getting impatient.....would you do this?

[threelittlebears]

Hey ladies, well another month has come and gone and AF arrived today 2 days early...grrrrr! Anyway, our first 2 DS's were conceived in the first 1-2 cycles of trying and DS3 was taking a little longer so I visited a naturopath who was quite renowned for her fertilty expertise. She made me a tonic and sent me on my way and I fell pregnant the first cycle of taking it. Anyway, when I had my first scan I found out I was carrying twins (we lost one at 11 weeks) and I was asked if I had follicle stimulation due to so many follicles still left on my left ovary. I was actually told they have never seen so many naturally and that they only see so many after external stimulation. I put this down to the tonic.

Fast forward to ttc a girl and the 5th month has passed and I can feel the bottle of tonic calling me from the cupboard...lol! It is still in date, however I do not know what is in it and the naturopath is now overseas so I am unable to find out. I am tempted to start taking it this month, however due to the fact there was so many follicles after taking it for just 3 weeks last time, I am concerned that even though my chances of conceiving maybe higher, there will be more follicles "hanging around" for all those boys to catch! Does that make sense? Would you take it? DH and I are 40 so I guess I am thinking about our fertility window.

Maybe I'm just having one of those "AF arrived, what a bummer" days.....lol!

Thanks in advance, Justine.

[Princess of Pink]

I would but I am the worlds most impatient person!! I probably would of taken it the 2nd month TTC lol

[rainbowflower]

What's in the tonic?

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[threelittlebears]

I'm not sure what is in it as I never asked. The naturopath worked from a very holistic vitamin store which also offered a range of services from qualified naturopaths. This particular lady was well known in Australia, attended many conferences internationally with fertility experts in the field of medicine and had studied at university. The vitamin store happened to be next door to my house so I just called in one day as I knew the staff really well.

My other concern is there may be "blue sway" things in the tonic which would undo all the hard work I have put in..lol! I'm really in two minds about it at the moment.....but very tempted!

Atomic, do you think if there are extra follicles being produced that this gives the boy sperm that extra advantage somehow with all those eggs "laying in wait" so to speak?

[rainbowflower]

if it increases fertility it's more than likely a blue sway tonic... but then, if you need that to conceive at all, you might have no choice.

however, if you take it one month and it doesn't work, would you then take it again the next month? perhaps the longer you're on it, the more blue it would be swaying too

[threelittlebears]

rainbowflower, you have confirmed my suspicions! I guess it makes sense that if it is a tonic to increase fertility, then that would naturally sway blue. Sometimes you just need another voice of reason, like yourself! I just found it interesting that a herbal tonic could do this.

Thanks again for your replies!

[rainbowflower]

herbs can certainly alter your cycles, think of vitex!

but as I said before, you do need to be able to conceive in order to get a chance at your DG... so I wouldn't rule this tonic out straight away, just seriously consider it

[Princess of Pink]

I think if you use the tonic combined with environment altering options. I believe you need to be acidic...not to be gross or TMI but I have a very acidic environment...can strip the colour from underwear....if you get my drift.

[threelittlebears]

That's true rainbowflower, I had forgotten about vitex. I guess I can evaluate as the cycle advances closer to ovulation.

Princess of Pink....lol...there is no such thing at TMI on this site...we are all in the same boat! I too can relate to the underwear analogy as I seem to be acidic also, yet here I am with 3 boys (who I adore to pieces)!! What is your secret? Have you posted anywhere how you think you have 5 gorgeous girls? Any tips you can share would be great!!

Thanks again for your input ladies!

[BABYPINK3]

I would not take it. anything that could alter your PH I would stay clear of.
I can totally relate to yuor post because when TTC baby 2 I could not fall pregnant and after months of trying I went and sway a CHinese Acuupunturist who gave me Accupunture and Chinese Medicine. well I fell pregnant that month and suprise suprise with a boy- because the chinese medicine did everything to increase EWCM, and PH to 7. at the time I knew nothing about diet, ph and swaying.

Then When I swayed baby 3 ( a girl) and hadnt fallen pregnant straight away and the diet was killing me I was tempted to take the same chinese medicine again.
BUt thankfully I didnt. I just did the accupunture and fell pregnant straight away. - with a girl.

[threelittlebears]

Thankyou BABYPINK3, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply about your experience with a herbal tonic. I have thought about this alot tonite and have decided against taking it, especially after reading your post! DS3 who is 16mnths only finished BF in December so I guess my body is still getting back on track. It's always hard when AF shows up because you start analysing everything in preparation for your next attempt! Positive encouragement from other ladies here always helps though!

Thanks again everyone.

[twinkle]

I was just wondering if you took the ph of the tonic would that be of any help? i know it wouldnt give you a answer to the whats in it but might help you decide if it would change your ph

Whatever you decide i wish you loads of luck

[rainbowflower]

I was just wondering if you took the ph of the tonic would that be of any help? i know it wouldnt give you a answer to the whats in it but might help you decide if it would change your ph

Whatever you decide i wish you loads of luck

not necessarily... an acidic food/drink isn't always alkalinizing in the body

[zanacal]

Is there anything else you could drop from your sway to up your chances of conception? What else are you doing?

[atomic sagebrush]

ingredients?

The number of follicles has nothing to do with "fertility" as we intend it. EWCM, pH, sperm numbers are what we are talking about with fertility.

PS - just because she said that, doesn't necessarily mean anything. Take with a grain of salt. We all have 15-20 follicles in both ovaries that race to be released each month and it might appear that you have an extraordinary amount of follicles when in reality, it's just normal.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not sure what is in it as I never asked. The naturopath worked from a very holistic vitamin store which also offered a range of services from qualified naturopaths. This particular lady was well known in Australia, attended many conferences internationally with fertility experts in the field of medicine and had studied at university. The vitamin store happened to be next door to my house so I just called in one day as I knew the staff really well.

My other concern is there may be "blue sway" things in the tonic which would undo all the hard work I have put in..lol! I'm really in two minds about it at the moment.....but very tempted!

Atomic, do you think if there are extra follicles being produced that this gives the boy sperm that extra advantage somehow with all those eggs "laying in wait" so to speak?

Well, Clomid makes a lot of follicles but sways pink. When I talk about increasing fertility, I'm not talking about sheer numbers of eggs, I'm talking about EWCM, ph, sperm count and quality.

In fact, overall, the majority of twins and higher order multiples are more likely to be girls, not boys. There is no correlation between number of follicles and gender conceived that I am aware of.

Rereading your post I see that someone ELSE told you that you had a lot of follicles, not the lady, but I can't edit the post to fix it. There are natural things (prob. soy) that make a lot of follicles and I would suspect that's at least one of the ingredients. Some people think soy sways blue, not pink. I think it prob. sways pink but can't prove it.

Personally, I would prob. take it in a heartbeat but I can't tell you to do that!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I think if you use the tonic combined with environment altering options. I believe you need to be acidic...not to be gross or TMI but I have a very acidic environment...can strip the colour from underwear....if you get my drift.

We've gone thru this once before if anyone cares to search for the thread, but there is NO CORRELATION between discoloration of your undies and acidity or gender of baby conceived. I have the same issue and have since I was in my teens and have 4 boys.

[atomic sagebrush]

I would not take it. anything that could alter your PH I would stay clear of.
I can totally relate to yuor post because when TTC baby 2 I could not fall pregnant and after months of trying I went and sway a CHinese Acuupunturist who gave me Accupunture and Chinese Medicine. well I fell pregnant that month and suprise suprise with a boy- because the chinese medicine did everything to increase EWCM, and PH to 7. at the time I knew nothing about diet, ph and swaying.

Then When I swayed baby 3 ( a girl) and hadnt fallen pregnant straight away and the diet was killing me I was tempted to take the same chinese medicine again.
BUt thankfully I didnt. I just did the accupunture and fell pregnant straight away. - with a girl.

:agree: Thank you for sharing this experience with us!! Very helpful.

[threelittlebears]

Wow....you wake up here in Australia and there are so many responses to read! Thanks ladies. Atomic it's interesting about the soy as I have been vegetarian for 15 years and ate quite alot of soy products so if there was soy in the tonic too maybe that swayed blue somehow....though like you I believe soy sways pink, however I was never doing anything else "pink" with my 3DS's as I had never seen this site before so a vegetarian diet would have been no help!

Yes, it was the OB who told me about the follicles at my scan and I was expecting twins, however did lose one at 11 weeks unfortunately. I guess I was trying to determine if anyone thought that extra follicles lying in wait could somehow sway blue because I don't want to mess with my pink sway. BABYPINK3 was very helpful with her experiences.

I guess I am concerned with my age of 40 as I have noticed since AF returned 5mnths ago my cycles have become extremely light and shorter than before my last pregnancy. So, I'm thinking maybe my time frame maybe a little shorter than I had hoped for and I'm sure the tonic will speed thing up a little. I know it's best not to obsess over the nitty gritty and just follow your gut instinct, but gee when AF arrives after another month you do question yourself for a couple of days!

[BABYPINK3]

I think if you want to add anything to your sway to increase fertility I would add accupunture treatments from a specialised Fertility accupunturist. I can reccomend someone if you are in Brisbane?
I dont believe that Accupunture alone sways either way because I have friends who have concieved girls and boys when using this treatment. I would be very cautious about using any chinese medicine in combination with it though and I would also make mention to the Accupunturist who is giving you the treatment that you are TTCing a GIRL.... I did this when I was TTCing and found it interesting that she did not even offer the herbs this time, in fact she spoke to me about the very importance of the Acidic PH.
If you are going to cut away one hting from the sway DONT cut away the diet.