First attempt

[Prayingforagirl67]

I hoping someone can give me some advice, my husband and I had our first attempt on Monday, I had a spike in temperature so We figured on a whim that we’d give it a go this month instead of having our first attempt in June. I know that cramping doesn’t necessarily mean ovulation but I also had a spike in temp yesterday and am now wondering if we missed the egg. This is my first time temping so I’m not even sure if I’m doing this right.

What I’m wondering is if we should go ahead and have another attempt tonight or just wait it out and see what happens. I’m really kicking myself and wish I would have used OPKs this month. I definitely don’t trust myself enough to know if I actually caught the egg or not, but his month was really on a whim.

Thanks I’m advanced :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, have another attempt. I like you guys to do at least 1-2 rounds of e4d after the one attempt in case of delayed O. Nothing will be left from Monday.

[Prayingforagirl67]

Thank you! Is e4d worse result wise then the one attempt at pos OPK? Or do they both have similar results?

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! Is e4d worse result wise then the one attempt at pos OPK? Or do they both have similar results?

We can't compare them because I only have people go to e4d after they've tried one attempt. So the e4d people are those who have been swaying quite a bit longer and could not get pregnant with just one attempt. The people who get pregnant with one attempt are usually highly fertile (which may sway blue) and have been on diet a shorter amount of time.

[Prayingforagirl67]

We can't compare them because I only have people go to e4d after they've tried one attempt. So the e4d people are those who have been swaying quite a bit longer and could not get pregnant with just one attempt. The people who get pregnant with one attempt are usually highly fertile (which may sway blue) and have been on diet a shorter amount of time.

Oh boy, we just started to try this month, so I probably should’ve only did the one attempt. With my last sway my husband and I only had one attempt and conceived on our first try. I guess at this point there’s no point in worrying about it. If we didn’t conceive this month should I just do the one attempt at pos OPK? I’m guessing E4d still gets good results with swaying pink? I’m not sure if I’m super fertile or not, with my son we went on months and months and months without conceiving with a super blue friendly lifestyle, to the point that I didn’t think I was able to have kids (young and dumb) and with my second pregnancy, it was on our first try with a super pink friendly lifestyle.

[atomic sagebrush]

Totally up to you. It's all whatever you think is best option for you.

I do think e4d can work, but I just have higher confidence in one attempt.

[Prayingforagirl67]

Totally up to you. It's all whatever you think is best option for you.

I do think e4d can work, but I just have higher confidence in one attempt.

I’m definitely going to go for the one attempt if we didn’t conceive this month. We had 106 hrs between our two attempts. I’m hoping if I get a positive that the E4d didn’t totally ruin my sway!

[atomic sagebrush]

106 hours is what I consider one attempt still. :)

[Prayingforagirl67]

106 hours is what I consider one attempt still. :)

Oh awesome! So with this should be continue to dtd in that order? Is a week before your period too late to ovulate?

[atomic sagebrush]

Sure!

Yes a week before you normally get your period would be too late to ovulate but your ovulation can be delayed. In that case, you'd simply get your period later. It's fairly unusual to o only 7 days before AF arrives...not unheard of, but rare.

[Prayingforagirl67]

Sure!

Yes a week before you normally get your period would be too late to ovulate but your ovulation can be delayed. In that case, you'd simply get your period later. It's fairly unusual to o only 7 days before AF arrives...not unheard of, but rare.

I am so kicking myself for not using a OPK, I’m so impatient and don’t like knowing if I caught the egg or not. I keep testing and getting bfn, and then getting discouraged. Meanwhile I don’t even know how many dpo I am.

I haven’t had a late period since the one right after having c diff. My cycles actually have become very normal since swaying. They’re short (for me) I went from having a 32-34 day cycle to 28-29!

[atomic sagebrush]

That's actually not unusual, lots of people report that! Keep me posted.

[Prayingforagirl67]

I am so freaking out, I had two very faint positives, from Tuesday night and Wednesday morning with FRER. Today I took a dollar tree test (not with fmu) and it was negative. I don’t know what could be going on. I don’t know if maybe I ovulated later then I think and it’s too early for a dollar store rest to pick it up or what. All I know is as of now I’m going nuts!

[Prayingforagirl67]

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I know it looks colorless in this picture but in person I swear it’s pink. I asked my husband if he saw it and he definitely did. This was the first one I took at night (on the 28th, my period was due yesterday). The second one I took with fmu the next morning was very similar, maybe a tad lighter. Then today I took one not with fmu and about an hour after drinking orange juice was totally negative (dollar store)

I also want to add that this line popped up in the time frame that you should read a test, it wasn’t after it dried. I want to say it was there in a minute, 2 minutes tops!

[Prayingforagirl67]

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This is my most recent test (diluted I guess since I’ve been drinking) a little under 48 hours later. I don’t know if it’s still super early due to me possibly ovulating later or if I should prepare for the worst. To me in person this one looks a tiny darker then the first, but I’ve seen peoples test get sooo much darker from one day to the next. Sorry if I’m being super pest like, I’m just wigging myself out.

[atomic sagebrush]

It is normal for the tests to dance back and forth from positive to negative at this stage. This idea that everyone will see this perfect progression of test lines from faint to darker just isn't true and you guys cause yourselves undue stress expecting that. For every person that has that happen, 10 others don't and worry themselves sick over it. Over time of course we do want to see them getting darker (on average!) and also we never want to see a test go from super dark to barely there, but otherwise that is totally normal.

A positive is a positive and until you get a negative test AND AF, you're pregnant! Huge congrats!!

[4blue2pink]

i can clearly see a pink line in your last photo :D Congratulations!! if its any help my tests dont go dark till way after af is due xx

[Prayingforagirl67]

Thank you both for the responses. While I was in fact pregnant it seems that this pregnancy is ending in loss too. I went to the ER after I started to bleed and my level was at a 4. The dr did not say I was in fact miscarrying, but he did say I need to have my levels rechecked Monday. I’m having heavy bleeding and am in a lot of pain and am overall just feeling very defeated. This is my second miscarriage, I surely did not think going in to this that I’d have a second consecutive loss.
I’m so afraid at this point to get pregnant again, and honestly am not sure where to go from here.

[ruupau]

Thank you both for the responses. While I was in fact pregnant it seems that this pregnancy is ending in loss too. I went to the ER after I started to bleed and my level was at a 4. The dr did not say I was in fact miscarrying, but he did say I need to have my levels rechecked Monday. I’m having heavy bleeding and am in a lot of pain and am overall just feeling very defeated. This is my second miscarriage, I surely did not think going in to this that I’d have a second consecutive loss.
I’m so afraid at this point to get pregnant again, and honestly am not sure where to go from here.So sorry prayingforagirl, feeling for you so hurtful

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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh no I'm so sorry - how many days after ovulation is this?

[Prayingforagirl67]

Oh no I'm so sorry - how many days after ovulation is this?

Thank you atomic. To be honest I have no clue! We did e4d with no tracking. The dr said if my numbers went up then I’m fine and that some people bleed in their first trimester, and that my numbers could possibly be off, but I bled so much, with clots that I don’t even know if that’s possible. I don’t know if he felt that way because my cervix was closed? I guess I’ll find out Wednesday for sure.

[Prayingforagirl67]

So sorry prayingforagirl, feeling for you so hurtful

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Thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you atomic. To be honest I have no clue! We did e4d with no tracking. The dr said if my numbers went up then I’m fine and that some people bleed in their first trimester, and that my numbers could possibly be off, but I bled so much, with clots that I don’t even know if that’s possible. I don’t know if he felt that way because my cervix was closed? I guess I’ll find out Wednesday for sure.

I had a full 5 day period (heavier than my normal one) with clots and came out of it with a healthy 8 lb baby 9 months later. I know it's hard to believe but bleeding even heavy bleeding doesn't always mean a sad ending. FXFXFX for good news.

[Prayingforagirl67]

I had a full 5 day period (heavier than my normal one) with clots and came out of it with a healthy 8 lb baby 9 months later. I know it's hard to believe but bleeding even heavy bleeding doesn't always mean a sad ending. FXFXFX for good news.

How I am hoping so so hard that, that is the case for me! I just want a sticky bean!! I don’t feel too confident about it, I took another pregnancy test and it was very much negative. I hope by some grace or higher power or whatever that I am still pregnant. Thank you for your support and kindness right now!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, a negative test right now is not encouraging. :heart: I would start thinking about next month to be honest, I'm so sorry.

[Prayingforagirl67]

Yes, a negative test right now is not encouraging. :heart: I would start thinking about next month to be honest, I'm so sorry.

Yes, we’re moving forward now. My midwife really strongly feels I had a chemical, I do need to repeat bloodwork but she seemed pretty certain. And in my heart or hearts I knew it too, with both losses I just felt something off and in my gut knew it wasn’t going to last. I want to move forward and sway but maybe a little lighter? I’m feeling really discouraged even though I know these things happen and it’s often inevitable and to no fault of my own most likely.
My midwife recommended me taking a prenatal, I was wondering if I do how strongly would it effect my sway? At this point I just want a healthy pregnancy, even though I’d love it to be a girl I feel as though I should just be thankful to go on and have a healthy pregnancy that’s lasts. I’ve been eating a very nutrient dense diet for the past twoish weeks. I plan on getting back on LE but maybe not so intense. I don’t struggle with staying within my calorie limit it’s mostly just protein. Fat I can stay in no issue what so ever it seems.
I was also wondering, does decaf coffee have the same effects as regular while swaying pink?

[atomic sagebrush]

OH yes I completely agree it's a chemical, sorry if something I said led you to think I was arguing. So sorry. :heart:

Was this not your first month swaying? Or am I confused about something. Can you elaborate on what you mean by swaying a little lighter?

How much protein are you eating?? Are you counting the miniscule amounts of protein in fruits and vegetables? If so, don't, they are free for protein and fat. You guys can always increase protein (or fat) in 5 g increments as needed (so instead of 60 g, go to 65, that kind of thing)

I really strongly urge you not to take a prenatal. Prenatals are what doctors and midwives recommend after a chemical to make you think you're doing something but folic acid is the only nutrient shown to prevent losses. It's of course up to you, and some do get girls without them, but I hate to see anyone undermine their sway when

We believe (not 100% sure) that it's something in coffee itself and not caffeine that sways. Several people have used decaf coffee and seemed to get good results with it.

[Girls Mom 2]

OH yes I completely agree it's a chemical, sorry if something I said led you to think I was arguing. So sorry. [emoji813]

Was this not your first month swaying? Or am I confused about something. Can you elaborate on what you mean by swaying a little lighter?

How much protein are you eating?? Are you counting the miniscule amounts of protein in fruits and vegetables? If so, don't, they are free for protein and fat. You guys can always increase protein (or fat) in 5 g increments as needed (so instead of 60 g, go to 65, that kind of thing)

I really strongly urge you not to take a prenatal. Prenatals are what doctors and midwives recommend after a chemical to make you think you're doing something but folic acid is the only nutrient shown to prevent losses. It's of course up to you, and some do get girls without them, but I hate to see anyone undermine their sway when

We believe (not 100% sure) that it's something in coffee itself and not caffeine that sways. Several people have used decaf coffee and seemed to get good results with it.hey atomic., i messaged u did u get it??

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[Prayingforagirl67]

OH yes I completely agree it's a chemical, sorry if something I said led you to think I was arguing. So sorry. :heart:

Was this not your first month swaying? Or am I confused about something. Can you elaborate on what you mean by swaying a little lighter?

How much protein are you eating?? Are you counting the miniscule amounts of protein in fruits and vegetables? If so, don't, they are free for protein and fat. You guys can always increase protein (or fat) in 5 g increments as needed (so instead of 60 g, go to 65, that kind of thing)

I really strongly urge you not to take a prenatal. Prenatals are what doctors and midwives recommend after a chemical to make you think you're doing something but folic acid is the only nutrient shown to prevent losses. It's of course up to you, and some do get girls without them, but I hate to see anyone undermine their sway when

We believe (not 100% sure) that it's something in coffee itself and not caffeine that sways. Several people have used decaf coffee and seemed to get good results with it.

Oh no not at all,I didn’t think you were arguing at all. I was just confirming what you were saying about trying next month❤️ I got a different answer from the ER doctor that led me to believe I could still go on to have a healthy pregnancy and not be miscarrying, but I felt that was not the case deep down (it was kind of false hope)

I stopped counting the protein in the veg and fruit but have been counting it in the whole grains, which always puts me over. I started my sway again in February of this year, this was our first attempt with this round of swaying, I stopped swaying after my first miscarriage in 2018 after a good 6 month sway that ended in a loss also.
The calories have never been an issue for me at all, i can stick within them, I think the main thing is I seem to un intentionally go over in my protein by quite a bit and then really beat myself up over it, the only way I don’t do that is by meticulously track. The highest my protein gets to is around 80 grams, which I know is still low for my weight and height but wasn’t quite sure if it was too much in terms of swaying.

I’ll skip the prenatal, I didn’t take any when I had my son so I don’t think I need them initially to stay pregnant. I’ll stick with the folic acid.

That’s great, I can definitely stick with decaf then, I didn’t realize how much caffeine was in a Starbucks coffee so I wanted to stop drinking the regular coffee.

Is waiting until next month enough time from a swaying standpoint, being I was only off diet for about two weeks?

[atomic sagebrush]

hey atomic., i messaged u did u get it??

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Messages are not a good way to get ahold of me. I get a lot of them and most of them are simply things people already posted in the forum. I have to weed through them and so I end up putting them off longer. I prefer questions in the forums but I will check them when I have a chance.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh ok gotcha, thanks for clarifying.

Tell me about what you're eating for protein, fat, and calories (roughly, you dont' have to go into too much detail) Just trying to figure out why you're having such a hard time sticking in limits and seeing if there's something we can easily change.

You don't need to wait. You can try as soon as you're ready. That time off diet is not important for most people and the loss will counteract that.

[Girls Mom 2]

Messages are not a good way to get ahold of me. I get a lot of them and most of them are simply things people already posted in the forum. I have to weed through them and so I end up putting them off longer. I prefer questions in the forums but I will check them when I have a chance.okay i undersrand.. so ill share all of it on a forum. thanks

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[atomic sagebrush]

okay i undersrand.. so ill share all of it on a forum. thanks

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No it's ok, I'll answer this time via PM, just so you know in the future. I"m replying now!

[Prayingforagirl67]

Oh ok gotcha, thanks for clarifying.

Tell me about what you're eating for protein, fat, and calories (roughly, you dont' have to go into too much detail) Just trying to figure out why you're having such a hard time sticking in limits and seeing if there's something we can easily change.

You don't need to wait. You can try as soon as you're ready. That time off diet is not important for most people and the loss will counteract that.

My protein comes from eggs, chicken or turkey and occasionally tofu and cottage cheese
Fat I get from things like ranch, Italian dressing and mayo
I eat mostly veggies with some grains, usually just whole grain bread or whole wheat bread for a sandwich

Being that I’m on the PCOS diet I really try to limit carbs from breads/rice but I do eat some to up calories.

I think it’s mainly not knowing how many carbs I could have daily. I don’t know if it’s better to have more protein or more carbs on this version of the diet.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're going over, the best way to go is to cut back on chicken and turkey and eat more eggs, dairy, legumes and nuts.

There is no set amount of carbs on this form of the diet. That's because there is too wide a range of dietary needs that are covered with variations of this type of diet. For instance, a person who weighed 100 lbs and was on the diet due to mild PCO would have totally different carb needs than someone who was on it due to severe PCOS and had weight to spare.

Can you please refresh my memory about why you were on the alternate diet? If it was just a preventative measure then I'd have you up calories from fruit, veg, and whole grains since proteins have very few calories for a lot of protein!

[Prayingforagirl67]

If you're going over, the best way to go is to cut back on chicken and turkey and eat more eggs, dairy, legumes and nuts.

There is no set amount of carbs on this form of the diet. That's because there is too wide a range of dietary needs that are covered with variations of this type of diet. For instance, a person who weighed 100 lbs and was on the diet due to mild PCO would have totally different carb needs than someone who was on it due to severe PCOS and had weight to spare.

Can you please refresh my memory about why you were on the alternate diet? If it was just a preventative measure then I'd have you up calories from fruit, veg, and whole grains since proteins have very few calories for a lot of protein!


Ok, that makes sense! I’m never sure which way to go because I’m on the diet because I do have quite a bit of weight to spare (which is why I’m on the alt diet) I’m ok with cutting meat out and just having tofu, which isn’t too carb heavy (I don’t think) or having a bit of meat and mostly sticking to whole grains dairy and veg. I think I’m mostly having a hard time finding a happy medium on if I should have more meat (not like boy sway) or having more grains and veggies.When I had my ultrasound they told me I didn’t have any cysts on my ovaries, would that verify that I don’t have PCOS?

[atomic sagebrush]

It doens't matter if you have PCOS, your weight indicates you need to be on this type of diet. It has to do with the way your blood sugar works and not if you have actual full blown PCO or not.

Let your weight loss be your guide. If weight is flying off, up carbs, if it's not, up protein and fat in 5g increments (effectively cutting carbs) till it picks up to the pace you want it at. There is no set right or wrong, it's about what works for YOU.

[Prayingforagirl67]

It doens't matter if you have PCOS, your weight indicates you need to be on this type of diet. It has to do with the way your blood sugar works and not if you have actual full blown PCO or not.

Let your weight loss be your guide. If weight is flying off, up carbs, if it's not, up protein and fat in 5g increments (effectively cutting carbs) till it picks up to the pace you want it at. There is no set right or wrong, it's about what works for YOU.

Ok, that makes sense, I’ll just let my weight loss guide me with diet. I started back on diet yesterday as well as excersizing and am taking it slow and not freaking out if it’s not perfect.
Do you know about how long after bleeding stops you ovulate again? Hubby and I couldn’t wait the full two weeks to dtd, and we had a little bit of an accident. (I’m sorry for the tmi, I’m embarrassed that it happened, I feel like a teenager again pull out fail) I know they say to wait a full cycle before trying (not that we were trying as it is) my loss was super early, do I need to worry about anything infection wise?

[atomic sagebrush]

When you ovulate has nothing to do with when your bleeding stops. They are completely unrelated to each other. Your lining regrows 2/5 to 3/5 while you're still actively bleeding and then can grow the rest of the way very very quickly (even within a day or two) under the influence of the hormones that trigger ovulation. People can and DO get pregnant while still bleeding from a period.

Most people can try the cycle after a loss if the loss was early. There isn't the risk of infection because the pregnancy wasn't fully implanted.

[Prayingforagirl67]

When you ovulate has nothing to do with when your bleeding stops. They are completely unrelated to each other. Your lining regrows 2/5 to 3/5 while you're still actively bleeding and then can grow the rest of the way very very quickly (even within a day or two) under the influence of the hormones that trigger ovulation. People can and DO get pregnant while still bleeding from a period.

Most people can try the cycle after a loss if the loss was early. There isn't the risk of infection because the pregnancy wasn't fully implanted.

Wow! I didn’t realize how fast of a process it is, for an early loss at least. I figured if I waited a few more days I wouldn’t have even realized I was pregnant and would have tried again the next time I ovulated.
I’m not concerned on getting pregnant, being that is the goal after all, I was more worried about infection or any issues there could be. Good to know there’s no risk for a early loss.
Thank you for the info!

[atomic sagebrush]

Exactly, and keep in mind most people in history did not have early preg tests and had no idea they were pregnant with chemicals and very early losses.

[Prayingforagirl67]

Exactly, and keep in mind most people in history did not have early preg tests and had no idea they were pregnant with chemicals and very early losses.

My husband and I were actually saying that loss is probably a lot more common then it is thought to be by confirmed losses! It makes so much sense!!

I also want to ask, my husband and I are still doing the E4d method (more like 96-102 hrs) bd pattern, were not expecting to get pg this cycle, but i still find myself panicking that I’ve been off diet (and really eating a HE diet for the past 2 -3 ish weeks) and gained a little weight. do you think that time would off set my sway a ton? I wasn’t sure if we should just skip this month and actively try in July even though we did have an unprotected attempt

[atomic sagebrush]

It really, really is. Until very recently (even in my fertile lifespan) we didn't have the ability to test for pregnancy so early (you should see the test we used with my oldest boy - it had little test tubes and eyedroppers and stuff LOL). It's believed people have early losses quite regularly and always have and just never knew about it in the past.

I can't ever tell you guys whether or not to try. What you have to ask yourself is, if you'll live 1000 lifetimes of regret if you try this month and conceive an opposite, BUT you have to ask yourself that keeping in mind that for all we know you may have a great chance this cycle and may have a worse chance in the future - we just can't know, and I think we sometimes outwit ourselves by putting so much pressure on ourselves to try only in "a perfect" month since the reality is we cannot ever know when that is. What we see about swaying is miniscule, like a tiny piece of an iceberg sticking up above the water.

[Prayingforagirl67]

It really, really is. Until very recently (even in my fertile lifespan) we didn't have the ability to test for pregnancy so early (you should see the test we used with my oldest boy - it had little test tubes and eyedroppers and stuff LOL). It's believed people have early losses quite regularly and always have and just never knew about it in the past.

I can't ever tell you guys whether or not to try. What you have to ask yourself is, if you'll live 1000 lifetimes of regret if you try this month and conceive an opposite, BUT you have to ask yourself that keeping in mind that for all we know you may have a great chance this cycle and may have a worse chance in the future - we just can't know, and I think we sometimes outwit ourselves by putting so much pressure on ourselves to try only in "a perfect" month since the reality is we cannot ever know when that is. What we see about swaying is miniscule, like a tiny piece of an iceberg sticking up above the water.

My mother in law told me she had a pregnancy test just like that one! Lol It’s insane to think of how often that probably happens. Next time around I’m definitely not going to be testing until 5-7 days after my period is due. I’d almost rather not know I’m pregnant if it’s going to end up being a chemical or super early loss. What you don’t know can’t hurt you.

At this point we made our attempt and what is done will be done. I only really worry about the little bit of weight I gained, I’m hoping it’s not enough to have swayed boy, or if it was, that the loss will almost wipe that out and make it an even playing ground lol
I’m trying to not worry about it, I had a few off weeks but I had more good weeks in total. At the end I want a pregnancy that will be healthy and get a baby at the end of it. What will be will be, I did my best, and can’t think of it as a game that if I play to the T will 100% yield the results I want.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's always been my philosophy, not only due to the chemical possibility, but also because people get terribly upset over negative tests that will be positive had they only waited a few days! People get soo upset over negatives on 7,8,9 DPO and then give up, miss their period, and are pregnant anyway! It just makes the most sense to me to wait till you can know for sure either way.

The weight loss/gain has not been terribly predictive of whose sways work and whose don't. Good luck and pink dust!

[Prayingforagirl67]

That's always been my philosophy, not only due to the chemical possibility, but also because people get terribly upset over negative tests that will be positive had they only waited a few days! People get soo upset over negatives on 7,8,9 DPO and then give up, miss their period, and are pregnant anyway! It just makes the most sense to me to wait till you can know for sure either way.

The weight loss/gain has not been terribly predictive of whose sways work and whose don't. Good luck and pink dust!

The wait is killer but at this point I’d rather wait it out, although the symptom spotting has been killer! Lol