephresh can be use as 1/2 application or a whole application 12 hours before you dtd to help keep pH balanced to 4.5 when it mixes with cm, semen, ect ect. The effect is supposed to last 3 days.

I'm still concerned with the 4 hours after bd and the cut off until O time. I know it probably doesn't matter, but I can't help it. Been ingrained in me for many many years! haha. Soooo, after I dtd, will use a finger aci jel at entrance of V, to get PH down quickly. Will do it every 30 min for the next 4 hours. After that I plan to use the rest of the rephresh (1/2 application) and insert just at entrance of V to hopefully keep pH down throughout the night. Will check pH and lower with aci jel as needed from cut off through O.

IF I can't seem to get pH down (like last time) then, and ONLY then will I do a small amount of lime douche (.13 mL's). But hope the rephresh works and I don't have to worry about it.

hope that made sense!

[chachamama]

Oops! Didn't even realize that was Replens.. duh! So this is what I want, right?
How many will I want for each sway... is one box/month enough?

http://www.amazon.com/RepHresh-Vaginal-Gel-Prefilled-Applicators/dp/B0011WYO26/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

I have Acijel, but have no way to test my pH (and I'm not sure I want to obsess about pH either.. torn on this one) so I'm wondering if I should use it or not, since I don' tknow what it will do to my pH....

[atomic sagebrush]

1)yes
2)not necessary because sperm is gone from VJ by then, but whatevs, won't hurt. We tested RepHresh with Sylk, Acijel, and Replens and it did not make pH spike.
3)yes
4)I think you should take the Zyrtec at least 4-6 hours before your attempt. Zytrec takes a little while to get rolling. Benadryl you can take 1 hour before.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oops! Didn't even realize that was Replens.. duh! So this is what I want, right?
How many will I want for each sway... is one box/month enough?

http://www.amazon.com/RepHresh-Vaginal-Gel-Prefilled-Applicators/dp/B0011WYO26/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

I have Acijel, but have no way to test my pH (and I'm not sure I want to obsess about pH either.. torn on this one) so I'm wondering if I should use it or not, since I don' tknow what it will do to my pH....

The RepHresh WILL lower pH and unlike Acijel, Replens, and Sylk, it can't cause a pH backlash because it keeps reacting with everything your body throws at it to bring pH down. With Acijel, Replens and Sylk, if your body doesn't "like" having it in there, it starts churning out the CM to wash it away and the jellies get diluted and your pH goes up. RepHresh actually chemically reacts with your CM so the pH of it goes down too.

[atomic sagebrush]

Going to chime in here since you are talking about Rephresh.. is this the stuff I want??

Amazon.com: Replens Long-lasting Vaginal Moisturizer With Reusable Applicator, 35-gram Tubes (Pack of 2): Health & Personal Care (http://www.amazon.com/Replens-Long-lasting-Moisturizer-Reusable-Applicator/dp/B001GAOGUI/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1324487456&sr=8-10)

Also, I don't have any way of checking my pH.. has anyone used Rephresh and it caused their pH to *increase*??

NO, RepHresh does not and actually CANNOT cause your pH to increase. The sole reason why IG makes this claim is because the person who wrote the IG FAQ did not understand what a reactive lube is and has very wrong information in the FAQ that everyone uses.

RepHresh is a reactive jelly designed to bring everything it comes into contact with to pH of 4.5-5. So if something high in pH mixes with the RepHresh (like semen or CM) the RepHresh causes a chemical reaction that then lowers the pH to 4.5-5. If more semen or CM shows up, the RepHresh will bring the pH down again - it doesn't get "averaged out" in the same way that Acijel, Sylk and Replens can - where the pH will be an average of the pH of the jelly and the pH of the semen/CM - because the RepHresh actually reacts with the semen/CM to lower their pH. (altho it can get washed away and diluted over time, of course.)

The downside of the reactive jelly is if something low in pH (like lime douche) contacts the Rephresh, the RepHresh will raise the pH. There is no point or benefit to doing lime douche with REpHresh because that could potentially make pH go up a bit (altho we have not tested this) and it is well within the realm of reason that anyone on IG who claimed their pH went up with RepHresh, may have been mixing it with lime since that is what the advice on IG is all about. We have been having good results with RepHresh not making pH spike and it seems to be working very well for us. We have tested RepHresh with Acijel, Sylk, and Replens and it kept pH stable, did not go up or down. We also tested RepHresh in a shot glass with semen and it lowered the semen pH instantly. If you use RepHresh and take your pH and it is still high, use some more RepHresh if you're very concerned about it.

[babydust]

Excellent!! I will trust in the refresh to work. I will use a full app every 3 days from end of Af until day before I think I am o.'ing. Up to cervix right?

After I dtd I will check ph gently and maybe put in a bit of rep lens or a if it's very high. Just for peace of mind! Haha. Good to know that it won't do much harm. Will check once or twice. Won't go crazy as I don't wanna up my T levels. And won't use the hannah tester, too stressful!! Just ph strips.

Good to know bout tue zyrtec. Will take it around 4 hours before attempt or that morning.

Thanks atomic!!!!

[babydust]

Oh and I will do the 1/2 application of refresh before my attempt. Even if I end up doing frequent bd of 2 or 3 days. It's only a 1/2 app so it should be fine. Just won't do the full app in the am. That would be too much.

And I will do the finger rep lens or acijel one hour before attempt.

[babydust]

Oh and I'm glad to see that u girls have tested rephresh with aci jel rep lens and sylk. And found to spike in ph. Awesome! Puts my mind at ease. And how cool that u thought of putting sperm in a shot glass and putting refresh in there with it.! And it lowered ph. Nice. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm sure that's a typo, but we found NO SPIKE in pH using Rephresh with Acijel, sylk, and Replens.

[wilma_five]

Just wondering why are you doing a replens finger before attempt? Why not a tiny bit of rephresh 1 hour before attempt?

[atomic sagebrush]

Wilma, I think some people like to mix and match the Rephresh which is longer acting, with something that is quite low in pH like Acijel, Replens, Sylk but doens't last as long. There is no right or wrong way to do it.

[wilma_five]

Thanks for your reply atomic!! Your point of view is great!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks wilma!

You should blog about your experience with genderconsult if you ahve the time!! A lot of people would find it very interesting.

[wilma_five]

I know......I would like to do that but I have to pay al lot of money when I leak info regarding the diet......:(

[atomic sagebrush]

Ah, got it! You wouldn't need to reveal any secrets of course and that was NOT my intent in asking you.

LOL and people think I'm being weird making my diet for Dream Members only! ;)

[starflower]

Great thread, very helpful information! Just a question, if you were to use say 1/2 applicator full of Rephresh a few hours before DTD (say 3 days before O) and the DTD every day through O, the theory is that you should not need to use it again because it last for 3 days, correct? Also, if you do develop a ph spike around O is it safe to use a full applicator full if your pf is say 7?
Also, if you develop a ph spike around O time, is there any point in taking Sudafed or Benadryl at this time or is there no point at this late stage?

[rainbowflower]

I used a full applicator - the amount of a full applicator isn't massive anyway, and it's very hard to only squeeze half out. If using RepHresh you shouldn't get a pH spike (that you'd be able to detect anyway)

As for drying up CM, it would probably be fine but a lot of people try to avoid it at OV day because there might be a risk of ectopics that way.

[atomic sagebrush]

Great thread, very helpful information! Just a question, if you were to use say 1/2 applicator full of Rephresh a few hours before DTD (say 3 days before O) and the DTD every day through O, the theory is that you should not need to use it again because it last for 3 days, correct? Also, if you do develop a ph spike around O is it safe to use a full applicator full if your pf is say 7?
Also, if you develop a ph spike around O time, is there any point in taking Sudafed or Benadryl at this time or is there no point at this late stage?

RepHresh keeps working for three days but it can get diluted by frequent BD and get less effective over time, and you might want to add more. An applicator full is way too much tho, that will kill any sperm in the VJ! I would stick with a half applicator and I would do it 6-12 hours before BD, not right before.

First of all, don't take Sudafed because it has horrible side effects and is not safe. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/7086-how-lower-ph-via-supps-cran-baby-aspirin-aspartame-other-techniques.html Secondly, a lot of us are not doing the antihistamine at any point when the egg could be present because we don't truly know the effect that antihistamine will have - does the egg need fluid to move thru? Could beling too dry harm the egg or even worse, harm a fertilized egg? We don't know, and since Zyrtec 100% for sure seems to kind of still work the day after you take it, being conservative I would say that you should not take it on O day.

The sperm leaves the vagina very quickly after BD and ESPECIALLY at O time, is quickly out of reach of anything you stick into your vagina. I know this is not what they believe on IG but there is no way that the pH of things you put into your VJ (like a fingertip of Acijel - really??) can possibly infiltrate up thru the cervix, thru the uterus, and all the way into the Fallopian tubes where the egg will be fertilized, any more than a fingertip of baking soda on your tongue can change the pH of your stomach acid. Your body WANTS to have higher pH at O and it may be that we need to respect that a little bit, because we can't change it anyway - your body keeps churning out that EWCM because it knows you need it to conceive.

In fact, it may even be that pH spikes are being CAUSED by low pH douche and jelly - your body wants to wash that stuff away!!