New thread, hope and beginnings

[Joyjoy88]

Hello all. Thought I will start a new thread to document my TTC journey. I joined this forum since Aug 2018 and got my BFP in Oct but unfortunately miscarried. Decided to take a two-month break and start TTC again in Jan 2019.

Background
I have a 4 year old daughter and had two miscarriages last year and this Oct.

Currently taking :-
Multivitamins
Probiotics
Fish oil(every alternate day)

Husband is taking Multivitamins, probiotics and fish oil

I run every alternate day and do some yoga at night just to keep my sanity. And hb occasionally works out as well. We don't really drink alcohol or take coffee.

Lastly, I would like to personally thank Atomic for all the tips and guidance she has provided so far ! Hope 2019 will be a better year for all of us TTC ladies out there!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Joy! Thank you so much!!

Please let me know how I can help! Everything is looking great! We have a nice big batch of blue swayers right now!! Hoping for lots of blue in 2019!

[Joyjoy88]

Thank you.

Oh yes. Is it ok for my DH to drink peppermint tea. He suddenly likes to drink it. Lol.

[atomic sagebrush]

No that sways pink! AAA I'm glad you asked! I have men drink that for GIRLS!

[Blue2]

Hi @atomic! Taking to this thread to follow-up from my chat question... here is my current situation:

- HE diet since beginning of Dec
- tracked BBT/CM/OPK
- Ava bracelet predicted Saturday 12/1 O day
- TTC then but AF arrived mid-Dec
- tracked BBT/CM/OPK after AF
- Ava predicted Saturday 12/29 as O day
- positive CBED OPK test Friday night
- BD Saturday 12/29 @ 8pm
- BD Monday 12/31 @ noon
- *going to* BD Monday 12/31 @ 8pm

Thoughts on my blue sway attempt? Did I blow it by missing BD Sunday?? Like a number of other swayers, I am manic during O time frame attempts

[Blue2]

@joy sorry, just realized I hijacked your thread!!! Mistook this for a general "new hope, new beginnings" thread based on the title. Sorry again!

It looks like we are both trying for blue this month - eek!! Best of luck to you :)

[Joyjoy88]

No that sways pink! AAA I'm glad you asked! I have men drink that for GIRLS!

Phew luckily I asked. I had a funny feeling about the tea. Haha thank God he only took like two cups so far. Shouldn't impact anything I hope. Anyway what kind of tea should he take ? He is suddenly into teas. Haha

BTW happy new year. !!

[Joyjoy88]

@joy sorry, just realized I hijacked your thread!!! Mistook this for a general "new hope, new beginnings" thread based on the title. Sorry again!

It looks like we are both trying for blue this month - eek!! Best of luck to you :)

Haha no worries. Hope we get our blue baby soon.

[atomic sagebrush]

Phew luckily I asked. I had a funny feeling about the tea. Haha thank God he only took like two cups so far. Shouldn't impact anything I hope. Anyway what kind of tea should he take ? He is suddenly into teas. Haha

BTW happy new year. !!

Green or black teas are great. But any kind of herb tea is ok provided he has it no more than 2-3 days a week. So he can get several kinds and have different ones on different days or whatever - just not enough of any one kind to have any medicinal effect. He should def. avoid or limit mints and licorice (and they slip licorice and mint into LOTS of tea blends so keep your eyes peeled for that)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi @atomic! Taking to this thread to follow-up from my chat question... here is my current situation:

- HE diet since beginning of Dec
- tracked BBT/CM/OPK
- Ava bracelet predicted Saturday 12/1 O day
- TTC then but AF arrived mid-Dec
- tracked BBT/CM/OPK after AF
- Ava predicted Saturday 12/29 as O day
- positive CBED OPK test Friday night
- BD Saturday 12/29 @ 8pm
- BD Monday 12/31 @ noon
- *going to* BD Monday 12/31 @ 8pm

Thoughts on my blue sway attempt? Did I blow it by missing BD Sunday?? Like a number of other swayers, I am manic during O time frame attempts

I would have like to see 2 attempts either Fri or Saturday and a Sun attempt if possible. But remember it's not a dealbreaker the diet is the most important aspect anyway.

[Blue2]

Thanks atomic! I have been unintentionally on HE with the holiday break (my mum likes to overfeed us). I got my Ava bracelet back yesterday & wore it last night, even with the 3 night gap in data I recognize my usual dip then sharp rise pattern so I am think CD16-CD19 was my peak window and we BD twice in it

Am kicking myself for missing BD on Sunday. Ugh. At least Saturday night + Monday morning are better than just one poorly timed BD...


I would have like to see 2 attempts either Fri or Saturday and a Sun attempt if possible. But remember it's not a dealbreaker the diet is the most important aspect anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

Don't kick yourself, you can still get a boy! Good luck and blue dust!

[Joyjoy88]

Green or black teas are great. But any kind of herb tea is ok provided he has it no more than 2-3 days a week. So he can get several kinds and have different ones on different days or whatever - just not enough of any one kind to have any medicinal effect. He should def. avoid or limit mints and licorice (and they slip licorice and mint into LOTS of tea blends so keep your eyes peeled for that)

ok will get him green tea. My BD marathon will be next week.. targetting CD 8, 10, 11(depending on OPK), 12, 13

[atomic sagebrush]

Keep the green tea to 5 cups a week max.

Brilliant! Good luck and blue dust headed your way.

[Joyjoy88]

I had to ask. if I get positive OPK, do I BD morning and night the same day or the next day?

[atomic sagebrush]

Night of positive OPK, again the next morning, and then gain the following night (so 2x the second day if possible.) Then, if you can, BD again the next night, take a day off, then go to every other day.

[Joyjoy88]

Night of positive OPK, again the next morning, and then gain the following night (so 2x the second day if possible.) Then, if you can, BD again the next night, take a day off, then go to every other day.

DTD on CD 8(pm), 10(pm), 12 (am & pm)

I think I have ovulated on CD 12 based on my BBT temps. We wanted to DTD on CD 11 but DH said he was too tired and complaining my insides are too wet and couldnt feel anything to finish the deed ! grrrrr.....Hope this covers all base.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh yes that happens sometimes, drop the Preseed if you're making a lot of EWCM.

[Joyjoy88]

Oh yes that happens sometimes, drop the Preseed if you're making a lot of EWCM.

Lol. I don't know what happened but I am not using preseed

Hope the BD pattern sways blue. :bluecheer:

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. Sorry it's just a complaint I hear quite a bit from people using Preseed so I thought I better mention it!

Yes very good pattern! FX and TX too!

[Joyjoy88]

Ok. Sorry it's just a complaint I hear quite a bit from people using Preseed so I thought I better mention it!

Yes very good pattern! FX and TX too!

Awesome. Another two more days before the AF arrive. Better still if it doesn't Haha

I saw some old posts that peanut butter sways girl ? Yikes I have been eating this every day.

[atomic sagebrush]

How old?? Can you link me to them??

I ate GOBS of peanut butter when I got my boys. I've always recommended it for blue. The thing is that the type of fat taht is in peanut butter, when eaten to excess, has been shown in some studies to possibly sway pink. But that is ONLY when you eat a LOT of that kind of fat with no other kinds of fat to kind of "fight it off" LOL. So peanut butter is fine as a part of an otherwise blue friendly diet, but I would NOT eat it morning, noon, and night, keep to 1-2 servings a day.

[Joyjoy88]

How old?? Can you link me to them??

I ate GOBS of peanut butter when I got my boys. I've always recommended it for blue. The thing is that the type of fat taht is in peanut butter, when eaten to excess, has been shown in some studies to possibly sway pink. But that is ONLY when you eat a LOT of that kind of fat with no other kinds of fat to kind of "fight it off" LOL. So peanut butter is fine as a part of an otherwise blue friendly diet, but I would NOT eat it morning, noon, and night, keep to 1-2 servings a day.

Phew . That is good to know. I have been eating it for breakfast only.

Btw AF showed today at 7pm. Should I count today as CD 1 or the following day since it arrived in the evening?

Guess this month is not our lucky month. I noticed that I am having more cramps than usual before period . Hope that is normal

[atomic sagebrush]

That's no big deal at all. Fine in a blue sway.

If it was bright red flow then yes count that day as CD 1 (even at 7 pm). If it was just a little spotting call it the next day.

Lots of people report different symptoms with their period - totally normal!

[Joyjoy88]

That's no big deal at all. Fine in a blue sway.

If it was bright red flow then yes count that day as CD 1 (even at 7 pm). If it was just a little spotting call it the next day.

Lots of people report different symptoms with their period - totally normal!

Btw does full fat Greek yogurt sway blue. I am having this with oats, almonds, walnuts, kiwi/blueberries and cacao powder after my workout. I run/walk almost every alternate day

And before workout it's always peanut butter with bread and a hard boiled egg.

I have been eating way way more than I used to. Haha. Hope I am doing the sway right

[LMSM]

Ff Greek yogurt is good for blue! I think yogurt is better than milk anyways due to the fermentation process (like’ cheese), it allows’ a better and more steady release of the sugars. Or something along those lines, am soooo not a scientific person, sorry lol). Plus loaded with protein so Id say go for it, the fruit and nuts added would make it very nutritious overall ;)

Good luck from a former (and future) blue swayer :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Full fat yogurt is fine for a blue sway. I ate TONS of full fat yogurt when I got my 3rd boy.

Everything you're eating sounds great for blue. Keep up the good work!

[Joyjoy88]

I have been trying for three months now and still no luck.. getting a bit demotivated :(

Should I increase the BD? We normally BD on CD 10, 11, 12 (positive OPK and normally ovulate on CD12,13 based on BBT temp and OPK) and then hb will run out of stamina and not BD anymore :(

Also been stalking the posts here and ppl have luck with Mucinex, should i try the same? getting desperate here,

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes sure you can try guaifenesin (Mucinex or similar brand)

If hubby is running out of steam we need to focus our attempts later. The CD 10 and 11 attempts aren't getting you anything in that case. If you're typically getting positive OPK like CD 12, then have attempt that night, again the next morning, and then the following night (so two on CD 13) or CD 12 (day of pos opk) CD 13 (probl ovulation) CD 14 (in case of delayed ovualtion) But DON"T use the Cycle Days to determine when to attempt. Use the OPK if they work for you - don't have useless attempts prior, either have unprotected sex or hubby release every 4 days (96 hours) and then have those 3-4 attempts in the fertile window instead of starting before.

[Joyjoy88]

Yes sure you can try guaifenesin (Mucinex or similar brand)

If hubby is running out of steam we need to focus our attempts later. The CD 10 and 11 attempts aren't getting you anything in that case. If you're typically getting positive OPK like CD 12, then have attempt that night, again the next morning, and then the following night (so two on CD 13) or CD 12 (day of pos opk) CD 13 (probl ovulation) CD 14 (in case of delayed ovualtion) But DON"T use the Cycle Days to determine when to attempt. Use the OPK if they work for you - don't have useless attempts prior, either have unprotected sex or hubby release every 4 days (96 hours) and then have those 3-4 attempts in the fertile window instead of starting before.

Thanks for responding. Are there any side effects when taking guaifenesin? I do have watery cm during fertile period. And when should I take it ?

As for BD pattern, sometimes I might ovulate on the day of the positive OPK would that be too late to BD on the day itself. E.g like this month, my chart indicates i ovulate on the first peak day. CD12
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And what's the best way and time to test for ovulation using strip opks. I ran out of the CB digital.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think you need to start temping earlier in the month. I can't tell when you ovulated on this basis because I don't have any early temps to go off of.

I don't think your chart/OPK are reliable. You might have ovulated early or on the 13th, we cannot tell because we don't have enough early temps to rely on. You can't draw any conclusion from that chart and for sure you can't think "well because I ovulated the day of the positive, that means I will always ovulate that day from now on". Even if it is the case that you Oed on pos OPK this month (which again, I doubt because that is not a reliable chart) it doesn't mean that would be true in the future.

Do you have any other charts I can see?

[Joyjoy88]

I think you need to start temping earlier in the month. I can't tell when you ovulated on this basis because I don't have any early temps to go off of.

I don't think your chart/OPK are reliable. You might have ovulated early or on the 13th, we cannot tell because we don't have enough early temps to rely on. You can't draw any conclusion from that chart and for sure you can't think "well because I ovulated the day of the positive, that means I will always ovulate that day from now on". Even if it is the case that you Oed on pos OPK this month (which again, I doubt because that is not a reliable chart) it doesn't mean that would be true in the future.

Do you have any other charts I can see?

I don't really chart the full month because of the stress it gives me. I used to be obsessed with it and analyse the temp daily to see if I have high temp that indicates pregnancy. Decided to chart after period till after ovulation to avoid the stress . I have been charting since 2017 with two miscarriages that year and the following

Anyway here is another chart the cycle before . It was 27 days with ovulation on CD 13. Positive opk on CD 12

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Btw how often should I test using the strip opks. And should i take the guaifenesin ?
Period came yesterday so had a 26 day cycle so i think i did ovulate on CD 12.

Sorry if I asked too many questions. 😑

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh yes look at that nice rise!! :bluecheer: :bluecheer: :bluecheer:

No there's no such thing as too many questions!

I'd test just once (after lunch) till you get to the fertile window and then you can test after lunch and before dinner.

Sure if you like. Guaifenesin starting 5 days before you expect to ovulate, and continued till 3 days past ovulation.

[Pbn3]

Hi! Just wanted to input here that it's quite possible you oed cd13 or 14 and had a 12 - 13 day luteal phase which is totally normal. So for o day, we'd need to rered around...............

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[Joyjoy88]

Oh yes look at that nice rise!! :bluecheer: :bluecheer: :bluecheer:

No there's no such thing as too many questions!

I'd test just once (after lunch) till you get to the fertile window and then you can test after lunch and before dinner.

Sure if you like. Guaifenesin starting 5 days before you expect to ovulate, and continued till 3 days past ovulation.

thanks. will look for the guaifenesin and try it out for this cycle.

[Joyjoy88]

Hi! Just wanted to input here that it's quite possible you oed cd13 or 14 and had a 12 - 13 day luteal phase which is totally normal. So for o day, we'd need to rered around...............

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ya it's possible.. maybe i should BD till CD 14.. normally my hb will be tired by then :( we will see how it goes maybe will do every alternate day and see

[atomic sagebrush]

ya it's possible.. maybe i should BD till CD 14.. normally my hb will be tired by then :( we will see how it goes maybe will do every alternate day and see

Yes that's why I think you need to start later OR do EOD earlier in the month. He's running out of steam and we need him to be able to go another day or two.

I am fine with you stopping temping after you think O has happened. Nothing wrong with that at all if it's making you obsessive. I just can't sign off on charts unless I can see the pre ovulation temps in enough detail so I can see the pattern, that's all.

[Joyjoy88]

Yes that's why I think you need to start later OR do EOD earlier in the month. He's running out of steam and we need him to be able to go another day or two.

I am fine with you stopping temping after you think O has happened. Nothing wrong with that at all if it's making you obsessive. I just can't sign off on charts unless I can see the pre ovulation temps in enough detail so I can see the pattern, that's all.

ok will try this cycle. I am on CD 6 now.

I tried finding Mucinex in the local pharmacies but unfortunately they dont have it here. Not even other cough syrup with the guaifenesin. :(

[Joyjoy88]

Yes that's why I think you need to start later OR do EOD earlier in the month. He's running out of steam and we need him to be able to go another day or two.

I am fine with you stopping temping after you think O has happened. Nothing wrong with that at all if it's making you obsessive. I just can't sign off on charts unless I can see the pre ovulation temps in enough detail so I can see the pattern, that's all.

ya would do that. I am on CD 6 now., hehe

Btw i have gotten this https://www.amazon.com/Breacol-Adults-soothes-Irritated-relieves/dp/B07BKTS2SL

Is this ok? I can't find Mucinex in the local pharmacies

[Joyjoy88]

Yes that's why I think you need to start later OR do EOD earlier in the month. He's running out of steam and we need him to be able to go another day or two.

I am fine with you stopping temping after you think O has happened. Nothing wrong with that at all if it's making you obsessive. I just can't sign off on charts unless I can see the pre ovulation temps in enough detail so I can see the pattern, that's all.

strange.. my new posts are not appearing in the thread...

[Joyjoy88]

Yes that's why I think you need to start later OR do EOD earlier in the month. He's running out of steam and we need him to be able to go another day or two.

I am fine with you stopping temping after you think O has happened. Nothing wrong with that at all if it's making you obsessive. I just can't sign off on charts unless I can see the pre ovulation temps in enough detail so I can see the pattern, that's all.

testing

[Joyjoy88]

strange that i posted a response here but did not appear.

I am now in CD 12. positive OPK on CD 11 night.

so far BD 8, 11, 12. Will try to squeeze in one more BD tonight. fingers crossed.

[atomic sagebrush]

Augh sorry we have a glitch sometimes with that. Just message me and I can approve them next time.

If you can't find the guaifenesin that's fine, I got 4 boys without it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Fingers and toes crossed joy - how did it go?

[Joyjoy88]

Fingers and toes crossed joy - how did it go?

Just two attempts. CD 11 and CD 12 as hubby fell sick.

[atomic sagebrush]

I got most of my boys with two! :bluecheer: :bluecheer: :bluecheer:

[Pbn3]

Me too! Good luck!!!!

2 love of my life boys followed years later by my miracle daughter [emoji173][emoji173][emoji173] so blessed [emoji847]

[Joyjoy88]

Hellooo. Been away for a bit as work peaked.

No good news yet and I finally caved and saw the obgyn.
He recommended to take Metformin as I showed mild pcos.(right ovary has a lot of tiny eggs and left ovary has a mature egg. 2cm) And he said this is to suppress the male hormones. He suspect I have more male dominant hormones in me as I have acne and hair loss.

At the same time he prescribed baby aspirin.

Question is will Metformin and baby aspirin impact the boy sway

[atomic sagebrush]

Metformin likely sways slightly pink but if you're careful to eat regular meals you can overcome it and still get a boy.

THe PCOS tendencies likely sway blue anyway.

Why is he giving you the baby aspirin?

[Joyjoy88]

Baby aspirin is to increase the chances of pregnancy and also due to the recurrent miscarriages that I had

I was given a low dosage to take daily.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. Sometimes people are given it without medical reason and it's best to skip it in that case.

Aspirin is said to sway pink but when we tracked it in our results it got really poor results (did not appear to be swaying either way.) If you need it, you need it.

[Joyjoy88]

Ok. Sometimes people are given it without medical reason and it's best to skip it in that case.

Aspirin is said to sway pink but when we tracked it in our results it got really poor results (did not appear to be swaying either way.) If you need it, you need it.

Thanks atomic!

Just wondering why I have pcos now. Never had it before plus my period cycle is regular.

[atomic sagebrush]

It's believed that 75% of all people will develop PCOS eventually if their lifestyle supports it. Some people have it right from the start, others develop it over the course of time.

If your period is regular that's good, it means you don't have it very severely and the medicine will probably fix things. :heart:

[Joyjoy88]

Still no good news to share. 🥺
Took some blood work on cd 4 and progesterone came back low

No idea what is the normal range . I am taking some maca powder to see if it will increase the levels

[atomic sagebrush]

Your progesterone is SUPPOSED to be low on CD 4!!!!

STOP TAKING MACA IMMEDIATELY. We have seen it cause tons of trouble for people.

[atomic sagebrush]

Your progesterone is SUPPOSED to be low on CD 4!!!!

STOP TAKING MACA IMMEDIATELY. We have seen it cause tons of trouble for people.

[Joyjoy88]

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Here is the blood work report

What is the side effect of maca ? Dang I just bought the tub haha

[atomic sagebrush]

That progesterone is totally normal for CD 4. The range goes from .34 thru 1.62 in the follicular phase and at .44 you are within normal range.

Maca can act like estrogen in the body, delaying or even stop ovulation for some people, has shortened LP for some people, and has had some very weird side effects including hallucinations and muscle twitches over the entire body. Because it acts like estrogen, it may discourage your body from making its own natural estrogen, and also may encourage the growth of estrogen sensitive cancers down the line. It also may aggravate underlying thyroid problems for people who are sensitive to thyroid issues (which you can be even if it's never been diagnosed), and malfunctioning thyroid is among the most common causes of miscarriage.

[Joyjoy88]

Ok I have stopped the maca. Sigh not sure what I can do. Period just got here. Super depressed now. Why can't I get pregnant. 🙁🙁🙁

[atomic sagebrush]

Tell me when you're having attempts and what are you doing in terms of attempts. ARe you on any other supplements??

[Joyjoy88]

Tell me when you're having attempts and what are you doing in terms of attempts. Are you on any other supplements??

Woo Hoo - Every other day.
Taking BBT temp to ensure I have ovulated.
Taking Women's One a day multivits(daily), fish oil(EOD), metformin 1000mg, baby aspirin

Should i take coconut oil ? or any other vit?

[atomic sagebrush]

Having sex every other day is not a good way to conceive. This is because you can easily end up with only one viable attempt in the fertile window. This is not high chance of conception and also may sway blue.

Why are using baby aspirin? Do you have a medical reason for that?

While coconut oil is fine to use I don't think you need it. I think that the EOD may be cutting odds of conception too far. I think you need to have sex every 2 days and then in the fertile window O-2 thru O Day (even if you need to do digital OPK to determine this) have 3 attempts or more.

Do you find your BBT O day is matching the length of your cycle?

[Joyjoy88]

Having sex every other day is not a good way to conceive. This is because you can easily end up with only one viable attempt in the fertile window. This is not high chance of conception and also may sway blue.

Why are using baby aspirin? Do you have a medical reason for that?

While coconut oil is fine to use I don't think you need it. I think that the EOD may be cutting odds of conception too far. I think you need to have sex every 2 days and then in the fertile window O-2 thru O Day (even if you need to do digital OPK to determine this) have 3 attempts or more.

Do you find your BBT O day is matching the length of your cycle?

The bbt o day matched the cycle length. My luteal phase is 14 days. So typically my O is on CD 12 or CD13

Baby aspirin was prescribed by my doc for easier conception.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. A long as you're on it by a doctor's guidance that is fine.

I think the EOD, while good for blue, may not be working for you guys. So I want you to stretch that out by a day or two and go to every 2-4 days.

Then, since your cycle is regular, if there is any way to have 3 attempts just before ovulation, please do so.

When you do every other day, this can end up with attempts that are in one of these two patterns:

O-5, O-3 and O-1 (the O-5 has no shot at the egg, the O-3 is a long shot, and only the O-1 is going to be for sure viable - one attempt)

OR

O-4, O-2, O Day (the O-4 has no shot at the egg, the O-2 is for sure viable, and a shot on O day is often too late - one attempt.)

In addition to one attempt swaying pink, it's also not a good way to conceive, so whenever someone is not getting pregnant and DTD every other day I urge them to give the every other day and try to have 2-3 attempts just before ovulation. That is much better for concepiton, and it's also better for blue as well. :)