pink newbie from the uk

[StarryRiver]

Hi, I've come here to share and learn from others who are gender swaying/ have swayed, or like me plan to sway in the future.

After two lovely boys (age 6&4) we plan on one more precious bundle, but would love to sway for a girl. I plan on starting the LE diet in March with ttc from June. Between now and then, I'm just trying to gather as much info as possible.

I was diagnosed with mild PCOS when I was 17 but the only symptoms I have now are a longer than average cycle (~35 days), and the odd dark hair that grows on my neck and chin. I have always maintained a healthy weight but did have gestational diabetes when pregnant. I honestly wouldn't know if I'm still classed as having PCOS or not so therefore not sure which LE diet I should choose.






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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome! Given your history I strongly recommend the alternate PCOS-type LE Diet. It gets even better results than the standard one and the standard one may sway blue to some extent for those who need the other version (because it's so carby, it may raise blood sugar and in turn testosterone). https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html

[StarryRiver]

Thanks for the input. I’ve had a good read through everything and am making notes. It will be quite alien for me to weigh food and keep a strict tab on everything, but I’m gonna start doing it a bit now so I have an idea of what I’m already consuming.

I’m also considering what supplements to take. For definite there will be folate and fibre, but I’m also considering Vitex and/or soy isoflavines to see if it will shorten my cycle as a long cycle is no fun when ttc.


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[atomic sagebrush]

You don't have to weigh food. All you have to do is use a little sensible portion control and then keep track of how much you've eaten (loosely) over the course of a day.

I can't recommend vitex or soy iso. Both of them really messed up the menstrual cycle badly for people (often making long cycles even longer). Vitex got terrible results for us (barely better than 50-50 and way worse than the site as a whole) and soy iso is believed by many sway theorists to sway blue. Now, I happen to suspect that regular soy intake sways pink, but the soy iso are used such a short time that I don't know if they even help a pink sway, and even if they do, many people disagree with me and beyond that they mess up the cycle so badly! Just not anything I can recommend.

You may find diet and exercise really helps with your cycle but beyond that you may want to look into something called "myoinositol" which can help with PCOS. I normally don't have anyone take it without moderate to severe PCOS but it's worth looking into if your cycle is long. Also seems to sway pink.

[StarryRiver]

I think I will give the myoinositol a go actually as apart from last month my cycles from the past couple of months have been 40 days. My diet is already relatively healthy and I do a fair bit of exercise.

Do you do a 21 day meal plan for the PCOS LE diet?


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[Nell_]

Hi, I've come here to share and learn from others who are gender swaying/ have swayed, or like me plan to sway in the future.

After two lovely boys (age 6&4) we plan on one more precious bundle, but would love to sway for a girl. I plan on starting the LE diet in March with ttc from June. Between now and then, I'm just trying to gather as much info as possible.

I was diagnosed with mild PCOS when I was 17 but the only symptoms I have now are a longer than average cycle (~35 days), and the odd dark hair that grows on my neck and chin. I have always maintained a healthy weight but did have gestational diabetes when pregnant. I honestly wouldn't know if I'm still classed as having PCOS or not so therefore not sure which LE diet I should choose.






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Good luck im a pink swayer from the uk too 🎀

[atomic sagebrush]

I think I will give the myoinositol a go actually as apart from last month my cycles from the past couple of months have been 40 days. My diet is already relatively healthy and I do a fair bit of exercise.

Do you do a 21 day meal plan for the PCOS LE diet?


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No but the stuff in the meal plan can easily be switched over to PCOS version by just using whole grains (and even artificial sweeteners like Splenda in the desserts). It's really suitable for anyone to use with a few minor exceptions.

[atomic sagebrush]

and just to clarify, I can't do a 21 day diet for the alternate LE Diet because there are too many different reasons why people are on it. I would have to make like 10 different versions for all the various groups of people who use that diet.

I know everyone always wonders "well why doesn't she just make one for the PCOSers" but it's because there are simply too many variations to make a one size fits all version of the alternate LE Diet.

[PinkSabra101]

Also a UK long cycle (35-45 days) future pink swayer :) was looking at myo inositol-is it ok for breastfeeding? (A 2 year old not small baby but ridiculously frequent!) thx! X

[atomic sagebrush]

Do you have PCOS? More than 30 lbs to spare? Has your cycle always been that long or is this new?

I really prefer to have as few people on myo as possible so I don't want anyone to use it just because. It's caused a lot of trouble for people.

[PinkSabra101]

I do have PCOS but no weight to lose. Only symptom has been long cycles and in the past absent cycles entirely (seems to be tied to increased sugar intake and stress, would go missing for up to a year). May be beyond the scope of the site but I was also wondering if the myo would have a positive impact on sub-clinical anxiety. Sorry to hijack thread--hope this is helpful to others!

[atomic sagebrush]

Well...the thing is that myoinositol has made people lose weight and end up swinging from delayed O due to PCO tendencies to delayed O from hypothalamic amenorrhea (basically the opposite problem of PCOS, too few hormones)

I hesitate to have people use it. I always prefer to see people try diet and exercise to control PCOS and keep the myo in reserve for those who aren't going to waste away on it. But if you'd like to try it since you know you do have PCOS then I'm ok with it, but PLEASE be sure you're eating a good level of food and 50-60 g protein and fat.

[Hugo16felix17]

Hello fellow UK-ers!!!
I have just started my first day on the LE diet! Aiming to start TTC May! I have two boys already who are nearly 2 and 3! I am excited for my sway but SOOOO much to absorb! x

[PinkSabra101]

Good luck!

[StarryRiver]

Hi there, it's been a while but I've just started the diet. At the moment, I've been drinking coffee, but then I've read it's bad for PCOS so I'm not so sure now, especially since I have decided to give inositol a go after a ridiculously long (45 day) cycle. From what I read about inositol is that it doesn't go with caffeine. Also alcohol...I do like to have a tipple at the weekend and was secretly relieved to hear that it sways pink. But, is that not the case for people with PCOS because of the sugar content?

And the whole cardio thing...I walk dogs for a living so I get a good amount of exercise, but to me it doesn't feel like cardio, as in raised heart rate etc. Should I add in some running as well?

I hope everyone is getting on OK? I did have to take a step back after a personal loss in real life but I'm back in the game.






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[PinkSabra101]

Just to say sorry about the loss you experienced and good luck with the sway. I've started myo and have not stopped coffee but I'm not sure if that's "right." :C::C:

[StarryRiver]

Hi pink, when are you ttc?

It was my dad that died. I hope that this effort will eventually lead to us celebrating a new life. My mother would love a granddaughter, also.

What I read about inositol was on the manufacturing website as apparently caffeine prevents it being absorbed properly?

I'm also in a pickle over dairy now and meat as animal products raise testosterone. So not sure if I should go veggie and swap milk for non-dairy alternative, but not soya as that does something not good [emoji53]



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[PinkSabra101]

Ah, I'm sorry. That's so hard :(
We're thinking October; I've got a 4 year old and a 2 year old, and the 2 year old is full-on, so the original plan to have started some time ago kept getting pushed back lol.
I'm vegan but I should probably scale down on the tofu..
Good luck and I hope you get your baby girl :flowerz:

[Nell_]

Hi girls Im from the uk and pink sway! Have been on the diet since sept and started ttc in dec.
Starry am so sorry for your loss xox

Good luck to you all :HH::HH:

[StarryRiver]

Hi Nell, good luck to you to...I hope you are not waiting long to get your pink [emoji177] BFP [emoji177]. How have you found the diet generally or any tips you can share?

Pink, my friend is a vegan and I find her food really yummy! I would consider it an option for myself if it was just me. My husband does support us eating less meat, however, so I quite often buy tofu and quorn these days. Are you drinking soya milk or something else?

My boys are 2 years apart and the younger one quite full on (he's being assessed for autism). But they'll both be at school in sept so I should get to spend more time with the baby. With it being my last I wanted to wait until then so I could enjoy him/her more.





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[PinkSabra101]

That was my thinking, too...two years apart has been good fun for the kids but really taxing on me. I'm still breastfeeding the little one too. My husband is a full-on meat-eater so the whole vegan thing is alien to him. He's willing to drink a cup of soya milk here and there (I've switched to almond) but other than that not that into swaying, but happy to "humour" me. Good luck with the assessment as well; I hope it's useful! And Nell I also hope you don't have to wait long. I know once you want it you want it yesterday. Looks like we may all end up being in different due date groups, but looking forward to sharing the journey with you guys

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi there, it's been a while but I've just started the diet. At the moment, I've been drinking coffee, but then I've read it's bad for PCOS so I'm not so sure now, especially since I have decided to give inositol a go after a ridiculously long (45 day) cycle. From what I read about inositol is that it doesn't go with caffeine. Also alcohol...I do like to have a tipple at the weekend and was secretly relieved to hear that it sways pink. But, is that not the case for people with PCOS because of the sugar content?

And the whole cardio thing...I walk dogs for a living so I get a good amount of exercise, but to me it doesn't feel like cardio, as in raised heart rate etc. Should I add in some running as well?

I hope everyone is getting on OK? I did have to take a step back after a personal loss in real life but I'm back in the game.






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As long as you're on a sway diet you can have coffee. That is fine and in fact it even improves insulin response over time to have the coffee. Coffee is only a ~potential~ concern with PCOS when people are already eating a very high carb high sugar diet.

Alcohol - same rules apply. If you're dieting it is fine to have alcohol as part of your sway diet and in fact it can actaully lower blood sugar.

You do not need to add exercise on top of the walking you already do.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi pink, when are you ttc?

It was my dad that died. I hope that this effort will eventually lead to us celebrating a new life. My mother would love a granddaughter, also.

What I read about inositol was on the manufacturing website as apparently caffeine prevents it being absorbed properly?

I'm also in a pickle over dairy now and meat as animal products raise testosterone. So not sure if I should go veggie and swap milk for non-dairy alternative, but not soya as that does something not good [emoji53]



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PLEASE do not go vegetarian and especially not vegan with PCOS. What happens when you change your diet in that way is that you up carbs massively, which is really bad for PCOSers. Definitely continue eating dairy, full fat only. Please continue eating meat in small amounts if you like, or eggs. DO NOT under any circumstances start increasing intake of carby foods like vegan meals at the expense of protein foods.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Nell, good luck to you to...I hope you are not waiting long to get your pink [emoji177] BFP [emoji177]. How have you found the diet generally or any tips you can share?

Pink, my friend is a vegan and I find her food really yummy! I would consider it an option for myself if it was just me. My husband does support us eating less meat, however, so I quite often buy tofu and quorn these days. Are you drinking soya milk or something else?

My boys are 2 years apart and the younger one quite full on (he's being assessed for autism). But they'll both be at school in sept so I should get to spend more time with the baby. With it being my last I wanted to wait until then so I could enjoy him/her more.





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Tofu (or any soy food) no more than 2-3 times a week.

[StarryRiver]

Thanks atomic, I definitely feel reassured that what I've been doing so far is ok and that I don't need to become a vegan marathon runner! Obviously time will tell...but I'm feeling confident that I'm doing all I possibly can. I never used to do the dog walking when I had the boys and my diet has naturally shifted towards the le PCOS diet anyway so I haven't had to make many major changes. I do worry about my testosterone levels because I have oily skin (some acne) and dark hairs growing where they shouldn't do.


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[Nell_]

Thank you starry! I have found it quite easy i just don't snack and stick to the limits and have the odd cheat day! Also delay or skip breakfast :) i have cut down on meat too!

[PinkSabra101]

Hi Atomic, I'm guessing this isn't the case for people who are already vegan/vegetarian? Is it the major change that can cause issues for PCOS? Thanks :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks atomic, I definitely feel reassured that what I've been doing so far is ok and that I don't need to become a vegan marathon runner! Obviously time will tell...but I'm feeling confident that I'm doing all I possibly can. I never used to do the dog walking when I had the boys and my diet has naturally shifted towards the le PCOS diet anyway so I haven't had to make many major changes. I do worry about my testosterone levels because I have oily skin (some acne) and dark hairs growing where they shouldn't do.


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Just up protein and fat to 50-60 g, drop skim dairy in favor of full fat, and drop sugar and white carbs in favor of whole grains. :agree: Better for your sway and for egg quality.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic, I'm guessing this isn't the case for people who are already vegan/vegetarian? Is it the major change that can cause issues for PCOS? Thanks :)

I am of the opinion that vegetarianism actually causes many a case of PCOS that would not normally exist.

If you're a vegetarian, avoid skim dairy, sugar, and white carbs like the plague and focus on getting 50-60 g protein and fat and b sure your carbs are coming from healthier sources.

[PinkSabra101]

I'm sure there's a clear explanation on the site that I'm not seeing; I'm confused about what one attempt is/how it works throughout the month? Can anyone attach an explanation, or explain briefly? Thanks! :P Hope everyone is doing well x

[Pbn3]

I'm sure there's a clear explanation on the site that I'm not seeing; I'm confused about what one attempt is/how it works throughout the month? Can anyone attach an explanation, or explain briefly? Thanks! [emoji14] Hope everyone is doing well xSo the idea is, for the first 2-3 cycles have just 'one' unprotected bd at pos opk. All other bding should be done with a condom outside this. After that (because you don't want to be doing le indefinitely) you move onto dtd e4d. Probably best to do a cycle or two of e4d (96hr version so example: af finishes on a monday... you dtd tuesday, saturday, Wednesday etc) then if unsuccessful move onto e4d 72hr version (example: af finishes Monday, you'd dtd Tuesday, Friday, Monday etc etc ) This simply means dtd e4d (whatever hourly version applies) from af end to end of cycle or at least once more once you are sure you've oed. Hope this helps! [emoji4]

2 love of my life boys followed r years later by my miracle daughter [emoji173][emoji173][emoji173] so blessed [emoji847]

[PinkSabra101]

Thanks so much for quick response; so it doesn't matter what you do outside of the fertile window as long as it's just the one within it? If you're one of those who doesn't know when (or if) ovulation is happening, does once per week amount to the same idea?

[Pbn3]

I'd wait for atomic to answer that one. I think if you're going the relaxed route of no opks then e4d (96 hour version) may be a good starting point for you. Then move onto e4d (every 72 hour version) after a few cycles if you haven't conceived. Again though, Atomic will advise what she believes best [emoji4]

2 love of my life boys followed years later by my miracle daughter [emoji173][emoji173][emoji173] so blessed [emoji847]

[atomic sagebrush]

So the idea is, for the first 2-3 cycles have just 'one' unprotected bd at pos opk. All other bding should be done with a condom outside this. After that (because you don't want to be doing le indefinitely) you move onto dtd e4d. Probably best to do a cycle or two of e4d (96hr version so example: af finishes on a monday... you dtd tuesday, saturday, Wednesday etc) then if unsuccessful move onto e4d 72hr version (example: af finishes Monday, you'd dtd Tuesday, Friday, Monday etc etc ) This simply means dtd e4d (whatever hourly version applies) from af end to end of cycle or at least once more once you are sure you've oed. Hope this helps! [emoji4]

2 love of my life boys followed r years later by my miracle daughter [emoji173][emoji173][emoji173] so blessed [emoji847]

:agree: :agree: :agree: Thank you PBN this has been a rough few weeks and as always I SO appreciate your help!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks so much for quick response; so it doesn't matter what you do outside of the fertile window as long as it's just the one within it? If you're one of those who doesn't know when (or if) ovulation is happening, does once per week amount to the same idea?

Yes that's what we've found - it really doesn't seem to matter if we do abstain or FR or just have hubby "do what he does".

If you have no idea when you'll O and don't want to try OPK then I'd start off doing e4d in the 96 hour pattern, do that for a few months, then go to 72.

[PinkSabra101]

Thank you! :)

[PinkSabra101]

Also hope this week is better! Sorry it's been a rough couple...

[atomic sagebrush]

Also hope this week is better! Sorry it's been a rough couple...

Aww thanks, it's mostly self inflicted, taking on more responsibilities than I should. Thank you.

[StarryRiver]

Oh dear, I have messed up here. 11 days ago had unprotected sex thinking that I was well past ovulation and af due in the next day or so BUT the next day I had ewcm and ovulation pain. So, I'm now on cd 47 and hoping not pregnant yet as only been swaying 8 weeks or so. The longest cycle I would normally have is 45 days max but usually 35-40 days.

I've been taking 4g myoinositol daily but have only just realised that is too much and has probably contributed to the change in my cycle.



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[StarryRiver]

Actually I'm on cd48...


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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh yes I suspect the myo at that dose may have caused your cycle to go haywire. I'd wean back to 2000 for the rest of this cycle, and then next cycle, take 2000 during the follicular phase and 1000 during the luteal phase.

Have you taken a pregnancy test??

[StarryRiver]

Sorry for the late reply as been away for the weekend with no WiFi. Basically, af arrived the day I posted so it was likely the high levels of myo that made it wack. I have reduced it now to 2g and will reduce it again as you say. Would I then raise it again during the follicular phase?

Also, with such a long cycle I don’t know when to start opks. My aim is ttc anytime from next month but is all dependent on my cycle and where I’m at.


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[StarryRiver]

Ok, I'm on cd7 and this is the month I would like to have our first attempt. I'm not sure anymore whether to stick with one attempt at positive OPK or go e4d. When I practiced using ovulation strips last month I had a faint line on one day, the day after it was darker (but not positive) and then gone the next day so I missed the surge. I tend to have one day out of every month where I have ewcm and increased sex drive. That was the same day I had the darker line.

I worry about missing the LH surge again if I go with one attempt at positive OPK, plus my cycle length varies hugely so it's impossible to predict which day I'll ovulate. But statistically, if I choose the e4d pattern, does that drastically lower the odds of conceiving a girl?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh no so sorry I must have closed before replying the last time.

Yes you raise the Myo again during follicular phase (if you want) OR you can do 1000 in FP, 500 (or every other day) in the LP.

I always want you guys to start OPK earlier than the soonest you could possibly O. I know it's irritating with a longer cycle but you never know the next one might be short.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, I'm on cd7 and this is the month I would like to have our first attempt. I'm not sure anymore whether to stick with one attempt at positive OPK or go e4d. When I practiced using ovulation strips last month I had a faint line on one day, the day after it was darker (but not positive) and then gone the next day so I missed the surge. I tend to have one day out of every month where I have ewcm and increased sex drive. That was the same day I had the darker line.

I worry about missing the LH surge again if I go with one attempt at positive OPK, plus my cycle length varies hugely so it's impossible to predict which day I'll ovulate. But statistically, if I choose the e4d pattern, does that drastically lower the odds of conceiving a girl?


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I think e4d might also be a good idea. No, it doesn't drastically lower the chances of pink. I can't truly compare them because I have people only go to e4d after a few months of trying, but we are getting still very good results with e4d right now.

[StarryRiver]

I'm really having trouble deciding now! The controlling side of me wants to do one attempt positive OPK because that method is 'best' and it means peeing on a stick every day so I see actual results and know when it's 'time'. But e4d would be a lot more relaxing and straightforward if I could let go enough not to use opks, as it would stress me out if I got my positive result on a non bd day!


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[atomic sagebrush]

All the more reason to do e4d! that "wanting to see results" is that control freakishness that may sway blue!

[StarryRiver]

I've decided to go with e4d as it seems to be the better option for a number of reasons. If we started last night, do we bd again on tues or weds? I thought weds but then I've seen other posts suggesting otherwise?


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[atomic sagebrush]

For best odds of conception, count it every 72 days. For best odds of pink count it every 96 hours (or so please don't get too hung up on the amount of hours)

[StarryRiver]

Update -

So I did a hpt yesterday and got a BFP! I ended up having a long cycle and a gap of about 10 days with no attempts after initially following the e4d pattern. Then on CD 31 I took an OPK after noticing signs of ovulation, and it was positive so I got in one attempt then!

Feel truly blessed to have caught this egg. Now need some luck for the journey ahead.




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[atomic sagebrush]

Huge congrats and pink dust headed your way!!