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[djmommy]

I still dont think it was a real surge, but will keep up with e4d anyway and add another if I can .

[djmommy]

Wondering if this could be real? I have no cm..I have been sick so who knows?42184

[XXforhubby]

I think this is IT!! Eek! This is what I mentioned happened to me after my chemicals. Keep up the BDing, if you feel up for it being sick and all. I’m SO excited...[emoji1694][emoji1374]!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck!!! Very promising!!

[djmommy]

So annoying, I feel like these still look positive?42191

[atomic sagebrush]

Maybe, but remember that's the genius of the e4d, you just keep rolling with it and even with unreliable opk you are in with attempt!!

[djmommy]

Yea I am. I wasnt planning on using opks but since it has turned into a longer cycle for me it got the best of me. :/ They are too stressful when they are dark so often. I'm not testing anymore since the sickness has finally just about left us. Just didnt want to miss anything lol

[djmommy]

Well I obviously haven't ovulated. I just really hate these long cycles. I just always feel like they drag on and there is no chance. Ahhh...so frustrating
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[atomic sagebrush]

Yeah, those temps are obviously not what we'd want to see, but just try to keep in mind this may be the perfect month for all we know and it's the way it has to be to get that happy ending. :heart:

[djmommy]

Why are my temps so wackey?
I wonder if I will have an anovulatory cycle :(
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[atomic sagebrush]

Hmm, that could be a big surge of estrogen. I've often seen dips like that that take two days.

[djmommy]

Well I hope so but no CM whatsoever!! I dont remember my temps being so low ever.
Ahhhh...I'll wait and see.

[XXforhubby]

I think you’re about to ovulate. I would keep BDing. [emoji1694]


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[djmommy]

I definitely will keep bd :)!!
I'm just so confused. No cm, not much libido :(((((( and opks are still dark, maybe not full positive. Ugh....


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[atomic sagebrush]

What did temps do today??

[djmommy]

So strange , I was hoping this wouldn't be a wacky cycle :/. I dont even know how to confirm O because tempswere so high early on.
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[XXforhubby]

I bet tomorrow will give a better picture. I bet you will O within the next day or two. I had plenty of wacky cycles like this. I’m thinking things will get back on track soon.


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[atomic sagebrush]

I agree, I think we just need more temps. I know it sucks but the majority of the time, collecting more temps over a few days will tell the tale. :heart:

[djmommy]

I'm sure I haven't ovulated. My temp went to 98.5 today but I woke a little later and I have progesterone strips that are very negative :/.
I hate long cycles. I haven't had any fertile cm, or any at all and like I said no libido. I'm just sad. But I'm going to try to stay hopeful.

[atomic sagebrush]

FXFXFX!!!! I hope it happens soon and also that this is going to make a good egg for you.

[djmommy]

Oh my meeee too!!! I think I need to regroup and relax. I'm trying to take too much control and that causes me stress so I just want to try and go with the flow for now and just really pray and leave everything in Gods hands. It's just hard when you want something so much but I truly believe he will be the only one to make it happen no matter what I do. So hopefully I can stop being a control freak! Lol

[djmommy]

Just curious as to what this means? Why is my LH always high right now? I'm using up the last opk is that I have but I'm just so confused I don't understand why they're always look almost positive42227
One this morning and then this afternoon.

[atomic sagebrush]

There are lots of reasons why you can get lots of false positive OPK and I can't tell from here which of them might be the reason (and it's even possible for it to have been one reason in the past, and be a different reason this month). What I do know is that even with wonky cycles people can absolutely still get pregnant, it's just a matter of continuing to try. I know it so so so much sucks for things to be so unpredictable and weird though. :heart:

[djmommy]

Thanks.
Gosh yes its really exhausting trying to keep trying! Lol
Not knowing what is going on and feeling like it's not even worth trying. Ugh..... super frustrating.
A few people have told me to try vitex. I know you dont recommend it right?

[XXforhubby]

I would not use Vitex. It would be like throwing gas on a fire. Your cycle is working itself help by balancing your hormones after your chemical. It takes a bit of time, but like Atomic said, even crazy cycles can still lead to a BFP. It could be one of two things: 1. You’re gearing up to finally ovulate, or 2. It’s picking up your secondary estrogen surge that happens after you ovulate. Hang in there!!


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[djmommy]

Well I definitely havent ovulated! And I dont even know what to think about ovulating. Seems like things are just not right :( . I guess I want something to help. I know vitex probably wouldn't work for me but I think.....maybe....everyone recommends it!!!
I just dont know why my opks are like this. 12:30 and 2 :30? I would think if it was a real surge it wouldn't get lighter?
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[atomic sagebrush]

No, I don't recommend vitex. It may help people under 35 who have moderate to severe PCOS and refuse to do diet and exercise, but in your circumstances it would be a very bad idea. We had very few pregnancies over 35 the first few years of the site when we were using vitex and since I dropped it, our conceptions in that group have skyrocketed.

[djmommy]

Ok thank you. I figured you wouldn't recommend it and I feel like my body is so sensitive to stuff anyway it would probably not help.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm glad you asked, I know it's tough when several people say the same thing and then atomic is standing alone saying something different, but it's really caused massive problems for so many people I just think it would be a very bad idea.

[djmommy]

Well I definitely trust your judgment and I appreciate it! ❤

[4blue2pink]

sending lots of sticky christmas bfp dust your way DJ :heart: have a great Christmas and here's to 2020 being THE year for you!! xx

[djmommy]

sending lots of sticky christmas bfp dust your way DJ :heart: have a great Christmas and here's to 2020 being THE year for you!! xx

Thank you so so much 4blue!!
Wishing you and your family a Merry Christmas as well!!
Hoping and praying!! ❤❤����

[djmommy]

Happy New Year!
Well CD 44 and still.....no sign of Ovulation! So very frustrating. I'm so scared that I wont ovulate anymore! :(

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh no, I'm so sorry!! Long cycles are so frustrating! :(

[djmommy]

Do you think the Clearblue Advanced Digital with like the flashing Smiley is more accurate than the regular opk's? Or can I still get false positives from them? I have some and yesterday was a blank Circle this morning was a flashing and this afternoon was solid so I'm wondering how accurate it really is? I'm just so over this

[XXforhubby]

I think they are fairly accurate...I liked the ones that only give a solid smiley...pink ones. I’m not sure they are still made anymore.

My heart goes out to you!! Long, winky cycles suck!! Try and look at it this way: You’re body is working on rebalancing your hormones. I would keep BDing, if you can to be in a chance at catching the egg. I have not, and will not, stop praying for you.

(((Hugs)))


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[Thirdtimelucky01]

Do you think the Clearblue Advanced Digital with like the flashing Smiley is more accurate than the regular opk's? Or can I still get false positives from them? I have some and yesterday was a blank Circle this morning was a flashing and this afternoon was solid so I'm wondering how accurate it really is? I'm just so over this

I had one cycle like that recently with the quick surge - CD13 blank circle, CD14 flashy smiley in the morning followed by solid in the afternoon. But then the next month I had 8 days of flashy which was even more frustrating! It’s just never the same!


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[djmommy]

I think they are fairly accurate...I liked the ones that only give a solid smiley...pink ones. I’m not sure they are still made anymore.

My heart goes out to you!! Long, winky cycles suck!! Try and look at it this way: You’re body is working on rebalancing your hormones. I would keep BDing, if you can to be in a chance at catching the egg. I have not, and will not, stop praying for you.

(((Hugs)))


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:heart::heart::heart::heart::LotsofLove:
I cant tell you how much I appreciate you praying!!

[djmommy]

I had one cycle like that recently with the quick surge - CD13 blank circle, CD14 flashy smiley in the morning followed by solid in the afternoon. But then the next month I had 8 days of flashy which was even more frustrating! It’s just never the same!


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Yea sometimes it's super frustrating. I'm on like CD 40 something and I figured I would try the advanced since it measures both hormones. I have had a cycle where I had like 10 flashing smileys also and yep super duper frustrating. It's never the same !

[4blue2pink]

i used the clearblue where its either an empty circle or a solid smiley, no flashing! i think the flashing ones cause so much stress, people either dont have any flashing or like 10+ days of flashing till they are out of their minds with stress over it (which probably delays OV further) if you can get the ones without the flashing smileys id make the switch :)
i trust the CB tests so bd bd bd!! :D everything crossed for you :heart:

[atomic sagebrush]

i used the clearblue where its either an empty circle or a solid smiley, no flashing! i think the flashing ones cause so much stress, people either dont have any flashing or like 10+ days of flashing till they are out of their minds with stress over it (which probably delays OV further) if you can get the ones without the flashing smileys id make the switch :)
i trust the CB tests so bd bd bd!! :D everything crossed for you :heart:

YES!!!

[djmommy]

i used the clearblue where its either an empty circle or a solid smiley, no flashing! i think the flashing ones cause so much stress, people either dont have any flashing or like 10+ days of flashing till they are out of their minds with stress over it (which probably delays OV further) if you can get the ones without the flashing smileys id make the switch :)
i trust the CB tests so bd bd bd!! :D everything crossed for you :heart:

If I decide to do more ill buy those ones. The flashing smiley is annoying but only had one then a few hours later it was solid so not sure what to think. Time will tell as it always does!!!
Thanks 4 blue :heart:

[djmommy]

Just wondering what causes urine to be very alkaline?42279
Been having lots of CM but not exactly EWCM.

[djmommy]

YES!!!

So I got some of the open circle and smiley ovulation tests. They came today. The clearblue advanced showed a solid smiley yesterday after 4 days of flashing. I took the other kind (not the flashing) this morning and it was a smiley. I took another this evening just to see and it was open circle. I'm hoping it was a real surge. But of course my cycle is out of whack and I'm frustrated. Maybe it was a normal real surge? No hold this evening but the stick lines look the same color for one to be open circle and one to be a smiley?
Are you not supposed to look at the lines?
Hopefully I made sense..lol42280

[XXforhubby]

I think you got your surge! Ovulation will occur between 12-48 hours, on average. I think you’re in a great position!!

As far as the lines, I wouldn’t pay attention to those as much as the open circle or smiley.

I’m praying so hard for you!!!! [emoji1694][emoji1374]


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[4blue2pink]

dont worry about the lines :) 1 solid smile then back to open circle the next day is exactly what i always got on those tests, i think this is it!! :) everything crossed for you DJ :heart:

[atomic sagebrush]

Just wondering what causes urine to be very alkaline?42279
Been having lots of CM but not exactly EWCM.

Whatever you just ate or drank was alkaline, usually.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yep you're not supposed to look at the lines, only the smiley. Those test work a bit differently and it's measuring more than one thing in them, and the lines are not telling us anything compared to the smiley.

[djmommy]

Thanks!
Gosh I really hope this is real!
Had another attempt today, no temp rise yet!:pray::pray::pray::pray:

[4blue2pink]

FX FX FX so tightly for you :heart: xx

[atomic sagebrush]

FXFXFX! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

[dreamofdaughter]

Good luck! I hope it’s your month. ❤️

[XXforhubby]

Eeek! I’m hoping and praying that this is it!!! [emoji1694][emoji1374]!!!!


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[djmommy]

Well..I don't think I'm ever going to ovulate. Open circle this afternoon and smiley this evening. I tested to make sure it wasn't staying positive and it just seems like these crazy hormones are out of whack. So I obviously can't use opks... ugh....I'm just so frustrated 42290

[XXforhubby]

I’m wondering if this is picking up a secondary surge? This could also be an anovulatory cycle that is resetting things. Try and hang in there. Cycles like these are incredibly frustrating and just plain, suck! Try and keep you’re head up and not get too upset. Switch your focus on the big picture and not these upsetting details.

What got me through was allowing myself to take comfort in the presence that I could feel, like she was here with me...not letting her go....telling her and me that I am surrendering to allow her to come to me....I will keep trying because she is worth it....and getting my mind right to keep on going....even though it hurt so much while simultaneously remaining hopeful and excited...and taking comfort and solace in my children that bring me so much happiness...allowing their scent and love to wash over me to heal my heart....

(((Hugs))) [emoji1374]so hard for you.....


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[atomic sagebrush]

that does look anovulatory for now but you can still ovulate! People miss whole months assuming they're having anovulatory cycles when they just ovulate super late.

[djmommy]

I know. I remember having a long cycle last year and finally ovulated on CD 79! I'm just trying to figure things out which is probably making things worse and more stressful, right?!!
I thought that these opks would be less stressful but I just want to know why I keep getting positives!! A lot of times during the week I don't see DH. I try to do e4d but doesn't always work out.
I know I just need to let go. I guess I don't want to miss an attempt and would be really upset if I did, so that's where the opks come in but obviously they arent working. Could it really be that my body keeps trying to ovulate but fails? That surely can't be good.

[djmommy]

I’m wondering if this is picking up a secondary surge? This could also be an anovulatory cycle that is resetting things. Try and hang in there. Cycles like these are incredibly frustrating and just plain, suck! Try and keep you’re head up and not get too upset. Switch your focus on the big picture and not these upsetting details.

What got me through was allowing myself to take comfort in the presence that I could feel, like she was here with me...not letting her go....telling her and me that I am surrendering to allow her to come to me....I will keep trying because she is worth it....and getting my mind right to keep on going....even though it hurt so much while simultaneously remaining hopeful and excited...and taking comfort and solace in my children that bring me so much happiness...allowing their scent and love to wash over me to heal my heart....

(((Hugs))) [emoji1374]so hard for you.....


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Thank you so much XX. Your words are always so kind and mean so much. I try to do those things and am so very grateful for the beautiful children I have. I know I'm blessed. I truly don't want to give up but I wonder if its really going to happen. I truly feel like another baby is meant for us, its truly my hearts desire. But I know God is in control, not me so I have to surrender. Its hard

[4blue2pink]

keep going with the flow DJ its all you can do :heart: i dont even know where to start with "reading" charts so im no use to you there im afraid, but im keeping everything crossed for you xx

[atomic sagebrush]

It is neutral. Not good, not bad. It doesn't mean anything dire, just that your body isn't quite ready to ovulate. This happens to many, many people over the course of time and their body recovers in the future. We even see people who don't ovulate for years catch a random egg (often when they're none too happy about it!)

I really think the OPK cause you more stress than they alleviate. :heart:

[dreamofdaughter]

Do you have other fertility signs? CM or arousal?
I am definitely in the opks cause stress camp. I stopped using them cause I would get a surge super early and it confused me. I assumed I wasn’t ovulating or too early for a mature egg. I started to only have sex when I desired it and not because of a timeline. I almost forgot what that felt like!

[djmommy]

Do you have other fertility signs? CM or arousal?
I am definitely in the opks cause stress camp. I stopped using them cause I would get a surge super early and it confused me. I assumed I wasn’t ovulating or too early for a mature egg. I started to only have sex when I desired it and not because of a timeline. I almost forgot what that felt like!

This last time I "thought" I would actually ovulate. Had some cm, although not ewcm and some o twinges but I haven't because my temp hasn't risen significantly. And yeah no more opks! They are becoming way more stressful for me and I'm just tired of the confusion and not knowing.
Thanks for sharing that because that sounds like a better plan to just go with when I feel like it.
These long cycles are just dreadful

[djmommy]

And also I am having such a hard time understanding, how will I ovulate if my LH is constantly always high? I just don't understand. I know that hormone raises before your body releases the egg so how can it be even close to releasing an egg if it's just always high?

[atomic sagebrush]

Because what is happening on the strips is not telling you what is going on in your body. The strips are terribly imprecise and your body knows when the time is right to ovulate. So it will get a surge of LH and release the egg at that time.

[dreamofdaughter]

Wow you and I have such similar symptoms. My surge seemed to go on forever the last few months I used opks. I thought the same thing. If it’s always high then how can I ovulate? Maybe it’s an age thing, I don’t know. It was actually those immediate (like day 6!) surges that went on and on that made me think ok I can’t possibly be ovulating. And I wasn’t getting my usual CM. Even this last month, I didn’t get ewcm. At the most it was watery and barely there. So I assumed my estrogen was dropping.

[djmommy]

It's crazy because I have had a few cycles where I had a super early surge like you. Maybe it is an age thing. I also remember last cycle when I had a chemical I have no idea when I ovulated either because I don't recall having any or much cm at all.
But I'm so happy for you! Like I keep telling myself whatever I try to do, its totally out of my control because God is in control. But then I always feel the need to try and take control!! Lol

[djmommy]

Well I was hopeful for like a minute yesterday with a nice temp rise and crushed this morning when it went way back down. Ok I'll go cry now, then pick myself back up to keep trying :(.
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[atomic sagebrush]

Sometimes we see those big rises and drops for a couple days prior to O, it's almost like the body is trying to save up the estrogen to ovulate. FXFXFX!!

[djmommy]

Well I'm sure you can tell......IM SO OVER IT!
GAHHHHHHH!
I finally ran out of opks, I picked up a few dollar tree ones the other day and they were al pretty positive so I'm definitely not buying any more of these because it's useless! And so darn annoying..I have never had continual positives for so long.
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[atomic sagebrush]

Have you taken a pregnancy test?? I know it's a longshot (and your temps really don't indicate it) but that can sometimes cause long stretches of pos OPK.

[djmommy]

Have you taken a pregnancy test?? I know it's a longshot (and your temps really don't indicate it) but that can sometimes cause long stretches of pos OPK.

Oh how I wish this was the reason but I'm sure it isn't. Haven't taken one in a bit but I did and of course was negative.

[djmommy]

Do u think bbt thermometers are necessary or can it just be a regular digital?

[atomic sagebrush]

It needs to read into the hundredths place not just the tenths

[djmommy]

It needs to read into the hundredths place not just the tenths

I haven't been using a bbt so I'll get one. Wasn't sure if it mattered.

[djmommy]

I wish there was something that would help me ovulate. I feel so sad and defeated and broken. I'm trying hard to be patient. Each time I see a tiny temp rise I'm hopeful but it turns out to be nothing. Why can't my body cooperate. Is this just perimenopause? I'm just so not ready 42330

[atomic sagebrush]

Perimenopause takes years though. People go on for years and years with irregular cycles during which they have weird cycles and normal cycles and you still have to use protection or else risk getting pregnant. Long cycles are never fun, I completely understand that this has been a terrible roller coaster ride for you, but it really doesn't mean you can't get pregnant, even in this cycle. It is always a possibility to go in for bloodwork (although I still think they're only going to give you numbers that sound scary but really don't mean much) to see for sure, but I don't think it gains you anything.

[djmommy]

When and what would I go in for bloodwork? And I agree, please they write you off at age 35 here saying you are advanced maternal age!
I'd have to wait for a new cycle anyway though right?

[dreamofdaughter]

But you can get pregnant in perimenopause. I’m proof. Since my last miscarriage,
my cycles are all over the place. I had similar issues with LH testing. I ovulated early and had a couple super early cycles (for me).

I had bloodwork done but FSH varies month to month so you will freak yourself out for no reason. My AMH was terrible 2 years ago and I cried buckets. Now look - pregnant.

Please take the advice other people gave me. Relax. Shift your focus. Still do your dtd timeline and keep your sway if it’s important to you (wasn’t for me; I was done so with swaying. Also didn’t actually intend on or expect to conceive) BUT please, don’t stress yourself out!!! You’re not out of the game.

[djmommy]

Thanks so much dreamofdaughter! You definitely have given me hope that I will be able to conceive. The thought of not being able to is really devastating to me. And these losses are really hard because it's so not easy to get pregnant at all. I know I need to relax, it's so hard during these long cycles, I'm tired, frustrated and just want to ovulate and get nervous that I won't or that I'll miss it after all this time! Ugh.
I'm going to work on it though.
Thanks so much xo

[XXforhubby]

But you can get pregnant in perimenopause. I’m proof. Since my last miscarriage,
my cycles are all over the place. I had similar issues with LH testing. I ovulated early and had a couple super early cycles (for me).

I had bloodwork done but FSH varies month to month so you will freak yourself out for no reason. My AMH was terrible 2 years ago and I cried buckets. Now look - pregnant.

Please take the advice other people gave me. Relax. Shift your focus. Still do your dtd timeline and keep your sway if it’s important to you (wasn’t for me; I was done so with swaying. Also didn’t actually intend on or expect to conceive) BUT please, don’t stress yourself out!!! You’re not out of the game.

I agree with all of this 1000%!! I conceived ALL of my children in perimenopause, with my DD in late-perimenopause! I will officially be in menopause come this March. I have only warned her for 7mo [emoji15]!

It is completely possible to get pregnant!!! Keep on keeping on and it can happen!!! I am continuing to pray for you, and I will keep sending super sticky Golden Egg vibes your way!!!

(((Hugs)))


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[atomic sagebrush]

When and what would I go in for bloodwork? And I agree, please they write you off at age 35 here saying you are advanced maternal age!
I'd have to wait for a new cycle anyway though right?

If you wanted to know your AMH and stuff you'd have to wait, but I meant that you could go in now and see what is going on. They may want to give you provera to bring on a bleed. But they're going to tell you all sorts of scary things that aren't necessarily or even usually true. I could write dozens of case studies with people from this site who went in to the doctor and were told terrifying things (usually so the doc could bully them into doing IVF) and they ended up getting pregnant naturally in the end anyway (sometimes after a round or two of failed IVF that the doc said they MUST have!)

[djmommy]

Do you think its necessary for me to go in and get provera? I mean how long should I wait?

[djmommy]

Welll......I just had some spotting......so I think AF may be trying to make an appearance. Kind od relieved I guess so now hopefully this dreaded cycle will end. Now if it's AF does that mean I ovulated or is a breakthrough bleed the same and mimics a period?

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Why am I getting pos opk? They have been negative? What's wrong with me. I figured if AF they would be negative?
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[djmommy]

I agree with all of this 1000%!! I conceived ALL of my children in perimenopause, with my DD in late-perimenopause! I will officially be in menopause come this March. I have only warned her for 7mo [emoji15]!

It is completely possible to get pregnant!!! Keep on keeping on and it can happen!!! I am continuing to pray for you, and I will keep sending super sticky Golden Egg vibes your way!!!

(((Hugs)))


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Thank you as always XX :heart::heart::heart::heart::heart:

[atomic sagebrush]

It's really common to get positive OPK with your period/breakthrough bleeds.

Can I clarify something before I answer your other question?? A few posts back you asked about thermometers, were you using one that did not have into the hundredths of degrees? And if so how long?

[djmommy]

It's really common to get positive OPK with your period/breakthrough bleeds.

Can I clarify something before I answer your other question?? A few posts back you asked about thermometers, were you using one that did not have into the hundredths of degrees? And if so how long?

Yes I have been using a regular thermometer the whole time since I started temping again !Yikes. Just started using the bbt one this last week. Not good right?

[djmommy]

This is my chart for reference 42349

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I have been using a regular thermometer the whole time since I started temping again !Yikes. Just started using the bbt one this last week. Not good right?

We can't use this past chart to tell us anything. We need those hundredths of degrees to see the pattern. That is very likely why it was such a cryptic chart, we can't tell with those tenths what was really happening.

[djmommy]

Ok well from here on out I will be using the new thermometer. Maybe that's why I was having such a hard determining when O was.

[djmommy]

Just coming to vent.....I probably do that a lot but no one else really knows my TTC journey. I don't even tell people I want another baby, esp at my age with 4 kids they all think I'm crazy and I hate hearing negative thoughts. People also think that since I have 4 kids that miscarriages dont mean anything and I'm lucky. Yes, I am definitely so blessed with my children and so grateful to God. But that doesn't mean it's easy after a loss. My heart still breaks. I was a little hopeful this cycle because I actually think I ovulated at a normal time for me but my kids were sick so I think we only managed to bd one time this whole cycle. I am sad. I feel totally PMS and irritable and I know AF will be coming. I just am so aggravated that this has been such a hard journey. I can't do it anymore. It hurts that I won't have another baby. Things with DH have been a little strange and I just can't keep stressing about this. I don't really need anything just wanted to vent. I just feel such overwhelming sadness because I know it's over and it is so hard. 42399

[tillytys]

I dont know much about charts bt hope you are still in with a chance this month if not very soon xx

I havent been able to read your thread back but will have more time over the weekend to be able to offer a bit of more support:hugs:

[atomic sagebrush]

If that's when the BD took place in regards to ovulation I do think you are still in with a chance.

This is with the new thermometer?? It looks a lot more like what I would expect it should than the last few have!

[djmommy]

I dont know much about charts bt hope you are still in with a chance this month if not very soon xx

I havent been able to read your thread back but will have more time over the weekend to be able to offer a bit of more support:hugs:

Thanks ❤

[djmommy]

If that's when the BD took place in regards to ovulation I do think you are still in with a chance.

This is with the new thermometer?? It looks a lot more like what I would expect it should than the last few have!

Yes that was the one time. And I used the new thermometer too. I just have my normal PMS symptoms. I just feel so heavy with sadness

[atomic sagebrush]

You're not out yet, a lot of people notice no different symptoms the month they conceive. :heart:

[4blue2pink]

you are in with a chance with that attempt :heart: i totally understand not telling anyone, i dont tell anyone either, we lost our 2nd baby mid-way through the pregnancy but people just assume we must be over it because we've had 7 babies since her, they dont seem to uderstand that i could have 100 more babies but none of them will ever be her, none of them replace her there will always be an empty space between DS1 and DS2 where she should have been.. your number of living children has no bearing on the impact of loss.
I'll never forget a midwife saying to me during a postpartum visit after DS2 was born "you can forget about that other one now" meaning our baby girl who we had lost 10 months earlier.
I still have everything crossed for a healthy sticky bean for you DJ :heart: xx

[djmommy]

Awww 4 blue, you have such a sweet way with words.
Thanks so much for all of your support and encouraging xxoo