Chemical and messy ovulation

[ForeverRestless]

Hi ladies,
I really need an insight from who went through the same.
I had an early loss (5.5 weeks) last month and since then I regrouped and being consistently following diet, exercise, alcohol and coffee.

Long story short, I started having high fertility signs on Thursday evening so I attempted on Friday evening thinking that the peak was around the corner but nope :-( I wanted to go for 1 BD at +opk, but I am still getting flashing smiles on CB digital and negative (but almost positive ykwim) cheapies.

Temps don't help either as I got a slight decrease on Friday morning followed by a temp spike on saturday morning followed by some average high temp this morning. I attach the chart (sorry if it looks messy).

Anyone experienced something similar after a loss?

I am now at a dead point: should I add in another attempt? And if so when?
I dont wanna waste the month...:worry:
TIA

[Lilawt]

No advice from me I’m afraid but just wanted to stop by and wish you lots of pink luck my friend !

I’ll be following your journey

Lil


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[ForeverRestless]

Hi Lila!
Hope you are doing good hun! How's your baby doing? :)
thank you alot anyway, I am trying to catch the egg this cycle and I'll try maybe next month too if nothing happens. Then I'll probably take a break in winter till next year.
Maybe by that time we will be ttc buddies :wink::awe:
Hugs!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree that your chart looks anovulatory so far.

I would keep testing and at any point starting Monday, if you have another positive, have another attempt.

It is not at all unusual to have weird cycles a month or even two after a loss. Your body doesn't really "want" to get pregnant again unless it's "sure" that things are ok and so it may hold onto the egg a little while longer.

It's fine to attempt still - delayed ovulation is not harmful and you'll almost certainly still O, just a few days or a week later than your normal range.

[ForeverRestless]

I agree that your chart looks anovulatory so far.

I would keep testing and at any point starting Monday, if you have another positive, have another attempt.

It is not at all unusual to have weird cycles a month or even two after a loss. Your body doesn't really "want" to get pregnant again unless it's "sure" that things are ok and so it may hold onto the egg a little while longer.

It's fine to attempt still - delayed ovulation is not harmful and you'll almost certainly still O, just a few days or a week later than your normal range.


Thank you Atomic!
So far just flashing smiles since 3 days on the CB Digital and no solid smiley.
I will see how it goes tomorrow and as soon as I get a solid smile I will attempt.
I never go like this, but as you said that could very well be my body trying to adjust.

I am also thinking about going e4d starting from last friday (my last attempt) and attempt tomorrow anyway, then Thursday, Sunday etc...
I am wasting a fortune on opks this cycle so this would at least prevent me to keep on throwing money. What do you think?
Thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

I am absolutely fine with anyone going to e4d! Absolutely! Those Clearblue tests are horrendous!

[ForeverRestless]

I am absolutely fine with anyone going to e4d! Absolutely! Those Clearblue tests are horrendous!

Never got so mixed up by an opk! :rolleyes:.
I am still going getting flashing smiley since Friday. One step cheapie are negative.
I'll try and have an attempt tonite past midnight if OH manages (he works and finishes at 1.30 am night-time) or tomorrow very early in the morning...
Do you think it will be fine either way even if not properly e4d?

Oh, and FF gave me dashed crosshair and ovulation last Friday (day of 1st attempt) and put me at 3dpo, lol!
I'm having sustained temps but I don't feel i oed yet. I don't think its even possible an opk keeps giving flashing smiles after ovulation, if it occurred...
This is how it looks now.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes the e4d was never meant to be set in stone, however it works out is fine.

It is DEFINITELY possible to ovulate and have an OPK continue to give you flashy smileys. That is entirely possible. But given that you don 't think you have ovulated, and that your temp chart really does not show me an obvious pattern, combined with the lack of solid smiely, for now I think you haven't.

[ForeverRestless]

Yes the e4d was never meant to be set in stone, however it works out is fine.

It is DEFINITELY possible to ovulate and have an OPK continue to give you flashy smileys. That is entirely possible. But given that you don 't think you have ovulated, and that your temp chart really does not show me an obvious pattern, combined with the lack of solid smiely, for now I think you haven't.


Hi Atomic,
CD 27 here and still no luck I guess.🙄 any thought on my chart? I had a +opk both cheapie and CB (solid smile) last Thrusday CD23 and I attempted.
I expected a rise the day after and temps rose but the day after instead of remaining steady they went down low the folllwing days.
Soooo disappointing.
Is there still a chance I can o this cycle?
Surprisingly enough I got some Ewcm today. But OPK (cheapie and CB) are negative. I'll try later, eventually.
Thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes there is absolutely still a chance you will ovulate this month! A good chance! Just keep going with the e4d and you'll be in place to catch the egg when it arrives!

[atomic sagebrush]

BTW - rereading your old posts, can you please clarify what you did when you started back up again with diet and exercise? Were you very strict with those things? We may want to dial it back a little to coax the egg out!

[ForeverRestless]

BTW - rereading your old posts, can you please clarify what you did when you started back up again with diet and exercise? Were you very strict with those things? We may want to dial it back a little to coax the egg out!

I am trying to keep in the limits of LE, and what I can actually do is getting around 30 gr fats (on average), around 40gr proteins and rest of calories from carbs.
As fats I am using margarine, corn oil, some peanut butter, sesame seeds and as proteins scrambled egg whites, 1 whole egg x week, 0 fat greek yogurt and cottage cheese mainly.
I would have sushi as cheat and pizza also. Alcohol 4-5 days week (1 or 2 half glasses) and coffe daily (3x day).
No supps just folic acid and fibers before big meals.

Exercise wise: 1h.20 min fast walk if the weather is fine or 60 min cyclette daily.

I feel the egg is there and I sort of can't release it?
Thanks for digging in my sway ❣🙏

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. We need to up that fat right away. That is the barest minimum of fat intake and I suspect you're not getting enough. I want you on 50-60 g from here on in (probably more like 60 until ovulation occurs) and 1 serving of full fat dairy a day plus 4-6 WHOLE eggs a week.

I would also like to see you boost protein to more around 50 g. This is not so much to restore ovulation but more to allow you some wiggle room to get enough fat (since some fat foods have protein, it might make it easier to get up to the 50-60 g fat if you eat more protein as well)

Drop the fiber.

Question - when you said you had increased protein, does that mean you were eating less than 40 g before???

I agree the egg is there, we just need to give your body enough raw materials for it to be released.

[ForeverRestless]

Hi Atomic,
Re your Q, I can't recall when I wrote that atm! Sorry! Perhaps when I I started tracking through app I adjusted better all the nutrients intake to match with LE Diet. Before it was hard to keep track and i ended up eating less than what allowed!

Ok, I'll up fats & proteins and see if I can kick the egg out :rofl:
Will I need another Lh surge now in your opinion? Not sure if i can maintain the e4d pattern, due to our working schedules (I work during the day, OH during the night, you can imagine...!)
So i will possibly attempt at next +opk?

If not, I will try and keep up the e4d!

[atomic sagebrush]

yes, you will have another LH surge. I really urge you to continue having regular unprotected sex even if it can't be e4d.

Actually I CAN imagine as for a while my husband worked nights and I worked days. Just do your best, even if it gets to be once a week it's better than waiting around for an OPK that may be a false negative.

[ForeverRestless]

yes, you will have another LH surge. I really urge you to continue having regular unprotected sex even if it can't be e4d.

Actually I CAN imagine as for a while my husband worked nights and I worked days. Just do your best, even if it gets to be once a week it's better than waiting around for an OPK that may be a false negative.

100% agree, it's been way too stressing to wait for o to happen.
I bd yesterday nite and will try on the weekend too if o isn't yet confirmed.
Thank you heaps!!

[ForeverRestless]

100% agree, it's been way too stressing to wait for o to happen.
I bd yesterday nite and will try on the weekend too if o isn't yet confirmed.
Thank you heaps!!


Hey Atomic!! Followed your advise and looks like I oed! Hooray!!🎉🎉
But i still need your wise eye.
From the chart it looks like I oed on Saturday, but I am still getting the darkest opks and ewcm.
Is this a sign i could be ovulating twice? Or releasing more eggs?
I will attach the opk from these days too.
This is my chart

Would you BD again on Tuesday?
Thanks a lot for your guidance.
Xx

Ps. The ewcm was unstoppable and i tried to limit it with some rephresh and I was taking antihystaminic too - cetirizine - (not for swaying but for allergy reason) but its ph was around 4... I am scared at all this ewcm really! 😥😥😥

[ForeverRestless]

These are my opks from these days.

First one Saturday morning with solid smile on CB digital too (fmu)
Middle two from yesterday (FMU and aroun 8pm)
Last one from today morning (fmu)

The second opk looked the darkest one and it was taken yesterday with first morning urine.
And yesterday I got the baddest o pains that lasted half the day.
Thank you!

[ForeverRestless]

Hi Atomic, much with excitement I tell you I took a test and it looks like I am pg again 😁
Thank you for your support and patience. ❤

I still have a BIG doubt on my O day, can I explain you why?
I got a positive opk on Saturday the 28th of September morning, followed by other 3 days of +opks (even darker) and ewcm and strong o pains.
It only stopped on Tuesday the 1st October. But I had a temp spike on Sunday morning 29th so I guess I oed on Saturday? … I can only guess because it was all sooo confusing and I am not 100% certain of my real o day despite the temp spike of Sunday morning.
My temps were quite all over the place this cycle tbh.
Atomic is that possible I oed later (Monday or Tuesday) and not on Saturday, despite a temp rise on Sunday?
In previous posts you see the opks and my chart is attached here!
X

[atomic sagebrush]

Huge congrats!! Nice temp rise too!! FXFXFX!!!

I'm sorry though, I can't tell you what day you ovulated based on that chart. I just don't have the ability to know. It is absolutely possible you ovulated later and that high temp was a fluke. We look at patterns because one temp or even two in isolation could be wrong, it's only by looking at the entire pattern that we see what's happened. It takes 3 high temps to confirm ovulation has happened and we really can't know to the day (I know the other site claims you can, but they're wrong and this has been shown in studies - even highly trained people using the best thermometers cannot pin down the day of ovulation any better than one in three days).

Good luck!

[ForeverRestless]

Yes I totally get that.
I think I am just trying to clutch at straws here because I feel not confident about all that ewcm I had, plus the attempt on O day.:nails:
But it is what it is and totally out of my hands.
I will post my sway asap.
X

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for posting!! And you know I am obligated by law to say this, but of course timing doesn't sway so please don't worry even if you did attempt O day. I got my girl practially on O Day (very late at night on O-1, I think it was technically 1 am on O Day) and 3 of my 4 boys with cutoffs (the other was a sneak attack and could also very likely have been a cutoff)