Who else will TTC pink later this year?

[Fiya]

Hi ladies,

I have had my mirena removed yesterday and also started LE diet yesterday. Who else has will start TTC pink later this year and would like to talk a bit on this thread to keep each other motivated?

This is actually my second pink sway and I think skipping breakfast really is the most difficult part. I LOVE my breakfast with fortified cereals, which is maybe the reason I have two boys :bigsmile:

I would lovvvve to hear from you ladies and in the meantime, I'm impatiently waiting for my lunch :cool:

RECAP:

Fiya, 33 y, France
Boy (8), Boy (6), Girl (2)
On LE, TTC in September

Ginger, 31, Canada,
2 boys (4 and 2)
Vegetarian LE diet & exercise, TTC in September possibly

HopingForHairbows, 35, USA,
4 boys (no swaying), 1 girl (successful sway), 1 miscarriage (unknown sex, did not sway)
Vegan LE diet, Femara & exercise, TTC in October!

itsallaboutthepink, 33, UK
Girl (2)
Late miscarriage @20 weeks (Boy)
On LE & breastfeeding
TTC this month!!! (July)

Laurelw, 29y, AUS
Boy, Boy, Girl (successful sway)
Have been on LE diet for 2.5 months now, will be having our first attempt next month).

Pretty, 33y, USA
Boy (15y), girl (5 months)
Vegetarian diet and ttc girl as soon as cycle returns (breastfeeding)

ThinkingofPink, 32 (33 in August), USA
2 boys (4 and 17 months)
On LE and ttc in late September (our last baby!)

Thirdtimelucky, 37, AUS
2 kids, DS1 (2.5) and DS2 (9 months)
Hoping to TTC in Nov/Dec 2019

[Parying4agirl]

I hope to join u. Thinking maybe sway oct/ nov but not started diet yet 🙈

[Parying4agirl]

I hope to join u. Thinking maybe sway oct/ nov but not started diet yet 🙈

I find not snacking the hardest
I have soooo gone back to my boy habits

[Fiya]

Hi Parying,

We have already talked a bit on my thread about if I should sway again or not, so I remember you.

I was always pushing back the day I would start LE, but then I suddenly found enough motivation when I had my Mirena taken out. So this is the beginning of a new swaying adventure. I am so looking forward to another pregnancy.

When would you like to start the diet? Is hubby on board?

[Parying4agirl]

Yes we did 😃
Thats good, its a good point to start.
He doesnt know i sway in terms of diet cos i have no weight to loose but hes on board with the one attempt.
Think il start diet around 8 weeks before my attempt
The kids will be on summer break from school returning and i know il be taking kids out and eating junk so think it makes sense to start early sept.
I did 6 week diet last time
Have u decided what month ul make your one attempt. I will start using opks next mnth and try track whats going on with ovulation

[Pretty]

Me!!! I’m very nervous about swaying while breastfeeding as I used supps and femara last time.... I also worry about my age and every once in a while I contemplate just waiting and doing IVF. I’m still on the fence but have been doing the vegetarian diet for a couple of months (I did that last time as well since I struggled with the LE diet)

[Pretty]

Also I have about 10 pregnant “friends” and they’re all girls!! It feels like the boy wave should be imminent

[sarakmo]

I find not snacking the hardest
I have soooo gone back to my boy habits

Me too!! I’m regressing and trying to control my crazy cravings around O and before AF.

FYI when I had my boy, ALL my friends had girls (like 5) so I do not believe in any ‘wave’.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[Fiya]

@parying: I want to be on the diet at least 12 weeks before our first attempt, so that would be in September or October. I have thought about postponing it because of the summer and everything, but here in the south of France, it's really hot in the summer, so it is actually easier to eat a little less than in the winter.

I am also going to track with OPK the next month to find out what day I'm generally ovulating and to stress less once we are really TTC'ing

@Pretty: I did LE + vegetarian last time and I found it really hard. Right now, I'm starting out on LE with some meat every once in a while and I'll go full veggie in about 5 weeks or so. How old are you? And did you have your girl after a successfull sway?

@sarakmo: I don't believe in the waves either, but sometimes coincidences happen. Do you have just one boy?

[Pretty]

I went vegetarian but didn’t track nutrients as that’s what stressed me out. I’m 33 and had a successful girl sway, she’s 5 months old ��

[Fiya]

I am also 33 :cool: And my princess is turning 3 in July and her brothers are 6 and 8. Just like you, I am not tracking nutrients either, but just making sure I eat enough and am not hungry between meal 1 and 2.

[Parying4agirl]

Just wanted to add im 33 too and pink sway is 6 months old 😊👍🏼
Im more nervous abt this sway than last time i think - i dont think i can avoid meat totally but will try cut down alot, and will track lightly like last time

[Fiya]

I have already sold all of her clothes because I thought I was done lol :) I guess you both still have them since your minis are still sooooo mini.

And yes, I'm nervous too. Now that I know it's possible to have a girl, I want it even more I guess. A sister would be amazing. I'm so close with my own sister.

[Parying4agirl]

I have already sold all of her clothes because I thought I was done lol :) I guess you both still have them since your minis are still sooooo mini.

And yes, I'm nervous too. Now that I know it's possible to have a girl, I want it even more I guess. A sister would be amazing. I'm so close with my own sister.



Yeh think cos its worked once, u feel the urge to make it work again.
Same as i have two sisters and feel close too. Its always nice to share good and bad times with them

[ginger222]

I’ll join In too! I think we’ll try in the fall sometime. Not exactly following a diet yet. Ive just cut out breakfast, snacking and meat so far. Is anyone going to be exercising too?


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[Fiya]

@ginger: do you have any kids yet or will this be your first? And no, I won't be exercising, because I didn't last time and I am just not an exercise person :bigsmile:

[ginger222]

I have 2 boys now, and this will be our last! Pretty much did everything to sway boy when I got pregnant with them without realizing. How many LO’s do you have?


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[Fiya]

2 boys (8 and 6) and a little girl (successfull sway)

[Fiya]

Where are you ladies from?
I live in the south of France, but I'm originally from Belgium.

[ginger222]

A successful sway gives me hope. I’m in Canada [emoji4]


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[Fiya]

Oh waw Canada, I would lovvve to go there one day :cheer:

Yes, of course there is hope. For her, I fell pregnant on my thirth cycle of ttc'ing with one attempt at positive OPK and 22 weeks on LE diet. The worst part for me was waiting until the gender scan at 15 weeks. I hope I will be less stressed out this time around.

[ginger222]

Just don’t visit in the winter [emoji3063] Southern France is on my list of places to go, seems beautiful!

I’m thinking of keeping gender a surprise, not sure if I’ll be able to do it though. I don’t want to have to deal with peoples comments while pregnant if we have another boy!


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[Parying4agirl]

UK here 😊

[Nayla]

Hi,

We are planning the ttc for a girl in Sept. I started LE diet 2 weeks ago but i still struggle to get used to it.

[Fiya]

Just don’t visit in the winter [emoji3063] Southern France is on my list of places to go, seems beautiful!

I’m thinking of keeping gender a surprise, not sure if I’ll be able to do it though. I don’t want to have to deal with peoples comments while pregnant if we have another boy!


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You mean staying team green or just not telling people? I always admire people who don't find out. I'm waaayyyy to curious for that :bigsmile:

[Fiya]

Welcome Nayla, were are you from and how many little ones do you have? Boy or girl?

If you have a really boyish lifestyle like I have, LE diet is quiet a change. I started on the 13th and I am struggling with the breakfast part. I just LOVE my breakfast. But I am on a mission, getting my girl a sister, so I am able to put everything in perspective for that :awe:

[Nayla]

I have two boys. Hope for a girl this time.
What I find difficult is to balance commitment to diet and not be obssesed with :prof:
I manage to lower my overall intake during the day to get a good dinner (almost without restrictions). It makes me feel less deprived :flowerz:
Hope you get a sister for your daughter :)
We may want to get a forth baby if our sway works.

[Nayla]

Concerning dtd, I am planning e4d as I do not want to track the ovulation. I will be in BC pills for almost 2 months before ttc (to prevent AF during our holidays).
So I will try to catch the first ovulation as a sway tactic.

[ginger222]

You mean staying team green or just not telling people? I always admire people who don't find out. I'm waaayyyy to curious for that :bigsmile:

Yes, I was thinking of staying team green, just not sure if I could follow through with it!


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[ginger222]

I have two boys. Hope for a girl this time.
What I find difficult is to balance commitment to diet and not be obssesed with :prof:
I manage to lower my overall intake during the day to get a good dinner (almost without restrictions). It makes me feel less deprived :flowerz:
Hope you get a sister for your daughter :)
We may want to get a forth baby if our sway works.

I have the same problem with not becoming too obsessed with the diet, so I just follow some general rules and just hoping for the best lol.


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[Daydreamer08]

I would love to join this thread too. This will be my first time swaying I have 4 sons and dreaming/yearning for a daughter I’ve had 4 C-Sections so this may very much be last try. Any advice you ladies can give me will be greatly appreciated. As of tomorrow I will be cutting out breakfast and trying out the vegetarian diet. Also tracking my ovulation as well as my PH. What do you guys think about the PH sway advice? Do you think i should do that? I’m going to try to diet for a least 3 months before trying to conceive. Also should try the shuttles method or I’ve had people tell me about having hubby release every day and Baby dance the day before ovulation. Which method would you suggest or what method worked for you? I appreciate all the advice 😊 Good luck to you ladies and wish me luck🤞🏻 Pink baby dust to everyone trying.

[ginger222]

I would love to join this thread too. This will be my first time swaying I have 4 sons and dreaming/yearning for a daughter I’ve had 4 C-Sections so this may very much be last try. Any advice you ladies can give me will be greatly appreciated. As of tomorrow I will be cutting out breakfast and trying out the vegetarian diet. Also tracking my ovulation as well as my PH. What do you guys think about the PH sway advice? Do you think i should do that? I’m going to try to diet for a least 3 months before trying to conceive. Also should try the shuttles method or I’ve had people tell me about having hubby release every day and Baby dance the day before ovulation. Which method would you suggest or what method worked for you? I appreciate all the advice [emoji4] Good luck to you ladies and wish me luck[emoji1695] Pink baby dust to everyone trying.

Hi! I don’t have any real swaying experience. Any of my advice is just from reading on here. It seems that the most important factors are: diet, one attempt during fertile window. It doesn’t seem that ph matters, so I wouldn’t bother with that if I were you, one less thing to worry about! I don’t think the Shettles method works, and it’s difficult to get pregnant following a cut off. I’m sure some more experienced ladies can give you some advice [emoji846] good luck!


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[Ukmom2boys]

Hi ladies,
Can I join too, my name is Aimee and I’m in the UK, we are going to be trying in september/October time
We have 2 boys 8 & 10 and this will be our last attempt! I’m one of 4 girls and Hubby is one of 2 boys and the mother in law says i’ll Never have a girl, it’s just so disheartening😢
I’ve already cut out loads of boys stuff as my diet was very boy heavy, full of potato, bannanas and salt🤦🏽*♀️
I’ve change to a very low diet and already dropped 5pounds. Quick question do you think if I’ve already started the diet will I have been on it too long? X

[Daydreamer08]

I've seen you ladies talk about the LE diet what is that exactly? Also when it comes to actually baby dancing I know we should baby dance one time but I've also heard that my hubby and I should baby dance with protection until ovulation window. I've also been told that my hubby should release every 2 days before fertile window, I guess it kills the boy sperm and leaves them mostly girl. How many days before my positive ovulation strip should we baby dance?

[ThinkingofPink]

Mind if I join? This will be my second sway. I have 2 boys already (second son was a failed sway). I recently purchased a plan and will start my sway as soon as I get that. Last time I didn’t purchase one but I think I had a pretty solid sway just had “bad luck” I guess. I wouldn’t change my son for anything though! We’ll be trying around late September and this time I want to add exercise because it gets such good results and I didn’t do it last time. Good luck everyone!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Ladies, there are tons of questons in this thread now and it is REALLY hard for me to keep track of and reply in these threads where lots of people are asking questions. PLEASE PLEASE all of you start separate threads with your questions for me to reply to rather than relying on the answers you get in support threads from others because sometimes misinformation gets spread that way.

pH info is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

timing info is here: https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

LE Diet is here: https://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/16780-low-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html

LE Diet FAQ is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/24628-le-diet-faq.html

LE Diet FAQ 2 is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-a-girl-best-practices/62533-le-diet-faq-2-mineral-madness-edition.html

And even though I don't have a good essay for this above all else whatever you choose to do with your husband's frequency (NONE OF WHICH WORKS) please do have just one attempt to start with. Frequency doesn't work. Timing doesn't work. One attempt does work, so please err on the side of keeping one attempt and dropping timing/frequency/pH stuff.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi ladies,
Can I join too, my name is Aimee and I’m in the UK, we are going to be trying in september/October time
We have 2 boys 8 & 10 and this will be our last attempt! I’m one of 4 girls and Hubby is one of 2 boys and the mother in law says i’ll Never have a girl, it’s just so disheartening��
I’ve already cut out loads of boys stuff as my diet was very boy heavy, full of potato, bannanas and salt����*♀️
I’ve change to a very low diet and already dropped 5pounds. Quick question do you think if I’ve already started the diet will I have been on it too long? X

starting diet now for TTC in Sept/Oct is fine.

Please read the LE Diet FAQ 2 I posted above to see an explanation of why you do not need to drop potato, banana, salt, etc.

[atomic sagebrush]

I've seen you ladies talk about the LE diet what is that exactly? Also when it comes to actually baby dancing I know we should baby dance one time but I've also heard that my hubby and I should baby dance with protection until ovulation window. I've also been told that my hubby should release every 2 days before fertile window, I guess it kills the boy sperm and leaves them mostly girl. How many days before my positive ovulation strip should we baby dance?

And how do you think you can predict days before your ovulation strip turns positive?? Unless you're a fortune teller, you really can't do that. It just doesn't work because people can't predict when their ovulation is going to come and O Day for most people changes when swaying. So your options are to use a fertility monitor or OPK to try to pin it down, but you're not going to ever be able to say "ok my positive OPK will come in 2 days 100% for sure so I'll have attempt now". When people try to do it, they end up in a panic when their OPK doesn't go positive or their OPK goes positive the next day!

[soontobemama]

We plan to sway pink this year in a few months! I am not sure what sway or info to be following that as I see so much conflicting online! What will you be doing?


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[Princess Mom]

ME! Starting in October really praying for one last girl then I’m done, my last sway was successful just most likely will add in cardio this time around.

[Princess Mom]

My issues is snacking! But been doing good not fully started the diet till a few more weeks.

[Ergdunn]

I’d like to join in on this thread as well! I have 4 boys and I am just desperate for a little girl! Is anyone else breastfeeding while swaying? My youngest is 3 months (yes, I know I’m crazy). My husband will be 40 next year which has a lot to do with my desire to start trying so soon.
I’m looking forward to following along on your pink journeys!


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[Pretty]

I am breastfeeding as well, also ttc girl! My LO is 5 months

[ThinkingofPink]

I’m breastfeeding! My LO is 17months old though.

[itsallaboutthepink]

Hi everyone! I’d love to join too [emoji177]

I’m from the UK and trying TTC pink next month (AF 3rd-4th July [emoji1696])
My cycles have been really messed up since I had a late mc in December and it’s been tricky trying to track what’s going on [emoji848]

I’m still breastfeeding my DD who is 2 and have been doing the LE diet for a few months, with a few tweaks from Atomic.

Snacking is definitely my weakness!!!

How is everyone getting on?


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[Fiya]

Hi ladies,
Can I join too, my name is Aimee and I’m in the UK, we are going to be trying in september/October time
We have 2 boys 8 & 10 and this will be our last attempt! I’m one of 4 girls and Hubby is one of 2 boys and the mother in law says i’ll Never have a girl, it’s just so disheartening😢
I’ve already cut out loads of boys stuff as my diet was very boy heavy, full of potato, bannanas and salt🤦🏽*♀️
I’ve change to a very low diet and already dropped 5pounds. Quick question do you think if I’ve already started the diet will I have been on it too long? X

Welcome!
The longer you are on the diet, the better so that is perfect. And that is really not a sweet thing to say by your mother in law. I had a girl after two boys with swaying and a very boyfriendly lifestyle, so please keep believing in it!

[Fiya]

Mind if I join? This will be my second sway. I have 2 boys already (second son was a failed sway). I recently purchased a plan and will start my sway as soon as I get that. Last time I didn’t purchase one but I think I had a pretty solid sway just had “bad luck” I guess. I wouldn’t change my son for anything though! We’ll be trying around late September and this time I want to add exercise because it gets such good results and I didn’t do it last time. Good luck everyone!!

Welcome thinkingofpink. We also start around late September and I am so looking forward to it. It will be our fourth and last baby.

[Fiya]

Hi ladies,

It is getting pretty busy out here. Would you like a recap on the first page? I don't know how it is done, but as a topic starter, I could edit my first message and add your info. Maybe something like this?

Fiya, 33 y, France
Boy (8), Boy (6), Girl (2)
On LE, TTC'ing in september

[ThinkingofPink]

A recap is a great idea!

ThinkingofPink, 32 (33 in August), USA
2 boys (4 and 17 months)
On LE and ttc in late September (our last baby!)

[Pretty]

Thank you!! Great idea!

Pretty, 33y, USA
Boy (15y), girl (5 months)
Vegetarian diet and ttc girl as soon as cycle returns (breastfeeding)

[ginger222]

Ginger, 31, Canada,
2 boys (4 and 2)
Vegetarian LE diet & exercise, TTC in September possibly :)


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[Fiya]

Recap in the very first post :running:

How are you ladies doing?

I went to see my family from Thursday to Sunday and I didn't want them to know I was on LE since they think I had my girl and wouldn't want another one, so they wouldn't understand. So it was 4 days of cheating and now I am having a really hard time getting back on track. I hope I'll get there :nails:

[ginger222]

My husband was just away and I realized I do better without him around tempting me to snack or eat out. Not sure what’s going to happen with exercising and my diet when we’re travelling for summer vacation though!


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[ginger222]

What are people eating in a day? Anyone want to give me some ideas? I feel like I eat the same thing everyday


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[Fiya]

Ginger, I eat a lot of carbs (pasta, rice, quinoa, polenta, bread, tortilla) and all sorts of fruit and vegetables, but also sweets, ice lollies, some cheese now and then

[ThinkingofPink]

Fiya, don’t be hard one yourself for cheating! Think of all the people with girls who never swayed. They were probably “cheating” all the time! Good luck getting back on track, you can do it!

Ginger, I eat a lot of carbs (bagels, toast, tortillas etc), veggies, potatoes, rice, and salads

[sarakmo]

@parying: I want to be on the diet at least 12 weeks before our first attempt, so that would be in September or October. I have thought about postponing it because of the summer and everything, but here in the south of France, it's really hot in the summer, so it is actually easier to eat a little less than in the winter.

I am also going to track with OPK the next month to find out what day I'm generally ovulating and to stress less once we are really TTC'ing

@Pretty: I did LE + vegetarian last time and I found it really hard. Right now, I'm starting out on LE with some meat every once in a while and I'll go full veggie in about 5 weeks or so. How old are you? And did you have your girl after a successfull sway?

@sarakmo: I don't believe in the waves either, but sometimes coincidences happen. Do you have just one boy?

@fiya Ha yes they do happen, lol I’m usually always the outlier!

Yes just one boy, 2.5. I turn 34 in August. Gave up probiotics, skip breakfast, try to watch protein/fat and include more empty starches as I avoided those like the plague in my past. With my son, I was such a typical boy mom! Quite toned, ate lots of healthy fats like avocados...ate small meals often...lol


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[Pretty]

Hi ladies! I’ve been feeling a bit down lately, in part because of all my friends having so many girls and in part because of my age. I have to conceive by the end of the year to deliver before I’m 35. I know that on my 35th birthday my eggs don’t wither and turn to dust, but I’m scared of things going wrong. Terrified really...

[Pretty]

Oh and still no cycle so I don’t know when I’ll be able to try :worry:

[ThinkingofPink]

35 is NOT old. Especially when you have already had two kids and your body already is familiar with getting pregnant. You don’t have anything at all to worry about so I wouldn’t let that stress get to you. Try your best to not obsess over it and undermine your girl sway!

[ginger222]

Oh and still no cycle so I don’t know when I’ll be able to try :worry:

I’m in the same boat with no cycle yet. DS is almost 2 so I’m feeling pretty impatient!


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[Fiya]

Pretty, yes indeed, 35 is NOT old. How many mums have babies at +40 nowadays? You still have time to conceive a little bundle of joy so please do not worry about that too much.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi ladies! I’ve been feeling a bit down lately, in part because of all my friends having so many girls and in part because of my age. I have to conceive by the end of the year to deliver before I’m 35. I know that on my 35th birthday my eggs don’t wither and turn to dust, but I’m scared of things going wrong. Terrified really...

Please, PLEASE just put that idea out of your head right now. It is a nonsense idea based on data from the 1600's (not making this up) and is really, really not the case at all. Your eggs DO NOT poof into dust and we have excellent rates of conception even all the way up through 42, and with somewhat more difficulty for a couple years after that.

The higher risks of pregnancy 35 and up are because a higher % of women with health issues. It is NOT simply being 35 per se, it's that more women have underlying medical issues and if you are healthy there is no reason to expect any substantially higher risk of harm from being pregnant.

This stuff is just not real. It was stuff made up largely to control women's behavior to be quite honest. Society frowned on older moms and so medical science never bothered to even look into it and simply (and shockingly, STILL IS) relied upon on 400 year old data to scare women over 35 away from having babies. Many of us, myself included, had babies at 37, 39, 42, and they were perfectly normal babies with perfectly normal pregnancies. My birth at 42 was easier than my one at 21!

Here is a really good article that will help put all this into perspective https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/07/how-long-can-you-wait-to-have-a-baby/309374/

And let me just warn you for the sake of your sway - do NOT let this mess with your head. MANY MANY of us, myself twice over, had got soooo scared about these dire claims (at the time of my 3rd and 4th boys I hadn't researched this yet) that we did stuff that actually harmed our chances of pink considerably because we felt like we had to do everything possible to "improve fertility" even though there was nothing wrong with our fertility. With my 3rd, I barely knew about swaying but was doing all this stuff because I was sure I couldn't get pregnant at my "advanced" age of 36 LOL (got pregnant in 2 months) and then with my pregnancy at 38/39 I was taking all these supps recommended by InGender for "egg quality" because I was soooo sure I needed all these nutrients to have a healthy baby! (got pregnant in 1 month!) Both boys.

Then at 41 I gave it all up and STILL got pregnant in normal range (6 months, but we weren't really trying very hard) and had a perfectly normal and healthy girl at 42 with a super easy pregnancy and crazily easy birth. While I"d of course never trade my sons for anything, I do wonder what would have happened if I hadn't been so brainwashed into thinking I was going to face these extreme fertility challenges that were actually completely fake and phony. And I've seen hundreds of women do the exact same thing - scare themselves into doing things that actively sway blue out of this misguided fear. So please just rest easy - the risks are completely overblown completely out of all proportion.

[Disneylover]

I will be trying to conceive pink at the end of this year! Depending how quickly my cycles come back I’m hoping to start trying in December. Extremely nervous to make sure everything goes well. I’m very the OCD controlling personality so I’m going to have to work hard to not let that interfere.

[Pretty]

Thank you so much!! What a great article!! My fears definitely stem from the risks of birth defects. I know they’re low, but I can’t express the anxiety I have regarding the subject. Hopefully those will go away.

Ugh, I made the horrible mistake of looking up more statistics. The internet is so cruel sometimes.

[Fiya]

Pretty, stop looking hun and just have faith :flowerz: Your body knows what to do, don't worry.

Here, I'm back on track with LE, but waiting for my cycle to come back after I got my IUD removed earlier this month. I should have had my period the 25th, but it's late...

Any of the other ladies want to be in the recap on page 1?

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much!! What a great article!! My fears definitely stem from the risks of birth defects. I know they’re low, but I can’t express the anxiety I have regarding the subject. Hopefully those will go away.

Ugh, I made the horrible mistake of looking up more statistics. The internet is so cruel sometimes.

post links and I'll tell you everything that is wrong with the things you're reading LOL. Virtually all of those things are TOTALLY blown out of proportion for clicks!

[Pretty]

Thank you so much! I know you’re very busy so I completely understand if you don’t have the time or it takes you some time to check any of them out, and I definitely don’t want to scare anyone else (my misery doesn’t want company!) but this are some of the sites I came across, some were more scary than others, some just have scary charts or undertones, but all made me really question if I should pursue another baby


http://genetics.emory.edu/documents/down-syndrome/Allen%202008.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Donald_Mcintire/publication/232200958_Maternal_Age_and_Malformations_in_Single ton_Births/links/0a85e5331ccebc6991000000/Maternal-Age-and-Malformations-in-Singleton-Births.pdf

https://www.ndss.org/about-down-syndrome/down-syndrome/
This author actually has scarier numbers (can’t find the full article but valid author): https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/abstract/1981/09000/rates_of_chromosome_abnormalities_at_different.3.a spx

Scary Charts:
https://www.mcgill.ca/familymed/files/familymed/age_and_fertility.pdf

[laurelw]

Pretty, stop looking hun and just have faith :flowerz: Your body knows what to do, don't worry.

Here, I'm back on track with LE, but waiting for my cycle to come back after I got my IUD removed earlier this month. I should have had my period the 25th, but it's late...

Any of the other ladies want to be in the recap on page 1?

Yes please!

Laurelw
29 AUS
Boy, Boy, Girl (successful sway)
Have been on LE diet for 2.5 months now, will be having our first attempt next month).



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[Fiya]

So last time I told you ladies my period was late since I got my IUD removed in June, but it has arrived two days ago so no more reason to be worried now :) If everything goes to plan, we'll start TTC in September :cheer:

How are you all doing? All eating well and staying within limits? :fx:

[ginger222]

So last time I told you ladies my period was late since I got my IUD removed in June, but it has arrived two days ago so no more reason to be worried now :) If everything goes to plan, we'll start TTC in September :cheer:

How are you all doing? All eating well and staying within limits? :fx:

That’s exciting [emoji4] I’m still nursing once a day. I plan to completely wean this week so my cycle will finally come back. It came back about 3 weeks after I weaned my first, so hoping for about the same this time!

I went to a bbq yesterday, so I fell off the wagon a little, but starting back with the diet again today!


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[laurelw]

Going ok I think. I’ve stopped tracking as much as it’s become just a normal eating pattern for me, but am concerned I’m not eating enough or need to bump it up as I’m losing too much weight.


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[itsallaboutthepink]

Hiya,
Got my recap info!

itsallaboutthepink, 33, UK
Girl (2)
Late miscarriage @20 weeks (Boy)
On LE & breastfeeding
TTC this month!!!


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[Fiya]

Going ok I think. I’ve stopped tracking as much as it’s become just a normal eating pattern for me, but am concerned I’m not eating enough or need to bump it up as I’m losing too much weight.


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What are you eating a day and how many lbs have you lost in how many weeks? And what is your BMI? I have lost a lot during my first sway, but that was also because I had a lot to loose.

[Fiya]

That’s exciting [emoji4] I’m still nursing once a day. I plan to completely wean this week so my cycle will finally come back. It came back about 3 weeks after I weaned my first, so hoping for about the same this time!

I went to a bbq yesterday, so I fell off the wagon a little, but starting back with the diet again today!


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Fingers crossed for you it will be as fast as last time. Are you sad the breastfeeding time has come to an and?

[Fiya]

Hiya,
Got my recap info!

itsallaboutthepink, 33, UK
Girl (2)
Late miscarriage @20 weeks (Boy)
On LE & breastfeeding
TTC this month!!!


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I've added you to the recap. How exciting that you are starting this month already :running: And your miscarriage at 20 weeks leaves me speechless, such a sad ending to a beautiful story.

[itsallaboutthepink]

I've added you to the recap. How exciting that you are starting this month already :running: And your miscarriage at 20 weeks leaves me speechless, such a sad ending to a beautiful story.

Thanks Fiya,
It was so unexpected and so sad, sometimes it’s hard to believe it really happened [emoji26]
It’s why I want to sway pink this time as I feel if I had a boy it would be like I was replacing him somehow [emoji170]
But regardless of gender, this next little one will be so so precious and I’m so excited but also so nervous about being pregnant again. I have lots of support though [emoji304]
I’ve been doing LE for a few months, decreased meat and have got DH on OLE. The only thing I can’t do much of is the exercise as my BMI is already on the low side which makes me twitchy!
How are you getting on??xxx


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[ginger222]

Fingers crossed for you it will be as fast as last time. Are you sad the breastfeeding time has come to an and?

I might get a little sad about it being over, but I’m definitely ready :)


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[ginger222]

Just curious, for those of you that had previous girls sways..did you find it took you longer to conceive while swaying pink?


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[ginger222]

Hiya,
Got my recap info!

itsallaboutthepink, 33, UK
Girl (2)
Late miscarriage @20 weeks (Boy)
On LE & breastfeeding
TTC this month!!!


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So sorry for your loss. Good luck to you this month!


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[Parying4agirl]

Just curious, for those of you that had previous girls sways..did you find it took you longer to conceive while swaying pink?


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No i was fortunate to concieve my girl the first month of trying x

[itsallaboutthepink]

So sorry for your loss. Good luck to you this month!


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Thank you.
I can’t believe I’ve got back on the crazy train of TTC again! [emoji175] We fell accidentally with our little boy so strange to be actively TTC this time.
How much exercise are you doing/planning on doing Ginger??


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[ginger222]

Thank you.
I can’t believe I’ve got back on the crazy train of TTC again! [emoji175] We fell accidentally with our little boy so strange to be actively TTC this time.
How much exercise are you doing/planning on doing Ginger??


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Right now I’m doing about 4 days/week for 60 mins. I’m going to do my best to bump it up to 6 days for 6 weeks before ttc.


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[itsallaboutthepink]

Right now I’m doing about 4 days/week for 60 mins. I’m going to do my best to bump it up to 6 days for 6 weeks before ttc.


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Wowsas, that’s good going [emoji108]
How are you managing to do it with your 2 little ones?! I struggle to get cardio in with just the one and full time shift work (Plus I’m perpetually shattered!) You go girl!!!


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[ginger222]

Wowsas, that’s good going [emoji108]
How are you managing to do it with your 2 little ones?! I struggle to get cardio in with just the one and full time shift work (Plus I’m perpetually shattered!) You go girl!!!


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I’m only working part time, so when I have the kids home with me I go to the gym, which conveniently has child care. It’s like a mini vacation lol. Sometimes I exercise after I put the kids to bed, or just have hubby watch them on the weekend. Full time shift work with a LO is worth more than any exercise I’m sure! [emoji28]


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[Thirdtimelucky01]

Hi ladies I’d like to join this thread too!

Thirdtimelucky, AUS 37

I have 2 kids, DS1 (2.5) and DS2 (9 months) and hoping to TTC in Nov/Dec 2019 to add a little girl to our tribe. I’ve been living a very boy friendly lifestyle without knowing (only discovered this site after my second boy) so it will be hard for me to do LE diet and I’m not really a cardio person lol. But I’ll try. I’m still breastfeeding my youngest so will start tracking ovulation when my period returns (not yet). Am about to start the diet soon too. Do all of you skip breakfast? I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for years, having my dinner around 5pm and then eating breakfast the following day after 9am and no snacking. Would that still be ok? If you do eat breakfast/late breakfast then what is allowed? I love my oats but I understand it’s a No on LE diet. Thank you and good luck to everyone!


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[ginger222]

Hi thirdtimelucky,

I think you’re good as long as you delay breakfast a bit. I don’t bother with breakfast because I just don’t get hungry in the morning anymore. I just drink some black coffee. Some other ladies might have some suggestions for breakfast. Good luck! [emoji4]


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[HopingForHairbows]

Hi! I would love to join in!
35, USA,
4 boys (no swaying), 1 girl (successful sway), 1 miscarriage (unknown sex, did not sway)
Vegan LE diet, Femara & exercise, TTC in October!

I went vegan in February, but am incorporating other portions of the LE diet in now as well (like no breakfast, coffee, etc). I am so excited to meet you all!

[laurelw]

What are you eating a day and how many lbs have you lost in how many weeks? And what is your BMI? I have lost a lot during my first sway, but that was also because I had a lot to loose.

I’m aiming for 1900cal 60g fat, 50g protein which is what I did for my last sway.. but I am nursing once a day still so that probably changes things.

I started at 61kg, I am now 58kg, so have lost 3kg in 2.5months, BMI is 19 so don’t want to continue losing at that rate..


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[Princess Mom]

Starting the LE diet next week! Not looking forward to it lol

I been doing some exercises not cardio so within two weeks I’ll start cardio, which is going to be difficult what is the minimum of days for cardio? Anyone having a hard time with the exercise part? I’m going to try my best, but with four kids I hardly have time.

[Fiya]

Thanks Fiya,
It was so unexpected and so sad, sometimes it’s hard to believe it really happened [emoji26]
It’s why I want to sway pink this time as I feel if I had a boy it would be like I was replacing him somehow [emoji170]
But regardless of gender, this next little one will be so so precious and I’m so excited but also so nervous about being pregnant again. I have lots of support though [emoji304]
I’ve been doing LE for a few months, decreased meat and have got DH on OLE. The only thing I can’t do much of is the exercise as my BMI is already on the low side which makes me twitchy!
How are you getting on??xxx


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You wouldn't be replacing him, but I do understand why you feel that way. These feelings can be very complicated. My daughter loves to sing "twinkle twinkle little star" and your little boy is one of those beautiful stars up there :LotsofLove:

[Fiya]

Just curious, for those of you that had previous girls sways..did you find it took you longer to conceive while swaying pink?


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I conceived my first boy in the thirth cycle after getting of birth control, my second boy in the first cycle (but my DS1 was only 6 months old, so I was probably very very fertile at that time) and my little girl in the tirth cycle on LE and with one attempt at positive OPK, so for us it went actually quiet smooth. I was 24, 25 and 29 years old when conceiving them and I am 33 years old now.

[Fiya]

Hi ladies I’d like to join this thread too!

Thirdtimelucky, AUS 37

I have 2 kids, DS1 (2.5) and DS2 (9 months) and hoping to TTC in Nov/Dec 2019 to add a little girl to our tribe. I’ve been living a very boy friendly lifestyle without knowing (only discovered this site after my second boy) so it will be hard for me to do LE diet and I’m not really a cardio person lol. But I’ll try. I’m still breastfeeding my youngest so will start tracking ovulation when my period returns (not yet). Am about to start the diet soon too. Do all of you skip breakfast? I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for years, having my dinner around 5pm and then eating breakfast the following day after 9am and no snacking. Would that still be ok? If you do eat breakfast/late breakfast then what is allowed? I love my oats but I understand it’s a No on LE diet. Thank you and good luck to everyone!


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So do you mean you eat 2 times a day? Breakfast after 9 am and dinner at 5 pm? Or do you still have a lunch in between? If you have two meals, I think it's perfect. If you have lunch and want to keep the breakfast, than I should skip the lunch and eat a bit more for breakfast and dinner.

I've added you to the recap op page 1 :running:

[Fiya]

I’m aiming for 1900cal 60g fat, 50g protein which is what I did for my last sway.. but I am nursing once a day still so that probably changes things.

I started at 61kg, I am now 58kg, so have lost 3kg in 2.5months, BMI is 19 so don’t want to continue losing at that rate..


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Maybe you should bump this for Atomic or ask this question in a separate thread so that she sees it. But I think that when nursing, you could eat a little more fat and proteins.

[Fiya]

Hi! I would love to join in!
35, USA,
4 boys (no swaying), 1 girl (successful sway), 1 miscarriage (unknown sex, did not sway)
Vegan LE diet, Femara & exercise, TTC in October!

I went vegan in February, but am incorporating other portions of the LE diet in now as well (like no breakfast, coffee, etc). I am so excited to meet you all!

Welcome! I love your user name, it's so sweet. I see you are also swaying for the second time, so fingers crossed we both get a little sister for our miracle daughter.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Fiya, I cannot figure out to to reply to your comment *sigh*. I found a section on eating and fasting yesterday and Atomic said that you don’t have to limit yourself to 2 meals a day (in the same way you don’t have to skip breakfast), as long as you eat less frequently than when you conceived boys - and I was a non-stop grazer. Ladies who already successfully swayed for a girl, what do you think worked for you? TIA!


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[Fiya]

Fiya, I cannot figure out to to reply to your comment *sigh*. I found a section on eating and fasting yesterday and Atomic said that you don’t have to limit yourself to 2 meals a day (in the same way you don’t have to skip breakfast), as long as you eat less frequently than when you conceived boys - and I was a non-stop grazer. Ladies who already successfully swayed for a girl, what do you think worked for you? TIA!


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You need to click on Reply With Quote in the lower right corner under the post you want to quote.
I swayed pink in 2015 and I ate two meals back then and I'm trying to get there this time, but Atomic gives the best advice so you can keep doing what you are doing :-)

[HopingForHairbows]

Welcome! I love your user name, it's so sweet. I see you are also swaying for the second time, so fingers crossed we both get a little sister for our miracle daughter.

Thank you so much! My little girl asks me all the time why other people have sisters and she does not. I always remind her that she has lots of lovely brothers, and some people don't have any brothers at all!

I didn't read through every page of this thread. What month are you starting TTC? We said October/November, but now are feeling more open to the possibility of trying in September. I need to start getting my cardio in!!

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: that's what I do with my daughter all the time, I tell her how I wanted a big brother when I was little (which I did!) and how jealous I am of her LOL and she just eats it up. She says the dog is her sister. :)

[itsallaboutthepink]

You wouldn't be replacing him, but I do understand why you feel that way. These feelings can be very complicated. My daughter loves to sing "twinkle twinkle little star" and your little boy is one of those beautiful stars up there :LotsofLove:

That is so beautiful [emoji177] Thank you.
My daughter loves Twinkle-twinkle too so now I will think of both my lovely children when she sings it.
I think it’s probably just a knee-jerk reaction I’m having to a horrible experience. It’s almost like if I can’t have him I’d rather not have any boy if that makes sense?!



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[Fiya]

Thank you so much! My little girl asks me all the time why other people have sisters and she does not. I always remind her that she has lots of lovely brothers, and some people don't have any brothers at all!

I didn't read through every page of this thread. What month are you starting TTC? We said October/November, but now are feeling more open to the possibility of trying in September. I need to start getting my cardio in!!

How old is she? Mine is turning 3 next week, so she isn't asking those kind of questions yet, but I'm sure she would be thrilled to have a sister. We will be TTC'ing in September :cheerteam: I will be on LE for 10 weeks, but last time it took us 3 cycles and I was on LE for 22 weeks back then, and I'm 4 years older now so...

[Fiya]

:agree: that's what I do with my daughter all the time, I tell her how I wanted a big brother when I was little (which I did!) and how jealous I am of her LOL and she just eats it up. She says the dog is her sister. :)

Me too Atomic, I badly wanted a brother when I was little. I had just one sister. I think we always want what we don't have. And when I was a teenager, my mum told me she had been pregnant and ended the pregnancy because she wasn't in a good headspace to keep the baby. In my teenager head, that was the little brother I always wanted so I had a lot of trouble understanding why she didn't keep the baby. But now I have two little boys, so I'm fine now lol.

[HopingForHairbows]

How old is she? Mine is turning 3 next week, so she isn't asking those kind of questions yet, but I'm sure she would be thrilled to have a sister. We will be TTC'ing in September :cheerteam: I will be on LE for 10 weeks, but last time it took us 3 cycles and I was on LE for 22 weeks back then, and I'm 4 years older now so...My daughter is 4! She only started asking for a sister in the past 6 months actually. In fact, when I was pregnant with our youngest she kept saying "I hope it's a boy!", (we were team green) so I was extra shocked when she started asking for a sister.

I was planning October originally but now I am thinking September also, which will give me almost exactly 12 weeks on LE before our attempt. I hope we both get our BFPs easily this time around! First shot would be ideal!



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[Fiya]

How is everyone doing ladies?

I have started ovulation tests to see if I still ovulate on CD14 and I'm on CD11 and the line is getting slowly darker, so that seems promising. It is just so tempting to start trying for a baby right now, but I need to stay focused on our goal lol

[Nayla]

Hi ladies,
How swaying is going for everyone ?
I was wondering if the diet limits are cumulative or has to be considered for each day ? well maybe it is a stupid question, but what I am doing is that some days I go too strict in limits and the next day I go over the limits and inversely, so overall I am within the limits for the week but not each day ...

[laurelw]

How is everyone doing ladies?

I have started ovulation tests to see if I still ovulate on CD14 and I'm on CD11 and the line is getting slowly darker, so that seems promising. It is just so tempting to start trying for a baby right now, but I need to stay focused on our goal lol

Exciting! I know what you mean about it being tempting! How long until your attempt?


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[Fiya]

Exciting! I know what you mean about it being tempting! How long until your attempt?


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September! And you?

[Fiya]

Question for Atomic, I hope you'll read this but if not, maybe the other ladies can help out too.

I know that back in 2015, you said that for a pink sway, it was good to be at your lowest conception weight. Is this still true or is losing weight and doing things different then when getting boys enough? I would still have a lot of weight to loose to be at my lowest conception weight (44 lbs), but when on LE, I loose quite a bit of weight so the weight loss isn't a problem.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you guys have questions PLEASE just start a separate thread and ask me. I happened to see this come in, but I don't read the support threads usually (and it's super confusing when 10 different people are asking questions in the same thread!). Please don't worry about bothering me, I want you to bother me rather than rely on answers that may not be correct. More misinformation gets spread in support threads than any other place and it actually takes me way longer to correct an incorrect answer weeks and months later, given to several people than if you guys just start new threads and ask me! :)

I never have had any evidence that "lowest conception weight" is necessary or ideal. But the thing is, people want concrete numbers to go off of and so I settled on that. I didn't think it mattered then, I am convinced it doesn't matter now. I don't think your body has a memory of all the weights you've ever been at. All you really need to do is just eat differently than you recently were (most important) and differently than you were when you had boys (less important) and that is what counts.

If you want a goal to aim at, lowest conception weight is one goal that's worked for some people. But I don't want anyone dropping below BMI 21 anyway and for sure not lower than BMI 18.5 under any circumstances.

Above all else it is time on diet that has worked. Not amount of weight loss, not timing weight loss, not BMI. So when you have more weight to spare, it's fine to not lose that all. Just be sure you're doing differently tahn you were recently and your body still sees that as a reduction in nutrients coming in.

[ThinkingofPink]

I’m doing okay on the diet so far but I’m having trouble not going over on fat. The calories and protein I’m doing just fine on. I guess my favorite types of foods are on the fattier side so I’ll have to change it up somehow. I had this same problem last time. I haven’t started exercise but I’ll definitely be doing it. I’m only going to do it for the last 6 weeks before our first attempt though because I don't have any weight to spare. Hope everyone is doing well!

[Nayla]

I’m doing okay on the diet so far but I’m having trouble not going over on fat. The calories and protein I’m doing just fine on. I guess my favorite types of foods are on the fattier side so I’ll have to change it up somehow. I had this same problem last time. I haven’t started exercise but I’ll definitely be doing it. I’m only going to do it for the last 6 weeks before our first attempt though because I don't have any weight to spare. Hope everyone is doing well!

I also have trouble limiting fat. For me it is the hardest part of the diet. So far I am able to avoid snaking, limiting calories and protein, replacing tea by coffee.
Did you sway before ?

[nyc0404]

Attempting in September so have started working out and le diet but I am cheating here and there ..pink dust to you!

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[laurelw]

Attempting in September so have started working out and le diet but I am cheating here and there ..pink dust to you!

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I’ve done my bit of cheating too and I know I’ll do some coming up still! CD1 for me yesterday. It’s on!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I’m doing okay on the diet so far but I’m having trouble not going over on fat. The calories and protein I’m doing just fine on. I guess my favorite types of foods are on the fattier side so I’ll have to change it up somehow. I had this same problem last time. I haven’t started exercise but I’ll definitely be doing it. I’m only going to do it for the last 6 weeks before our first attempt though because I don't have any weight to spare. Hope everyone is doing well!

BE sure you guys aren't counting the small amounts of fat (and protein) in fruits and veg. Fruit and veg (except avocado and olives) are free for fat and protein. Many times when people ahve trouble in the limits it's because they're counting the fat and protein in fruit and veg. And low carb veg you count nothing in them, they're free and unlimited, don't even count the calories.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

BE sure you guys aren't counting the small amounts of fat (and protein) in fruits and veg. Fruit and veg (except avocado and olives) are free for fat and protein. Many times when people ahve trouble in the limits it's because they're counting the fat and protein in fruit and veg. And low carb veg you count nothing in them, they're free and unlimited, don't even count the calories.

Atomic, which veg are considered low carb? I saw you mentioned tomato, cabbage, cucumber before. What is high carb other than potato, sweet potato, pumpkin?


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[laurelw]

Has anyone had negative responses from family/friends about having another? This will be our 4th and hasn’t been great reactions. Frustrates me how everyone can’t wait for your first, keep asking when you will have a second, are hesitant and question why you have a 3rd and then assume you are done?


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[MsDashwood]

It is lovely reading everyone’s stories. I can’t wait to hear the rest of the journey.

I’d like to join in this group. We are TTC next year but I’m doing all my research this year so I can be cool and calm and ready to go next year! I work in a highly stressful job with very long hours and as a result I’m a control freak at home - classic boy mum personality. I’m hoping if I research and hear lots of other stories now, I’ll be so relaxed and used to the theories when we try. I’ll be getting a personalised plan too.


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[Thirdtimelucky01]

Has anyone had negative responses from family/friends about having another? This will be our 4th and hasn’t been great reactions. Frustrates me how everyone can’t wait for your first, keep asking when you will have a second, are hesitant and question why you have a 3rd and then assume you are done?


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Yes! This will be our third and everyone is saying we are crazy, it’s too hard, expensive, no time to give them enough attention etc - though most of the people who say that have two kids lol


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[MsDashwood]

Yes! This will be our third and everyone is saying we are crazy, it’s too hard, expensive, no time to give them enough attention etc - though most of the people who say that have two kids lol


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I actually think 3 is perfect (well so is 4). I sort of think when it comes to families - go hard or go home! I had only one sibling and I always looked at those larger families who just had so many kids they could literally party on their own. Although challenging I think the environment for kids has lots of positives


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[Thirdtimelucky01]

I actually think 3 is perfect (well so is 4). I sort of think when it comes to families - go hard or go home! I had only one sibling and I always looked at those larger families who just had so many kids they could literally party on their own. Although challenging I think the environment for kids has lots of positives


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Someone told me once that every family has their number (if kids) - and whatever number it is, as long as it works for them it’s great, be it 1 or 5! Do you have any kids atm or will you be trying to conceive your first? I also have one sibling and always wanted more. My DH’s dad is one of 22!!!


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[Fiya]

Has anyone had negative responses from family/friends about having another? This will be our 4th and hasn’t been great reactions. Frustrates me how everyone can’t wait for your first, keep asking when you will have a second, are hesitant and question why you have a 3rd and then assume you are done?


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I know my dad won't be very positive when he'll find out, so that's why he doesn't know yet. He thinks two is enough from an environmental perspective. He doesn't want us to have more kids because the world is already too populated. With our thirth, he even said: Well that's enough, now you're done! I hope he'll be able to understand why we did long for another one.

[Fiya]

How are you ladies doing? I'm trying to get back on track after a weekend away with my hubby. LE is hard for me this time. I sometimes wonder if it is because the desire for a baby is stronger than the desire for a girl. In fact, I would need to figure that out.

Even more than the LE diet, what is putting me off is the OPK's and the one attempt. I didn't find my LH peak this cycle and that scares me. And I even wonder if I don't want to just try for a baby instead of pink. But 10 minutes later I look at my daughter and so desperately want to give her a little sis. It's psychological torture! :giggle:

[laurelw]

How are you ladies doing? I'm trying to get back on track after a weekend away with my hubby. LE is hard for me this time. I sometimes wonder if it is because the desire for a baby is stronger than the desire for a girl. In fact, I would need to figure that out.

Even more than the LE diet, what is putting me off is the OPK's and the one attempt. I didn't find my LH peak this cycle and that scares me. And I even wonder if I don't want to just try for a baby instead of pink. But 10 minutes later I look at my daughter and so desperately want to give her a little sis. It's psychological torture! :giggle:

I could have written this exactly! Negative OPK for surge and all. I do badly want a girl, but more than anything I just want a baby. When is your attempt month?


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[laurelw]

How are you ladies doing? I'm trying to get back on track after a weekend away with my hubby. LE is hard for me this time. I sometimes wonder if it is because the desire for a baby is stronger than the desire for a girl. In fact, I would need to figure that out.

Even more than the LE diet, what is putting me off is the OPK's and the one attempt. I didn't find my LH peak this cycle and that scares me. And I even wonder if I don't want to just try for a baby instead of pink. But 10 minutes later I look at my daughter and so desperately want to give her a little sis. It's psychological torture! :giggle:

Could you just be having a short surge? I think that was my problem


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[Fiya]

I could have written this exactly! Negative OPK for surge and all. I do badly want a girl, but more than anything I just want a baby. When is your attempt month?


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September, but I had lots of cheats, so October would be smarter. This is my first real cycle after having my IUD removed, so I'm waiting for AF to gain a better understanding in the length of my cycle. I ran out of OPK's on day 15 of my cycle, so that didn't help either.

And you, when is your first attempt?

[Parying4agirl]

Has anyone had negative responses from family/friends about having another? This will be our 4th and hasn’t been great reactions. Frustrates me how everyone can’t wait for your first, keep asking when you will have a second, are hesitant and question why you have a 3rd and then assume you are done?


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Ive got my family, some friends and even my consultant(!!) saying thats enough, my first born passed away and ive got 3 other children and cos theyve all had small gaps everyone thinks i should be done, evenmore so now cos ive got my lil girl. However ive always wanted two girls at least, so i will try for another if its possible.

[ThinkingofPink]

I’ll never understand why anyone thinks it’s their business. That decision belongs to the two people growing their family.

[ThinkingofPink]

I’m actually doing pretty well on this diet. I have to be dairy and soy free for my son who I am breastfeeding so I think I may be so used to that restriction that the LE diet doesn’t seem difficult. Last time I had a lot harder time with it. I am still a little high on fat most days but nothing crazy. My biggest challenge is actually eating enough! I’m really trying not to lose any weight but I get so full before I even finish my meals. I’ve never had this problem before because I’ve always been a big eater and snacker. I’m hoping that’s a good sign that I’m eating and feeling so different this time around!

[ginger222]

I’m lacking motivation with the diet because I’m struggling with deciding whether I really want a third baby. I feel like deep down I really want another, but life is so much easier now that my youngest is 2. Anyone with 3 (or more) kids have input? Will my life be so much more chaotic or difficult with a third kid?!


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[laurelw]

I’m lacking motivation with the diet because I’m struggling with deciding whether I really want a third baby. I feel like deep down I really want another, but life is so much easier now that my youngest is 2. Anyone with 3 (or more) kids have input? Will my life be so much more chaotic or difficult with a third kid?!


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Life is busier with a third definitely. It’s another person.. and then there is the going back to the baby stage again. BUT I would have not done it any other way. She is magical, the kids love each other so much and I especially like the relationship that’s forming between my eldest and youngest. It’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen before. And all of that makes up for me for the extra effort. Though I should add that we are having another one so we always did want a big family.


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[Fiya]

I’m lacking motivation with the diet because I’m struggling with deciding whether I really want a third baby. I feel like deep down I really want another, but life is so much easier now that my youngest is 2. Anyone with 3 (or more) kids have input? Will my life be so much more chaotic or difficult with a third kid?!


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I could have written Laurel's words. My thirth is an amazing addition to our tribe. She is such a happy, funny little person with tons of energy. Her brothers totally adooooore her and they play a lot together. It sure is more work, there is always one in need of attention, sad, sick or needing help with homework. But since we're adding a fourth, no regrets whatsoever here.

[Star_bright06]

Hi all could i please join? Looking to try conceive my first girly so been reading looking for any advice possible regarding the LE diet going to start it tomorrow. Any advice in the mean time please?

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi all could i please join? Looking to try conceive my first girly so been reading looking for any advice possible regarding the LE diet going to start it tomorrow. Any advice in the mean time please?

Hi and welcome! Please start a new thread (by clicking open a forum and you'll see the "start new thread" option there) and hit me with all your questions!

[ginger222]

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Well... oops [emoji87]

I was wondering why AF still hasn’t shown up. I never did have a cycle and never did completely wean so hopefully that will work in my favour [emoji1745]*[emoji3601]


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[HopingForHairbows]

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Well... oops [emoji87]

I was wondering why AF still hasn’t shown up. I never did have a cycle and never did completely wean so hopefully that will work in my favour [emoji1745]*[emoji3601]


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Wooo!!! Congrats Ginger!!

[Nayla]

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Well... oops [emoji87]

I was wondering why AF still hasn’t shown up. I never did have a cycle and never did completely wean so hopefully that will work in my favour [emoji1745]*[emoji3601]


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Congrats ginger ;) wish you the best

[Fiya]

Oh my god ginger, that's amazing :running:

How are you feeling about it since you were asking us the question just before if a thirth was hard? How did hubby react?

[ginger222]

Thanks Nayla and Hairbows! It’s starting to sink in, my first surprise pregnancy!


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[ginger222]

Oh my god ginger, that's amazing :running:

How are you feeling about it since you were asking us the question just before if a thirth was hard? How did hubby react?

Thank you! Haha kind of ironic that I was pregnant at the time! Hubby seems pretty excited, which is making me feel better [emoji4]


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[ThinkingofPink]

Congratulations!

[Princess Mom]

I will most likely try either September or October, I really want to add clomid but no way will my doc prescribe it to me, is there any legit online pharmacy to purchase clomid without a rx?

[Princess Mom]

I’m on diet 2 weeks now, I’m so confused on when to start trying! I’m on BC so I want to try to catch the first egg since it sways pink! I am going to Disney World for Thanksgiving and want to be pregnant by then, if I get pregnant in September that would be 12 weeks on diet and around 10 weeks pregnant at Disney, or around d 14-15 weeks diet and 6 weeks pregnant at Disney. I usually get pregnant fast so I just hope I don’t have to be on LE diet at Disney haha

[ThinkingofPink]

I’m on diet 2 weeks now, I’m so confused on when to start trying! I’m on BC so I want to try to catch the first egg since it sways pink! I am going to Disney World for Thanksgiving and want to be pregnant by then, if I get pregnant in September that would be 12 weeks on diet and around 10 weeks pregnant at Disney, or around d 14-15 weeks diet and 6 weeks pregnant at Disney. I usually get pregnant fast so I just hope I don’t have to be on LE diet at Disney haha

I think trying once you’ve been on the diet for twelve weeks gets the best results. It seems like there is no real benefit to waiting any longer than that. Im like you, there is no way my doctor would give me either clomid or femara. You probably already said but did you sway to get either of your daughters?

[Princess Mom]

I think trying once you’ve been on the diet for twelve weeks gets the best results. It seems like there is no real benefit to waiting any longer than that. Im like you, there is no way my doctor would give me either clomid or femara. You probably already said but did you sway to get either of your daughters?

My first DD no, my second DD yes, I wanted a girl and swayed pink!

[hollygolightly]

Hey, I'd like to join too! :-)

We are going to be trying in October time.
I already have two boys 3 and 18 months. I swayed for a girl last time but used the timing method which didn't work.

I've started the le diet only 2 days in and I plan to start exercising. I've not skipped breakast yet but trying to have a larger gap between dinner and breakfast the next day. I'm going mostly vegetarian and no snacking.

I'm thinking of going running a couple of times a week. I'm really out of practise so might do the coach potatoe to 5k app. how much cardio a week should I be aiming for? What are people doing exercise wise?

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[Thirdtimelucky01]

Hey, I'd like to join too! :-)

We are going to be trying in October time.
I already have two boys 3 and 18 months. I swayed for a girl last time but used the timing method which didn't work.

I've started the le diet only 2 days in and I plan to start exercising. I've not skipped breakast yet but trying to have a larger gap between dinner and breakfast the next day. I'm going mostly vegetarian and no snacking.

I'm thinking of going running a couple of times a week. I'm really out of practise so might do the coach potatoe to 5k app. how much cardio a week should I be aiming for? What are people doing exercise wise?

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Hi hollygolightly and welcome! I also have two boys 2.5 and 10 months so I’m similar to you. Just started the diet though I’m planning to keep breakfast (as discussed with Atomic) as my gap between dinner and breakfast is already 15-16 hours. Planning to do 1 hr walking 6-7 times a week with the pram plus some cardio if no time for walking outside. Am planning to start trying around October/November. You mentioned you used the timing method last time you swayed - what was your timing?


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[hollygolightly]

hey, thanks for the welcome! :-)
I will be starting a 1hr dance class once a week in two weeks time and I'm also thinking about running/walking again. really need to get started.

That's so great that you'll be able to fit in that much walking with the pram. wish I could do the same but my eldest likes to walk along with me and we don't get anywhere quickly.... lol.

i think it may have been some form of the skettels method. essentially we had tried very regularly to attempt to reduce sperm count right up to about i believe 2 days before ovulation. so essentially if i understand correctly we had two many attempts within the fertile window which is most likely why we had our lovely boy! :-)

so really focusing on diet and exercise this time round xx



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[Thirdtimelucky01]

hey, thanks for the welcome! :-)
I will be starting a 1hr dance class once a week in two weeks time and I'm also thinking about running/walking again. really need to get started.

That's so great that you'll be able to fit in that much walking with the pram. wish I could do the same but my eldest likes to walk along with me and we don't get anywhere quickly.... lol.

i think it may have been some form of the skettels method. essentially we had tried very regularly to attempt to reduce sperm count right up to about i believe 2 days before ovulation. so essentially if i understand correctly we had two many attempts within the fertile window which is most likely why we had our lovely boy! :-)

so really focusing on diet and exercise this time round xx



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Hm interesting. We had just one attempt at positive OPK with my DS1 and two attempts at positive OPK with DS2, I did lost of cardio second time around and was at my lowest weight in 20 years! (bMI 18.5!) having lost 17 kilos since I had DS1. So the only thing I haven’t tried yet is the diet which I’ll be doing this time - if after that I have another boy I guess I’m just meant to be a boy mum! Can’t think of anything else to change!


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[hollygolightly]

yes diet must have a big impact on sway success! Are you following the LE diet? I've started but still getting my head round it really. It seems I was eating and drinking a very boy friendly diet as I am having to make a lot of changes. I seem to be eating within the recommended calorie intake but either going over on protein or on fat even though for the past 5 days I have had meat once and fish once. so I've got some tweaking to do...
if anyone has any suggestions on what to eat it would be great to hear from you :-)

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[Fiya]

Welcome @hollygolightly. If you want to be added to the recap on page 1, you can give me your info and I'll add you.

[Fiya]

Could anyone pleeease send AF my way?

I had my IUD removed on the 13th of June, AF arrived on the 29 th of June, so I was actually happy things got started right away. But since then, I'm less happy. I didn't get a positive OPK this cycle and I should have had my period on the 27th of July, but still nothing. My ovaries hurt, pregnancy test is a BFN and I'm NOT a patient person.

With being on LE and doing a pink sway, I need to know when I ovulate. If I don't have regular cycles, I don't know how I'll manage.

[Fiya]

@Ginger: how are you since your BFP? Did you get your HCG checked?

[Fiya]

Ok ladies, apparently it helped talking to you, because I got my period just after having typed this message lol. 34 days... I'm hoping to find my ovulation in august :flowerz:

[atomic sagebrush]

Fiya I think you may have ovulated later with the IUD out (may be ovulating NOW!) If you don't want to get pregnant be sure you are using protection.

It should normalize in time but if you don't get your period by the end of this month I'd see a doc.

[Ukmom2boys]

Hey ladies, sorry been so quite lately, hope your all well! I was on the diet from May! I found out yesterday that I got my BFP!! So shocked it worked on our first attempt. We are both so exited!

[ginger222]

@Ginger: how are you since your BFP? Did you get your HCG checked?

The nausea and fatigue has hit me hard! I did get hcg checked, but haven’t been to the Dr. yet. I have a dating ultrasound next week, so I’ll hopefully find out due date then :)


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[killia]

Hey, I'd like to join here as well! When everything goes well, I'll be making the first TTC a girl attempt in October or November. It's going to be my first pregnancy [emoji177]

I'm probably going to go for the LE diet (and probably dig into other materials, when I'm swaying, I want to sway properly :D)

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[laurelw]

AF has arrived so I’m on my second attempt month. Hope this is the one!
This month going to not use any lube and will wait 5 min laying, I did a jump and dump last month as the littlest started crying and I had to tend to her in her bed. Also going to do the attempt on the def positive day, I think it wasn’t a true positive this month on the day we did..


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[tambot]

Hi ladies, I hope it's ok for me to join. I have 2 boys (4 and 15mo) and still BF the little one. I'll be starting the LE diet tomorrow and TTC in Oct/Nov/Dec. My periods are still irregular so I'm working on using the OPK to get my ovulation time down. This is all overwhelming so I hope I can get some guidance and support as this is going to be a bumpy ride!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome tambot! These support threads are great, but if you have any questions for me specifically be sure to start a new thread and post! I don't always read these because they move very quickly and have lots of different people in them, so whenever you guys have a q for me post them separately so I see them!

[Pinkin2019]

Hi ladies, I’m hoping I can join this group too :) We will be having our first attempt at the end of this month (if ovulation happens when I expect it will). I’ve been on the diet for 16 weeks and went vegetarian at the beginning of the year. I’ve lost about 4kgs and I’m getting too skinny, despite eating more cals and fat than I should some days. I’m eating 3 meals a day - but I see most people eat 2... anyone else eating 3? I am getting 16-17 hours between dinner and breakfast.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Hi ladies, I’m hoping I can join this group too :) We will be having our first attempt at the end of this month (if ovulation happens when I expect it will). I’ve been on the diet for 16 weeks and went vegetarian at the beginning of the year. I’ve lost about 4kgs and I’m getting too skinny, despite eating more cals and fat than I should some days. I’m eating 3 meals a day - but I see most people eat 2... anyone else eating 3? I am getting 16-17 hours between dinner and breakfast.

I’m eating 3 as well with 16 hours between dinner and breakfast but I’m yet to cut out most of my meat, I struggle with that bit!!! Do you have any kids? Good luck and pink dust!


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[laurelw]

Hi ladies, I’m hoping I can join this group too :) We will be having our first attempt at the end of this month (if ovulation happens when I expect it will). I’ve been on the diet for 16 weeks and went vegetarian at the beginning of the year. I’ve lost about 4kgs and I’m getting too skinny, despite eating more cals and fat than I should some days. I’m eating 3 meals a day - but I see most people eat 2... anyone else eating 3? I am getting 16-17 hours between dinner and breakfast.

I am eating 3, sometimes 4 a day. But keeping to my totals well. I did have a cheat day yesterday and had some pork though! I’ve been missing it so much. And it was sooo good!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Pork is one of the better cheats because it has a lot of Omega 6 fats in it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi ladies, I’m hoping I can join this group too :) We will be having our first attempt at the end of this month (if ovulation happens when I expect it will). I’ve been on the diet for 16 weeks and went vegetarian at the beginning of the year. I’ve lost about 4kgs and I’m getting too skinny, despite eating more cals and fat than I should some days. I’m eating 3 meals a day - but I see most people eat 2... anyone else eating 3? I am getting 16-17 hours between dinner and breakfast.

Both 2 and 3 meals are equally allowed. I had 3 when I got my girl

[ForeverRestless]

Hello there ladies!
Italian gal here, 35 yo, trying to conceive a baby girl after 2 lovely boys (aged 4 and 17months)
Happy to join this ttc thread!:HH:

I recently had a chemical (BFP on august 24th) and even if it doesn't sway girl as much as a later-on m/c I want to try and catch this egg before AF.
Currently CD8 and I am foreseen to O in 1 week, although going by body signs I think ovulation wont be this far away.
I am following the 21days Meal plan, skipping bf, 3 coffees daily, 1-2 glasses of wine 3+ evening x week, exercising 7/7 1 hr cardio x day (fast walk outdoor/jogging or indoor cyclette if rainy).
Planning for 1 attempt at +opk with no jellies or other stuff other than maybe a hint of sylk as lube as I am pretty dry lately.

Good luck and pink dust to everyone!!

[Fiya]

Hi everyone,

I'm sorry I didn't come to write here for a while. The reason is we decided we didn't really care about the gender of our fourth bean. We wanted to conceive naturally without having to do OPK's, the one attempt and everything. So no pink sway for me, but I wish you all the very very best with yours.

AND: we've just found out we're pregnant again :) Due June 9th!

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck Fiya! Huge congrats!!

[ThinkingofPink]

Congratulations!!

[Baby286]

I am the mother of the cutest darling little boy, now 20 months. We are hoping for a baby girl to join our family next Fall. We will have our second attempts in November. By then I will have been on the le diet for nearly 3 months. I am sticking to 2 meals a day with coffee three times a day, lots of water & the odd Diet Coke. I am having coffee in the morning & lunch at 1.30pm which is usually a sandwich & soup, dinner at 7pm & a glass of wine 2\3 times a week. I also walk lots of during the day. I was a massive tea drinking but giving it has been easier than I managed though I do have the odd cup once or twice a week. Best of luck with your sway mama’s xx [emoji179][emoji176][emoji175]


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[2BlueNeedPink]

Hi all,

I have been lurking all over the internet and in every book I can get my hands on trying to figure out the best way to TTC a girl. I have two boys, age 18 months and 4 months, that I now know were both conceived because of both my diet and the extreme frequency of our BD each time. Both times I got a BFP the first month we tried, but I have had increasing GD each time around as I have always wanted a girl and just cannot imagine being a mother of only boys. This is just me being completely honest. I love both my boys, but I feel our family would be most complete with a girl, as well.

Things I have read up on include The Babydust Method, O+12, the Shettles Method (which I understand to have been based on IVF pregnancies and therefore different entirely from the natural method, correct me if I'm wrong on this), the Dutch study, Fench Diet, etc. I have kind of taken bits and pieces from some of them in constructing my sway plan below, but overall I have found the real life experiences of the women with successful sways here on Gender Dreaming to have been the most helpful and made the most sense. That's why I ultimately ended up deciding to create an account here while I'm on my TTC journey.

DH has been convinced to try to for baby #3 as he wants a girl, as well, but we have both agreed that this will be our last baby. The reason is, I had extremely difficult pregnancies both times: severe preeclampsia, extreme gestational hypertension that lingered for several months postpartum, and two highly-traumatic emergency C-sections after failed inductions at 37 weeks (one due to a prolapsed cord, the other due to me starting to go into uterine rupture during an attempted VBAC). I know my body likely cannot sustain more than one more pregnancy, so I am trying to do everything in my power to sway girl this last time around. I have read statistics about how the more boys you have, the more likely you are to have more boys, might have been over on IG I saw that, I don't recall, so that makes me even more apprehensive about giving this one more go and rolling the gender dice again.

I weaned my youngest a few weeks ago due to him having a breastmilk intolerance (I tried eliminating all kinds of food from my diet in hopes that would help, but nothing did). My AF had already returned, however, and I have been tracking my cycle for two months already using OPK, BBT, and CM. BBT is rather useless to me at this point because my youngest still wakes multiple times in the night so I never get a good chunk of sleep in, but I have been ovulating regularly as per the OPKs, and my CM follows a predictable cycle, as well. Last month my cycle in general was longer than usual by four days, but I was happy to see my luteal phase was a normal length despite it being so soon postpartum. I do take a Vitamin B6/B12 supplement to try to keep my luteal phase at optimal length because I had issues with that when I was TTC DS#2. I still conceived, but I has about a 10-day luteal phase which I know is cutting it pretty close.

After reading whatever I could get my hands on diet wise, I have cut out all my supplements except the cal-mag, folic acid, and i take a cranberry supplement as I have heard a lot of folks say cranberry is really good. Because I can't exercise strenuously as I'm worried about my scar, I walk every so often when DH is off and can spell me with the boys. Other than that I have cut out all meat, not much of a meat-eater anyway, cut down on sugar, eliminated all dairy outside of skim milk, loaded up on salad greens and rice cakes, and restricted my diet to 1800 calories or less per day. I am drinking a lot of Diet Dr. Pepper for the aspartame (can't stand diet Coke), as well as a Crystal Light knockoff from my local grocery, and cranberry juice. I'm additionally trying to restrict any and all other liquids to dry up my CM if I can. I am also testing pH. Although I am skeptical of whether this matters, I figure it can't hurt and right now my numbers are about 5.5.

I calculate I am about two weeks out from ovulating, so the plan based on what I have read here is to BD once when I get a positive OPK, then jump and dump after five minutes and see if that catches. I am nervous because I have had no problems getting pregnant with the boys, but again that was with us BD every day or every other day, so I am concerned that just once per month will not get me pregnant. We will see. DH participated in a research study just before I got pregnant last time where they took his sperm count, and at that point it was slightly higher than average, and motility was just above average, as well. I am not sure whether this helps or hurts us in the TTC girl realm, clearly it has not been a problem getting us boys! However, he was in the gym a lot more when TTC both of them, now with back-to-back babies at home I need help a lot and he doesn't work out as much. He is also a huge caffeine drinker, but otherwise eats extremely healthy. I am hoping he will take the licorice root and olive leaf extract I picked up for him, but he has yet to do so and I don't want to nag him about it.

At any rate, I would welcome any conversation and critiques on my sway plan, or what there is of it. It really is tentative at this point and I honestly don't expect my BFP in the first month. I am just praying that pink dust will fall on us this time, I even listened to that old wives' tale and put a pink baby dress under our bed--lame, I know, I'm sorry. At the end of the day, a healthy final baby is the best outcome, even if it is a boy, and we will love our new addition regardless, but I can't help wishing with everything in me for pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

HI and welcome 2BlueNeedPink.

Hey, trust me - we all understand that feeling of not being able to imagine our life without that particular gender baby we're wishing for. You're among friends here. :)

Unfortunately much of that info - Babydust, O+12, Shettles is as you say based on bad science and/or has been debunked. The Dutch and French Diets are also quite sketchy, just that no one has bothered to debunk them yet, LOL.

Just to clarify Shettles wasn't based on IVF pregnancies (which didn't exist when he was coming up with his theory) but on his looking through a microscope and seeing big and small sperm, and assuming that the big ones were X and the small ones were Y. But this was never true, you can't tell the difference between X and Y sperm by looking at them. What Dr. Shettles saw was uncapacitated and capacitated sperm, and so all his assumptions about X sperm being slow and living a long time, and Y sperm being fast and dying quickly, that ALL timing methods are based on (including Babydust, the Dutch study, etc), is completely untrue and has been debunked by every reputable source that studied them using modern technology to pinpoint ovulation. You guys are are always welcome to use timing if you'd like, but just so you know going in that they don't work.

Despite the fact that most of us on here have 3+ boys, we get 70% or even better depending on tactic used with swaying. The stats on Ingender were in people who had the same lifestyle over time, but we can help you change your lifestyle in a more pink friendly way.

Just to throw this out here, is IVF/PGD an option?? Given your medical history and the fact that this will probably have to be your last pregnancy, I do want to encourage a thought that direction since swaying is never a guarantee and I hate to see anyone with strong gender desire who doesn't at least consider the possibility.

I really have to suggest the B6/b12 supps be weaned off of. (don't drop them, wean off.) Many of us, myself included, got boys taking them after being told by the old school sites they were ok for a pink sway. 10 day LP is long enough to conceive with.

I really really urge you to ditch the cranberry. The people who say it's good are wrong. The other sites track their results as a group, meaning if people don't do EVERYTHING exactly the way the site says (and often this is dozens, if not hundreds of things) they don't include the results in our stats. This means that ineffective tactics can "piggyback" on things that do work, and it makes things like cranberry, which does nothing, look effective when it's not. Since we track our results by individual tactic, we can see when one thing in isolation isn't working, and cranberry does nothing - same number of people get girls with and without it. The problem is, not only is it ineffective, but cranberry also has some risks and side effects (not to mention the nutrients in it may even sway blue) and I can't recommend it for anyone. If you must take it, that's your choice of course but be very careful not to take it during pregnancy as it may cause miscarriage, and please don't mix it with any other blood thinning supps (such as aspirin and Sudafed)

Walking is actually the best exercise and I highly recommend it. We advise 60 min 4 or more days a week if at all possible.

I'm really concerned you're not eating enough. Have you ever tallied up the amoutn of food you're getting?? This is not a starvation diet, and if you stop ovulating (which happens with great frequency when people cut back too far) you aren't going to be able to get pregnant without reversing course on diet and eating a lot more than that (which likely would sway blue a lot more than if you'd just held steady at a somewhat higher amount of food, since you will be sending a signal to your body that times were bad, but have improved) It looks to me like you're eating no fat, which will stop ovulation even if your cal intake is normal.

minimum you need 40-50 g protein, 30-60 g fat, and for most people 1500-1800 calories to continue ovulating. People who are very petite can go down to 1200-1500, but that's a minority of people.

I'm not a fan of pH testing but as long as you can keep from getting super obsessed over it (being a control freak and thinking about swaying constantly may sway blue) then it's your call of course!

:agree: BD once and J and D after five minutes.

We have gotten pretty bad results with LR (remember how we track our results differently, so ours are more accurate for individual sway tactics) and it's sitting at an absolutely horrifying 31%. This means that 69% of the people whose husbands took it got BOYS even with otherwise good sways. I keep it in the mix for those who can't live without it but I would never ever take it for pink, personally. OLE is fine, but honestly I have serious doubts it does anything either, but for sure avoid LR. I'd try not to worry about his diet too much, it's really not seemed to matter what hubbies do and eat anywhere near as much as ours.

Hope this helps! Tons of pink dust coming your way.

[2BlueNeedPink]

Hi Atomic,

Thank you for taking the time to type out that detailed reply, you have given me some good ideas on shoring up my plan. I can definitely cut out the cranberry and phase off the B6/B12. My DH will probably not take the LR, anyway, so I can likely ditch that, as well. I do get some fat here and there in my diet, every so often I have a lowfat mozzarella stick or cup of lowfat, unflavored yogurt (although I try to limit this as I don't want dairy products to sway me blue), every day I have a TBSP of unsalted either cashews or almonds, and I will also mix a TBSP of either mayo or virgin olive oil in with the vegetable-based pasta I eat with chia seeds and broccoli. While it is true that my daily fat quotient has been drastically cut, I just came off of a fairly high-fat HE diet while breastfeeding, about 2500 calories per day, so if anything I am hoping that if I do get a BFP this month the abrupt change from high-fat to reduced fat will sway pink for me. If I don't get a BFP this month, though, I will likely have to add a bit more fat in just to sustain for another cycle; as it is I am hungry literally all the time. I think my body is probably in shock going from three big meals a day to six small grazes.

It's very difficult for me to eat along these lines because prior to my pregnancies I was a competitive rucker (basically speed-walking with weight, I usually carried 35-50 pounds in a rucksack) doing marathon-length courses, so my diet was, although healthy, very carb-heavy and I drank a ton of water all the time. Prior to that I spent 10 years in the military with lots of running and bodyweight exercises on a continual basis, and I did competitive weightlifting for the second half of high school before that. I realize in hindsight that this pattern likely contributed strongly to me inadvertently swaying blue twice, but anyway I said all that to underscore that I am pretty unfamiliar with meat-restricted low-calorie regimens (as I said in my initial post, I don't like meat but I used to eat a lot of chicken and lean beef to garner the benefits of complete proteins) so I am kind of figuring it out as I go. I do calorie count, and though my daily goal is pretty low I usually average over that, coming in at between 1200 and 1500 calories daily. My BMI is currently in the 22s, as I have 10 pounds left to lose to get myself back to pre-DS2 weight (13 to get back to my pre-DS1 weight) where my BMI was about 21.5.

As far as IVF/PGD goes, our insurance will not cover it unless there is a history of infertility which for us is not the case, and as a matter of pride my DH refuses to go out of pocket for something he says we can do ourselves for no cost. As you might suspect, although he also wants a girl he is nowhere near as heavily into the sway as I am. He and his family are extremely religious, and he is against PGD on principle based on that. I brought it up once--never again! He finds sway methods interesting, but thinks that a higher power ultimately decides what gender we get, and I can't demand he go against his faith no matter how much I want a girl, wouldn't be fair to him. So you see my predicament...I am very much hopeful that I am able to use the elements of sway in favor of pink naturally.

Also, quite honestly I am a perfectionist so I feel as though knowing the low statistical probabilities of IVF or IUI "catching" the first time around would make me worry constantly about the procedure and shoot myself in the foot, so to speak, on facilitating a successful implantation. This way, all I have to do is wait for a dark OPK, DTD, and then survive the TWW (which is ridiculously long), so maybe it's better that the IVF option is off the table. At any rate, perhaps I will have trouble conceiving this time around, so it will come to the point where insurance covers it and in that case my DH would let it happen. Given my history of fast conception, though, I kind of doubt it will take us that long. I just worry that he makes more male swimmers so no matter what I do I will still fail and end up with another boy. :worry: I feel quite petty having this mindset because I see so many people on here struggling to get their BFP, and for me I know that will happen, my greatest fear is of blue coming up at the NIPT. It was so hard to handle last time around that I already dread the idea of having to weather another blue pregnancy and all the people asking about if we are going to "try again" for a girl when I know we can't after this one. I am trying to be positive, though, so I don't sway blue by having too much anxiety over something that really, when it comes down to it, nature controls and not me. Think I will have hubs take a hot shower before we DTD, though--you know, just in case. :p

Recently, three of my friends have had a girl after two boys, and although they all gave me conflicting information on how they went about it (each used a different sway method/tactic) seeing them get their girls makes me feel like it is possible. I do not think there is a familial predisposition to blue, either, as I have one older sister and one younger brother and DH has an older sister (who herself has one girl, one boy). Who knows what role family genetics even play, if any, in predetermination of likelihood of gender--there are so many different factors and variables in play from generation to generation that I think that would be impossible to accurately test, or at least not with a high confidence interval--but going in knowing that there is not a long line of, say, only boys on either side gives me additional hope of success.

One last note, my family is very unsupportive of me wanting to try for a girl after how awful my last two pregnancies were. Weirdly, I really enjoy being pregnant despite the medical problems so I have zero qualms about doing this one more time in that respect. But I could never, ever mention to either side of the family that we are TTC pink with a sway for this pregnacy. So it is nice to find a site where folks go through the same GD struggles as me, but here we don't have to hide it away for fear of backlash or social stigma. I know that healthy is the most important thing for a baby regardless of gender, and I am so thankful that neither of my boys experienced bad repercussions from my rollercoaster pregnancies. With that said, though, I don't think it's wrong to want something that hasn't come your way yet, and I know just settling on this and leaving it at two kids is not something I can do because I would always look back and wonder whether the third time would've been the pink charm for me. So I have to at least try, and I so much appreciate your help, advice, and not judging me.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. The problem with this plan is that eating well, then cutting back sharply, then eating more, will be interpreted by your body as an improvement in condition (if it doesn't mess up your cycle, which it very well may). I really do urge you to eat a consistent amount of calories rather than cutting back too far and course correcting. It backfires on people in several ways.

It's excellent news that your BMI was over 21. I'm thrilled by that and that means we're ~probably~ not in the danger zone for stopping ovulation.

Totally cool if IVF isn't for you guys. I do like to mention it simply because some people haven't heard about it and others have a misconception that swaying will be a guarantee.

The good news I can share is that it's impossible for men to make only or mostly boys. The reason for this is because men are made up of XY cells that divide in the testicles to make half X and half Y sperm. Now, could it be that these X and Y sperm might go on to be healthier or longer lived or better at fertilizing an egg, perhaps, but we have no data that is the case and so while it's something people worry about a lot, it's really not a thing. Take it from someone who had 4 boys over 21 years' time before getting a girl - no one makes only boys! :agree: whatever is swaying, it is likely primarily lifestyle and not genetic in nature.

That having been said it is of course possible to sway and get an opposite. We do seem to get about 25-30% opposites even under ideal circumstances, but this is true for blue swayers too, so that indicates we're going from possibly 70% likely to have boys, to 70% likely to have girls, which is a huge sway.

Re anxiety - the issue is not the anxiety. Set that aside. We all have tons of anxiety about our sways and there's no way of getting around that. It's a normal response to something we want so badly. I don't want to see you start having anxiety over having anxiety and assuming that every time you feel nervous about your sway, that means you're going to fail at your sway. It's not how it works. Now, as for personality factors, I'll give it to you straight, the way you are presenting your sway to me does fit right in with what we call the boy mom personality. Very detail oriented, methodical, dedicated and a high achiever, likes to be in control, possibly competitive. But that is YOU. We can't change who we are and I don't want you to try, it's only another thing for you to approach in that detail oriented way. Just trust that the rest of us have similar personality types and we were still able to sway in tangible ways via diet, exercise, and some minor lifestyle changes and still get girls. It IS possible for you to do and it doesn't require a complete revamp of everything in your life. It's funny with swaying, that the best path to success is not to force it by trying to do everything under the sun as hard and thoroughly as you can, but by setting up a lifestyle, and following it, and then trying to forget you're even doing it, LOL. Letting go of the small stuff that does nothing, and giving over control (inasmuch as we're able, since we tend to be control freaks) is the key to success here.

So many of us have had the exact same experiences - no support from family/friends and them being directly opposed to us trying. But you're so right - there is nothing wrong with wanting something you haven't got yet!! If there were, no one would ever do anything! No one bats an eye (even admire) over people who their lives upside down and inside out...even risking their lives...pursuing dreams. Doing things like pursuing Olympic gold, driving in the Indy 500, climbing mountains, bungee jumping, traveling overseas, etc many of these things are risky in some way or the other. But for some reason, having a daughter (or a son) which is such a small and personal thing that really has no effect on anyone else, people feel fully entitled to sound off on that choice. It sucks. But yes you're totally among people who understand here and it's my hope that we can all be here to see your pink dream become reality.

[2BlueNeedPink]

Atomic,

Yes, I totally agree that it is easy to fall down the sway rabbit hole and want to control every piece of it. This is my first time attempting a sway and I already feel a pull towards wanting to do that. However, I am only on CD9 right now, and know from previous OPK experience that I tend to ovulate around the 18 - 20 day mark of my 30-day (average) cycle, so I have time to make some of the corrections you suggested and set myself up for the best possible chance, then just kind of leave it alone until I get my positive OPK. Thanks again for your help and for sending pink dust my way!

[atomic sagebrush]

Great! Keep us posted!

[2BlueNeedPink]

Will do, Atomic!

I have just started having EWCM and a rise in LH in the OPKs, so thinking I might ovulate early this month! I am a bit concerned, though, because I looked at my calcium supplement bottle this morning while filling my weekly supply (no idea why I didn't think of this before!), and I noticed that it has 125% daily value of Vitamin D in each pill! Yikes! :omg: I am freaking out just a little because I have read your comments in several forums that Vitamin D sways blue. Normally I wouldn't be worried and would just cut the supplement, but given that it looks like O is coming up on me do you think it would be too risky to BD this month, knowing that I have been unintentionally tanking up on Vitamin D? I really don't want to do anything to compromise my sway, but this oopsie might have done just that. Should I just let this cycle go and start over next month, or still give it a try when my OPK comes up? Right now I am testing 3 times per day after holding urine for 2+ hours prior (and no FMU!) just to be sure I don't miss my peak, and I am thinking I should be getting that positive in the next 12-24 hours or so, so not really a lot of time for the Vitamin D levels to diminish in my system. :sad: I am conflicted because I don't want to lose a month, but I also don't want to have a failed sway from slipping up in one area. :eek:

[2BlueNeedPink]

Update:

First cycle was a fail at achieving that BFP, even though my husband and I set up a perfect TTC-girl scenario: we DTD once when I got my positive OPK, he took a hot shower prior, I had him release shallowly (no O for me), then I did a jump n dump after five minutes. I am wondering if we should perhaps add in an attempt this month, but if we do so, when would be most beneficial to add in that second attempt? On the day of positive OPK? Husband is FR every 4 days on his own, and I am still following an LE diet and taking in about 18 oz of aspartame per day via diet Dr. Pepper and Crystal Light; only supplement I am taking is daily folic acid, 800 mcg. AF did come surprisingly early this month, and far lighter than normal, but I chalk that up to my body still evening everything out from me weaning.

[atomic sagebrush]

Will do, Atomic!

I have just started having EWCM and a rise in LH in the OPKs, so thinking I might ovulate early this month! I am a bit concerned, though, because I looked at my calcium supplement bottle this morning while filling my weekly supply (no idea why I didn't think of this before!), and I noticed that it has 125% daily value of Vitamin D in each pill! Yikes! :omg: I am freaking out just a little because I have read your comments in several forums that Vitamin D sways blue. Normally I wouldn't be worried and would just cut the supplement, but given that it looks like O is coming up on me do you think it would be too risky to BD this month, knowing that I have been unintentionally tanking up on Vitamin D? I really don't want to do anything to compromise my sway, but this oopsie might have done just that. Should I just let this cycle go and start over next month, or still give it a try when my OPK comes up? Right now I am testing 3 times per day after holding urine for 2+ hours prior (and no FMU!) just to be sure I don't miss my peak, and I am thinking I should be getting that positive in the next 12-24 hours or so, so not really a lot of time for the Vitamin D levels to diminish in my system. :sad: I am conflicted because I don't want to lose a month, but I also don't want to have a failed sway from slipping up in one area. :eek:

Oh no I'm so sorry, I don't always keep up to speed on these support threads - I had just lucked my way into your previous post!. Please always start your own thread (click open a forum, then you'll see the start new thread option) and then I'll be sure to see it.

To answer your first question I would not have had you wait (my justification would have been "you may not even get pregnant this month!")

That having been said I do want to point out that even though it shook out that way this time through, you can't always or even usually know on the basis of LH rising (I assume you're meaning slightly darkening OPK) and EWCM that ovulation will be early or when it's going to happen. It's possible to have that happen and then everything simmer down for a bit, and it's also possible to have that go on for a week or even more prior to O. I regularly have EWCM and O Pain for 7 or even 10 days prior to O (I have had a couple times of CD 3 EWCM and O pains for CD 14 O).

What times of day are you testing?? We may be able to eliminate some of those tests.

[atomic sagebrush]

Drop shallow release first. It is the single worst thing for conception people do. I would have you give it a go with one attempt for at least one month without shallow release before adding attempts.

FR every four days?? What do you mean by that?

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh wait I figured it out - you mean just release on his own every 4 days, right?? Don't change anything about that, that is fine

[2BlueNeedPink]

Sorry, I may have the terminology slightly wrong? He is releasing on his own every 4 days to try to lower his sperm count without risking getting me pregnant (as might occur if we tried just using condoms, and maintaining regular sex).

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I figured that out after I had hit send but I was distracted by an emergency cat box scooping LOL

Just to clarify, releasing every 4 days does NOT lower his sperm count. The true FR (which is releasing daily for 7-10 days) does lower sperm count - but unfortunately has not proved reliable for swaying anyway. Doing regular release every 4 days is actually good for sperm count, and while that seems like it ought to be a bad thing for swaying pink, it actually works quite well because it ups the chances of getting pregnant with one attempt (which does work!)

So I would have you ditch the shallow release and keep everything else the same.

[Pretty]

How’s everybody doing? I think I’ll probably end up pushing back my attempt until
The beginning of the year... still no cycle and I’m doing terrible on the diet

[atomic sagebrush]

Are you nursing?? We may need to relax some on diet to coax your cycle back.

[Pretty]

I am nursing but honestly diet has been non existent. I’m vegetarian but definitely a “fast food” vegetarian. I probably could nurse her less but I figure until I can get my eating under control I’d probably rather keep my period at bay and try to catch a first egg(?)

[Pretty]

I have a dumb question, but how long do the effects of a workout last? I read somewhere you like stairs for boy sways... I have to decorate my Christmas trees which takes several days and requires a ladder and countless trips up and down a ladder. Silly but should I be concerned?

[atomic sagebrush]

I am nursing but honestly diet has been non existent. I’m vegetarian but definitely a “fast food” vegetarian. I probably could nurse her less but I figure until I can get my eating under control I’d probably rather keep my period at bay and try to catch a first egg(?)

I never recommend altering your nursing pattern for swaying because they're only little once and for all we know you may not even be able to get pregnant again (it's always possible, even after having kids). I hate to see anyone cut their nursing short, or even changing it beyond what they're comfy with because it is such a special relationship.

Fine to keep doing what you're doing and just wait for the first egg.

Don't worry about the stairs. That's not exercise. That is just normal life. Please live your life as normal, and keep doing exactly what you're doing with your holiday decorations.

[Pretty]

Thank you!! Oh I definitely wouldn’t quit, I just nurse her all day like it’s an all you can eat buffet, she totally uses me as a pacifier and probably should get more baby food anyway. Is there any amount of cinnamon or spearmint capsules you think are safe?

Again, thank you for absolutely everything you do!! I honestly still can’t believe I have a daughter and am constantly asking my husband if she’s real and if we really get to keep her!

[atomic sagebrush]

That's always how I nursed too and I'd would not have you trade that for anything! :heart:

I do not want you to take either spearmint or cinnamon while nursing. There is NO reason for you to do that anyway. Mint has not worked and has made it take a really long time to get pregnant (making ovulation go missing, even without nursing) and would likely make it take much longer for your cycle to come back. Plus, it doesn't work anyway.

Cinnamon, I NEVER have anyone use cinnamon capsules. It's too high a dose. I would only have you use a 1/4 teaspoon (that is a microscopic amount!) and it really lowers your blood sugar massively even at that low a dose, so I only use that in people who have high blood pressure and have a large amount of weight to lose. (like 50 lbs or more) And I don't use it when breastfeeding at all since it can lower blood sugar and be a blood thinner and it does come thru in your milk. You can have a great sway without those things!

[Pretty]

Thank you so much!! You’re amazing!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Also, please please please always start a new thread to ask me these types of questions. I only just happened to read this thread; I don't normally read them since there's mostly just people chatting in them. I could easily have missed this and it was important that I answered since it was a safety question.

[2BlueNeedPink]

Month 2 was another fail for us at conceiving. DH and I are both discouraged as we had no problems getting pregnant with either of our boys, but then again our method both times was just nonstop baby-dancing up through my LH surge. But it seems like one time DTD a month is just not getting results for us, so we don't know what to try next. We did everything absolutely by the book when it came time to BD, and I was so crushed when AF showed up. I don't know how long I can keep trying knowing that we are significantly reducing our chances of getting pregnant at all by only getting busy once a month. It seems like a cruel trick of Mother Nature that this is the only way to up your chances of having a girl. :SS:

[atomic sagebrush]

Is your husband not releasing all month long???

When were yu having one attempt?

We don't have people go on and on not getting pregnant. That's not our way here on Gender Dreaming. You tried one attempt, gave it a whirl, now we'll change things up a little. We have a lot of wiggle room between one attempt and nonstop BD so please keep contacting me over time and I'll help you.

I would have you guys go to every 4 days now. BD every 72 hours starting after your period ends and continuing on till you're certain you've ovulated even if that means going on till your next period begins!

Can you tell me anything you did that may have lowered chances of conception? Many times people blame one attempt when they're doing 17 oher things that cut odds of conception. More info would help.

All that having been said I'd like to reassure you that 2 months is NOTHING. If you got pregnant faster than that in the past, that is extreme good fortune and not in any way indicative of what you should expect in the future (even without swaying.) It takes fully fertile people doing nothing to sway an average of 3-6 months to fall pregnant. So I really hate to see you guys despairing over 2 months!!! It's really not a big deal at all and for all we know you may have not been doing anything to sway this time and still have taken a few more month than you had in the past.

Pease don't hesitate to ask any quesions you have about how to boost your chances in the most pink friendly way we can.

[Princess Mom]

I’m on either cd 14 or 15 first cycle coming of bc pills so didn’t really have a proper AF. My temps are high and no dips, but my sleep pattern is awful I hardly sleep lol. I had 3 days of flashing smiley, and today is solid. But no temp dip, so strange! Maybe due to me not sleeping enough. I did BD last night, feel like I messed up I used replens and had big o, which I had big o with my dds so I’m not sold on it and didn’t have o and still had a boy.
Would of like to conceived a healthy baby girl this cycle, since I am going to Disney World for Christmas! The last time before last night we dtd was 6 days, we haven’t been having time for ourselves lately, been busy with Christmas, kids, and planning vacation.

[Princess Mom]

Month 2 was another fail for us at conceiving. DH and I are both discouraged as we had no problems getting pregnant with either of our boys, but then again our method both times was just nonstop baby-dancing up through my LH surge. But it seems like one time DTD a month is just not getting results for us, so we don't know what to try next. We did everything absolutely by the book when it came time to BD, and I was so crushed when AF showed up. I don't know how long I can keep trying knowing that we are significantly reducing our chances of getting pregnant at all by only getting busy once a month. It seems like a cruel trick of Mother Nature that this is the only way to up your chances of having a girl. :SS:

With my DD sway I BD cycle day 13 15 and 17 and ovulated on CD 16 , I was not getting pregnant with 1 attempt , I did in the past however and had a son, was not swaying though.

[2BlueNeedPink]

Thank you for the info Princess Mom! We are going to try upping the frequency a bit, maybe two or three times before my surge hits, and see how that goes. We want our kids to all be close together in age, and this one will be my last so it is REALLY hard to sway girl because both DH and I feel as though it is going to take us so long to get results. On the other hand, though, we are both really wanting a girl, so we are conflicted on what we are willing to give a little on.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you for the info Princess Mom! We are going to try upping the frequency a bit, maybe two or three times before my surge hits, and see how that goes. We want our kids to all be close together in age, and this one will be my last so it is REALLY hard to sway girl because both DH and I feel as though it is going to take us so long to get results. On the other hand, though, we are both really wanting a girl, so we are conflicted on what we are willing to give a little on.

PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS.

You will not boost your chances of conceiving very much, and risk having another boy. You're not doing enough to boost your chances of getting pregnant and you're risking your sway to do it. Having sex exclusively before the surge is going to dramatically lower your odds of conception not to mention the fact that you may miss your ACTUAL surge doing it that way if you ovulated sooner or later than you expect to.

I want you to start having unprotected sex every 4 days in the 72 hour pattern after AF ends and then add in one more attempt at posiive OPK whenever that comes. (and continue the e4d pattern afterwards too.) This is a good chance of conception without going full on blue.

[Princess Mom]

Oh oh I hope I didn’t give the wrong idea, with my sway dd I did do e4d, this cycle I only bd last week and then again two days ago. My temps r off n I think I’m ovulating today or yesterday. I might add another attempt tonight not sure, pretty sure I messed up. I got a solid smile yesterday morning. Had o cramps yesterday. So hard because I am not having any cm, maybe it’s due to coming off BC pills?

[Princess Mom]

So I’m in a swaying group on fb and have to leave because I just can’t stand to see ladies doing the wrong things! A lady just found out she having a 6th boy. Trying to tell them PH isn’t a huge factor at all ughh, oh well.

[Ukmom2boys]

Hi guys, I was on this group earlier this year, we DTD in July and got pregnant on the first go! Crazy! So was convinced it was a boy! I’m now 5months along with our gorgeous little GIRL!!!! 💕💕💕 I can thank this group for all the advise and tips! Love to all xx

[Nayla]

Huge congrats ukmom 🤗 really happy for you :)
I also was in this group, but I had to postpone my ttc and now I am off diet. I will maybe resume in one or two months.
I wish you the best

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi guys, I was on this group earlier this year, we DTD in July and got pregnant on the first go! Crazy! So was convinced it was a boy! I’m now 5months along with our gorgeous little GIRL!!!! ������ I can thank this group for all the advise and tips! Love to all xx

Thank you for updating us!!!

[Ukmom2boys]

Thanks ladies! Wishing you all so much love and luck with your sways. 💕💕

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Thanks ladies! Wishing you all so much love and luck with your sways. [emoji177][emoji177]

Congratulations! Did you post your sway? Was it one attempt at positive OPK?


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