Swaying on Clomid - Swaying under special circumstances part 2

[atomic sagebrush]

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http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/13394-those-who-swayed-pink-while-using-clomid-come.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/49513-clomid-users.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/18891-all-past-present-clomid-users.html

Newest Clomid support thread for 2018 is here! http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/62449-new-2018-clomid-support-thread.html

Swaying Under Special Circumstances 2 - Clomid and Femara

According to the “fertility theory of swaying”, everything that boosts fertility, seems to sway blue. So how can fertility medicines like Clomid and Femara be used to sway PINK?? The answer to that question is very important because it has major ramifications for your sway when on Clomid.

Clomid and Femara actually don't boost fertility in the traditional sense of the word. They suppresses your body’s natural estrogen for a few days, and then when you suddenly stop taking it, your body responds by launching into a heightened production of estrogen. This big unexpected boost of estrogen triggers the development of more, and for many people, higher quality, eggs than you would have made on your own otherwise. So if you were normally producing no eggs or one low quality egg, you might produce one or two great eggs. Despite this, the Clomid is not boosting fertility, it’s suppressing it – it’s your body’s response to the Clomid that boosts fertility.

Clomid is actually an anti-fertility drug with the odd side effect of helping you get pregnant!!

The problem with Clomid and to a lesser extent Femara, is that they (mostly Clomid) has a lot of effects on the body aside from the desired goal of causing you to release eggs. These side effects mean that we need to drop sway tactics very quickly to compensate for the effects of the Clomid. Additionally, both Clomid and Femara have limitations in the length of time you are allowed to use them. It is safest to get pg on Clomid/Femara during the first 1-3 months (many doctors will only allow you to take them for 3 consecutive months) and you cannot take either of them longer than 6 months. If your doctor prescribes either medication for you for longer than 6 months, seek a second opinion.

Bottom line, if you are taking Clomid or Femara, you need to get pg FAST. You do not have time for messing around with any sway tactics – ESPECIALLY ones that either don’t work or else are directly inhibiting conception. If you absolutely MUST include one or two sway tactics, of course, I am not your mommy or the angel on your shoulder ;) However, I strongly urge that you limit yourself to one or two minor things and not dozens of extreme things. Or, you can give yourself one and only one month to conceive doing everything you ever wanted to try, but then drop things and FAST.

;)TIMING – If you take one piece of advice from this essay, don’t do timing. It doesn’t sway anyway and it will prevent you from conceiving especially while on fertility medication. Plus since fertility meds can move your ovulation, it's next to impossible to pin down a cutoff anyway.

;)FREQUENCY - If you MUST do frequency patterns, do them only the first month and then drop them. They haven't worked anyway and really do lower odds of conception considerably.

;)pH - While on Clomid, it is best to skip all sway tactics that drastically alter pH. If you MUST use them, do so the first month on the medication only. Blue swayers, you should def. use Preseed while on Clomid. Do NOT use baking soda as it may kill sperm. Pink swayers, do NOT douche or use any of the low pH jellies. If you need a lubricant, use a small amount of sperm safe lubricant like Preseed. If you do not conceive after 2 months on Clomid using nothing, you should switch to Preseed because if you cannot get pg, you have no chance at your DG. People have gotten girls while on Clomid or Femara and Preseed!

;)CM – Since Clomid tends to make your CM drier and hostile to sperm, you need to make sure that you don’t do any sway tactics that will exacerbate this. Blue swayers. Be sure to do guaifenesin to increase CM. Pink swayers, avoid antihistamine, Sudafed, cranberry because it will make your cervical mucus too hostile. Also, you may need to give up aspartame after one or two months if you don’t get a BFP. Pink swayers can also use guaifenesin after 3 months – remember, if you don’t get pg, you have no chance at your DG!

;)Sperm count – Blue swayers should have their husbands wearing boxers, taking a Men's over 50 multivitamin like Men's One a Day to boost sperm health, doing regular release every 2-4 days to boost sperm count. Stay laying flat after intercourse 30 minutes or more and you may want to spend part of that time laying on your belly for better chances of conception. Pink swayers, you need to go very lightly on any strategies such as tighty whiteys and hot baths and be willing to give them up if you do not get pg the first month or two. It’s probably best if you do not have DH take licorice root, peppermint tea, or soy milk. After the first month or two, do not do jump and dump, lie down for 5-15 minutes after BD to make sure the swimmers can make it to the cervix.

;)Supps – I would prefer that people did not take any hormonal supplements while on Clomid or Femara. While we used to allow more leeway with this, for both blue and pink swayers we have seen such poor results with these supplements that I can no longer recommend anyone using them. These include EPO, flaxseed, RRLT, tribulus, FUR, RJBP, Fertile CM, and even green tea have hormonal effects for blue swayers and should be avoided. For pink, vitex, saw palmetto, peppermint tea, Lydia Pinkham, and using BCP or Mirena right up until your month of planned conception may not be ideal.

;) Diet – Blue swayers, the HE Diet will only help you get pregnant while on these medications in addition to helping your sway. Pink swayers, do the diet for 12 weeks or so before you start to TTC. But please don't go overboard, stay in LE Diet limits and be sure you are getting adequate fat. Over time you will need to loosen up on diet and start to include some sources of healthy fats like fish (especially salmon), eggs, full fat dairy and nuts, to help maintain your estrogen as much as you can. Do continue skipping breakfast and avoiding snacks to keep your blood sugar levels under control.

:(But I don’t want to do these things! I’m going to ruin my sway!

Blue swayers – Feel good about your sway on Clomid or Femara! While the medications may sway a little bit pink, hou still get to do most everything you want to do for a blue sway anyway. You do need to give up on timing and BSF, but honestly those things just get in the way of conception anyway. You’re better off without them! Some blue swayers panic when they are told that they need Clomid/Femara because they hear that it sways pink. But just by using Preseed and guaifenesin and eating an estrogen-friendly diet such as HE Diet, you do so much to overcome that. Plenty of people conceive boys on Clomid!!

Pink swayers – Yes, you do have to give up a lot of sway tactics on Clomid and Femara. But the good news is, the Clomid and Femara actually REPLACE the sway tactics you have to give up and they are both better than everything you have to skip over. Clomid and Femara are the best sway tactic that there is because you really can't mess them up - they really are the closest thing there is to a magic pill.

Anyway, I hope this helps answer some questions about swaying on Clomid and Femara! Check out the Dream Members section for more in depth instructions on these medications and how they work!

[Boompink]

Hi!
Firstly, thank you, this information is just what I was looking for.
I am a skinny pcoser, who discovered this whilst doing ig girl sway.
I have now altered my diet to include wholemeal carbs instead of White and I eat less sugar. I just have one more question about the diet... Is olive oil a good idea due to the healthy fat (in moderation). Also, how much nuts? A handful a day or is this too much, thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Boompink, I'm glad you found us! Actually, "Swaying under special circumstances part one" is all about how people with problems regulating their blood glucose levels, should tweak their sway diets and I think it will answer your questions. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1865-Swaying-under-special-circumstances-Part-1-Blood-sugar-issues

If you are eating 25-60 g of fat (about 20-30% fat on a 1500-1800 cal diet), you can get away with some healthy fats in your diet if you need them for your overall health. Just don't go overboard. With nuts, same rules apply - they are blue friendly when eaten in high quantity but a handful will be ok as long as you're sticking with 40-50 g of protein per day (if you have blood sugar issues you may wish to relax this to 50-60)

[Boompink]

Thank you so much, I will check out that thread too!

[atomic sagebrush]

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[kaseybaby]

What kind of lube can Pink swayers use on Clomid?

[amari]

It says below you can "If you need a lubricant, use canola oil. If you do not conceive after 2 months on Clomid using nothing, you should switch to Preseed because if you cannot get pg, you have no chance at your DG. People have gotten girls while on Clomid and Preseed!". Hope this helps!

[kaseybaby]

Thanks amari, i didn't see that answer.

[littlemissnaughty7]

i only have 3 months on clomid left (i think) ive used 3 in the past with my two sons but was on a very friendly blue diet and supps (didnt realise at the time), its so hard for me to try and stop all my sway tactics while on clomid i just keep arguing with myself about it, its driving me mad lol, but i have stopped alot now compared to what i wanted to do, im not going to douche or do a lime tampon, im not going to use acigel/sylk, ive dropped most of the EGS i wanted to do just TBM now and will drop it completely if my ph is low when i dtd, will not be J&D, i will lye with hips raised for 15 mins, i will do a one off BD on O day, with abstinence of 2 weeks, (hubby has been told he has a high sperm count) he will take liq root, and sudafed once before dtd, was going to use a one off full app of rephresh about cd 11, but if i dont get pregnant the first month im sure alot of this will go out the window,

[KraizyDaizy]

Doesn't SYLK lubricant sway girls?

I saw on another thread something about taking wheat grass along with Clomid. What dosage of wheat grass and when do you start taking it? I am on CD12 and took 50mg of Clomid cds 5-10, so I am waiting for my O now. I would appreciate any advice you could give.

Planning to TDT from today through O, so maybe we will make the 7-10 DTD frequency that sways girls? Should we DTD am and pm or just pm?

Is JAD not a good thing on Clomid? Should just lay down for a while afterwards with not running to the bathroom?

Thanks in advance.

[amari]

Doesn't SYLK lubricant sway girls?

I saw on another thread something about taking wheat grass along with Clomid. What dosage of wheat grass and when do you start taking it? I am on CD12 and took 50mg of Clomid cds 5-10, so I am waiting for my O now. I would appreciate any advice you could give.

Planning to TDT from today through O, so maybe we will make the 7-10 DTD frequency that sways girls? Should we DTD am and pm or just pm?

Is JAD not a good thing on Clomid? Should just lay down for a while afterwards with not running to the bathroom?

Thanks in advance.

I think Sylk is too strong to use when on Clomid b/c it kills off too many sperm? Not totally sure on that but that's what I think. I don't know anything about the wheatgrass and clomid. I know it is great for health, I just don't know how strongly you want to get pregnant vs. sway. Same with dtd am and pm for a long amount of time I guess. I was planning on doing it am and pm once I get a +opk, but that is in an ideal world. I really don't know the answer to that either, sorry, I don't feel like I'm much help!

[amari]

i only have 3 months on clomid left (i think) ive used 3 in the past with my two sons but was on a very friendly blue diet and supps (didnt realise at the time), its so hard for me to try and stop all my sway tactics while on clomid i just keep arguing with myself about it, its driving me mad lol, but i have stopped alot now compared to what i wanted to do, im not going to douche or do a lime tampon, im not going to use acigel/sylk, ive dropped most of the EGS i wanted to do just TBM now and will drop it completely if my ph is low when i dtd, will not be J&D, i will lye with hips raised for 15 mins, i will do a one off BD on O day, with abstinence of 2 weeks, (hubby has been told he has a high sperm count) he will take liq root, and sudafed once before dtd, was going to use a one off full app of rephresh about cd 11, but if i dont get pregnant the first month im sure alot of this will go out the window,

What cd are you?

[littlemissnaughty7]

im waiting on AF amari hun to start my clomid

[amari]

im waiting on AF amari hun to start my clomid

Do you normally get it regularly? That's exciting! I forget, did you do vitex at all?

[HopeandDreamG]

Great info again Atomic - thank you. I was going to ask the same question about sylk as Kraisy did. Is a tiny bit OK for DTD? while using clomid- without using any other jellies?

Also- never saw these what does BCP (in Supps paragraph) and BSF stand for (in I don't want to ruin my sway paragraph)

[littlemissnaughty7]

i did do vitex the last 2 months amari, but it took me 15 days from last pil to ovulate the first time and 13 days the 2nd lol, but thats great for me as i havent ovulated on my own for years !

[KraizyDaizy]

when should O be expected on Clomid? My doc says 5-7 days after last pill?

[sixhappysons]

Just a FYI... I used Clomid and conceived DS7! :S

[sweetsister]

Just a FYI... I used Clomid and conceived DS7! :S

Really? Do you have PCOS ?Did you do any swaying girl tactics or girl diet?

[sixhappysons]

Really? Do you have PCOS ?Did you do any swaying girl tactics or girl diet?
I did nothing but take Clomid 100mg days 3-7. I conceived first month and he is ALL boy. :D

[atomic sagebrush]

Doesn't SYLK lubricant sway girls?

I saw on another thread something about taking wheat grass along with Clomid. What dosage of wheat grass and when do you start taking it? I am on CD12 and took 50mg of Clomid cds 5-10, so I am waiting for my O now. I would appreciate any advice you could give.

Planning to TDT from today through O, so maybe we will make the 7-10 DTD frequency that sways girls? Should we DTD am and pm or just pm?

Is JAD not a good thing on Clomid? Should just lay down for a while afterwards with not running to the bathroom?

Thanks in advance.

Sylk sways pink but kills off too many sperm and since you need to get pg quickly on Clomid, it is a no-no.

Don't take wheat grass with Clomid unless you are swaying blue. It would be too late to get any benefit from it anyway.

???You need to do 7-10 days release BEFORE your first attempt for frequency to sway pink. Starting to TTC and then eventually reaching 7-10 days FR does not sway pink. PLEASE do not skip this month tho, you NEED to try every month while on Clomid and skip none. Frequency is not a magic bullet anyway.

Normally I would have you just BD once per day while on Clomid (rather than doing 2 releases a day) BUT if you're really freaked because you won't make the 7-10 days FR, you can try releasing once, then using the second batch for insemination for at least the first couple of attempts. Then switch to reg. FR. I don't recommend this AT ALL but it's your choice.

JAD is not good on Clomid, so wait 5-15 min. and then get up and wipe away excess semen at that point.

[atomic sagebrush]

Great info again Atomic - thank you. I was going to ask the same question about sylk as Kraisy did. Is a tiny bit OK for DTD? while using clomid- without using any other jellies?

Also- never saw these what does BCP (in Supps paragraph) and BSF stand for (in I don't want to ruin my sway paragraph)

I prefer and suggest that people do not use anything while on Clomid but of course I can't control what people do. If you MUST use something, please limit it to a very tiny amount and only in the first two months you attempt. If not pg by month 3, PLEASE drop the jellies.

BCP - birth control pills
BSF - Baking soda finger - a blue sway tactic.

[atomic sagebrush]

when should O be expected on Clomid? My doc says 5-7 days after last pill?

Clomid Ovulation Calculator - When Am I Fertile? | BabyMed.com (http://www.babymed.com/tools/clomid-ovulation-calculator) Here is a handy gizmo that helps you calculate when you're most likely to O during a Clomid cycle!

[littlemissnaughty7]

yes i conceived 2 sons on clomid but i was on a very boy friendly diet with a ph of almost 8 !! and supps were very boy friendly too, no wonder i had two boys, i was taking flaxseed which gives you tons an tons of EWCM, my sister did clomid one month on a girl friendly diet with 1 bd on O day and just had a baby girl !

[atomic sagebrush]

Just a FYI... I used Clomid and conceived DS7! :S

Unfortunately, there are no magic bullets! Not even Clomid!

Statistically, people do conceive more girls on Clomid, but not 100%.

[amari]

Did any of the Clomid users do the sperm meets egg plan?

[Just1wish]

Amari that's my plan (not the original one )but we are going to BD every other day until +OPK then lots of BD at least x2 a day for the +OPK day and 2 afterwards,I'm really hoping my weight loss,low blood sugar,strict diet and clomid do all the swaying for me.I'm not going to worry about anything else (actually 1 exception) with all the BD I might use a finger of rephresh I mean a tiny amount in the mornings.I've just taken clomid tab number 4 of 1 st clomid cycle and I'm not very well atall,I'm not sure if it's side effects or illness as my DH and children have been poorly too.I'm having hot and cold sweats and fever but as I said my DH had fever over the weekend so most probably not the clomid,I'd rather not need another cycle to find out.I've become so sensitive to everything since my recent weight loss ! I think it's because I'm too skinny.praying fOr a BFP very soon GL !

[mindyjean]

Amari, when I took clomid for my 2 boys (had no idea what swaying was at this point), we DTD on days 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20. I don't know if that's what your asking, I know I've read sperm meets egg plan but not quite sure if that's what you're looking for! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Just1 - clomid can totally make you as sick as a dog! Hope you're better soon and BFP!!!

[Just1wish]

Just1 - clomid can totally make you as sick as a dog! Hope you're better soon and BFP!!!
Thanks atomic
I sooo know :( I've been feeling nausea,hot and cold sweats where I literally feel like I'm shaking inside,dizzy spells,migraines and awful body aches.I've pretty much been in bed since starting it.and thank god my doctor started me on 25 mg I honestly don't think I could handle anymore.for me clomid is no walk in the park !
Not sure I'm ready to hear the answer to this but I'm wondering how long I might have these effects for before I start feeling better ? Praying for a BFP I wouldn't/ couldn't go through all this again next month I've felt useless !

[atomic sagebrush]

They should go away when you stop your 5 days. From what I've heard, the first month is usu. the worst and it gets better.

[Just1wish]

They should go away when you stop your 5 days. From what I've heard, the first month is usu. the worst and it gets better.

Thank goodness ! I've finished them now and feel alot better almost 24 hours since my last pill.I have a question atomic please.I seem to have an increase in CM I know you don't advise but I've taken zyrtec last night and the night before ( mainly because of insomnia) but knowing it would help dry up CM but I still seem to have plenty ? I wasn't aware clomid could increase CM too.should I use a finger of rephresh every day or carry on takin a zyrtec nightly.when I take the zyrtec whilst on clomid it changing my CM from watery to creamy.thanks for your help,as always ;) !

[sweetsister]

Thank goodness ! I've finished them now and feel alot better almost 24 hours since my last pill.I have a question atomic please.I seem to have an increase in CM I know you don't advise but I've taken zyrtec last night and the night before ( mainly because of insomnia) but knowing it would help dry up CM but I still seem to have plenty ? I wasn't aware clomid could increase CM too.should I use a finger of rephresh every day or carry on takin a zyrtec nightly.when I take the zyrtec whilst on clomid it changing my CM from watery to creamy.thanks for your help,as always ;) !

I had increased cm in the beginning to but it dried up at ovulation,i really wouldnt mess with anything as you really need to get pregnant fast like atomic says,and you do need some cm or you wont get pregnant at all.Thats just my opinion and my experience? Plus your going to need to dtd soon and need some lubrication or i can tell u know from experience ouch:eek:

[Just1wish]

I had increased cm in the beginning to but it dried up at ovulation,i really wouldnt mess with anything as you really need to get pregnant fast like atomic says,and you do need some cm or you wont get pregnant at all.Thats just my opinion and my experience? Plus your going to need to dtd soon and need some lubrication or i can tell u know from experience ouch:eek:

Thank you.Its my first time on clomid.did you have side effects with it.I've Not felt great atall :( but hopefully the worst has passed now.I will leave out the AH then I thought I'd carry on producing more and more CM.GL to you :)

[Boompink]

Hi Just,
I also had lots of cm but I didn' get pregnant so in hindsight I wonder whether it wasn't the fertile kind as it was very watery, is that what yours was like?

[Just1wish]

Hi Just,
I also had lots of cm but I didn' get pregnant so in hindsight I wonder whether it wasn't the fertile kind as it was very watery, is that what yours was like?

Hi :) yes it's very watery and that's as fertile as my CM gets.I'm sorry you didn't get a BFP I am honestly praying for one as I cannot stand doing the clomid again.I was only taking 25 mg for a luteal phase defect and I didn't cope with the side effects atall.how did you feel on it ? I'm only CD 9 today and we are doing the sperm meets egg plan ! GL :) !

[Boompink]

We did sperm meets egg too. I was on 100 and I was quite lucky, I had headaches constantly and felt 'off colour' but not too bad. Am totally gutted I have to do it again all the same. Fx for you, xx

[HopeandDreamG]

Hi :) yes it's very watery and that's as fertile as my CM gets.I'm sorry you didn't get a BFP I am honestly praying for one as I cannot stand doing the clomid again.I was only taking 25 mg for a luteal phase defect and I didn't cope with the side effects atall.how did you feel on it ? I'm only CD 9 today and we are doing the sperm meets egg plan ! GL :) !

I took mine at night before bed to avoid feeling symptoms. Is that possible for you next cycle?

[sweetsister]

Thank you.Its my first time on clomid.did you have side effects with it.I've Not felt great atall :( but hopefully the worst has passed now.I will leave out the AH then I thought I'd carry on producing more and more CM.GL to you :)

Oh i hated it im 7dpo now and i did 9 attempts because i am determined to not do another clomid month!I actually didnt like the affects of it after the growing follicles cramping feeling and the ovulation tests were misleading for me too ,so i just used ff to chart,i actually oed the exact same day as last month so it didnt change that,anyways good luck to u:)

[atomic sagebrush]

I do not advise taking or using anything while on Clomid. the increase in CM may happen when your body rebounds from having the estrogen blocked, to producing a lot of it suddenly, but that doesn't mean that CM is sperm-friendly. I also agree with SS, just because you have some right when you stop the Clomid, doesn't mean that's going to continue.

Of course, 25 mg is a pretty low dose and it may just mean it hasn't affected you as much as it would have someone taking 50-100. If you MUST take an antihistamine, I would only take ONE the day I planned to attempt.

I'm glad you're feeling better!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Just,
I also had lots of cm but I didn' get pregnant so in hindsight I wonder whether it wasn't the fertile kind as it was very watery, is that what yours was like?

It can look like fertile CM, but the "mucins" that help the sperm swim thru to the egg, may have been negatively effected.

[Just1wish]

I do not advise taking or using anything while on Clomid. the increase in CM may happen when your body rebounds from having the estrogen blocked, to producing a lot of it suddenly, but that doesn't mean that CM is sperm-friendly. I also agree with SS, just because you have some right when you stop the Clomid, doesn't mean that's going to continue.

Of course, 25 mg is a pretty low dose and it may just mean it hasn't affected you as much as it would have someone taking 50-100. If you MUST take an antihistamine, I would only take ONE the day I planned to attempt.

I'm glad you're feeling better!! thank you.

[Just1wish]

I took mine at night before bed to avoid feeling symptoms. Is that possible for you next cycle?

I can honestly say that I will not be doing anymore clomid.my doctor and I believe it just doesn't agree with me.I look grey in colour and as much as I feel better I'm still very shaky and having side effects.I am just so sensitive to everything,honestly I know it's not the same but I have one alcoholic drink and it time for a taxi lol.it's not for me atall.I had a phone consultation with my GP and if this cycle is not successful then my next step is progesterone after O.I had already considered this but when the nurse prescribed me clomid I was delighted.I just couldn't bare to feel this way again :( !

[Just1wish]

Oh i hated it im 7dpo now and i did 9 attempts because i am determined to not do another clomid month!I actually didnt like the affects of it after the growing follicles cramping feeling and the ovulation tests were misleading for me too ,so i just used ff to chart,i actually oed the exact same day as last month so it didnt change that,anyways good luck to u:) you know I'm only CD 9 and I've already changed my plan 3 times and I'm now thinking to go all out like yourself.BD everyday until O is confirmed.I think you have a good chance of BFP,KMFX for you :)

[Just1wish]

We did sperm meets egg too. I was on 100 and I was quite lucky, I had headaches constantly and felt 'off colour' but not too bad. Am totally gutted I have to do it again all the same. Fx for you, xx

Good luck I hope you get your BFP next time and you don't suffer the horrid side effects.please update as to how you feel the second time around :)

[Boompink]

I will, thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

I can honestly say that I will not be doing anymore clomid.my doctor and I believe it just doesn't agree with me.I look grey in colour and as much as I feel better I'm still very shaky and having side effects.I am just so sensitive to everything,honestly I know it's not the same but I have one alcoholic drink and it time for a taxi lol.it's not for me atall.I had a phone consultation with my GP and if this cycle is not successful then my next step is progesterone after O.I had already considered this but when the nurse prescribed me clomid I was delighted.I just couldn't bare to feel this way again :( !

oh honey, I'm so sorry. I have had a bad reaction to every prescription drug I've ever been on too - I think some of us are just like that. Praying you are preggo this month!!

[Just1wish]

oh honey, I'm so sorry. I have had a bad reaction to every prescription drug I've ever been on too - I think some of us are just like that. Praying you are preggo this month!!

Thank you so much atomic.i only have to look at a tablet to feel it's effects lol.I soo hope so too.will keep updating :) ! J1W x

[Just1wish]

Update- so it seems the clomid wasn't completely to blame.I ended up at hospital yesterday as I couldn't breath and looked a funny colour.I have a chest and sinus infection.so this has been brewing in me all week.I might,just might consider another clomid cycle if no BFP this time.

[atomic sagebrush]

PS - I don't actually LIKE this but I am happy to know that it's something treatable.

[Just1wish]

PS - I don't actually LIKE this but I am happy to know that it's something treatable.

:) I like it too because it means im not ruling out clomid again.probably didn't help the way I felt but it's definitely not solely to blame for how I was feeling :) !

[amari]

Update- so it seems the clomid wasn't completely to blame.I ended up at hospital yesterday as I couldn't breath and looked a funny colour.I have a chest and sinus infection.so this has been brewing in me all week.I might,just might consider another clomid cycle if no BFP this time.

Hope you're feeling better!

[Just1wish]

Hope you're feeling better!

I feel wayyyy better now,thank you Amari :) !

[amari]

If you do the sperm meets egg plan but don't usually O until later would you still start dtd every other day on cd 8 until +opk? Would you use a little rephresh this early or still nothing? Does dh then do release on his own the days you're not dtd to keep it as fr? I'm kinda confused about this plan!

Any clomid users doing it?

[sweetsister]

Im going to use something this month as last was a tad rough,but i heard of a girl used conceive plus on clomid , is that the new version of ky jelly or did i hear wrong?And she ended up having triplet girls i know this didnt DO that it was just coincidence but makes me want to use it over preseed,and the girl part i want not the multiples:)but wondering if this is o.k. girl friendly lube?Just the preseed scares me being it is used for boy sways:eek:

[sweetsister]

If you do the sperm meets egg plan but don't usually O until later would you still start dtd every other day on cd 8 until +opk? Would you use a little rephresh this early or still nothing? Does dh then do release on his own the days you're not dtd to keep it as fr? I'm kinda confused about this plan!

Any clomid users doing it?
Hi Amari i planned to use it last time but dtd everyday instead,thought it would be more effective?And they say to dtd every other day up until +opk ,so i would just keep it up even if its late because you could have a surprise early o,just to be covered:)
This time i might do that because its not easy everyday you end up quitting earlier.

[amari]

So will you have dtd one day then have dh release in his own the next?

I never heard if that lube? I was really dry last time, but all the lines really sting for me which I worry means it raises my ph.

[Mum23boys]

Can you do FR then lots of attemps with Clomid or will that lower sperm count too much - should you just do lots of attempts ? My friends looking into swaying but is undecided on using her clomid but her hubby is 44 so even without using clomid abstinance isnt a route she can go down but they want a baby girl..

[Mum23boys]

Anyone ?

[HopeandDreamG]

When I started swaying I dis frequent didn't get preg (on clomid) it's been dropped. So u can start with it but drop it after a cycle or two bc on clomid u want a bfp asap.
Atomic also believes it may only sway a small %

[sweetsister]

When i was on Clomid i also didnt do FR i tried to dtd once every day around o time and on so no messing with anything,just trying to get pregnant while on it.and i did on my 3 rd round of Clomid,but i had been on the diet for the whole previous year almost ,and had started out with FR in the early days but dropped it all,so i would recommend diet over any technique or frequency :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Can you do FR then lots of attemps with Clomid or will that lower sperm count too much - should you just do lots of attempts ? My friends looking into swaying but is undecided on using her clomid but her hubby is 44 so even without using clomid abstinance isnt a route she can go down but they want a baby girl..

Yes, it will likely lower sperm count too much BUT if a couple wanted to try it for the first month on Clomid, that is prob. ok providing that DW has not already done several clomid cycles to TTC previous children.

[atomic sagebrush]

When I started swaying I dis frequent didn't get preg (on clomid) it's been dropped. So u can start with it but drop it after a cycle or two bc on clomid u want a bfp asap.
Atomic also believes it may only sway a small %

Agree 1000% I would take a sway with JUST Clomid and diet in a heartbeat over frequency. It simply cannot make much difference because men make 50-50 X and Y.

[Mum23boys]

Thank you very much. Congrats on your pink bundle sweetsister - good to see someone on just clomid and diet that got a girl - it means it does happen and will give my friend hope !! - I think she thinks she needs to do everything under the sun still whilst on it to get her girl - she cant let go of all the other stuff she has heard about and isnt quite ready to see that it is actually going to do her more harm than good when the times comes

[Maple]

Hi Atomic!

I'm not sure if I'm posting in the right area, but hopefully you will see : )

AF arrived today unfortunately. I have unsuccessfully swayed for 8 cycles and now I start Clomid. I need to make a fair few changes to my sway in order to get preg quickly. Clomid is expensive in New Zealand and I have only 3 cycles maximum on it (NZ restrictions).

I have been on the IG style diet, but added a few more veges in and less meat. Also not drinking too much milk, but eat yoghurt. Recently I have been having some brown rice too - since finding out I have PCOS.

Can I take these supps? Aspirin (every second day), B6 50mg, Calcium, Magnesium?

I have stopped SP, and will no longer use Acigel, Zyrtec, Rephresh.

DH has been taking LR - should I get him to stop?

I will be DTD daily in the fertile phase.

Let me know what you think, and please suggest otherwise!

Much appreciated XX

[Mrs_P]

I have taken my clomid for this month, am on cd10 did cd3 to cd7 but i am still having loads of discharge, way more than normal, i thought clomid took this away???? Am i still ok for my attempt should i be doing rephresh etc (am also taking aspirin)

[Maple]

Bumping for Atomic feedback : ) XX

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Maple, I'm sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I hope this wasn't too pressing timewise.

In terms of diet, since you've been TTC and dieting so long, you may want to add in 8-15 mg zinc 3 times a week and an iron 18 mg every other day. Are you taking 1200-1600 mg folic acid? (unless you are saying you were eating meat during that time??)

You can take aspirin, B6, cal and mag while on Clomid. Now I personally don't believe that B6, cal, and mag sway pink, but they are ok to take.

:agree: with dropping SP, antihistamine, and jellies.

Yes, have DH stop LR. It will still be in his system and swaying for you for a month or two afterwards, maybe even 3. Sperm take 72 days or so to form so every sperm he makes for the next 72 days were exposed to at least a bit of LR.

Go ahead and DTD daily this first month but if you don't get pg, you'll need to switch to SMEP Sperm Meets Egg Plan (http://www.pregnancyloss.info/sperm_meets_egg_plan.htm)

[atomic sagebrush]

I have taken my clomid for this month, am on cd10 did cd3 to cd7 but i am still having loads of discharge, way more than normal, i thought clomid took this away???? Am i still ok for my attempt should i be doing rephresh etc (am also taking aspirin)

Well, it's not magic, it takes time to affect you. You may just be better able to handle it then others are. I'd go ahead and attempt for sure. There are probably changes that you just can't see with the naked eye. If you want to do RepHResh, that's your call to make of course. The first month or two (most people take Clomid for 6 months, not three, so if you only get it for 3 months, disregard these directions, they're only for people who can take a 6 month course) you have a bit of leeway to try something like RepHresh or jump and dump.

[Mrs_P]

Thanks atomic "well its not magic" - really really made me laugh sounded just like something one of boys would say. Think i'm cracking up but it had me in hysterics i could hear his voice saying that.

Shame though, magic pill would be good.

To any girls who've taken clomid.... last night i had really bad pains mid section region bad enough i had to take paracetamol i felt really rough. They've gone today, does this normally happen (was worried it was the start of hyper stimulation as was really painful) and if so is it a signal of ov or does ov come much later? I've no idea when i'll o but am hoping its sooner rather than later

[sugarNspice]

Not sure if this helps, but I had the worst o pains I've ever had in my entire life on Clomid. It was a low dose, and I did not hyperstimulate, but the ovary from which I ovulated that month did look "more swollen than normal" on ultrasound afterwards. For me the pain was most intense on o day, but I could *feel* my ovaries (not in a pleasant way) for a couple of days beforehand.
So my guess is that you'll o soon.... Are you using opks? Temping?

[Maple]

Hi Maple, I'm sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I hope this wasn't too pressing timewise.

In terms of diet, since you've been TTC and dieting so long, you may want to add in 8-15 mg zinc 3 times a week and an iron 18 mg every other day. Are you taking 1200-1600 mg folic acid? (unless you are saying you were eating meat during that time??)

You can take aspirin, B6, cal and mag while on Clomid. Now I personally don't believe that B6, cal, and mag sway pink, but they are ok to take.

:agree: with dropping SP, antihistamine, and jellies.

Yes, have DH stop LR. It will still be in his system and swaying for you for a month or two afterwards, maybe even 3. Sperm take 72 days or so to form so every sperm he makes for the next 72 days were exposed to at least a bit of LR.

Go ahead and DTD daily this first month but if you don't get pg, you'll need to switch to SMEP Sperm Meets Egg Plan (http://www.pregnancyloss.info/sperm_meets_egg_plan.htm)

Excellent - thank you : ) No problem, I realise you are super busy!

I have been eating small amounts of meat throughout this diet. I only take 500 mcg of Folic Acid - shall I double my dose?
I will look into iron and zinc also.

Much appreciated!! XX

[KraizyDaizy]

Atomic,
Can you trust OPKs while on Clomid? I have been testing since CD10 (in am FMU after 2pm and right before I go to bed, so around 20-OPKS so far and my monitor still says HIGH, but got a +OPK this am. Should I believe it? It's a digital smiley OPK, so maybe it's true?

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks atomic "well its not magic" - really really made me laugh sounded just like something one of boys would say. Think i'm cracking up but it had me in hysterics i could hear his voice saying that.

Shame though, magic pill would be good.

To any girls who've taken clomid.... last night i had really bad pains mid section region bad enough i had to take paracetamol i felt really rough. They've gone today, does this normally happen (was worried it was the start of hyper stimulation as was really painful) and if so is it a signal of ov or does ov come much later? I've no idea when i'll o but am hoping its sooner rather than later

LOL I hope that didn't sound smart-ass-y, I just meant that it doesn't work instantaneously (wish it did!)

That is totally normal and not a sign of OHSS - OHSS is very painful and your belly will bloat as well.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic,
Can you trust OPKs while on Clomid? I have been testing since CD10 (in am FMU after 2pm and right before I go to bed, so around 20-OPKS so far and my monitor still says HIGH, but got a +OPK this am. Should I believe it? It's a digital smiley OPK, so maybe it's true?

It can, but I think it's more likely that it messed up your monitor (maybe masked in estrogen the changes that the monitor looks for) and the OPK is right and the monitor is wrong.

Question - how many attempts are you doing? You're not trying to stick to just one attempt at pos OPK, right?

[atomic sagebrush]

Excellent - thank you : ) No problem, I realise you are super busy!

I have been eating small amounts of meat throughout this diet. I only take 500 mcg of Folic Acid - shall I double my dose?
I will look into iron and zinc also.

Much appreciated!! XX

Triple it. Take 500 morning, noon and night.

[KraizyDaizy]

It can, but I think it's more likely that it messed up your monitor (maybe masked in estrogen the changes that the monitor looks for) and the OPK is right and the monitor is wrong.

Question - how many attempts are you doing? You're not trying to stick to just one attempt at pos OPK, right?

Yes, we have started our attempts day before yesterday and then yesterday, plus we will today as well and continue on for a few days for good measure. I am just thinking that maybe I have been actually Oing later in my cycle and we have been stopping too soon, so I hope we can catch the O this month!

[atomic sagebrush]

got it! just making sure! good luck!

[Mrs_P]

Not sure if this helps, but I had the worst o pains I've ever had in my entire life on Clomid. It was a low dose, and I did not hyperstimulate, but the ovary from which I ovulated that month did look "more swollen than normal" on ultrasound afterwards. For me the pain was most intense on o day, but I could *feel* my ovaries (not in a pleasant way) for a couple of days beforehand.
So my guess is that you'll o soon.... Are you using opks? Temping?

thanks sugar, i'm using opk's digi ones, temping has never worked for me, i don't sleep long enough with the boys so hopefully will be accurate my cervix feels like its getting ready (has been firmer and higher than any other recent month til earlier today - sorry tmi i know)

[Mrs_P]

LOL I hope that didn't sound smart-ass-y, I just meant that it doesn't work instantaneously (wish it did!)

That is totally normal and not a sign of OHSS - OHSS is very painful and your belly will bloat as well.

thanks atomic oh and not smart ass y at all just really funny - ds1 asked me why i was laughing so much

[sugarNspice]

OPKs worked fine for me on Clomid--I got one day of positives, which correlated perfectly with (ie, was one day before) the conception date I was given by ultrasound later.
My RE did say to use OPKs, rather than a fertility monitor, to check for ovulation--I think the LH surge (what they test for) is like normal on Clomid, whereas estrogen levels can be off. I've heard that temps can be different on Clomid, too--I didn't temp that cycle because I was travelling, so I don't know what it did to mine. I should say that my normal pattern of fertile cm was absolutely undetectable on Clomid--without the OPKs I would not have been able to figure out which day I o'd. I o'd 5 days after taking the last pill.
Hope this is helpful....

[Maple]

OPKs worked fine for me on Clomid--I got one day of positives, which correlated perfectly with (ie, was one day before) the conception date I was given by ultrasound later.
My RE did say to use OPKs, rather than a fertility monitor, to check for ovulation--I think the LH surge (what they test for) is like normal on Clomid, whereas estrogen levels can be off. I've heard that terms can be different on Clomid, too--I didn't temp that cycle because I was travelling, so I don't know what it did to mine. I should say that my normal pattern of fertile cm was absolutely undetectable on Clomid--without the OPKs I would not have been able to figure out which day I o'd. I o'd 5 days after taking the last pill.
Hope this is helpful....

Hi Sugar&Spice

Thanks for this info, I was wondering about temps and CM patterns. Did you previously get EWCM around O time, and none while on Clomid?
Great that you O'd only 5 days after the last pill too - was that earlier than usual for you?

Have you got your BFP yet?

All the best! XX

[sugarNspice]

Hi Sugar&Spice

Thanks for this info, I was wondering about temps and CM patterns. Did you previously get EWCM around O time, and none while on Clomid?
Great that you O'd only 5 days after the last pill too - was that earlier than usual for you?

Have you got your BFP yet?

All the best! XX

Yes, I absolutely had a clear CM pattern, every cycle (I mean sometimes more days of EW, sometimes fewer, but always the same pattern) without Clomid. On Clomid, I was the driest I've ever been, drier even than when I'd used Cetirizine/Benadryl for swaying. It was like--on antihistamines, I was dry but could still tell that there would have been CF if I hadn't been using the antihistamines, but on Clomid there was nothing at all. I was so dry that DH had trouble finishing (sorry if TMI) which had absolutely never been a problem for him before.

And yes, it was an earlier o than is normal for me, which was a surprise too.

I got pregnant my first cycle on Clomid, which really shocked me. I'd thought, given the dryness and the fact that we DTD only once, there wasn't much chance. But I do have a long history of getting pregnant really easily. I also have a history of miscarriage (4 in the past year) but so far this bean is still there. :fingers:

[Maple]

Hi SugarNSpice,

Wow - thats great it happened your first attempt! Very encouraging..
Great to hear of your healthy pregnancy also! Long may that last!

I am CD9 and I finished my last pill on CD7. I had a blood test today to check estrogen and will be having a scan done on Monday (CD13) to see egg/s? I was advised to have sex over the weekend just in case I O early - but the nurse doubted it would happen too soon. I might start using OPK's just in case however..

Enjoy your pregnancy!! :happy:

[Mum23boys]

Hi apologies if this has been answered but i cant be ar*ed to scroll through all 9 pages - sorry ¬!!!
I wondered about baby aspirin and clomid - is it good to take or will it thin the lining too much ? Thanks

[sugarNspice]

Maple ~ I'd start to dtd this weekend, for sure. If you took clomid CD 3 - 7, you're predicted to o between CD 12 and 17... So if you wait for the scan on CD 13, the egg might already be gone. (of course many women do ovulate later than this on clomid, but you never know what your body will do unless you've taken Clomid for a while, and can see that there's a pattern). In any case, with the dryness/lack of fertile CM that Clomid can cause, you really want to give the sperm a chance to get up into the Fallopian tubes before the egg comes out, so that they're ready and waiting to fertilize it. And if you're on CD 9 now, I'd def start using opks, again because you're better off taking extra ones too early than you are missing the egg. I get the wondfo ones on Amazon (they're super cheap) so I don't feel bad about taking lots of opks.

Hope you catch this egg! :fx:


Mum23 ~ I think (and someone like atomic can correct me if I'm wrong) that baby asprin can actually thicken your lining--it improves blood flow by reducing your blood's ability to clot, so more blood will accumulate inside your uterus. Clomid can cause a thin uterine lining, and baby aspirin helps correct or prevent this.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi apologies if this has been answered but i cant be ar*ed to scroll through all 9 pages - sorry ¬!!!
I wondered about baby aspirin and clomid - is it good to take or will it thin the lining too much ? Thanks

I understand it's a pain and things aren't always easy to find, but you have to realize that I answer literally 50-100 questions a day if not more, and everything you find too inconvenient to look up, simply inconveniences me instead. I'm sorry and not trying to call you out on it because it is not just you, you were just the only one honest enough to admit it. I think people sometimes forget I'm a real person with a real life and family too. I'm not mad at you or or anything, I just want to let you know.

This is your answer from the Clomid essay : "It is also best to not take anything to dry up your CM with Clomid or make it more hostile. No antihistamine, Sudafed, cranberry, aspartame. The one exception to this is baby aspirin. Baby aspirin may actually help when taking Clomid, even though it does acidify, by helping the fertilized egg to implant in the uterus (Clomid makes your uterine lining very thin and so may make it harder for baby to implant). You CAN take Robitussin with Clomid and in fact you SHOULD do so if swaying blue."

[Maple]

Thanks Sugar!
I am super excited, and look forward to updating you!
I will start POAS.. I just hate reducing fluids - so annoying, I forget!

I hope I catch this egg too! :bigsmile:

[Mrs_P]

Anyone been on their clomid long enough to know if it lengths the cycle, 10dpo (day 24) for me and am wondering when to expect AF, i normally only have a 10 day luteal phase although the vitex did lengthen this to 12 last month but shortened my overall cycle to 23 days and moved my o forward to cd12. No idea what to expect this month

Also if Amari or Pearl or anyone else on line with clomid twins happens to notice this, did you get your bfp early with the twins or any other signs of twins early on

[atomic sagebrush]

Vitex can help with luteal phase issues.

[Tiggerian]

This is probably more for the UK ladies:

Baby aspirin keeps coming up - Is it actually called baby aspirin over here too? I haven't seen it anywhere - only regular aspirin.

[EmmyRoo]

Hi,
Saw this in the latest posts list and thought I'd hop in and answer your question! It's the 75mg aspirin tablets people take to prevent heartattacks and strokes. You can get them from the supermarket.
Emmy.

[Tiggerian]

Ah thank you, Emma! No its great you answer - I just read on another forum that they'd become "prescription drugs" only so I was having a mild panic attic over how difficult it all is (i'm practising my defeatism - atomic says it sways girl! :drama:)

[atomic sagebrush]

This is probably more for the UK ladies:

Baby aspirin keeps coming up - Is it actually called baby aspirin over here too? I haven't seen it anywhere - only regular aspirin.

No, it's not called baby aspirin here either, just a bad habit that we have. Babies should never be given aspirin.

It's low dose aspirin, dose of 70-80 mg or thereabouts.

[taprimack]

Hi, can you please clarify "You need to do 7-10 days release BEFORE your first attempt for frequency to sway pink. Starting to TTC and then eventually reaching 7-10 days FR does not sway pink."

Not sure I understand the 7-10 day release and what FR means. We had been trying to sway pink...nothing too crazy though. Just timing and diet. When we weren't getting pregnant we just said heck with it but still no luck. Dr. is probably going to start me on Clomid and I thought maybe we would try to sway with Clomid for a cycle or two.

Found your essay really helpful! Been reading on the responses/correspondence among the users. Great insight ladies!!


Sylk sways pink but kills off too many sperm and since you need to get pg quickly on Clomid, it is a no-no.

Don't take wheat grass with Clomid unless you are swaying blue. It would be too late to get any benefit from it anyway.

???You need to do 7-10 days release BEFORE your first attempt for frequency to sway pink. Starting to TTC and then eventually reaching 7-10 days FR does not sway pink. PLEASE do not skip this month tho, you NEED to try every month while on Clomid and skip none. Frequency is not a magic bullet anyway.

Normally I would have you just BD once per day while on Clomid (rather than doing 2 releases a day) BUT if you're really freaked because you won't make the 7-10 days FR, you can try releasing once, then using the second batch for insemination for at least the first couple of attempts. Then switch to reg. FR. I don't recommend this AT ALL but it's your choice.

JAD is not good on Clomid, so wait 5-15 min. and then get up and wipe away excess semen at that point.

[fairyfrog]

This is probably more for the UK ladies:

Baby aspirin keeps coming up - Is it actually called baby aspirin over here too? I haven't seen it anywhere - only regular aspirin.

I buy the regular aspirin and divide it in quarters with a pill cutter.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi, can you please clarify "You need to do 7-10 days release BEFORE your first attempt for frequency to sway pink. Starting to TTC and then eventually reaching 7-10 days FR does not sway pink."

Not sure I understand the 7-10 day release and what FR means. We had been trying to sway pink...nothing too crazy though. Just timing and diet. When we weren't getting pregnant we just said heck with it but still no luck. Dr. is probably going to start me on Clomid and I thought maybe we would try to sway with Clomid for a cycle or two.

Found your essay really helpful! Been reading on the responses/correspondence among the users. Great insight ladies!!

Some people have thought (mistakenly) that they could start FR like 2 days before their fertile window, then BD thru the fertile window of 5 days to equal 7 days, and that meant frequent release. But that's not right. You have to have had your husband release 7-10 consecutive days in a row BEFORE the earliest attempt that could possibly get you pregnant. His sperm have to be depleted before you can get pg.

Right way - 7-10 releases BEFORE attempts, for total of releases + howevermany attempts you are doing (so total of 8-11 releases or so)

Wrong way - 7-10 releases INCLUDING attempt for total of 7-10 releases.

Timing doesn't sway anyway so don't worry about giving that up http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/7691-trouble-timing.html

FR definition and prob. more info than you ever wanted to know is here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/5636-frequency-bd-pink-blue.html

And the reasoning underlying frequency patterns and swaying is here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/10156-jellybean-factory-%96-understanding-sperm-count-frequency.html

[wannagirl21]

No, it's not called baby aspirin here either, just a bad habit that we have. Babies should never be given aspirin.

It's low dose aspirin, dose of 70-80 mg or thereabouts.

Thanks for clearing that up I thought it was literally called baby aspirin also cuz I haven't been on the site much and didn't know it was regular aspirin. No I won't be so confused when I go to buy it. thx:happy:

[marwants 2girls]

Yes- I found it- a ton of the info I have been searching for......Love it!!! Thanks to the moon and back!!

[onebigwish]

question:
Can i get pg on clomid with one attempt?
we want to try first month the frequent release 4days before O, 3 days before O, 2days before O and one day before O. Can i get pg with that?
DH and i are Young and super fertile!? :)

[GeCon]

question:
Can i get pg on clomid with one attempt?
we want to try first month the frequent release 4days before O, 3 days before O, 2days before O and one day before O. Can i get pg with that?
DH and i are Young and super fertile!? :)

It may well be possible to fall pregnant with just one attempt whilst on Clomid. However, due to Clomid potentially changing your cycle it may not be as easy to predict ovulation and therefore plan your one attempt.

The thing with Clomid is that you really want to get pregnant as soon as possible whilst taking it as you only have a limited number of months you will be allowed on Clomid. If you are confident about yours and OH's high fertility, I would try one attempt for the 1st month only. If it works, great. If not, move on to more attempts in the following month(s).

[atomic sagebrush]

question:
Can i get pg on clomid with one attempt?
we want to try first month the frequent release 4days before O, 3 days before O, 2days before O and one day before O. Can i get pg with that?
DH and i are Young and super fertile!? :)

Release 4,3,2 days before O is not frequent release, FR is 7-10 days before attempt. If you're talking about the compressed FR, that's fine but he'll need to release 2 or even 3 times a day.

Yes, you can get pg on Clomid with one attempt. I have been recommending that anyone who doesn't strictly need the Clomid for conception, try one attempt the first two months just to see if you can get pg that way.

[rachel]

This is awesome i am going to use clomid once when i start trying again as i have issues with the cancer scares :/ so i hope it works i honestly do believe pcosers have more boys than not as well cos i think that is what gave me my boys my pcos and insulin resistance......

[Throwaway_panther]

Other sites are suggesting I take ovulation induction meds because even progesterone supplements weren't keeping my post o temps high. My RE had suggested Femara as well. I had refused at the time because obviously I don't wany anything swaying girl, but it seems like I might need it since now I'm not getting pregnant on top of not staying pregnant. Are your blue recs the same for Femara, or should I push for Clomid? The twinning aspect is sure appealing.

[atomic sagebrush]

If I had my druthers I'd have u use the Femara. It's so much better for fertility overall.

Let me reread my essay (been awhile since I read it TBH) before I sign off on the rec's

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I still stand by those things for Femara too - Preseed, Guanefesin, estrogen supplements if they think you need them (altho you shouldn't while on Femara!)

What else specifically were you wondering about???

[Throwaway_panther]

Yes, I still stand by those things for Femara too - Preseed, Guanefesin, estrogen supplements if they think you need them (altho you shouldn't while on Femara!)

What else specifically were you wondering about???

Definitely was concerned about the swaying aspect more than anything, although now I'm seeing I will have to wean DD completely while on it?!

I've been doing the guamefesin anyway just fpr boy purposes, but I'm definitely not ever at a lack of CM! But as I'm waiting for my 5th loss here, the issue seems to be the LP phase. I know my RE said it gives the egg a good boost, whichin turn helps the progesterone in the LP... but even progesterone supplementation didn't end up helping this egg :(

I've been ovulating CD 18-19 with an 11 day LP, fyi.

[atomic sagebrush]

Only because there are no adequate studies. http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/letrozole-oral-route/before-using/drg-20067579 Personally I'd be ok taking it. Use your own judgement.

Let me clarify what your RE said. If the egg was dodgy to start with or something went wrong early along in development (which is the most likely cause of losses, of course) then no progesterone in the world would have prevented the loss. Pregnancies don't end because of progesterone shortage per se; they end because something is not right and your body starts reducing progesterone to end it. So a better egg may make better CL and higher progesterone but the most important element is that a better egg will be more likely to develop normally and thus send the signal to your body to continue raising progesterone.

[atomic sagebrush]

bump

[Kkmommy2sons]

I got my 2nd boy with clomid after a failed 8 mo pink sway. Im doing things differently this time, I still may need clomid. I’m doing the diet better this time.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you can get Clomid, USE IT. Clomid + pink sway gets 75%. Clomid on its own may sway about 3-5% so it's totally possible to get a boy while using it - but using it with a pink sway will be a lot more of a sway than Clomid alone!

[pretty white gold]

Atomic thanks with the info so with all i hv read here i just want to ask! I hv Clomid and swauing blue can i use coconut oil as preserd or as lubricant and can u please tag me to where those that hv take it to see their success and wat days

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[atomic sagebrush]

Please use Preseed instead of coconut oil. Sperm is not meant to swim through oil.

I can't tag you to anyone, I just have too many clients to keep straight. But you can use Google and you'll see thousands of women who conceived boys WITHOUT swaying, while using Clomid. It is only about 3% and so you can find nearly 50% of people got boys on Clomid. :)