Can you get flashy smile two days in a row?

[Katie.Z]

Hi everyone. Testing my 0 getting flashy smiley second day in a row, is that possible? I thought day after flashy smile it was solid smile which is peak fertility? Is my test wrong?

[atomic sagebrush]

The flashy is two days followed by two days of peak (usually). that's normally what most people get. 2 days flashy, 2 days solid.

There are some exceptions, though, where the flashy goes on for many days, or is one day, or even NO days and you just go straight to peak.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Or I get a flashy smile followed by a solid smile in 3-4 hours! There are all sorts of combinations!


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[atomic sagebrush]

YES! There really are endless variations on how the OPK come in. They're a very imprecise tool but unfortunately they're the best we have.

[Katie.Z]

Thank you ladies so much for the reply. Today is day three of flashy smilie testing first thing in the morning. I will retest in the afternoon to make sure it doesn’t go solid and if it dies will start the attempts tonight. I certainly didn’t know what to expect here with the ovulation tests, I really should have played around more with them in the last months leading up to the sway so I know what to expect. Last month was the only month I tested with the ovulation kit, and i had no high fertility at all just went straight to peak. Also, To be honest I assumed that it’s similar to what’s shown on my fertility app, which shows one high fertility day and one peak day. Now I see how inaccurate that is. I’d love to give my sway a good shot right now so just waiting for that solid smiley maybe later this afternoon, maybe tomorrow morning.

[Katie.Z]

Thirdtimelucky, yes I really see that now. I see how it can be a challenge, and how easily a good fertile window can be missed. I’m trying to be on top of it. I also ran out of my tests so had to get a new box, but still using my result-tool from the old box as it learns what each individuals normal is. Also something I had no idea about, assumed all tests just look for a X level of hormone. Learning as i go here, hope I don’t mess anything up.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thirdtimelucky, yes I really see that now. I see how it can be a challenge, and how easily a good fertile window can be missed. I’m trying to be on top of it. I also ran out of my tests so had to get a new box, but still using my result-tool from the old box as it learns what each individuals normal is. Also something I had no idea about, assumed all tests just look for a X level of hormone. Learning as i go here, hope I don’t mess anything up.

Many of us get our boys never using the things, just having sex when we are in the mood to! It's ok I promise you can get boys even without getting a great result with the tests.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you ladies so much for the reply. Today is day three of flashy smilie testing first thing in the morning. I will retest in the afternoon to make sure it doesn’t go solid and if it dies will start the attempts tonight. I certainly didn’t know what to expect here with the ovulation tests, I really should have played around more with them in the last months leading up to the sway so I know what to expect. Last month was the only month I tested with the ovulation kit, and i had no high fertility at all just went straight to peak. Also, To be honest I assumed that it’s similar to what’s shown on my fertility app, which shows one high fertility day and one peak day. Now I see how inaccurate that is. I’d love to give my sway a good shot right now so just waiting for that solid smiley maybe later this afternoon, maybe tomorrow morning.

Ok I think I may know how to fix our problem. You need to be testing after lunch (even in the ones that say to test in the morning like the Clearblues, I feel it's best if you guys also do another test after lunch). The hormone that the OPK measure peaks in your urine after lunch. If these flashies were exclusively in the morning, I wonder if we might have gotten at least one peak with them after lunch.

The fertility apps are terrible. I really don't think they're good for anyone and indeed know of several people who got accidentally pregnant when using them to prevent pregnancy, that's how unreliable they are. The OPK don't correlate to them in any way.

Hoping you get that solid this afternoon!! FXFXFX!

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Thirdtimelucky, yes I really see that now. I see how it can be a challenge, and how easily a good fertile window can be missed. I’m trying to be on top of it. I also ran out of my tests so had to get a new box, but still using my result-tool from the old box as it learns what each individuals normal is. Also something I had no idea about, assumed all tests just look for a X level of hormone. Learning as i go here, hope I don’t mess anything up.

How interesting, I didn’t know that! I try to test first thing in the morning and then around 1pm with my clearblue and most months I can catch that peak solid smiley (but I’m swaying pink so trying to learn when I go from high to peak fertility to try with a cutoff). Also wanted to tell you that I got my two boys with one attempt, DS1 when I had flashy smiley and DS2 on a solid smiley day, just FYI. Sending you all my blue dust!!!


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[Katie.Z]

Hi Atomic. Took another test after lunch, flashy smile once more. Didn’t drink a ton of liquids before as previously advised. So had flashy in the morning, flashy after lunch. Thanks so much for sticking with me during this time. Crossed my fingers for tomorrow. We BD yesterday with protection and will break today. Really hoping tomorrow morning will be solid.

In the meantime I’m on my 6th day on guaifenesin, DH taking break form fish oil, and here we are.

[Katie.Z]

Hi Atomic. Took another test after lunch, flashy smile once more. Didn’t drink a ton of liquids before as previously advised. So had flashy in the morning, flashy after lunch. Thanks so much for sticking with me during this time. Crossed my fingers for tomorrow. We BD yesterday with protection and will break today. Really hoping tomorrow morning will be solid.

In the meantime I’m on my 6th day on guaifenesin, DH taking break form fish oil, and here we are.

[Katie.Z]

I’m having trouble loading the site in last few days. I’m so sorry for the double post.

[Katie.Z]

Hello. Morning day 4- Just re-tested. Flashy smilie again. Trying to stay patient. Starting to think maybe not this cycle. Will retest again after lunch.

[atomic sagebrush]

I’m having trouble loading the site in last few days. I’m so sorry for the double post.

You're not alone, I'll send a message to see what the deali-o is.

Don't worry about double posts, they happen sometimes and there's no need to delete them, I rarely bother! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hello. Morning day 4- Just re-tested. Flashy smilie again. Trying to stay patient. Starting to think maybe not this cycle. Will retest again after lunch.

Just because you get several flashies does not mean you won't ovulate. The flashy smiley is simply detecting hormone in your urine - your body uses that hormone to do other things as well (even your husband can get lines to come up on the cheapy OPK since the hormone is ever present). We're just waiting for it to reach a certain concentration. Upon that concentration being reached, you will ovulate. This doesn't mean anything dire or bad for your sway, other than that it's rather irritating.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic. Took another test after lunch, flashy smile once more. Didn’t drink a ton of liquids before as previously advised. So had flashy in the morning, flashy after lunch. Thanks so much for sticking with me during this time. Crossed my fingers for tomorrow. We BD yesterday with protection and will break today. Really hoping tomorrow morning will be solid.

In the meantime I’m on my 6th day on guaifenesin, DH taking break form fish oil, and here we are.

Oh gosh I swear I answered this - the guaifenesin is fine to take indefinitely.

Did DH just drop the fish oil?? If so he needs to start taking it again and wean off by spacing doses further and further out. It's not good for health to be taking a blood thinner and then drop it suddenly, it can make your blood go from being quite thin to clotting easily, this can cause all sorts of issues. Please have him take a fish oil today, then keep spacing out the doses til he's down to one per week, then drop them.

[Katie.Z]

Had hubby take his fish oil yesterday, thanks for that tip Atomic. Will skip fish oil again today. Woke up today day 5, still flashing smiley. I have a very very regular cycle each month, most months I can pinpoint my menstrual cycle to the day. Last month I got my peak smiley very close to where it was supposed to be on my fertility calendar (although I do understand those aren’t that accurate). I never miss my period it’s never happened to me ever so skipping ovulation would be the strangest thing. I am currently testing 2-3 times a day. Morning, after lunch and sometimes evening so it can’t be that I missed it. I don’t know it’s certainly raising the stress level for me. Running out to buy some more tests today, really hoping maybe I’ll see that peak after lunch.

Was thinking yesterday, is it possible to ovulate within the first 12 hours of tryout LH surge? I know they say typically within 24-48 hours. But if it happens faster is it possible to accidentally have one attempt, since the first attempt would be night of positive opk? Goal is for 3 I understand but just curious if possible to ovulate quickly and accidentally miss those other two attempts?

[atomic sagebrush]

It actually CAN be that you missed it. Sometimes the hormone just doesn't reach the peak amount in your urine even though it has in your blood.

By far and away most likely, you won't skip ovulation, it will just be delayed. Your period in that case would also be delayed.

It's possible but 99 times out of 100 when people O very quick after a positive OPK it's because they were testing sporadically rather than daily.

I'd probably skip the morning test to save money and tests. Most likely will be afternoon or early evening positives.

[Katie.Z]

I got it. Thank you for the quick reply. I also feel like my EWCM is not the norm, assuming my because I’m taking the mucinex tablets. But there is not whitish thick stuff, it’s just wet. I hope that’s ok, and I’m sorry tmi. Taking once a day guaifenesin only 600 extended release tablets. I haven’t been drinking a lot because i didn’t want to dilute my ovulation test, but reading through the threads yesterday I saw you must drink a lot with guaifenesin. Ah well drinking it up today.

[Katie.Z]

I skipped my mucinex pill (actually accidentally) this morning and my white sticky EWCM is back. Is this just an odd coincidence? Not sure if I should take it now (afternoon) or skip altogether. What do we want the EWCM to look like? I was under the impression that for blue we want the white egg white type stuff? No?

Omg and just got a peak result on my test!

Should I still take the mucinex now?

Update: probably going to take mucinex and not rock the boat. I trust your guidance.

[atomic sagebrush]

Watery CM is fertile. White sticky CM is infertile. Egg white CM is a totally different thing than what you're describing.

I think you're doing fine, just don't sweat guzzling liquid, either. Drink to your level of thirst.

Yes fine to take the guaifenesin.

[Katie.Z]

Thank you so much for the quick reply! Took guafenesin, Got it not guzzling but keeping really hydrated. Thanks a ton

[Katie.Z]

Thirdtimelucky, Hi, I’m sorry I just saw your reply. Website is loading better today for me, I’ve had some trouble in last week loading the pages.

Two boys with one attempt, wow! I had one attempt with my first daughter but wasn’t taking ovulation test that time, so I’m not sure about the timing. Our second daughter was a surprise, we were using pull out method and im almost positive I went for a shower right after so essentially jumped and dumped after that time, also one attempt for sure. Between the pullout, the timing and the JandD, Dd2 is a little miracle she really wanted to be here apparently.

How about your diet, we’re you blue friendly while conceiving your boys? For me, DH and I had some very very pink friendly habits plus the one attempt, I’m not surprised we have two girls.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Thirdtimelucky, Hi, I’m sorry I just saw your reply. Website is loading better today for me, I’ve had some trouble in last week loading the pages.

Two boys with one attempt, wow! I had one attempt with my first daughter but wasn’t even taking ovulation test that time it was our first try and we got it. Our second daughter was a surprise, we were using pull out method and im almost positive I went for a shower tight after so essentially jumped and dumped after that time, also one attempt for sure. Between the pullout, the timing and the JandD, Dd2 is a little miracle she really wanted to be here apparently.

How about your diet, we’re you blue friendly while conceiving your boys? For me, DH and I had some very very pink friendly habits plus the one attempt, I’m not surprised we have two girls.


Hi, yes I had a super boy friendly diet! I had juices every day, my protein intake was 40-50% of my food consumption, I never ate any carbs, basically just meat and salads, plus lots of snacking on nuts and fruit. I was always super skinny on this diet (BMI 19ish) and felt really good! I also did intermittent fasting and never had coffee (hated it), but lots of tea. Not big on sweets either, no junk food. What was your diet like with your girls?


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[Katie.Z]

Thirdtimelucky we certainly had typical girl habits. Husband was a smoker and we were young went out a lot, drank more often, definitely lots of coffee . Although my diet has always been pretty good, have never skipped breakfast and always conscious of what i put in my body. After my second daughter we really changed, I started lifting pretty seriously and my diet is very similar to what you describe above, I have a ton of protein and I do eat lots of carbs but good carbs, no empty calories basically.

With my girls I think the smoking, one attempt, And in general lifestyle swayed us pink. Not as much diet for me personally but I did eat more sugary things back then, and just wasn’t as strict or knowledgeable about foods as I am now. I’m praying the changes I’ve made pull me through.

All my pink dust to you. I love seeing families with boys get a little girl, it’s just such a sweet combination.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Thirdtimelucky we certainly had typical girl habits. Husband was a smoker and we were young went out a lot, drank more often, definitely lots of coffee . Although my diet has always been pretty good, have never skipped breakfast and always conscious of what i put in my body. After my second daughter we really changed, I started lifting pretty seriously and my diet is very similar to what you describe above, I have a ton of protein and I do eat lots of carbs but good carbs, no empty calories basically.

With my girls I think the smoking, one attempt, And in general lifestyle swayed us pink. Not as much diet for me personally but I did eat more sugary things back then, and just wasn’t as strict or knowledgeable about foods as I am now. I’m praying the changes I’ve made pull me through.

All my pink dust to you. I love seeing families with boys get a little girl, it’s just such a sweet combination.

Thanks for the info Katie Z. Sending you all my blue dust in return! :) I’m about to start TTC this month with our one attempt this weekend - fingers crossed!


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[Katie.Z]

Will be thinking about you!

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Ok I think I may know how to fix our problem. You need to be testing after lunch (even in the ones that say to test in the morning like the Clearblues, I feel it's best if you guys also do another test after lunch). The hormone that the OPK measure peaks in your urine after lunch. If these flashies were exclusively in the morning, I wonder if we might have gotten at least one peak with them after lunch.

The fertility apps are terrible. I really don't think they're good for anyone and indeed know of several people who got accidentally pregnant when using them to prevent pregnancy, that's how unreliable they are. The OPK don't correlate to them in any way.

Hoping you get that solid this afternoon!! FXFXFX!

I’m on day 7 of flashy smiles in the morning AND in the afternoon. Do you think I missed the peak some time during those days? Argh so frustrating! KatieZ, when did you end up having thAt solid smiley after all? I had an attempt on CD16, which was day 4 of flashy smiley faces and not sure if I should have another attempt tomorrow (e4d) or I missed it already. Also was hoping for a bit of cutoff to start with since its my first month trying.


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[Katie.Z]

Hi. I can’t tell you how unusual that was for me. I get my menstrual cycle almost to the day on time month in and month out, which I’m assuming also means I ovulate on time.
The first month I attempt I was really delayed. I had 5 days of flashy, on the fifth day it was still flashy in the morning, but when I retook the test in the afternoon it was solid / peak. So peak on 5th day, second test in afternoon.

[atomic sagebrush]

I’m on day 7 of flashy smiles in the morning AND in the afternoon. Do you think I missed the peak some time during those days? Argh so frustrating! KatieZ, when did you end up having thAt solid smiley after all? I had an attempt on CD16, which was day 4 of flashy smiley faces and not sure if I should have another attempt tomorrow (e4d) or I missed it already. Also was hoping for a bit of cutoff to start with since its my first month trying.


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I would have you go to e4d but only you can answer that question. The other option, is, of course, to keep testing and if the test goes positive today or later on, have another attempt. You are out of the window where it would count or two attempts.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi. I can’t tell you how unusual that was for me. I get my menstrual cycle almost to the day on time month in and month out, which I’m assuming also means I ovulate on time.
The first month I attempt I was really delayed. I had 5 days of flashy, on the fifth day it was still flashy in the morning, but when I retook the test in the afternoon it was solid / peak. So peak on 5th day, second test in afternoon.

That is not uncommon. The body is pretty good at detecting stress and that month we plan to attempt we often have these low levels (or ok, maybe not so low, LOL) of anxiety that we aren't even fully aware of but our body notices and thinks "something is wrong here, maybe now is not the time for an egg to show up" and stops everything in its tracks for a few days or weeks even sometimes till something sends it enough of a signal to let the egg go. :)

[Katie.Z]

Absolutely, I was certainly not lacking in the stress department. It must be so!

[Thirdtimelucky01]

I would have you go to e4d but only you can answer that question. The other option, is, of course, to keep testing and if the test goes positive today or later on, have another attempt. You are out of the window where it would count or two attempts.

I had my solid smile on the morning of day 8! Today would be the day to DTD if I wanted e4d pattern but I’m a bit scared as I had two boys conceived with one attempt close to ovulation. I want to try and time it to have my one attempt at 0-2 which proves to be more tricky than I thought! (Last month I had my peak reading on CD15 while this month its CD20!). So I guess I’ll stick with My cd16 attempt this time around and try for a cutoff next month and if that doesn’t work I’ll move onto e4d. Thanks for your advice Atomic!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I had my solid smile on the morning of day 8! Today would be the day to DTD if I wanted e4d pattern but I’m a bit scared as I had two boys conceived with one attempt close to ovulation. I want to try and time it to have my one attempt at 0-2 which proves to be more tricky than I thought! (Last month I had my peak reading on CD15 while this month its CD20!). So I guess I’ll stick with My cd16 attempt this time around and try for a cutoff next month and if that doesn’t work I’ll move onto e4d. Thanks for your advice Atomic!


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AUGH PLEASE HAVE ATTEMPT ASAP. Sorry I didn't see this sooner.

I am not entirely following your timeline here but do not ever use a positive OPK on CD 8 as your positive OPK to time an attempt (unless you have super short cycles normally). That was a false positive, sperm deposited that early would have immediately died, and if you do not have another attempt you will have zero chance of conception.

Now, if you had an attempt CD 16, where are you now in terms of cycle days???

You can see why a) cutoffs are so hard to get right and b) the people who say they had cutoffs are dirty rotten liars LOL. This is what happens to EVERYONE trying for a cutoff. Cycles are not that regular (even regular cycles!) and there is no way to know if the people who tell you they had a cutoff, even had one! And when scientists went back through using Shettles (and the others who did timing studies) own data, using modern knowhow to actually pin down when the people in the studies ovulated, they found that timing did not work at all. 50-50 boys and girls conceived every cycle day, using the same data sets that Shettles used to "prove" timing. All the participants just misjudged their O day and no one actually took the time to go over their temps and figure out when they actually Oed!

[Thirdtimelucky01]

AUGH PLEASE HAVE ATTEMPT ASAP. Sorry I didn't see this sooner.

I am not entirely following your timeline here but do not ever use a positive OPK on CD 8 as your positive OPK to time an attempt (unless you have super short cycles normally). That was a false positive, sperm deposited that early would have immediately died, and if you do not have another attempt you will have zero chance of conception.

Now, if you had an attempt CD 16, where are you now in terms of cycle days???

You can see why a) cutoffs are so hard to get right and b) the people who say they had cutoffs are dirty rotten liars LOL. This is what happens to EVERYONE trying for a cutoff. Cycles are not that regular (even regular cycles!) and there is no way to know if the people who tell you they had a cutoff, even had one! And when scientists went back through using Shettles (and the others who did timing studies) own data, using modern knowhow to actually pin down when the people in the studies ovulated, they found that timing did not work at all. 50-50 boys and girls conceived every cycle day, using the same data sets that Shettles used to "prove" timing. All the participants just misjudged their O day and no one actually took the time to go over their temps and figure out when they actually Oed!

Sorry I did not explain clear enough! My first positive OPK was after having flashy smiles for 7 days in a row, and this was CD20 (so flashy smiles from CD13). And I had an attempt on CD13 and CD16. The flashy smiles got me super confused this cycle! Last month I had peak readings on CD14 and CD15 with EWCM on CD15 so I assume I ovulated on CD15? However this time around I had EWCM on CD18, CD19 and watery but much less on CD20 (sorry TMI) but no peak readings until CD20 and CD21. When do you think I ovulated? The more I watch my cycle the more I agree with you that it’s easier to just have one attempt at positive OPK and not aim at a cutoff but I’m so scared as I had two boys this way! This is 100% my last child (the whole family thinks I’m crazy for even considering one more) and I’d rather take longer to get pregnant and get a girl.

Let me tell you what else is happening- I think I’m ready!

3 months on LE diet, last month I really got the hang of it - and my last period started in the afternoon for the first time ever!
Coffee every day, alcohol every so often
No snacking, juices, red meat
Try to skip breakfast, fast 12-15 hours overnight
Fiber
Folate
Cardio 5-6 days a week 45-50 minutes
Olive leaf extract for DH
Release for DH every 2-4 days

Lost about 1-1.5 kilos in 3 months, BMI 19. Feel really good.

My last cycle was 26 days (vs usually 29-31) so I assume it’s because daily cardio and change in diet. But given my late ovulation this time I’d expect my cycle to be at least 31 days (if I ovulated in CD 20 or 21). What do you think I should do next month given that ovulation day changed so much? E4d? Sorry for such a long post!



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[atomic sagebrush]

first thing just to clarify: You can't tell when you ovulated last month. CD 14, 15, maybe even 16. Do not assume you ovulated CD 15 based on your OPK or your CM. If your period came 14 days after CD 15, for example, that is a decent indicator that was O day. But the timing of the OPK and CM just can't pin down O to the day.

And for this month, you also can't tell when you ovulated! Your CM just doesn't tell you anything, many of us have EWCM for months in advance. The odds are CD 21 based on when you got the first positive but it could have been CD 20 or CD 22. I'm sorry to say I think your chance of conception is pretty low this month, but that doesn't mean 100% for sure you won't get pregnant, just that the timing of the BD is not what I consider ideal chance of conceiving. If you ovulated sooner you'll have a better shot.

Let me lay out the trouble with saying things like "I'd rather it take longer and get a girl than get pregnant fast and get a boy." The problem is, it can take longer and you can get a boy! And over the course of time (and I know you don't believe me when I say this, but it's totally true) as you see those BFN start to pile up, people start to panic and assume their fertility has been destroyed and start doing all this stuff to conceive (most of which sways blue). Not to mention that the diet over time can mess with your ovulation delaying or even stopping it, and you would basically have to start eating blue-friendly to get it going again. You are already well below my cutoff of 21 and I strongly, strongly urge you to course correct on diet immediately becasue you're losing too much weight.

My point of all this is to say please don't waste time chasing sway tactics that do not work and have been completely debunked like timing. I know you don't see the downside right now but I PROMISE you the downsides are very real and I believe one of the main reasons people get opposites, is by cutting back too far on diet, losing too much weight, doing too many strict sway tactics that reduce odds of concepiton to nil, and then having to do a complete 180 just to start ovulating again. It is better by far to be in with at least some chance of pregnancy every month that passes because there are people who sway for 2 years, who remain strict and compromise on nothing, who STILL GET BOYS. I think we get this mindset where the longer it takes we get some sort of guarantee, and that's not only not true, but the opposite is true for a good many people.

I would do either e4d or one attempt at pos OPK and then go to e4d afterwards (this is a compromise I use for people who aren't ready to go all in on e4d just yet) You could also do the e4d in the every 96 hour pattern, that may be more pink friendly although not as good a chance of conception.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

Hi Atomic and everyone, HELP!!! I need your opinion. I got positive OPK (smiley face on the Clearblue that has either empty circle or a smiley face) at 1pm on CD17 so I had an attempt that night. I decided to test further to see how long my LH surge would last, it’s CD20 today And I got another peak reading this morning which turned low fertility (empty circle) by 1pm of CD20. Should I have another attempt tomorrow (That would be e4d) or stick with the one attempt I had?


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[atomic sagebrush]

The rate at which your test goes negative is really not at all helpful in determining when you ovulated. You can have positive tests after ovulation and negative tests and still be yet to ovulate.
I always like to see you guys do an e4d attempt when there's ever any doubt (so yes, I'd recommend another attempt) but I think it's entirely likely that you Oed already and just got pos tests after the fact. But when in doubt, e4d. :)

[Thirdtimelucky01]

The rate at which your test goes negative is really not at all helpful in determining when you ovulated. You can have positive tests after ovulation and negative tests and still be yet to ovulate.
I always like to see you guys do an e4d attempt when there's ever any doubt (so yes, I'd recommend another attempt) but I think it's entirely likely that you Oed already and just got pos tests after the fact. But when in doubt, e4d. :)

From what I read, the ovulation happens in the 24-36 hours after LH peaks, is that right?


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[atomic sagebrush]

No. The average time to ovulation is about 36 hours but average means it can happen sooner or later.

Plus, you need to understand that you can't tell when you really peak based on the OPK. They're deceptive.

So while theoretically 36 hours is a good likely time to ovulate, it may not happen that way, so that's why we do the e4d.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

No. The average time to ovulation is about 36 hours but average means it can happen sooner or later.

Plus, you need to understand that you can't tell when you really peak based on the OPK. They're deceptive.

So while theoretically 36 hours is a good likely time to ovulate, it may not happen that way, so that's why we do the e4d.

Do you mean average time to ovulation is 36 hours from when we first detect LH surge or 36 hours after the potential peak?


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[atomic sagebrush]

36 hours after first positive test average.

My entire point is that you need to let the specifics go, though, because OPK are terribly imprecise and even if they weren't, your body operates on its own timeline that may not even mesh with the OPK.