Swaying girl after our 3 handsome little men ❤️

[TJA ❤️]

Hello ladies

I’m starting the LE diet very soon, going to try cut out all meat not big on red but often have chicken. I have a bit of weight to lose (from the boys still), BF my 10month old. Trying to fit in the exercise too. What the best supps for me to take? Is it just folate? Then an antihistamine before our 1 attempt? I have a fair bit of CM so I need something! Ha

Also, Just wanting to get some opinions. I’ve noticed coffe plays a big part in swaying girl is out ok to just have peppermint tea from AF-O? Then Diet Coke too for a drink plus alcohol if I can manage it LoL!

Also PT or LR for hubby? I’ve read heaps of threads but i think I’m just getting confused now. Does olive leaf extract help him too?

Thank you! 😊

[atomic sagebrush]

I have most people just take folate and fiber. You may want to give your baby a separate vitamin drop with DHA and Vit. D in it in case the fiber absorbs those things from your body and in turn your milk supply.

I would have you take only ONE antihistamine (pref. cetirizine) 6 hours before attempt. More than that may dry up milk

No peppermint tea while nursing. It doesn't work, has really messed up cycles for people (delaying and even stopping O), has seemed to prevent conception, dries up breastmilk, and may come through your milk and affect your nursing baby's hormones.

If you can't stand coffee, then skip it. I don't think diet coke does anything but it's ok if you like it.

LR has gotten abysmal results for us - at present I think it's 33%. We've dropped it. Pep tea for hubby hasn't worked either but at least it appears neutral - your call to make on that. 3 cups daily, allow to steep 5 min. before drinking.

OLE may sway pink (although again, results have been about neutral) you'd give him 500-1000 mg daily till BFP then have him gradually wean off by spacing doses further and furhter out till down to one per week, then drop.

[TJA ❤️]

Thank you for the reply atomic. So is that all I should take for supps? I normally have a high vitamin D level anyways but yes I’ll look into something for little one. He is 11 months this month and has no issues at all with food haha.
Hmm ok I’ll just try and have some coffee is it ok in a mocha?

Is there anything else that hubby can take supp wise? What is OLE? He will stop red meat and potentially white meat also.

Thanks again

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh ok if he's eating on his own well and you know you're not low then it's ok.

If you're having the coffee as mocha it needs to be with a meal. Anything with sugar is with a meal.

The husband supps have really not worked for us AT ALL. OLE is olive leaf extract, it may help. Soy milk is another thing that may help (altho hubbies are often very reticent) 12-48 oz daily.

[TJA ❤️]

Hey atomic!

Just wondering if you recommend myself or hubby to take cranberry at all?
And also calcium citrate? What’s your thought on that? And coq 10?

Thank you hope you are well
Natalie :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't recommend cranberry at all. It does not work and has had huge risks and side effects.

I leave calcium at your guys' discretion. I got boys with it and gave it up to get my girl. The best study ever done on diet and gender conceived found the moms with the highest nutrient intake in everything (including calcium) had the most boys. But I understand it's hard for some people to give up on it and I allow it as long as you don't have Vit. D with it.

Coq10 is fine if you want to use it. I typically use it for blue sways but a lot of pink swayers take it when they're concerned with egg quality (but of course there is no magic pill for egg qualtiy) If you want to include it, 400-600 mg daily till BFP and then gradually wean off by spacing doses further and further out till down to one per week, then drop.

thank you! :) You too.

[TJA ❤️]

Thank you for that!! It’s so hard to know what to do lol!! I’m not concerned about quality yet so I’ll leave it out :)

Also what do you think about zinc? What does of folate? as I have read soo many different things! And should hubby take a certrizine too?
With it drying up my milk how long does that last or is it indefinitely? Also with OLE I have only been able to find 3000mg at the moment (in aus) will that be ok?

Thank you 😊

[atomic sagebrush]

Zinc sways blue and I dont' recommend it for anyone unless they've been dieting strictly for 3-6 months or more.

I like you guys to take 1200-1600 mcg (that is micrograms not milligrams) folate per day through the entire first trrimester of pregnancy, then gradually wean off.

It's up to you on whether hubs should take cetirizine. I don't give them to men generally but some do take them.

A day at the most the antihistamine will dry up milk. Just keep nursing and it will come back soon at full force. But it hasn't worked anyway if you wanted to leave it out.

No 3000 mg of OLE is too much. Just skip it. That high dose is meant to be used for a couple days as an antibiotic replacement. We have a very hard time finding the proper dose in Australia.

[TJA ❤️]

Ok is that dose of folate pre BFP too?

With the OLE could he take one ever 3 days instead? Isn’t that crazy about the dose but yet it says take 1-3 for general health daily but just not for a very long period!!

Hmmm is there anything else I can take then to dry me up so to speak? 🙊 I believe I become very alkaline.

And with the LE diet I’m doing my best to skip breaky not eat till around 11/12. Then 2 meals or 3 smallish meals. Is milk ok to drink every now and again as that helps fill me up. LOL

Thanks again 😊

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes you start it now and carry on till the end of the first trimester then wean off to amount in prenatal

No it's too high for that. For whatever reason in Australia the doses on the OLE are insanely high but I just can't recommend it based on my research.

If anything worked, I'd tell you guys about it. :) The antihistamine is the best bet, but it really doesn't seem to work. Alkalinity has not panned out for swaying and you can read more about that here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

Yes milk is fine with a meal in diet limits.

[TJA ❤️]

Ok great thank you for your reply, sorry I took so long I’ve got two little sickies at home. That’s for that information. Do you recommend anything like RepHresh or aci jel?

Just want to check I’m on track so hubby releases every 3 days-ish after AF finishes, then DTD 3/4 das before O or when I first get a positive for a surge in LH? Is this right? Lol Should I jump and dump or use a diva cup?

And just the tablets

So I’ve got hubby taking
Fiber
Multi
Peppermint tea
Soy milk

Me
Folate
Fiber

Do you think the moon phases have anything to do with conceiving/gender type?

Wow way more questions then I thought sorry they just kept coming.

[atomic sagebrush]

oh no worries, you never need to apologize for not getting back to me, it's my job to get back to you!

I"m going to reread our previous responses before replying to the rest of this.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you are aiming for timing, you would want no longer than a 3 day cutoff. 4 day cutoffs have a very slim chance of conception.

No I don't think moon phases work. I don't believe in magic and mysticism since science provides us with an explanation of why gender swaying works, and that is when one gender has a better shot of surviving to adulthood to pass down genees to future generations. Things like diet, exercise, and physical condition send those signals to your body. I just can't imagine it mattering to survival to be conceived one week vs. another because of moon power. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and sorry I missed a few here, got interrupted

Neither RepHresh nor Acijel has worked but you can use them if you want.

No Diva Cups. I hate them and wish they had never been invented LOL. You can jump and dump if you would like, immediately or after 5 minutes. It did seem to add a little something, although does cut odds of conception.

[TJA ❤️]

Great thank you. Are those tablets I listed ok? And does it make a difference doing the jump And dump Immediately as opposed to waiting 5 mins?

It’s hard to know if we should try this month or wait another (just don’t want our age gap between the last two too big and similar to the other three. Plus you don’t know how long it will take) I have been skipping breakfast 95% of the time And cut out red meat. Trying my hardest not to snack and just the 2 meals.

Exercise when I can and intense cardio 2 nights a week so hard with 3 little ones

With the metformin does that help with weight loss? I know from being a nurse it doesn’t actually lower your levels just helps maintain and helps stop them rising but is it ok to just take lol?? Or anything else up your sleeve?

With having the timing as a 3 day cut off would you recommend the first day or positive OPKs or the 2nd then for DTD?

Also getting on the coffee train what’s best to just shot it or have it with milk? (But that then makes it part of a meal yea?)

Thanks for all your help and knowledge very much appreciated ����

[atomic sagebrush]

Forgive me if I'm being dense here but I'm not seeing what tablets you're referring to.

We don't know if it makes a difference for gender between immediate vs. 5 min. J and D. We do ~believe~ that either of those options vs. laying down 30+ minutes does help a bit, but we just can't pin it down any more than that.

You can still have 3 meals, just push back breakfast. This helps many people stick to the diet (I could not have managed on 2 meals!)

Metformin keeps blood sugar from going up real high. We don't know how any of this works for swaying, so I honestly can't give you specific answers to your questions (If I did know those answers I could tell you guys exactly what to do, but as it is now this is a matter of trying to do what has worked for most people most of the time without really knowing the underlying reasons why)

I am not following your question about the 3 day cutoff at all, can you rephrase it?

We allow milk or cream (not a massive amount, enough to lighten the coffee) in the coffee. That doesn't count. But if using sugar or more than just a small amount of milk or cream (like a latte with 1-2 cups of milk, for instance then yes it needs to be with a meal

[TJA ❤️]

Thanks for that info.

Sorry the question was in the post before lol here they are again
So I’ve got hubby taking
Fiber
Multi
Peppermint tea
Soy milk

Me
Folate
Fiber

How much fiber should we be taking roughly?

Ill try rephrase what’s in my head haha about the cut off, I just mean more so should we DTD when I first get that flashing smiley face/pos OPKs? Or the second day? I feel we have always done it around ovulation with our boys plus just the once (with not much action/releasing the prior days/week at all)

Also should hubby release as well the same day as we DTD?

Hope that makes sense.

Thank you 😊

[atomic sagebrush]

Fiber for both you and DH is fine.

I think DH should wean off the multi if he's willing to unless he has some health or fertility reason he needs them. Men taking supplements is much much much less important than it is for us so please don't hesitate to have him continue if he needs to.

I don't believe in pep tea but fine if you want to give it to him

Soy milk :agree: as long as he doesn't ahve any health issues aggravated by soy

Take the minimum amount (serving as listed on bottle) before any meal containing fat. If the meal is pure carbs skip the fiber.

ALL babies are conceived "around ovulation." Around ovulation is literally the only time you can get pregnant. So that you got your boys "around ovulation" really doesn't mean anything. It's 50-50 every fertile day and this has been as proven as it's possible for something in science to be proven. All those old studies that claim timing swayed never actually figured out when anyone had really ovulated, they just had them BD a certain day without ever confirming when those women actually ovulated. Modern studies with modern technology have debunked timing.

But it's fine if you want timing. If your cycle stays regular just aim at 3 days before you expect to O. If it is irregular, you can do the OPK and have your attempt the day of first solid (which is my preference but is only a small cutoff) OR you can have it the day of second flashy. The first smiley is too far out, very low chances of conception that day (altho for the first month, if you must, you could try it), aim for second smiley. But be aware you can go straight to "peak" without any flashy smiley or have many days of flashy in a row and in those situations you'd need to have a plan in place about what you plan to do so you're not left in a panic at the last minute.

The "hurry up release" (having hubby release the same day as attempt) has never been proven to help and really cuts odds of concepiton. Your call to make.

[TJA ❤️]

Hey Atomic

Just wondering if you have any tips if I’m having trouble pinpointing ovulation at the moment (probably because I’m still feeding) is it still best to the once only method?
Thanks
Natalie :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Can you use OPK strips?

[TJA ❤️]

I have tried them. I don’t feel they are that accurate. I use maybe baby too. And just try to use the best between them. I’ve had blood work done at the same time that I’ve had positives on OPk and it hasn’t really been anything... chasing my last lot of blood work today just to see I mean we haven’t started trying to conceive yet I just want to know when to DTD as we were hoping to start this month!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. Then I would do the every 4 day method in the "every 96 hour" pattern to start with and then after a couple months go to the every 72 hour pattern.

[TJA ❤️]

Ok shall do. Starting from when AF finishes? Does hubby need to release in between at all? Shall we still do the heat pack/hot shower thing too?

Thank you

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes after AF ends through whenever you are sure you've ovulated, even going straight thru till your next period begins if you aren't sure if you Oed or not.

No need to release in between, fine if he wants to tho

Hot bath/shower only to start out with that's something to drop over time if you guys don't get pregnant in a timely fashion.

[TJA ❤️]

Hey atomic!

Was wondering if you have anything to take after ovulation in the two week wait to help implantation? Just conversing al basis? Lol

Thanks
Hope you are well
Natalie :)

[atomic sagebrush]

No. Your body knows how to implant a pregnancy and for the vast majority of people (the small exception being those who have proven/diagnosed blood clotting issues) the supplements that are supposed to help with that cause more harm than good. All they are is blood thinners that have some phytoestrogens in them and no one knows (in fact, we have reason to doubt) that thin blood and phytoestrogens are in any way beneficial.

People on some websites make a lot of crazy claims to sell herbal supplements. You don't need any of that stuff unless you're under the care of a doc for a diagnosed disorder where your blood clots too easily.