Log in

View Full Version : TTC baby girl after 3 boys, Help!



Amags1
April 3rd, 2019, 03:43 PM
Hi all!

My husband and I are attempting to conceive a little girl after 3 boys! We have never swayed before, I was just under the assumption, you get what you get no matter what. Silly me!
We will both be 32 in May and live a relatively healthy lifestyle. He's active for work and I walk, pushing a stroller around 2mi-3mi per weekday. He's overweight, but physically fit (BMI 32.5) and I'm on the average to low end for my height, BMI is 19.8. He drinks a beer or two a day, sometimes more, I don't usually drink. Occasionally a glass of white wine.

We are hoping to conceive ASAP. I have about 20 days until my next ovulation. I had created my own plan based off of InGender and now seeing everything here I am BEYOND baffled. For my boys I was eating a pretty healthy diet, I had to gain weight to conceive them, meals usually consisted of red meat of some sort or grilled chicken, potatoes, veggies and always some sort of salad and typically I eat dessert. I've always eaten hot breakfast too.

I conceived my 3rd while nursing #2 and bolstering up my diet with a lot of healthy fats, avocados and so forth. I've been convinced I need to gain weight to conceive, even though I have had regular cycles. Each of the 3 boys were conceived with sex the day before and the day of ovulation so sex close to O is scary for me. We have tried O-3 for 3 months now with no success. I am also still nursing once a day at bedtime. He typically nurses for about 15 minutes, sometimes more sometimes less.

I guess what I'm looking for is what is the best thing for me to do? I'll post my plan, that now is probably completely out the window and let someone tell me what to do!

My husband is willing to do SOME things, within reason. Like I think I could get him on board with walks, he's willing to take vitamins, and he'll eat whatever I cook.

Breakfast
light meal usually wheat cereal, no sugar - I can push breakfast off, but not eating makes me very light headed and nauseous.
Lunch
Smoothie - Frozen; Strawberries, Blueberries, Pineapple, Kale, and Spinach, Chobani Greek Plain Yogurt, 1/4 c. Rolled oats, 1T. Natural Peanut Butter, Plain, Unsweetened Almond Milk as needed.
Supper
Grilled chicken with side salad and green beans
Grilled chicken on salad with Italian dressing and shredded mozzarella & parmesan cheese
Grilled chicken on buttered noodles
Grilled chicken with Organic Hellman’s Mayo, shredded cheese on wheat tortilla parmesan cheese
Scrambled eggs with cheese, chicken or plain – with or without tortilla
Drinks
Crystal Light, Water or Milk – I prefer water only
Snacks
String cheese or cottage cheese
Supplements
Nature Made Prenatal with DHA
Calcium Citrate 630mg + D3 500 IU
Cranberry pill 4200mg fruit equivalent – Dropping immediately as I am still nursing once a day
B6 100mg - I have always taken b6 as I have a shorter luteal phase, usually 11-12 days.
Magnesium 250mg
Replens???

Please pick this apart and help!

Thanks so much!

Alicia

atomic sagebrush
April 4th, 2019, 12:39 PM
Do you have totals for the diet for fat, protein, and calories?? That really helps.

I would have you drop cereal as that's the only food ever associated with more boys conceived.

if you can't get through without breakfast, then eat! We just try to extend the amount of time you go without food coming in. Do drop snacks if at all possible.

The big issue that jumps out to me is your supplements. I would have you wean off the Prenatal, the calcium citrate with D (try to find a calcium without Vit. D, as that has been a strong swayer for us).

The cranberry may sway blue and as you've already figured out, is a no-go when nursing. I took it when nursing after IG assured me it was safe and my baby ended up covered in bruises and bleeding from tiny cuts. :( (and I only took it a few days!)

B6 - 11-12 days is NOT a short LP! That is a normal LP! I strongly suggest you wean off B6 as I think it sways strongly blue (based on seeing people, myself included, have failed sways while taking it) and one other swaying site that is now defunct, had also dropped it independent of us as they thought it was making opposites.

Magnesium is at your discretion. I don't personally believe it works, but it doesn't appear to be quite as much of a dealbreeaker as the Vit. D and B6 are.

Amags1
April 4th, 2019, 01:05 PM
I'll see if I can get the diet information. I would say I'm taking in less than 1600 calories per day. I started with the smoothies a couple weeks ago, that's usually all I eat for lunch, it makes about 8-10oz, should I keep with those? It's all frozen fruit and veggies Walmart Brand, except for the chobani yogurt. I'll check the other amounts and come back with those.

Of the supplements I listed, the only ones I took with my boys was the prenatal and the b6, my luteal phase used to be 8-9 days so I have just kept up with it while trying to conceive, thinking that it was necessary. So I'll start weaning from it. What are the effects of cold turkey since I'm about 20 days out?

Is no prenatal vitamin safe? All 3 of my sons are tongue tied, the youngest has a sacral dimple - no long term effects - so it makes me somewhat nervous not to take. But, obviously I'm willing to do whatever! My husband and I both carry different genotypes for the MTHFR gene.

I have a calcium pill, but it is calcium carbonate, not sure if that does the same thing.

What kind of breakfast do you suggest? I'm not a picky eater by any means.

I dropped snacks yesterday fearing that it was giving me too much of an afternoon boost. I was DEFINITELY hungry after a 2 mile walk.

What kind of timing for intercourse do you suggest? The O-3 just wasn't working for us, and quite honestly, it is too stressful to figure out, even with our fertility monitor. I told my husband this morning, "remember when sex was fun? and not planned?" I'd rather it be a more spontaneous and enjoyable time for us. I don't mind skipping on my O, as occasionally it can take a little longer, and with 3 boys we don't always have the luxury of time.

Amags1
April 5th, 2019, 02:16 PM
Back with the diet information.

A normal day for diet looks like this:

Calories: 1300-1500
Fat: 30g-40g
Protein: 45g-55g
Carbs: 30g-45g
Sugars: 10g-15g

Amags1
April 5th, 2019, 02:32 PM
Smoothie Recipe Ingredients with Measurements

.5 serving Chunks Pineapple Great Value 35 Calories per serving

1/2 cup Blueberries Whole, Frozen Great Value 40 Calories per serving

0.66 cup Greek Nonfat Plain Yogurt Chobani 86 Calories per serving

1/4 cup dry Old Fashioned Quaker Oats 100% Whole Grain Rolled Oats The Quaker Oats, Co. 38 Calories per serving

1/4 cup Extra Fine Chopped Spinach Great Value 6 Calories per serving

1/4 cup, chopped or diced Kale Frozen, Cooked, Boiled, Drained, Without Salt 5 Calories per serving

1 tbsp All Natural Peanut Butter Smooth Great Value 100 Calories per serving

.2 serving Unsweetened Almond Milk Silk 17 Calories per serving

1.5 serving Whole Fresh Frozen Strawberries Great Value 75 Calories per serving

Nutrition facts for Smoothie

Amount per serving
Calories 401
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 10.4g 13%
Saturated Fat 1.6g 8%
Cholesterol 7mg 2%
Sodium 193mg 8%
Total Carbohydrate 55.8g 20%
Dietary Fiber 10.3g 37%
Total Sugars 27.8g
Protein 23g
Vitamin D 0mcg 1%
Calcium 464mg 36%
Iron 3mg 17%
Potassium 525mg 11%

atomic sagebrush
April 6th, 2019, 01:10 PM
Never drop any nutrients cold turkey. It isn't safe for you or for your upcoming pregnancy.

Smoothies are fine as long as you're not putting in any flaxseed or chia.

Prenatals sway blue and this is one of the better proven elements of gender swaying. Most experts agree that as long as you start a prenatal at conception (which we do) while eating a balanced diet (LE Diet is balanced and healthy nutrient range according to the World Health Organization) that is fine to wait to start them at conception. Folic acid/folate is the ONLY nutrient ever proven to prevent birth defects when taken before pregnancy for those on an otherwise balanced diet.

You would need to have ONLY folate with the MTHFR gene. NO FOLIC ACID.

Sacral dimples are likely caused by low folic acid/folate intake (your MTHFR gene may have been having an effect there) and we have you guys actually take higher than the norm on that (1200-1600 MCG for most, although I think you should talk to a doctor and see if they want you to take more. One of mine has a sacral dimple that was actually mild spina bifida, and with my subsequent pregnancies they had me take 4000 mcg)

If you really can't give up prenatals that's fine, just do the compromise 3x a week instead (or daily if you so choose)

Allegedly the calcium is supposed to be calcium citrate but there is literally no evidence that calcium citrate is better than calcium carbonate, and the evidence that calcium even sways to begin with is sketchy in the extreme.

Most people skip breakfast but if you continue, it ~may~ be better to have either pure protein or pure carbs (FOR BREAKFAST ONLY) WE don't know that for sure, but it's just speculation that it may keep blood sugar lower longer to either eat just protein or just carbs in the morning. Fine to mix them at other times of day though.

Timing doesn't sway and has been as debunked as it's possible for something in science to BE debunked. What we generally do is have one attempt at positive oPK (which is still about 36 hours before O for most people). Or if you want to boost odds of conception even more you can go to every 4 day method (unprotected sex every 72 hours or so starting after your period ends and going through till you're sure you've ovulated, even if it means going on till your next period begins.)

Amags1
April 14th, 2019, 07:14 PM
Never drop any nutrients cold turkey. It isn't safe for you or for your upcoming pregnancy.

Smoothies are fine as long as you're not putting in any flaxseed or chia.

Prenatals sway blue and this is one of the better proven elements of gender swaying. Most experts agree that as long as you start a prenatal at conception (which we do) while eating a balanced diet (LE Diet is balanced and healthy nutrient range according to the World Health Organization) that is fine to wait to start them at conception. Folic acid/folate is the ONLY nutrient ever proven to prevent birth defects when taken before pregnancy for those on an otherwise balanced diet.

You would need to have ONLY folate with the MTHFR gene. NO FOLIC ACID.

Sacral dimples are likely caused by low folic acid/folate intake (your MTHFR gene may have been having an effect there) and we have you guys actually take higher than the norm on that (1200-1600 MCG for most, although I think you should talk to a doctor and see if they want you to take more. One of mine has a sacral dimple that was actually mild spina bifida, and with my subsequent pregnancies they had me take 4000 mcg)

If you really can't give up prenatals that's fine, just do the compromise 3x a week instead (or daily if you so choose)

Allegedly the calcium is supposed to be calcium citrate but there is literally no evidence that calcium citrate is better than calcium carbonate, and the evidence that calcium even sways to begin with is sketchy in the extreme.

Most people skip breakfast but if you continue, it ~may~ be better to have either pure protein or pure carbs (FOR BREAKFAST ONLY) WE don't know that for sure, but it's just speculation that it may keep blood sugar lower longer to either eat just protein or just carbs in the morning. Fine to mix them at other times of day though.

Timing doesn't sway and has been as debunked as it's possible for something in science to BE debunked. What we generally do is have one attempt at positive oPK (which is still about 36 hours before O for most people). Or if you want to boost odds of conception even more you can go to every 4 day method (unprotected sex every 72 hours or so starting after your period ends and going through till you're sure you've ovulated, even if it means going on till your next period begins.)

I've cut out breakfast every day since your last post, and it hasn't been bad. I've continued with the same smoothie (no chia or flax) recipe for lunches. I'm now walking 4 miles 5 days/week.

Should I have any concerns with pH? My hubby is high, 8.5-9, mine has held fairly steady at 4 or there about (strips no digital monitor).

I have been having hubby release each day, I'm not sure if this is helping or hurting us.

Where can I find ideas or recipes for the alternative LE diet? I'm not sure what I'm looking for when I search.

At my last check I've lost about 2lb on the diet, and I may have a few more to spare, but not much. I was 113lb and now down to 111lb.

I have also weaned from all of the supplements, faster than I normally would have but have added 1200mg of folate.

Any other suggestions for my sway?

Thanks!

Amags1
April 14th, 2019, 07:44 PM
Also, I've been using replens every other day, slightly less sthan 1/3 of an applicator. I've read your 2 part post on replens and rephresh and now I'm completely confused. I have no idea what to do.

Amags1
April 14th, 2019, 07:48 PM
I typed up another response but it disappeared. I've since dropped breakfast and supplements, keeping with the smoothie for lunch, they don't have chia or flax. I've also lost about 2lb. And I exercise 5 days a week. Usually a 4mi walk. My husband has a pH around 8.5-9 and mine has held steady around 4-5.
Could you help with replens use and any other changes I should make?

Thanks!

Alicia

atomic sagebrush
April 15th, 2019, 10:56 AM
I typed up another response but it disappeared. I've since dropped breakfast and supplements, keeping with the smoothie for lunch, they don't have chia or flax. I've also lost about 2lb. And I exercise 5 days a week. Usually a 4mi walk. My husband has a pH around 8.5-9 and mine has held steady around 4-5.
Could you help with replens use and any other changes I should make?

Thanks!

Alicia

for some reason it activated the spam filter, I approved it and it's there now.

atomic sagebrush
April 15th, 2019, 11:10 AM
Great!

I don't think pH sways at all after seeing tons of pH opposites (including my 4th boy, who I got with pH of 4.5 that never went up till after I was already pregnant.) I have a full investigation and debunking of pH here https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

Releasing daily may sway pink, but also cuts odds of conception. Can you clarify what you mean by helping or hurting?

It's probably time to hold steady on weight loss!

There are some good alt. diet meals in this thread https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/47264-le-diet-pcos.html and even though these aren't alt-diet specific, there are good tips in them too https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/67718-time-new-le-diet-support-thread.html

atomic sagebrush
April 15th, 2019, 11:11 AM
Also, I've been using replens every other day, slightly less sthan 1/3 of an applicator. I've read your 2 part post on replens and rephresh and now I'm completely confused. I have no idea what to do.

Can you please clarify what you're confused over??

Amags1
May 15th, 2019, 02:47 PM
Great!

I don't think pH sways at all after seeing tons of pH opposites (including my 4th boy, who I got with pH of 4.5 that never went up till after I was already pregnant.) I have a full investigation and debunking of pH here https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

Releasing daily may sway pink, but also cuts odds of conception. Can you clarify what you mean by helping or hurting?

It's probably time to hold steady on weight loss!

There are some good alt. diet meals in this thread https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/47264-le-diet-pcos.html and even though these aren't alt-diet specific, there are good tips in them too https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/67718-time-new-le-diet-support-thread.htmlI'm concerned that releasing daily may not be the best option for us. That maybe we're depleting sperm or the sperm quality.

We've not had any issues getting pregnant with the 3 boys, they were all conceived with sex the day before and day of ovulation - not swaying. And to my knowledge we don't have a sperm count issue. Though I suppose we could test it.

Should we continue with daily sex? My husband doesn't seem to be up for daily. I'm fine with any kind of schedule.

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

Amags1
May 15th, 2019, 02:51 PM
Can you please clarify what you're confused over??I read the 2 part post and since my pH is already low I was wondering if I should use rephresh instead? I also have sylk.

If we use rephresh or replens what sex timing is recommended? And what usage is recommended? Should I use either rephresh or replens in combination with still?

At this point, it's our 5th month trying, we used replens with approximately 2.5 day cut off last month and it made identifying fertile mucus more difficult and I didn't get pregnant.

Thanks!

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
May 16th, 2019, 12:28 PM
Well, releasing daily DOES cut sperm numbers but we believe that to sway pink.

It doesn't hurt sperm quality, though, since the sperm is fresh.

There's no real benefit to testing sperm unless you've been trying for quite a long time.

If your husband can't do daily sex then it needs to go. Men get very easily burned out on BD patterns for swaying and it has caused lots of trouble for people.

Let me reread this thread from start to finish to give you an answer on the last question

atomic sagebrush
May 16th, 2019, 12:35 PM
Ok. When it comes to frequency the important thing is having one attempt (to start out with anyway) and as you found out, O-3 is really low chances of conception. If you still want cutoff that's fine, but do that with O-2 attempt or with attempt at first positive OPK.

Since your husband is 32, you can do the abstain if you'd like, no need for the daily release. I NEVER recommend daily unprotected sex because I think it sways blue (as explained in this thread https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/58359-what-up-bd-thru-o-pink-lately.html) Or, you can have regular sex every 2-4 days with protection (or have hubs release that often) with the one unprotected attempt, or just let him "do what he does" and then keep the one unprotected attempt.

atomic sagebrush
May 16th, 2019, 12:38 PM
I read the 2 part post and since my pH is already low I was wondering if I should use rephresh instead? I also have sylk.

If we use rephresh or replens what sex timing is recommended? And what usage is recommended? Should I use either rephresh or replens in combination with still?

At this point, it's our 5th month trying, we used replens with approximately 2.5 day cut off last month and it made identifying fertile mucus more difficult and I didn't get pregnant.

Thanks!

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

Sure, you can use RepHresh instead if you like.

Every 3 days starting after your period ends, stopping 12 -24 hours before your planned attempt.

No replens, I think it's useless. Worse than RepH at doing what it does, and worse than Sylk/Acijel at doing what they do.

oh whoops I did not see it's the 5th month before - are you ready to start boosting chances of conception?? Or would you instead like to keep the one attempt but move the cutoff closer?? 2.5 day cutoff is still quite far out and not great odds with one attempt.

Amags1
May 16th, 2019, 01:46 PM
Ok, I will give the Rephresh a try this month. I'm gearing up for ovulation any day so I won't have used it all that many times. My pH has hung out at 4-5 (not exactly sure since I'm using test strips rather than a digital), my husband's has remained constant around 8-9 even with diet and exercise. What amount of rephresh should I use? Since I have sylk is there any benefit to combining it with the rephresh? Or only using sylk or only using rephresh?

I am comfortable with the one attempt since my boys were all 3 conceived with multiple attempts before and on Ovulation Day (we're Catholic and use Natural Family Planning - Symptothermal Method for charting temps and mucus) so I'm confident in my ovulation days. I have an older ClearBlue Fertility Monitor I use as well, would you suggest our unprotected attempt be on the first Peak reading? Based off of my charting that seems to be about 2 days before ovulation. I really would like to get pregnant sooner rather than later, but also would LOVE for my pregnancy to result in a girl, so I'm attempting to remain patient. If you were in my position, what would you do? (I'm sure this is your most common, least favorite question to answer!) :wink:

I appreciate your help!

Amags1
May 17th, 2019, 08:10 AM
Help!! I think we messed up, I swore my fertility monitor would read peak today based on my fertile signs, it said high again, but we'd already BD'd. I put in about half of the rephresh yesterday and our BD was about 15hr after the rephresh. USUALLY I have a peak fertility monitor reading and ovulate 2 days after the first peak. So at this point I'm still probably 3ish days from ovulation based on 5 previous cycles.

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

Amags1
May 17th, 2019, 05:40 PM
My OPK peaked at about 3:30pm, so an hour ago or so. Last month we BD once at peak and didn't end up pregnant. I know multiple times sways boy, but I'm afraid our attempt is too early now. What do we do? Am I just out for the month?

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
May 20th, 2019, 02:05 PM
Oh gosh I'm sorry I only just now saw this!

1)It's ok to only use RepHresh a couple times or even once. Yes you can combine Sylk nd RepHresh, they are said to complement each other and

2)I always recommend one attempt at peak and since you'd been doing cutoff, I'd like to see you have at least 1-2 months with one attempt at peak before adding attempts.

3)Whatever you did was the right thing to do, but if this ever happens again, what my rule of thumb is in this scenario is that for best odds of pink, stick with the attempt you've had, for better chance conception, add attempt. I typically have you guys stick with the attempt if you get the pos OPK within 2 days, add attempt if it's four days or more later, and in the 3 day zone, go with whichever option is more important - pink or conceiving.

So I would have had you stick with the attempt you'd had, but it is not a dealbreaker if you had another one.

Amags1
May 20th, 2019, 02:23 PM
Totally ok, you're only human! :)

As you saw from my other post I had my highest peak at about 11pm Friday night. We had already BD Friday morning, so I'm afraid it won't be the BEST timing ever. We also ended up BD Sunday afternoon and I had put in rephresh about 20min before that. At this point, it seems all I can do is pray and hope for the best! Based on my temps I'm suspecting I ovulated Saturday at some point, so our Sunday attempt might be O+12, while I know that in combination it sways boy, I hope we get lucky, that's all we have to go on at this point! My diet and exercise have been decent, not the greatest. My pH has hung out at 4 or so, even though that's not always a guarantee either... I have been using a salt lamp and lavender along with a couple other wives tales, just for my own piece of mind.

If I don't end up pregnant this month we will wait for the one attempt at positive OPK, and I will toss that darned digital stick I was using. This is the second month it has thrown me for a loop. It seems to pick up the surge a day or more earlier than the monitor I'm using. I'm not sure which is better to use anyway.

Thank you for your help! I'll keep you posted!

atomic sagebrush
May 20th, 2019, 02:43 PM
Good luck and yes please let me know how it's going and if you need anything!

Amags1
May 21st, 2019, 02:57 PM
Good luck and yes please let me know how it's going and if you need anything!Slight panic, does rephresh kill sperm? Since I put it in so close to BD Sunday, would they have just been "useless"? It was probably 15-20min beforehand, so relatively no time.

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
May 22nd, 2019, 02:49 PM
Yes, it can kill sperm but is nowhere near strong enough to act as a spermicide or anything.

I recommend putting it in no sooner than 8 hours before BD, and more liek 12-24 has better results for conception.

Amags1
May 22nd, 2019, 02:52 PM
Yes, it can kill sperm but is nowhere near strong enough to act as a spermicide or anything.

I recommend putting it in no sooner than 8 hours before BD, and more liek 12-24 has better results for conception.Ok, whew. Even though we didn't need the attempt and it was on ovulation day, I was hoping it didn't go to complete waste. I really would love to have a daughter, but have to be ok with a 4th and final being a boy too. Thanks again!

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

Amags1
May 29th, 2019, 01:37 PM
Well, looking like we'll be back to it next month, approximately 10-12 days passed ovulation and the sensitive wondfo hcg test was a big fat nothing this morning.

What now? Should we do something more rhythmic rather than the one shot at positive OPK?

This month based on my body temp I ovulated the day before my OPK said peak, which based on mucus and other symptoms would make perfect sense and I wouldn't second guess it if I weren't using OPKs, if that's the case it'd also make me 13dpo.

We tried replens last month, rephresh this month, so I hesitate to use it much more. My pH hangs around 5 through my cycle, even though you've said that doesn't seem to matter.

My weight has stayed steady at 111lb, I'm 5'3 and I walk 3+ miles a day, plus chase 3 rowdy boys!

What do we do now? I'm worried something more is wrong since we've gotten pregnant so easily until now.

Any advice is appreciated. Thank you!

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
May 29th, 2019, 01:48 PM
Well, it depends on what you want but my gut is for you to do the exact same thing and not use the RepHresh so close to BD. I kind of feel like you didn't quite give one attempt a good try since the RepHresh was pretty close to when you had sex. I would have you drop RepHresh.

Do you have a chart?

We may know more about when you actually ovulated when AF arrives.

But that having been said if you prefer to go to e4d now to guard against early ovulation that's fine, I do want more info to see if you actually did O early because it may not be true. Sometimes temps are one-off flukes and don't necessarily mean you ovulated when you think and it may be that the OPK was correct and the temps weren't.

Amags1
May 29th, 2019, 01:51 PM
I do, I have a chart for each month. We've used it for both birth control and ttc since we're Catholic, no barrier methods here. Would it be better to see all of them?

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

Amags1
May 29th, 2019, 02:04 PM
41599

This is the cycle that started 4-28-19, I can post the other 4 as well, if that would help.

Amags1
May 29th, 2019, 02:11 PM
41600416014160241603 The last chart is my first postpartum chart, I did not have a period before January.

atomic sagebrush
May 30th, 2019, 04:28 PM
41599

This is the cycle that started 4-28-19, I can post the other 4 as well, if that would help.

So when did the OPK come in relation to when you got the crosshairs?

HAve you gotten AF yet and if so how many DPO?

Amags1
June 3rd, 2019, 01:53 PM
AF started yesterday 6/2, so approximately 13-14dpo. I had the positive OPK on Friday May 17 first peak was at 3:30pm, tested again at 10:30pm and it was even higher. I still had loads of ewcm Sunday morning, but by bedtime Sunday May 19 it was drying up. I would suspect ovulation was Sunday just based on all of my symptoms, I had significantly less mucus on Monday 20th, then almost dry Tuesday 21st. I did wean my youngest in that same week (week of May 20). So I'm guessing that could count for the goofiness of it all.

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
June 4th, 2019, 12:46 PM
Ok. So given all that I think your OPK was correct and not your temp.

Amags1
June 4th, 2019, 09:09 PM
I agree. So in looking at my OPKs, I start getting a darker line on those before I get a peak on my CB fertility monitor. IF we stick with one BD, should we aim for the peak with the OPK or peak on the monitor? I have consistently had a temp shift and mucus change the day after the 2nd peak.

I'm KIND OF thinking about doing e4d, and once at the positive OPK depending on where it falls in the e4d pattern. I'm at a loss. We've had good timing the last 2 months, but I have used rephresh or replens so I'm suspecting it might be making me just too acidic.

Where do we go from here? I'm at a loss. It's never been this hard for us to get pregnant.

Thanks again for helping me. I really appreciate it!

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
June 5th, 2019, 12:03 PM
Peak with whichever one goes to peak first.

I would really suggest first trying without the jellies but still with one attempt. You can also do the compromise version where you have the one attempt at pos OPK, and then after that do e4d to guard against delayed ovulation.

I hate to see you go straight to e4d plus one without giving it a try without the jelly and with the e4d. It's your call but I see too many people drop sway tactics all at once instead of gradually.

Amags1
June 18th, 2019, 01:39 PM
So we've dropped the gels this month, diet has been ok, I've had red meat here and there, exercise has been sporadic, but my stress level is VERY high.

I am taking a couple of supplements, 4200mg fruit equivalent of cranberry, calcium citrate, magnesium and maca root. I thought I might try these again since I weaned in May, this will be my first full cycle without nursing.

What would your frequency suggestion be? It's pretty important for us to get pregnant this month since we have been trying since January. We've not stuck with e4d, we have had sex once in 17 days, should we keep with the abstinence until peak in the next few days? Then do e4d in case of delayed ovulation?

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

Amags1
June 18th, 2019, 01:41 PM
Correction, sex twice in 17 days.

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
June 18th, 2019, 04:10 PM
I can't ever recommend maca for anyone. WE don't know how it sways or if it's safe and we've had some really bizarre side effects.

I would have you do e4d from here on in and then add in an additional attempt at positive OPK for best odds of conception.

But if you prefer, you can try the abstain, one attempt at pos, and then go to e4d if you'd like.

Amags1
July 7th, 2019, 05:24 PM
I ended up ovulation around CD 22.

I wanted to update since it's taking us a bit to get pregnant this time. (We're headed to month the #8) We made a doctor's appointment and had blood work June 26
7th and found that my FSH to LH ratio is off, about FSH at 5.5 and LH at 14.6. Doctor now wants me to have an ultrasound to check for cysts or abnormalities. Suspecting PCOS.

Can we still sway if I have PCOS? Anything I should change? Supplements?

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
July 8th, 2019, 09:59 PM
OH I know that doesn't sound like it, but it's actually good news because you have a clear reason for what is going on.

EVen if you don't have PCOS proper you should still change your diet in a more pink-friendly way. Up protein and fat to 50-60 g each but stay in calorie range. Use whole grains instead of white refined grains. Eliminate sugar. Have full fat dairy ONLY, no skim and no milk replacers.

And we want you to exercise some even if you can't get up to the full 60 6-7 amount. The benefits to blood sugar are so great for PCOSers that even if it's only moderate, anyone with full blown PCOS will really benefit from it.
I only give supplements to PCOSers with pretty severe PCOS. Let's wait and hear what the doc has to say.

Amags1
July 31st, 2019, 09:51 PM
No PCOS!! Thank goodness. But one tube is completely blocked and the other is almost completely blocked. Doc wants to try two times and if we're not pregnant, he'd like to do a laparoscopy. [emoji22] I'm pretty bummed. Because I just know the hsg test didn't clear anything out and I have to wait another 2+ months before we can even do the surgery. IF we even do it.

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
August 1st, 2019, 02:44 PM
Oh no I'm so sorry to hear that - but it is treatable.

Do you want to change anything to do with swaying for upping odds of conception?

Amags1
August 1st, 2019, 03:41 PM
Yes! For sure, I have been lax on everything since we weren't getting pregnant. I guess where is the best thing to start?

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
August 1st, 2019, 03:59 PM
Tell me everything you did that may have been impinging on conception. not so much diet but anything that could be preventing sperm from meeting egg, or recucing sperm count.

Amags1
September 8th, 2019, 04:25 PM
Well, I'm not sure. We were trying the daily release, hubs got burned out, we tried once, hubs hated that, and I did too.

I found out both of my fallopian tubes were entangled with scar tissue, and I've now had surgery to hopefully remove and repair all of that.

We have been cleared to try for Sept. I'm skipping breakfast, thinking I should do the LE diet? I just don't know where to start.

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
September 9th, 2019, 03:20 PM
I would have you guys do every 4 day method. Unprotected sex every 72 hours starting after AF ends (or you get the all clear) and going all the way through till you're sure you've ovulated, even if it means going through until BFP or your period starts.

If you want to start LE Diet that's fine, obviously it will be short notice if you plan to try in Sept. LE Diet is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/16780-low-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html

Amags1
September 17th, 2019, 08:05 AM
I've been mildly doing the LE diet, skipping breakfast and watching input loosely since we've been TTC for so long. I've buckled down significantly again.

I should ovulate towards the end of this week. My pH is low, my BMI is 19, my husband's pH is around 8.5. I can't help but wonder if his higher pH doesn't play a role.
Also, all boys have been conceived with intercourse day before and day of ovulation, so we'll do the opposite of that!

So with the 72 hours, we had intercourse this morning (9/16) we would again on 9/20, correct? What if we get a peak OPK in between now and then?

Thanks!

Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

atomic sagebrush
September 17th, 2019, 01:30 PM
What do you mean by "the opposite of that"?

Please no more weight loss - you're already at the point where I have people hold steady.

Every 72 hours would be 9/16 and 9/19. It doesn't matter how many hours between really. We're just going for sex every 4th day, and when I say "72 hours" it's simply to explain to people how to count the hours.

If you get a peak OPK in between, you have a choice to make. For best odds of pink, you'd stick with e4d and not add an attempt. For better chance of conception, possibly a lower chance of pink you'd have anohter attempt. Your choice to make depending on what your preference is. :)

Midwestmiss
December 15th, 2019, 02:19 PM
Amags- any update? My story is eerily similar to yours- three boys, Catholic NFP, tubes blocked (mine due to endo), etc.