Help me Atomic!!

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

I am so unsettled because I am not sure that I understand you correctly. I really want a girl.

1st variant:
0-1 (previously 7 days of emptying)

2nd variant:
0-2 (previously 5 days abstaining)

Which variant do you recommend to me?

My boy was conceived on 0-1 or 0 (previously 3 times BD)

We have already practiced 0-3 / 0-2 but did not work ... I would be so grateful to you for an answer, I simply do not know how to do it because I did not fully understand an important post from you.

[atomic sagebrush]

Either O-1 or O-2 with 7 days of emptying OR 7 days of abstaining is correct. The difference is in the husband's age.

You can pick either O-1 or O-2, whichever you prefer. Since you have tried with O-2, I would try O-1 now.

If your husband is over 35 years of age then do the 7 days of emptying. If he is younger than 35 do the abstaining.

[Biene2019]

Thank you very much for your answer. I am very grateful.

Another question, I only take folic acid and magnesium (200-300 mg) to fluctuate pink. Can I take magnesium or do I not recommend it?

This is my last question :-) Thank you for your time !!!

[Biene2019]

Thank you very much for your answer. I am very grateful.

Another question, I only take folic acid and magnesium (200-300 mg) to fluctuate pink. Can I take magnesium or do I not recommend it?

This is my last question :-) Thank you for your time !!!

[Biene2019]

Thank you very much for your answer. I am very grateful.

Another question, I only take folic acid and magnesium (200-300 mg) to fluctuate pink. Can I take magnesium or do I not recommend it?

This is my last question :-) Thank you for your time !!!

[atomic sagebrush]

You are supposed to take calcium and magnesium if you are using the mineral diet.

Personally, I don't think either of them actually work, and I do not recommend you take the magnesium OR calcium.

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

I'm sorry to bother you again. But I'm so unsure. Unfortunately, it didn't work again this month (sex 0-2).
On 0-2 I got the fallopian tubes flushed out by the gynecologist (at noon) and had sex in the evenings.

Which worries me a lot. They say if man is over 36 then sex is every day. However, my gynecologist said that the likelihood of pregnancy is highest if the man abstains as long as possible beforehand.

My second problem is that I am convinced of the theory on ES like boys before ES like girls.

I just don't dare to go 0-1 with daily sex.

Don't you also think that sex 0-2 with 7 days of emptying gives higher conception than 0-2 with daily emptying (according to my gynecologist)?


Thanks again for your answer. You are so great and I am glad to have found you.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think we may be having some confusion on "emptying." I thought you meant having your husband ejaculating??

Your gynecologist is wrong - abstaining for more than 7 days actually makes some of the sperm start to die, otherwise he would explode if he kept making more and more sperm. :)

I am not telling you to do daily sex. You need to have only ONE unprotected attempt. DO NOT DO DAILY SEX FOR PINK! You either have sex using protection like condoms, or your husband ejaculates on his own. But have only one unprotected attempt for a girl. If you feel you must do that attempt O-2 that is up to you.

Both daily emptying and abstaining cut odds of conception by a lot.

[Biene2019]

All right, now I understand everything.

Another curious question. Do you have better experiences with:

7 days abstention and then one try or

daily emptying and then ONE attempt?

Thanks a lot :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

We have gotten about the same results over time. Right now I think abstain has slightly better results, but in the past daily release has. Since both of them are much less successful than the site as a whole, I suspect that neither of them works.

[Biene2019]

dear atomic

we tried 0-2 again with a single attempt after flushing my fallopian tubes.

now i'm very insecure since i had an orgasm on one try. on the ovulation day we had no sex but an orgasm. can that fluctuate blue now? Should I be worried?

Thank you for your answer!

[atomic sagebrush]

I personally doubt orgasms sway much. We have done many polls and threads and found that many moms of all girls always had them. I wouldn't worry about this.

[Biene2019]

hello atomic. unfortunately it didn't work for us again. we would now try the method with 7 days of abstinence. My question:

Does my husband have to empty 7 days outside and then have intercourse (the 8th time) or 6 days outside and then have intercourse (the 7th time)?

Another question, is it correct that it has to be 7 days? 4 or 5 are not enough to fluctuate pink?

One more time: THANKS

[atomic sagebrush]

Again, I think we are having some confusion on what abstain is. Abstain means that your husband does not ejaculate anywhere for 7-10 days before having one attempt.

What you are describing sounds like daily release. It is fine to do daily release, and in that case have him release 7 days and then have attempt inside on the 8th day.

Yes, it needs to be 7 days. 4-5 does not seem to be enough.

[Biene2019]

Excuse me, I understand you correctly. Either daily emptying (outside) with one attempt or 7-10 days of abstinence with one attempt.

I read something else on genderdreaming. I notice that they often speak of a cutoff of 2-3 days. If the 7-10 days are too long for my husband, can you also abstain for 2-3 days and then recommend a try?

I am firmly convinced of the timing with a try, how would you best do it to get pregnant quickly?

They always talk to fluctuate pink, a small amount of sperm is needed. After 7-10 days of abstinence, according to a study, it was found that the quality of the sperm decreases but the amount increases?

high sperm count = boy?
how does that fit together to fluctuate pink ??

[atomic sagebrush]

No. Abstaining 2-3 days does not do anything. It has to be no ejaculation for your husband for 7-10 days.

The sperm with an abstain is lower quality and much of it cannot swim to the egg. That means it still lowers sperm numbers.

I am fine with you leaving abstain out if you would like. Neither abstain nor daily release has worked that well for us.

[Biene2019]

Many thanks. May I ask how you did timing with your girl?

Do you recommend yam? I'm afraid I have a low progesterone level (measure temperature) but I don't want to take Clomi. Can you also recommend something to me?
How much folic acid should i take?

Thank you very much Atomic, you are great as you keep writing back

[atomic sagebrush]

My husband and I had sex every 4 days or so.

Yam supplements do not work. The kind of progesterone in them is not usable by your body. The yam creams they sell only have a very small amount of progesterone and are meant for menopausal women, not women trying to conceive.

Is your luteal phase 14 days after ovulation??

I like you guys to take 1200-1600 mcg of folic acid or better yet, folate. Take this even into your pregnancy, for the entire first trimester, and then wean off slowly to the amount in the prenatal.

[Biene2019]

dear atomic thank you all very well.

a question, I'm using the clearblue monitor. now he shows me the 3rd high today and tomorrow I will have a Max (I'm sure). we had GV on the 2nd up, can I now have GV again at the 3rd up and then stop at MAX tomorrow? have heard that 3 days before ES the likelihood of pregnancy is low? may I again today as it is still 2 days before ES or is there still only one attempt?

Thanks for your quick reply. LG

[atomic sagebrush]

I prefer you guys do one attempt at the peak (max). I would not have any more attempts till the peak comes.

[Biene2019]

do you think frequent sex or frequent release generally increases male testosterone levels? thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

No.

And male testosterone levels have never been proven to sway anyway.

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

I'm writing to you again, I'm sorry I'm a little desperate.

I think I had good ovulation (Lutel phase of 14-16 days) and my Clearblue always shows me 2 days max. I also always have a very good cervix. We had sexual intercourse with one attempt (and different variants) 2 days (in the evening) before ovulation. I am pretty sure that ovulation takes place in the morning from the 2nd max because the cervix then changes.

I also respect nutrition as much as possible according to your plan. Coffee in the morning with whole milk since I'm in line. I don't do any sport anymore (no time work and child). Often eat yogurt, lettuce, some pasta for the weight, lots of rice. In the evening often cheese with bread and regular alcohol.

But it doesn't want to work, do you think I'm too far away from ovulation?

I always have brown light spotting 1-2 days before the period is that bad?

Can you give me any tip? Do I really have to get that close to ovulation? (I believe in Shettles). Can you recommend something like chaste tree or something else to support (except Clomi, would like to sway pink)?


I am currently a little desperate and would be happy to hear from you.

Kind regards

[atomic sagebrush]

If you are having a luteal phase of 16 days, I suspect you are ovulating sooner than you realize and may be missing ovulation. If you are having attempt 2 days before O then yes you should try a day closer and have sex the day before O. But if you can't give up Shettles then you're just going to have to be patient.

You cannot tell what time of day you've ovulated from changes in the cervix. I know they say that on other sites but it's been proven completely untrue. Even highly trained experts can't pin down ovulation to the day, let alone the time of day.

Do not take chaste tree. It doesn't work and has really messed up people's menstrual cycles.

ARe you doing anything else that may cut odds of conception? Like having your husband wear tight underwear or take hot baths, or shallow release, or any douching???

[Biene2019]

so don't you think that ovulation could be later during a Lutel phase? (You write earlier, then I would have had sexual intercourse exactly at ovulation). I almost always suspected ovulation on days 11-13, according to the Clearblue Monitor as well as the cervix.

I read on this page as soon as the ovulation is over the cervical mucus changes whitish again?

No we don't do anything else, I also have an orgasm. added. Do you think it is realistic to get pregnant 2 days before ovulation? or do I have to advance a day?

Thanks Atomic for always replying.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ugh, yes, sorry, I had a splitting headache that day and I even remember thinking "something about this answer is not right" but I couldn't figure out what word I wrote wrong LOL

It is highly unusual for the LP to go more than 14 days. So if you're having what you think is a 16 day LP with any regularity the chances are you're not ovulating when you think you are. For example, if you were thinking you ovulated CD 11 and have a 16 day LP I can promise you are not ovulating on CD 11. So you're giving yourself no chance of conception that way.

Without seeing where I wrote that, I would assume that was a very old post or a post where I was simply explaining the basics of some other method (I have a few posts where I explain in plain English how to do a sway tactic I don't happen to agree with). But we are not finding - and more importantly, studies have proven - that cervical mucus is a very reliable way of pinning down ovulation. Yes, at some point your cervical mucus does go creamy and then dry after ovulation, but that does not seem to happen on a reliable timeline that you can know when you ovulate for sure. We are having people who have dry CM the day before ovulation, and people who are having stretchy CM the day after ovulation still (I got my daughter in a month where I had EWCM after ovulation)

It is possible to get pregnant with sex 2 days before ovulation but I am worried you're not ovulating when you think you are.

Could you explain (and sorry if you already did this, I just need to be sure) when on the Clearblue you're having your attempt? Flashy smiley or peak smiley?

[Biene2019]

My LP phase is usually 14 days. In my opinion, however, the temperature does not rise "really clearly" until 3-5 days after ovulation.

We always have intercourse on the 3rd HIGH EVENING and the next morning I have the 1st Max on the Clearblue Monitor. Then I have clearly 2 dark stripes. So I'm already assuming that I'm ovulating? My doctor also suspected that there was ovulation (we were late, but suspected one).

Then I guess I just have to be patient? Do I have to worry about spotting 2 days before the period?

Another question. I only believe in Shettels because of "Hazel Philippsen" do you know them? I find this book very interesting .....

to your question, my Clearblue Monitor has that 1. Max mostly on cycle day 12 and the second Max. on cycle day 13. The period mostly starts again on day 28.

[atomic sagebrush]

When you get the first peak (max) on the Clearblue you can be anywhere from 24-48 hours or even longer before ovulation. So by having attempt on the day of a high reading you may be 2-3 days or even more before your ovulation. My concern remains the same - if you are attempting too early you have very low chance of conception. It is fine to carry on doing that if it's important to you but just understand you are going to have lower chances of conceiving than you would have otherwise.

What you're describing is a 28 day cycle with ovulation on CD 14. This isn't set in stone but based on what you're telling me this is the most likely situation.

If you are having your period come and your cycle is fairly regular then the odds are all but 100% you are ovulating. I am just worried you're ovulating later than you think.

If your LP is usually 14 days then that's no big deal, it's just that I have people tell me very often they are ovulating early with a long LP and then they cannot conceive with that timing.

Since it seems your LP is 14 days, 2 days of spotting before the period is not unusual and not abnormal. That is still a perfect LP and fine for conception.

Yes, I'm aware of the Hazel Chesterman Phillips books. It is the same set of assumptions that Dr. Shettles made because he was wrong about X and Y sperm. X sperm are not big, slow, and do not live an unusually long time. Y sperm are not small, fast, and die quick. All that stuff was a very big mistake that we now have completely proven untrue. Dr. Shettles, and all the theories based on his work, mistook capacitated sperm (small, fast, ready to fertilize an egg, and die quickly) and uncapacitated sperm (big, slow, dormant, and long lived) for Y sperm and X sperm. But the big and small sperm had nothing to do with the gender of the sperm at all. It was all whether or not they were ready to fertilize an egg. So all that stuff to do with timing is completely wrong and debunked by modern researchers using technology that Dr. Shettles did not have back in the 60's.

[Biene2019]

Super Atomic, thank you so much you are so lovely :-)

One more question, since I've been on a diet, my period has changed. Before, I always had a very, very strong period (iron deficiency again and again) since the diet is much less strong. Is this a good or bad sign to fluctuate pink or doesn't it matter?

I got folic acid from the doctor with 0.4 (equivalent to 4000mg I think) that would be too much to fluctuate pink right? it should only be 1200-1800 mg?

I will keep trying and maybe find out more. I will keep you up to date, thank you very much!

[atomic sagebrush]

It is a good sign for pink and was what many of us noticed. Much lighter periods and often coming at a different time of day (later in the day rather than first thing in the morning). This actually does not mean you have an iron deficiency (though if you have one, you should take iron, not sure if we talked about this yet - I'll go back and reread our messages). Many times people with low iron have terribly heavy periods because their blood isn't clotting properly.

I prefer you guys take 1200-1600 unless you have had a baby with a neural tube defect.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not seeing anything about anemia in this thread, but if you have reason to think you're low in iron I recommend taking 18-60 mg iron (avoid the irons that come in hundreds of doses as they're badly absorbed and are upsetting to the tummy) daily for 2 weeks. If you notice a drastic, dramatic improvement - more energy, less tired, able to catch your breath if you weren't able to before - then take that dose for 6 weeks, then try to go to 3x a week maintenance dose. If when you do that, you start to feel worse, continue the daily dose. If after 2 weeks you don't notice any improvement I'd still just have you take it 3x a week anyway just in case. It doesn't seem to negatively affect a sway and it is hard to get enough iron on LE Diet, so when there is any doubt I would have you take the iron just to be on the safe side.

[Biene2019]

so maybe I have to explain it. I always had an iron problem before my pregnancy (also got infusions). Since I was pregnant, my iron value has been top. I haven't measured for a while, but I don't feel specifically tired or anything.

I was just afraid because my period is suddenly less and, as you say, occurs later in the day, that I might be missing any nutrients and therefore I am not pregnant. Do you know what I mean? So that means it doesn't have to be a bad sign?

[atomic sagebrush]

It is not a bad sign. That is part of what happens with the sway. It is happening to many of us and has to do with changes in hormones, not nutrient levels. We have had people who saw these changes in their period and were worried so they had testing done and they weren't low in anything.

If you have a history of anemia just try the 3x a week dose as a preventative.

[Biene2019]

Thank you very much Atomic. Do you think that 6 days of abstinence and then intercourse fluctuates blue 2 days before ovulation? Or can that fluctuate pink?

Do you have a timing recommendation that works best? Time and time of abstinence?

And I understand that correctly, I always have spinnable protein-like mucus first and then creamy. So can it be that the ovulation of the creamy is not over yet? correct?

THANKS ATOMIC!

[atomic sagebrush]

No, because timing does not work. It doesn't affect sways at all. Just have one attempt.

If there was a recommendation I would give it to you guys. The only thing that actually works is the one attempt. Abstain and timing don't seem to work. Have one attempt, and have it at a place in time when you can actually conceive (do not have this attempt too soon or too late, or you won't get pregnant)

Mucus is not very reliable to tell if ovulation has happened. While you can see trends, it does not work to the exact day and you can't rely on it to tell you if the egg has been released.

[Biene2019]

all clear i understand, it also makes sense. But you always talk about this one try reducing the amount of sperm and increasing the chance of pink.

So is it correct that the more days you are abstaining (1-6) the more the sperm count increases the more you fluctuate blue or? Do you know what I mean?

Thanks for your response to cervical mucus. There are also many pages on the Internet that the cervix immediately changes whitish creamy again after ovulation. I'll take care of it, thanks :-)

[Biene2019]

hello atomic. have you received my message? thanks for your effort

[atomic sagebrush]

It sometimes takes me a couple days to get back to people. Thanks for your patience.

By this time, 10 years after this site was begun, we have a good body of data that shows us what works. Abstain does not work. Timing (we know from scientific studies) does not work. One attempt DOES work. So we try to do the things that work and not the things people imagine, if that makes sense. Reducing sperm numbers is a THEORY. Abstain not working seems to be a fact since it has not added anything to our success rates. We know one attempt works because we saw that in our results.

No, it is not correct that the more days you abstain the more blue it is. Abstaining too long makes sperm die and then it also makes the body stop producing sperm. So abstaining many days can actually lower sperm count and that is why we thought it swayed pink (though it has not worked really)

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic. Take your time, you will certainly have a lot of work to do, thanks for your effort.

I will keep trying. One question, with my Clearblue the lines on the test stick on the 1st Max day (especially the right one) are much more intense than on the 2nd Max day. Could that mean that ovulation takes place on the 1st max day or certainly early on the 2nd max day? Do you know anything about that?

One more question, since I've been following the LE diet, I've been feeling ovulation for the first time (relatively severe back pain) including light red-brown spotting (with mucus) is that a bad sign? I am a bit worried?

[atomic sagebrush]

The darkness of the lines does not tell you when the ovulation has occurred or even if it has or not. You can't count on that. You will ovulate 24-36 hours on average after the first positive test regardless of whether it's the darkest positive.

Changes in cycle with swaying are normal and many report either their O pains go away, or they start having O pains when they never did before.

When is the spotting happening?? how many months has this occurred?

[Biene2019]

ok, then i can't say the darker the line the closer to ovulation?

The spotting took place exactly on the day of the 1st Max. Before that, I had severe back pain for 2 days, I don't know anything like that. The first time happened! Am I worried about that?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes. The darkness of the line does not tell you how close you are to ovulation. It only tells you how much hormone is coming out in your urine. But the amount of hormone in your urine doesn't give you a timeline of ovulation, when it will happen, or even IF. Many times people hav their darkest positive AFTER they've already ovulated. Other times they do not ovulate till after their test has gone negative.

I would not worry about it, it's something that happens from time to time even without swaying. If it goes on into other months we may need to discuss having you eat more fat but for now I would just chalk it up to a one-off and see what happens.

[Biene2019]

many thanks. she help me with so many things ..

something else for my husband, should he avoid coke and coffee to sway pink?

[atomic sagebrush]

No, he can have them in moderate amounts. Just not right before intercourse for the coffee.

[Biene2019]

great thanks, my husband will be happy;)
But for women, drinking a lot of coffee is right? or am I also not allowed to have sex?

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't quite understand what you're asking me here, but you can have coffee and also can have sex with protection. Some people try not to have a female orgasm but it is probably ok.

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

Thank you, I got it wrong but I got it right, sorry.

I came across an interesting article:

If the man "collects" sperm for too long, there will tend to be more girls because the boys are not intended for long storage. Y sperm would be more sensitive.

What do you think of this Theroie?

Many thanks.

[atomic sagebrush]

It is not true and based on an old theory that has been completely debunked.

X and Y sperm are equally strong, live the same amount of time, and swim the same speed.

The reason why abstain (collecting sperm for a long time) sways pink is because it lowers sperm count and lower sperm count may sway pink for reasons we do not know. But there are always about 50-50 X and Y sperm.

[Biene2019]

Thank you Atomic. I think it's so nice of you that you always answer? Why are you helping all the unsteady mothers? Do you even have time with that many children? :-) I just think you're great.


This month I will now, as you say, try to ovulate, wish me luck.

P.s. another question

Can I drink mineral water containing magnesium? I find it hard to just drink water? Since I'm losing more and more weight (size 168 and 52kg) Is white rice and white pasta, white bread ok? I'm trying to keep my weight down ... Do you have any other tips? Can i eat cheese? I'm not so sure about the diet whether cheese is ok or not ...

Thank you!!

[atomic sagebrush]

This is my job. I make about the same amount of money doing this from the coaching service that I would get from a job, so I answer questions and do research as a profession.

My first two sons are adults and live in their own house, so they don't take up that much of my time. And my younger children are 12, 10, and 8 so are less work now. When my younger kids were small, my older sons still lived at home and did a lot of chores and they were a big help then.

Yes mineral water is fine, I agree I don't much care for straight water either.

As long as you're not on the alternate diet (in which case you should have brown rice, pasta, and wheat bread) then that is ok. Eat as much as you need to keep weight on.

Cheese is fine on all forms of the diet and is completely allowed.

[Biene2019]

Very exciting, in any case I am very happy to have found you and will happily recommend you to others.

Which I still can't get out of my head. You write everywhere, the only thing that seems to work is 1 attempt (amount of sperm count). They say that there are an equal number of x and y sperm. And you also say it is not correct that male sperm die earlier and are faster. The following is therefore not clear to me:

No matter whether 1 attempt, 2 attempts or 3 attempts. It always has the same number of x as y (as they say) so it shouldn't matter how much ejaculate there is?

I hope you understand my question is a bit complicated. I tried to find out on your site but I have a button :-)

I hope I don't annoy you, I find it all so exciting!

[atomic sagebrush]

We don't know why, but things that seem to end with fewer sperm, even though they are half X and half Y, seem to sway pink.

So it's actually best to have one attempt to make fewer sperm, even though they are still 50-50.

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

I'm turning to you again. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out yet.

1 attempt on the 1st max day of Clearblue (morning). My husband was abstinent for about 3 days. I had a lot of hope but unfortunately it doesn't work out.

I have the following question: my cycle has changed again. I always have brown phlegm 3-4 days before my period.

Then the period always starts with a lot of brown spotting and only on 2-3. During the day, the period is really intense. It used to be the other way around (1st day totally heavy period and then weakened.)

I'm a little worried, since everything is so different, is this normal? Or a bad sign?

My Lutel phase is exactly 14 days including this spotting and my cycle is always 27-28 days.

Thank you.

[atomic sagebrush]

It is very normal to see changes in your cycle when swaying. That doesn't concern me at all.

Are you ready to start making changes to boost odds of conception?

[Biene2019]

I'm ready and I know, I just wonder if I'm on the right track, that's all, hope you understand me ...

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're ready, I would go to every 4 day method now - have unprotected sex every 72 hours or so apart starting after your period ends and continuing on till you're certain you've ovulated, even if that means going all the way through till next period starts.

Are you doing jump and dump, shallow release, jellies, douching, frequency, or anything like that?

[Biene2019]

is the every 4 days method also good if I ovulate on day 12?

I will try, thanks. I don't do any more attempts like jump and dump or anything. Why would you recommend this?

Do you think of the JonasM method? (boys moon, girls moon) found this in a thread and found it still interesting.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it doesn't matter when you ovulate. It doesn't match with the timing methods, but they don't work anyway.

The reason I recommend that is because when we do the one attempt, it is easy to have the one attempt on the wrong day for our bodies. For instance, we assume "it would be best if I always had an attempt the day of positive OPK" (because that IS best in most cases). But what if YOU personally would be better off having an attempt the day before, or the day after? Or what if you never get a positive OPK that month?? By doing the e4d, you are always in with just one viable attempt in your fertile window, so it's an easy way of having one attempt, but changing the day without doing it deliberately. That way you can be more likely to have a lucky attempt at the right time and you won't miss the month having a false positive on your OPK.

The Jonas method is nonsense. It does not work. The method came to Jonas in a dream and it is based on magic and mysticism. I know several people who ordered the calendar and had sex on the right days and a) did not get pregnant for long periods of time because the days were impossible for them to conceive on and b) got opposites when they did finally conceive.

[Biene2019]

Thank you Atomic. And if that doesn't just work every 3 days?

Another question, you read a lot on the Internet that just one attempt in the fertile window is not enough to get pregnant, is that correct?

What do you think is the higher chance of getting pregnant if you have sex at the first or second positive OPK from Clearblue?

How do you see the chances of getting pregnant after ovulation for a girl? (There is this woman from New Zealand with the 6 boys).

[atomic sagebrush]

There is no every 3 days. There is only every 4 days done either in the "every 72 hour" pattern or the "every 96 hour" pattern (not those hours, but that is how you count the days). For a better chance of conception, do the every 4 days in the every 72 hour pattern. For possibly better chance of pink (tho we are getting good results with the 72 hour pattern) go to every 96 hours. Again, NOT those hours, but that is how you count the DAYS. Any time that day is fine. I know it is confusing but that is the least confusing way we can explain it.

No, it is not correct. If you couldn't get pregnant that way, I would not tell you to do it! Men make enough sperm in one batch of semen to impregnate every woman who has ever visited this site! One attempt is more than enough to get pregnant with. But over time we will add in another attempt, for those who actually don't get pregnant with one attempt.

First positive OPK. That is why I recommend that. Second positive OPK may be O Day for many people, which is proven in studies to be worse chance of conception than O-1 and 2.

The chances of getting pregnant after ovulation are very slim. O+12 is my least favorite sway technique. It is impossible to do because it is based on lies about how ovulation symptoms work (meaning that many of the people who get pregnant with the method had a totally different timing than they think) and it is believed that most eggs live only 8-12 hours and NOT 24 hours as the people who believe in O+12 claim. The study of O+12 only had 33 people in it, and only TWO got pregnant with the desired timing. And Kynzi, the lady who claims it worked for her, did not have any way to know when she ovulated other than guessing. All nonsense and it is nonsense that has caused a lot of people misery and ending up at a fertility clinic - in some cases with no baby at all because of the years they wasted on the terrible O+12. I have the full scientific case against O+12 here:
https://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/35539-no-12-a.html

[Biene2019]

So just for the correct understanding:

I tried this cycle to have intercourse every 96 hours. Then in the next cycle you would try every 72 hours, correct?

To have a higher chance for Rosa you should have traffic every 96 hours and not every 72 hours correctly?

Hope I got you right. I keep trying and hope it works out soon, THANK YOU!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, that is what we think. Though we have gotten very good results with 72 hours, 96 is more certain to be one attempt. We do NOT have statistics that prove 96 hours is better, it is just what we guess to be true. So since every 72 hours has gotten good results, it is not a bad thing to try with that pattern either. Your choice.

[Biene2019]

All right, Atomic, thanks for your help.

If I try again on ovulation day, how many days would you abstain for good results (pink sway)?

I know you have no statistics, but what are your successes with?

I just wanted to tell you that the change in diet is great, I have a lot less pain during my period and less blood. Thank you! :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're doing the e4d you would not have another attempt, you'd just have the e4d attempts. I would want to see you do a month or two trying with e4d before we added another attempt.

Most people do the e4d in the 72 hour pattern. But I still believe 96 hours apart is better to start with, it's just that most people have had many months of trying so they go right to 72 hours.

Great!! We do see a lot of changes in cycles with the diet!

[Biene2019]

All right, I'm just wondering whether it is better to try 1 attempt in the fertile window with "emptying outside" every 3 days or
as they say every 96 hours (with sex). I am wondering this because of the number of sperm count. Don't you think that every 96 hours there is too high a sperm count and fluctuates blue?
Wouldn't it be better to try 1 attempt in the fertile window with "emptying outside" every 72 hours? I hope I express myself correctly :-) I just still haven't fully understood this, please excuse me.


Yes, it's been funny since I've been eating less meat = less bleeding = less egg deficiency just great!


Another question, I was given a ton of peppermint syrup, should I go without this? I love syrup but maybe better another?

[atomic sagebrush]

It is up to you. There is no difference between emptying outside and emptying inside, though, because the sperm can't survive 96 or even 72 hours inside.

The abstain and the FR didn't work. So apparently it is not making too high a sperm count, because lowering the sperm count isn't helping anyway.

2-3 times a week peppermint is ok. I would not have it more than that.

[Biene2019]

I read in many forums on your website that the sperm quality is best every 2 days.

If I want to get pregnant quickly, wouldn't it be best to have my husband void every 2 days and then try on the day of positive OPK?
Or is your experience that the chance is higher every 4 days?

I bet a lot on my next ovulation and want to do it as well as possible :-)

I'm a little confused now because so many forums say something else.

I am so glad to have you by my side, it makes a lot of people easy, thank you Atomic!

[atomic sagebrush]

Sperm quality is best every 2-4 days. Not every 2 days. There is no difference between every 2 or 3 or 4 days. That frequency makes a lot of healthy sperm.

The problem with having one attempt is that you may have the one attempt at the wrong time! People make a lot of mistakes - they miss early ovulation, and late ovulation, they think they ovulated when they did not, and so on, and the every 4 days lets you still be in with an attempt even if those things happen. It is actually MUCH better chance of conception than one attempt. Plus, while on average the day of positive OPK is a good time to conceive, it isn't always for everyone and so the e4d allows you to have an attempt on a different day, if for you personally the day of positive OPK isn't a good day to conceive.

All the other forums base their recommendations on 50 year old or even older science that has been completely debunked using modern technology. Most of us on here got at least one opposite doing things that way. I know it's confusing but we are trying to IMPROVE chances with swaying, and that means stopping tactics that do nothing but cut chances of conception, or in some cases even sway blue!

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

I will follow your instructions and do so with timing!

One more question, can you have a quick look whether I am doing the LE diet correctly?

- skip breakfast regularly, but drink coffee with little milk in the morning (2 pieces)
- At lunchtime I eat pasta, rice, salad with a salad dressing and sometimes vegetables, and sometimes chicken
- Afternoon coffee with little milk now and then fruit
- In the evening I choose between bread with cheese and milk or fried eggs and milk or pasta / rice with vegetables
- Sparkling wine and wine every day
- 1 diet cola and some milk daily
- I always drink syrup with mineral water for lunch
- in between by always mineral water or diet coke

Can I do something better?

If so, can you send me the link where I can buy the diet plan?

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't comment on anyone's diet without knowing their totals for protein, fat, and calories. It is possible to be eating too much or not enough based on serving size, even if you're eating the right kinds of foods.

All the plans and stuff are here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/payments.php

[Biene2019]

which package do you recommend me if it works quickly?

[atomic sagebrush]

It is all about what you think you'll benefit from the most. The only differences between the packages is the amount of "stuff" that comes with them. If you only want the diet book (which is not personalized but useful for everyone) you'd just get that, or if you wanted a personalized plan you'd get that, and then there's also an option with diet and personalized plan, and then one that has everything we offer all together. Whichever you think would best meet your needs!

[Biene2019]

All right, I bought the instant plan where can I download it?

[Biene2019]

With my purchase, is there a way to get a list where I can easily find groceries and tips? Where can I download it? My purchase is shown in my profile but I cannot find a download. Thanks for your help.

[atomic sagebrush]

All right, I bought the instant plan where can I download it?

Did you get an email message? Check your spam folder!

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh wait was it the diet plan?? It's here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/21-day-meal-plan-for-le-diet/ Sorry it's been a long day :p

[Biene2019]

Unfortunately I can't find anything in your link, it just says that nothing is available ????
Can you send me the Plan per E-Mail? Or what should i do?

I received the same link in Spam but no download?

[atomic sagebrush]

I'll message tech support, but if you got it via your email it is supposed to be automated. I would check again with a different browser to see if that works.

[Biene2019]

it always just says:

There are no posts in this forum.


sorry i can't find anything else

[Biene2019]

Hello Atomic

Thanks for the plan, I feel very good with the diet and the cycle is super regular.

A question, a friend recommended the "Prefert Vaginalgel" to me. This is inserted into the vagina before intercourse, can you recommend this for pink?

[atomic sagebrush]

No, that would sway blue because it is a sperm safe, conception friendly jelly.

[Biene2019]

Hello Atomic

I had a smiley face on the "pink clearblue" yesterday morning. My other Clearblue monitor was still showing HIGH. In the evening it had two fat stripes on both clear blue stripes (pink and monitor) and I had my "try".

Today morning both stripes were fat and again a smiley (pink) and a MAX (monitor). Now my question, could it have been enough or would you try again?

My ovulation has been postponed this month due to the swaying, it's so hard to get the moment right. Do you have any other tip regarding Ovus? Frequencies I have dropped everything, I really want to receive quickly.

Well, since everything had shifted my husband had released 24 hours before the attempt, is this bad for the sperm, are there in any case too few?

Sorry for the many questions, I'm a bit confused because I was so fixated on trying and everything has shifted.

[atomic sagebrush]

One release 24 hours before does not deplete sperm numbers. It takes 7-10 days of back to back release to deplete sperm numbers (and really even then for many men it's completely ineffective)

If you want better chance of conception, have another attempt. If you want better chance of pink, stick with the attempt you've had.

[Biene2019]

all right, I'll keep trying with one try.

would you rather attempt the LH peak or the cervical mucus peak?

[atomic sagebrush]

The LH peak. Cervical mucus is useless for us because it can change so dramatically during swaying.

[Biene2019]

all right, I'll try to have my try at LH Peak. Thank you for everything!

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

Unfortunately it didn't work this cycle, I now try every 3 days.

But my husband did not abstain between the 4 days, could it be that the amount was too small for 1 attempt? (he had published daily)

I wanted to ask you in general what you think of it:

It is always said everywhere you should let go of the desire to have children etc. Do you think that the psyche really plays a big role in getting pregnant or not?

I am dejected every month that it doesn't work out. I'm afraid it won't work as long as I can't let go of the desire for a little girl.

Anyway, if every 3 days doesn't work either, do you have another tip? I don't want to add multiple attempts as long as possible!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I'd drop having the releases between attempts. Just have him do the every 4 days and not release between.

Wanting a baby does not prevent you from getting pregnant. That is just something people say when they don't know what else to say to people. It's almost like people want to find something to blame the woman for no matter what, so when she does not get pregnant they say "you must have wanted it too much."

The first thing we need to do is give the e4d in the 72 hour pattern WITHOUT having your husband release between times a try. (there IS NO every 3 days. ONLY every 4 days in either the 72 or 96 hour pattern. Saying "every 3 days" only confuses people)

I would try for at least 2 months that way. Then we can talk about adding in another attempt if you want to, or you can try that way forever if you want. You WILL get pregnant eventually.

[Biene2019]

Oh, maybe that was the mistake. My husband always published a sample in between 96 hours.
would you try again in the 96h or 72h pattern? (this time without my husband's publication). what was more successful?

thanks for your courage Atomic, so I'll keep trying. you just can't turn it off if you want to!

[atomic sagebrush]

72 hours. We've had good results with 72 hours and it's much higher chance of conception.

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

One more quick question. I now try every 3 days as I said.

One thing still interests me. Does it matter whether the only attempt is on the 1st MAX day or 2nd MAX day? So specifically, is the chance of pink on both days the same?
(slow or fast sperm, although the theory has been refuted).

[atomic sagebrush]

Do you mean every 72 hours??

Saying "every three days" is too confusing. That's why we only say "every four days" and then specify that as in the 72 hour pattern or 96 hour pattern, because otherwise people mean different things by the number of days and it gets confusing.

Timing doesn't sway, it doesn't work at all, so it would make no difference when your attempt was. Now, it can matter for odds of conception.

When you say "max" do you mean "high" or "peak"? I haven't heard anyone call it "max" before and I want to be sure what you mean exactly.

There is no slow/fast sperm, just as you say it's been debunked.

[Biene2019]

Yes, I mean every 72 hours, I never try before 72 hours :-)

On my Clearblue Ferility Monitor it mostly shows "3 days HIGH" and then "2 days MAX". Do you know what I mean?

Now my question was on which of the two MAX days the probability of pink is higher. The monitor says that from the "1st MAX", ovulation occurs within 48 hours. I think I mean "great" by MAX.

All right, I still have the Shettles theory in the back of my head and I'm scared the closer to ovulation the more likely blue is but I try to push these thoughts aside and be brave :-)

and does it matter whether my husband abstains for 3 days or 4 days with the attempt at "MAX / SPITZE" because of the sperm volume? Then does this still sway pink?

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks! That's exactly the explanation I needed.

What we call "peak" is what you're referring to as "max." So I would have attempt the day of the first "max" unless you want to keep going with Shettles. If you do want Shettles, then you can have attempt on the day of the second "high" reading.

We have not found any of the patterns of abstaining or releasing to really matter for swaying. If your husband abstains for 3 or 4 days that's fine.

[Biene2019]

what do you think of that?

"Until 12 o'clock after ovulation it is more likely to be a girl again. Since the skin of the egg is thicker and the male sperm do not have enough strength to come through it."

[atomic sagebrush]

It's complete nonsense.

[Biene2019]

all right thanks Atomic for replying over and over again.

My ovulation has moved back firmly, which is hopefully a good sign. I now have every 3 days and tomorrow is my "2nd Peak, 2nd MAX" and I'll give it another try.

It makes me very nervous, because you read in so many forums that many women who had sexual intercourse at ovulation resulted in a boy. The Shettles also says yes (abstinence with an attempt at the Peak gives boy).

I'm trying to be brave, keep your fingers crossed for me and thank you again :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

Shettles has been as debunked as it is possible for something in science to be debunked. We know Dr. Shettles was wrong, we know how and why he was wrong, and scientists have proven beyond a doubt that his claims of X and Y sperm were absolutely incorrect.

All those people on websites who say they ovualted on a certain day - they have no idea. They're doing exactly like you're doing...wondering how their OPK is working, wondering if they'll ovulate on the second Max day or the first, when to have attempt, etc. It just does not work. When scientists actually accurately pinpointed ovulation they found 50-50 boys and girls conceived every cycle day.

[Biene2019]

hello atomic

unfortunately it didn't work out this month. I dropped every 3 days and all other patterns. My ovulation has postponed a lot and I already have some red mucus 5 days before my period. The temperature is also not really high in the second half of the cycle and it lasted 15 days.

Now my question would be, do you have any advice on how I can positively influence the second half of the cycle? Or should I just let it be? I have already added a small morning meal to my 2 other meals because I lost too much weight (am already quite thin :-))

I think I ovulated but have a little trouble in the second half of the cycle. Maybe you can give me a tip. Thanks. I was hoping I don't have to bother you anymore, sorry :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

What do you mean you have dropped all other patterns?

As long as the temp is high enough to indicate ovualtion that is all that matters. The spotting beforehand is likely because you are not eating enough fat.

If you have lost too much weight you need to eat more. I want to see you eating a serving of full fat dairy every day, 4-6 eggs a week, and a serving of salmon or red meat every week. Stop weight loss totally. What is your BMI?

[Biene2019]

I mean "hot baths, shettles etc". we try every 3 days.

I have a BMI of 18.2 to 18.4 depending on the situation. could that be too deep?

I will do this, thank you very much for your advice with the food! is there anything else I can take to optimize it?

[atomic sagebrush]

yes, that BMI is below my cutoff of 18-5. I would not lose any more weight and add in those sources of fat as I described to be sure you're getting enough.

[Biene2019]

all right, gonna add your food tips. I did not lose weight consciously, nor am I very hungry - it just happened that way.

my skin has deteriorated, isn't that a bad sign about testosterone? that would fluctuate strongly blue?

[atomic sagebrush]

You can't tell what your testosterone is doing from your skin. There are many reasons why you have breakouts and testosterone is actually not even one of the main ones.

Tell me what you're eating on an average day and I'll tell you what to tweak.

[Biene2019]

2 coffees in the morning with a little milk and coconut water.

Always different at lunchtime: a large portion of noodles / rice / pasta with a little sauce, some vegetables or salad and sometimes some chicken and some chocolate for dessert.

A coffee with little milk in the afternoon, then in the evening mostly rice with cream cheese or bread with butter and honey, a little cheese or cream cheese and some wine.

now and then a kiwi or apple for dinner (I always forget fruits :-))

At the weekend I usually eat brunch (braid and butter milk etc and in the evening pizza or raclette, or risotto or some meat with side dishes)

have now added a glass of whole milk and the eggs. Can I improve something?

Another question for me is adding cardio to stressful because of the time. but am always on my feet all day and often go for a walk can i leave it that way?

[atomic sagebrush]

do you have totals for fat, protein, and calories?

For people who are really on their feet at work all day we waive the exercise.

[Biene2019]

I tried to control it for a few weeks with an app and try to follow your recommendations on protein and fat. I'm also trying to get at least 1500 calories a day. Are the foods I eat (as listed in the previous post) basically ok? I'll see that I eat more of these foods and my BMI goes up again. Thank you dear Atomic.

[atomic sagebrush]

The foods are fine but it is irrelevant because the amount you are eating controls the protein, fat, and calories. Take an average day and add it up and then I can tell you if it's ok.

[Biene2019]

thanks atomic i will use my app to check that i get enough nutrients and that i can adhere to their quantities, this is probably the easiest.

Since the LE diet I have had increased pain around the time of ovulation. I never had that before, not even with my son. I've read that these pains are swaying blue. am I doing something wrong?

my doctor predicted ovulation on the left for this month, does this mean anything?

another question. can i drink the coffee in the morning if only 12 o'clock have passed since the last meal or is it best not to drink coffee until noon because of the blood sugar?

[atomic sagebrush]

Ovulation pains do not predict gender. Whenever we change our hormones we see changes in our symptoms. So if you never had O pain and got boys it may be a good sign to start having them when swaying. Or it may mean nothing. Many of us get worse O pains as we get older.

Some people say that Oing from the left is more pink friendly.

You can drink coffee whenever you want as long as it doesn't have any sugar in it.

[Biene2019]

great thanks atomic.

my ovulation has shifted backwards again. my doctor told me today that my ovulation is on Friday / Saturday (follicle is 22mm today)

my husband is celibate for the third day today. tomorrow it would be 4 days of abstinence, we will make our attempt. I hope so much that the 4 days of instinence don't fluctuate blue. can you give me some courage and answer quickly, are the 4 days still ok?

i am so grateful to you for everything. I know if it should be a boy again I did my best and then nature decided :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, 4 days abstain is fine. Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

I'm so sorry to bother you again. Today I went to check whether I was ovulating. The follicle is at 29mm and the doctor says ovulation should be triggered. I was totally overwhelmed and first said no.

The uterine lining is great.

I'm sorry, I'm a little desperate and that's why I'm writing to you because you always answer so nicely. Maybe you can help me My gynecologist did nothing about me and did not explain anything to me. I'm really sad :(

How can this happen? Can I check this cycle off? What can I do better that the egg will jump?

My ovulation would have been left this month, will it be right next month and this sways blue?

Thanks for your patience Atomic

[atomic sagebrush]

Did you do the trigger shot?? If not, do.

I'm not sure why you are overwhelmed and saying no? It's ok to do the trigger, it doesn't hurt anything.

The egg can still ovulate on its own but it would be better to do trigger and be sure of it.

Ovulation does not alternate sides. that has been totally debunked. There is every chance you will O from the left again, or it could be the right but that doesn't mean you would have a boy.

[Biene2019]

I said no :(

aren't these hormones that I get injected? isn't that harmful? carcinogenic or something else? I assume that the egg did not crack because of the swaying. or I hope it has no bad causes. I'm only 32 years old. I am a somewhat scared person and always fear the worst.

can an egg with 29mm still jump naturally?

would you dare to try again? (last attempt 2.5 days ago)

So then you would do the injection in the next cycle (if it doesn't jump again)?

[atomic sagebrush]

Millions of women do those shots. They are approved by the FDA as safe. It's just the hormone your body makes naturally. The only way those shots are harmful are those people who use the hormone for weight loss when they are being injected with them for months on end. A single trigger shot is not harmful.

No, the egg did not fail to be ovulated because you were swaying. We have had thousands of people on here swaying and they did not have that problem.

There are a few reasons why your body might hang onto an egg. The biggest one is taking ibuprofen or aspirin around ovulation. If you are taking either of these things I would not take them around ovulation next time.

While it is still possible the egg will release on its own the trigger would have guaranteed it.

[Biene2019]

I didn't use any aspirin, ibuprofen, no nutritional supplements or anything. that's why i was so surprised that the egg didn't crack. Just like my doctor, because I have a fairly regular cycle with normal periods. And as I said, the uterine mucus is also wonderfully built up. I just wonder why this can be. but you will probably not know that either :-) If you have a tip I would be grateful.

I feel very, very good and healthy that's why I don't think it's my BMI or anything else if I'm honest. The Clearblue showed 5 days high and 2 days MAX that was irritating but otherwise everything was normal.

I am glad that you say that, because I always know when you say something that you have researched and that gives me courage again, thanks Atomic !!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

It's probably just one of those things that happens. I would definitely have an attempt if you haven't already to be sure you are in with an attempt if the egg does pop soon.

[Biene2019]

Thanks again for your support Atomic they are just great.

You always say you should keep your estrogen low (with the diet) and testosterone (make yourself less fertile). But I've read that if the estrogen is too low, then testosterone takes over. But that would be counterproductive to fluctuate pink? Am I making a mistake in reasoning?

I only ask stupidly because it makes sense for me (blemished skin since dieting, failure to ovulate despite regular periods).

My question, would you do something different about the diet or continue like this and just make sure that I adhere to the quantities specified (protein, fat and carbohydrates)?

Or would you recommend something else?

Do I still have a chance to sway pink? Or am I a person with too much testosterone and can I put up with it right away? :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

I seriously doubt you have high testosterone. I very much suspect the opposite problem is true, you have cut back too far and have low estrogen because of that (and in that case your testosterone is also going to be very low). That is why you are not ovulating regularly.

There are many reasons hormonally why you get blemishes. It is far more likely your skin issues are caused by other effects of the diet and nothing to do with testosterone.

The ONLY time you can have high testosterone driving estrogen down is in moderate to severe cases of PCOS. I think you have a different problem in that you weren't eating enough. (I do not know if you did not release the egg this month because of that. I doubt it because I have not ever seen this happen before, even in people dieting quite strictly.)

I want you to just do as I tell you without doing any additional research. The truth is, no one knows why swaying works. There are many theories, but we don't know which ones are true. So people end up getting worried about theories instead of just mimicking what has worked for people.

Please just continue doing diet being sure you are eating IN the limits and not beneath them. Even if you wanted to eat upper limits that would be good.

[Biene2019]

great thanks Atomic that makes sense and i will do it.

if ovulation is triggered with the injection during the next cycle, does the rule "only one attempt" apply?

and is the chance for pink with the trigger syringe lower or does that not matter?

sorry for the many questions !!!

[atomic sagebrush]

If you want best odds of pink, yes, you would have one attempt at trigger.

The trigger shot does not seem to sway at all either way.

[Biene2019]

Thank you so much!!!

[Biene2019]

Hello Atomic

I think my egg still jumped, the tempos has been up for 2 days. I have no hope that a pregnancy with a follicle of 29mm has occurred. My FA doesn't know why that can be either, I just wanted to tell you :-)

May I ask you something again that has been on my mind for a long time?

I've already asked you whether it's true that there are more girls in the left ovary and more boys in the right. I don't really believe in RAMZI or in "guessing the pictures". But what do I think that RAMZI (ONLY if you really read the picture correctly) already has something true? You read in so many forums that girls have the placenta on the left and boys on the right.

What do you think about that? Have you seen things like this in your experience that there are more girls or more boys on the left?
Do you believe more in the one attempt or this theory?

I agreed with my gynecologist that we would ovulate in the next month. And I already know that when I see that the egg is jumping on the right side I will worry so much again. (I urgently need to reduce my control freakiness :-))

Sorry for always asking you so many questions. It's just that this will be our last child and I just think so much and just want to try everything that is possible :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

You will not necessarily see the egg come from the right. The egg does NOT alternate sides, that has been completely debunked.

Not enough research has been done into side of ovulation and gender. I can't answer your question. What I do know is that Dr. Ramzi has never published his research for other scientists to review it, which means it is almost certainly false. Honest scientists publish their research. Dishonest ones don't. I have seen Dr. Ramzi himself guess wrongly on ultrasounds.

I believe far more in the one attempt than side of ovulation (which I do not believe at all, at least that it is in any way a guarantee).

[Biene2019]

sorry i didn't mean that the egg will change sides. I only mean when the gynecologist tells me that my ovulation will be from the right side.

then would you dare to try it if ovulation is coming from the right side?

I must be brave! THANKS!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, we have seen plenty of girls conceived from right side ovulation. I would still try. I do not recommend waiting around for a particular side of ovulation.

[Biene2019]

dear Atomic

me again, sorry .......

This month my cycle will be monitored again (it didn't work last month).
My gynecologist said what is noticeable is that I have one large dominant follicle but also many small follicles. he said there could be several male hormones involved. that would be pcos? (I have a regular cycle).

i'm so sad, can i forget my girl's dream? can you give me any advice on what i can do to increase the chances?

my ovulation is coming from the right side this month. my doctor says, wait and see ... I'm really a little desperate :(

should i try again or should i wait or change something about my diet first? or any other tip?

Thanks so much for your fast answer (my ovulation will be in 1-2 days (doctor says)

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, I'm not sure exactly what they said. But it is NORMAL to have one dominant follicle and many small follicles. That is what everyone's ovaries are meant to do.

Now, obviously your doctor is knowledgeable and they are seeing something unusual there. In people with PCOS, those follicles have an unusual look to them, called "string of pearls". So I'm assuming that is what they saw.

The good news is we have great results with PCOSers. Are you already on the alternate diet (whole grains, full fat dairy only, limited sugar, and slightly more protein and fat than the standard Low Everything Diet)??

Changing your diet now is not going to do anything but we could get a jump for next month if you don't get pregnant this month.

[Biene2019]

Yes it will be, he said something was noticeable. He said we'll look at each other again this month.

I have been on the normal LE diet so far and have also eaten a lot of white carbohydrates to maintain my weight (white pasta, rice, etc.).

What is the other diet like? Do I have to buy them separately? I only bought the LE diet?

Would you still give it a try this month or would you prefer to wait until the next?

And what do you mean by great results? I thought people with PCOS have almost only one chance of pink when they take clomiphene?

[atomic sagebrush]

The alternate diet is much like the standard LE Diet. You just need to switch from those white grains to whole wheat, eat full fat dairy only, no skim, and limit sugar or avoid it totally. Get your carbs from whole grains, fruit, and veg, not white grains and sugar.

Then while keeping the calories the same, increase protein and fat to 50-60 g. Everything else stays just the same and you can use a lot of the recipes and food suggestions, just using whole grains instead.

The alternate diet I am describing has great results even without Clomid. You do not need Clomid to sway with or without PCOS.

CAN you wait a month?? it's your choice to make, but if it's possible to skip a month and change diet it can't hurt.

[Biene2019]

Of course I can wait a month. What would it be if it really showed success? Thank you! Then you wouldn't try at all this month, right? And can a month of diet change be enough? Would you keep doing just ONE attempt in the next cycle or adding one?
Would you take any additional funds?

All right, that's how I do it, do I have to be careful with the fruits because they also have a lot of fructose? And I'm still allowed to consume carbohydrates (maintain weight) just from dark grains, right?

Thank you so much Atomic.

[atomic sagebrush]

Can you clarify what you mean when you ask "what would it be if it really showed success?"

It's your call to make, but if you have PCOS tendencies your best bet will be on the alternate diet for at least 6 weeks before. (and best results would be 12 weeks) but you need to be careful because dieting too long can disrupt your cycle as well.

I don't need any more money, just roll with what we're doing here! I appreciate what you already bought!

Only people with severe PCOS have to worry about the fruit. Most people can have it freely within the calorie limits. Yes you MUST still have carbohydrates. Just have the 50-60 g protein and fat, and then the balance you eat will be from carbs.

[Biene2019]

hello atomic. a lot has happened with us. After repeated observation of my cycle, my doctor said that everything was normal for me. unfortunately my husband's spermiogram is pretty bad. we are now allowed to do an insemination (IUI).

I wanted to ask you, is it that there are a lot more boys? do I still have a chance on a girl and would you continue the diet?

Thanks so much for all.

[atomic sagebrush]

You absolutely have a chance of a girl still. Just keep going on the diet as long as your cycle is normal (which it seems to be.)

How bad is "pretty bad"?

[Biene2019]

many thanks. My doctor even said that I don't even have to stimulate because everything looks so good.

"pretty bad" means:

It only has about 30-40% live sperm but very few percentages with "not deformed" and mainly slow sperm, understand what I mean? My doctor said in any case that the spermiogram was a "free ticket" for the health insurance company - that means we get the insemination 3 times for free :( I hope we still have a chance at all, I was completely shocked because I always thought it was definitely not on my husband (we already have a son)

Do you have any other tips for me or my husband? I will definitely continue to diet THANK YOU!

[atomic sagebrush]

That's not too bad. The % of "not deformed" sperm is very often low and it can be slow too, but still end in pregnancy!

Is he taking anything in terms of supplements or medication?

[Biene2019]

at the moment the percentage was at 0% :(

the doctor said but this can vary because we already have a child and it is always a snapshot or he could repeat the spermiogram. Can you recommend something for my husband? He's not taking anything so far.

The insemination will only be in about 2 months. would you keep doing '1 try' or adding anything until then? if so we would you do it?

thanks for your help Atomic!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that can be misleading.

I would definitely have you guys doing e4d from now on (in the 72 hour pattern) from now till then. Start this after your period ends and continue all month long till you're sure you have ovulated.

[Biene2019]

We have already tried that (72 hour pattern), but would you continue like this?
A stupid question, can an insemination be compared to "an attempt" or not at all?

can you recommend anything else for my husband?

I thank you for everything :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, as I think we talked about already you have the option to add in another attempt at positive OPK while still continuing on with the e4d. So you'd end up with 2 attempts in th fertile window instead of one.

yes, the insemination is an attempt.

I would give him a men's multivitamin like One a Day over 50 or Centrum Over 50 (even if he is not 50) and 500 mg arginine, 1000 mg carnitine. Plus 200 mg coq10 in ubiquinol form.

[Biene2019]

Perfect, thank you so so much!!!

[Biene2019]

Hello Atomic

The first insemination will start next month.

My doctor spoke of "letrozole". Do you know that and sway pink too? or does it just fluctuate clomiphene?
My Cycle is very normal anf good.
would you also do the insemination if ovulation comes from the right? (sorry, Ramzi won't let me rest :-))

ah and can it still be pink if an insemination takes place without hormone therapy?

Thank you Atomic for your answer.

[BunnyGirl19]

Letrozole sways pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

Letrozole sways pink at least as much as Clomid. One study showed it was possibly a bit better.

You MUST do the insemination if you have taken the medication. You can only take the medication a limited number of times and you should not throw away months on medication for no reason. Ramzi does not work. He has never put his studies out there for independent review (which is a sure sign of a charlatan) and I have seen several people send him money to guess their ultrasounds and he guessed WRONG. I would never ever skip a month on letrozole, shown in scientific studies to sway pink, for something with no proven scientific support whatsoever.

What do you mean by hormone therapy?

[Biene2019]

So my doctor thinks that if my hormones are okay (this week comes off), you will do an insemination without medication (Clomid etc ...). then my question was whether an insemination without medication could also fluctuate pink?

[atomic sagebrush]

We have reason to believe that IUI without the hormonal medication might be more blue friendly. This is likely because all the sperm is washed and deposited in one big batch closer to the egg than it normally is.

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

I'll get back to you, not yet pregnant ;-)

So all hormone tests were done with me, on the 5th day of the cycle there was always a relatively large number of follicles, but the doctors said it was not a PCO because only 1 criterion was met (several follicles). The rest seems normal.

Unfortunately, things are not looking good for my husband. We have the first insemination behind us and the doctors gave us little hope because the amount of sperm and the quality are poor (0.3 million of the necessary 3-5 million).

I don't even care if it's blue or pink, the main thing is that my son has a sibling. If possible, I don't want to take any medication because the family has bad breast cancer. I am just afraid that the medication could benefit something. That means, if possible, I would like to avoid artificial insemination. (IVF, ICSI)

So I'll get in touch again. Can you give my husband some tips? He received "Proxeed" from the urologist, is that useful? Otherwise everything is fine with my husband. The testosterone was once very, very low at noon. At the 2nd measurement in the morning completely normal. What else can that be due to - the very bad semen analysis?

Thank you dear Atomic.

[atomic sagebrush]

Even if you only have one marker of PCO you can still benefit from our PCOS-type diet. https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html?highlight=swaying+PCOS

The medication likely could improve your chances of conception but if you don't feel comfortable taking it, then don't. The important thing is to see your husband's numbers improve. DO NOT take any fertility medication till his sperm counts have improved.

Proxeed is fine but he can all but certainly get the same ingredients separately for a much lower price. Most important is the arginine (500) and carnitine (1000). He can additionally take lycopene (or drink tomato juice every day without fail) and pycogenol.

Testosterone levels do rise and fall. It's not that unusual to see that happen. The bad semen analysis did not cause the low T, the low T likely caused the bad semen analysis. But the good news is, male fertility can improve over time and has ups and downs, so it is entirely possible it will improve and also that you can get pregnant without further intervention. He did get you pregnant once, so it's likely he has the capability, we just need to be sure he's doing his best to improve his fertility. No jogging/biking, no hot baths, no tight underwear, taking the supplements. Also have him "clean the pipes" every 2-4 days to be sure he's making max amounts of healthy sperm.

[Biene2019]

Great thanks Atomic. I received an HCG injection for insemination for the first time last month and ovulated on day 8 of this cycle. I've never had that, never, how is something like that possible? Suddenly I am worried about myself again :( Will I go through menopause at the age of 32? The anti-Müllerian hormone is ok, but I believe in the lower limits - said the doctor.

Ah yes, several follicles can always be seen in the ultrasound. Can't that come from the diet? i eat mean more carbohydrates than before. Not really, right?

Regarding my husband, for insemination, would it be better to abstain from insemination because of the bad semen and the small amount, or would you abstain for 2-4 days? (so my husband :-))

[atomic sagebrush]

Hmm. How did they determine ovulation? When did you take the Letrozole (or did you)?

It is so unlikely you are going through an early menopause that it isn't even worth mentioning. Much more likely is that they screwed something up and gave you the shot at a point in time you could not possibly be ovulating. Or, it may have been just a fluke month. Rarely people do ovulate very early though CD 8 is SOOOO early that it makes me think it is some sort of a mistake.

Or do you mean you got the SHOT CD 8? That makes more sense.

Abstaining from sex longer than 2-4 days does NOT help "save up" the sperm. It only makes sperm die off and more bad sperm in the mix. When your husband is doing regular release every 2-4 days, his body gets the message to make nice batches of sperm regularly. Please have him release every 2-4 days.

EVERYONE has several follicles. The ovaries develop 15-30 eggs per side every month, and only the best one or two is ovulated. That is normal. When you have PCO-tendencies those follicles take on an unusual appearance, like a string of pearls that often form around the outside of the ovary instead of just at random. More of them also get closer to ovulation than normal follicles do (in a non-PCO ovary you will only develop 1-3 eggs to the fullest extent, the others will stop developing sooner)

No, you are not giving yourself PCO-tendencies from the LE Diet. Unless you were eating a very low carb diet, the odds are very high you are not eating more carbs than before, and you are not eating an unhealthy level of carbs regardless (certainly not enough to aggravate PCO tendencies unless they were there to begin with). Your carbs may be somewhat higher of a % than they once were because you're eating less protein and fat, but because you are also restricting calories, most people end up eating fewer carbs on LE Diet.

To illustrate, the American FDA recommends people eat about 300 grams of carbs a day on a 2000 calorie diet and most people eat more than that (both in terms of calories and in grams of carbs). It is not unusual for some of us to eat 350 or even 400+ grams of carbs per day, just in a normal everyday diet, by eating more like 2500 calories a day and/or not eating a low carb diet.

On LE Diet, we are eating fewer calories, and a set amount of protein and fat so this effectively limits carbs without having to even think about it.

This comes out to be:

On standard LE Diet, 1500-1800 cals (I'm going to pick 1650 as an average caloric intake), 40-50 g protein (160-200 cals from protein), 30-60 g fat (270-540 cals fat), meaning you will be getting 430-740 calories from protein and fat daily, leaving you eating somewhere between 225-300. So even on the higher end of LE Diet, this is not only a normal carb intake, less than a very large number of people are already eating, but it's what is being recommended as healthy by several government organizations!

For the PCOS-type LE Diet, it's even fewer carbs: 1500-1800 cals a day (and we'll pick 1650 as our average here) 50-60 g protein and fat (200-240 cals from protein, 450-540 cals from fat). This ends up to be 215-250 g carbs. Less than government organizations are recommending and MUCH less than many people are eating.

[Biene2019]

I have not taken any medication.

For explanation:

I had 3 cycle monitoring sessions at my gynecologist and I always found ovulation (day 11-12, egg always between 24-27mm).

For the first insemination, I was given the syringe on day 9 because my egg was already 19mm in size (day 9). The Insemination was day 11). Then I had my period on time (but the first time only for a period of 3-4 days), otherwise it was always longer.

For the second insemination, I was supposed to come back on day 8 for the next injection and then my doctor found that there was no egg and liquid was to be seen. I had phlegm early on and the temperature went up too. How is it even possible to have eggs that big so early in the cycle :-)? What could have gone wrong? I am now just worried that my eggs no longer have good qualities :(

I will get the certainty that ovulation really happened when I have the next period, it was just very strange, otherwise everything was always on time at day 11-12. Can something be due to the HCG syringe? (only medication I got)


I don't think it's diet either. The only thing left to say is that I am struggling to keep my BMI up (it is under 18, but I eat a lot), it is a little below the limit, maybe this has an influence on the earlier ovulation?

I used to eat so much meat and had a higher BMI. Since I've been eating less meat and skipping breakfast, I've hardly gained any weight.

[atomic sagebrush]

Not even experts know why some eggs arrive so early. It may be your hormones were just strange that month, it may be that the egg itself was very sensitive to the hormones and grew faster. We don't know why. But I promise that one month does not mean you have poor egg quality.

Didn't you have some testing done and all was normal? If you had bad egg quality they would have seen it then. Your age does not indicate egg quality issues anyway.

You need to fix your diet immediately whether or not this has anything to do with diet (usually we'll see later ovulation from diet, not earlier). You are not just "a little" below the limit. 18.5 is not the limit, it is the "do not go below this weight under any circumstances". BMI 21 is the limit, and you are well underneath this. The reason I set those numbers where they are is that the vast majority of people will see disruptions in the cycle below those BMI numbers.

Meat is not a good way to gain weight or keep weight on. You need more calories and fat, and meat really doesn't have much of those things. I would even add in breakfast if that's what it takes to get more food in you. I would like to see you back at BMI 18 or 18.5 if at all possible. This will likely only require a couple of pounds.

[Biene2019]

All right, thank you very much dear Atomic. I really hope everything will be more normal again in the next cycle.

I just thought it was funny that my balls always get so big, or that the quality suffers. The hormones were completely fine about 2 months ago, except as I said, the AMH is a bit low but in the range.

Sorry Atomic, I got my BMI 18.6 wrong :-) I'm trying hard to get to 19. I am struggling to get so many calories with 2 meals (I always eat lunch and dinner) When would you add another meal?

Thank you for your time again and again! I am glad I can write here because I often have the feeling that the doctors simply don't take me seriously and that I don't listen to enough.

[atomic sagebrush]

The AMH is the important thing. All the rest of it varies. AMH that is slightly below normal is nothing to be concerned about.

Please do not underestimate the effect of your husband's sperm count on your chances of conception. I feel like you're looking for some way for this to be "your fault" but most likely it's down to the poor sperm health. The good news is sperm health is, in the majority of cases, easy to improve!

Both 2 and 3 meals are fine and allowed on LE Diet. I always had 3. You can push breakfast back by bit and still fit in 3 meals, I promise. Have the third meal whenever it works for you. There is no evidence that a set time is better for your eating.

[Biene2019]

dear Atomic. unfortunately 3 inseminations were unsuccessful with us. but I would like to thank you, the sperm count (which was inseminated) has risen from 40,000 to 2.9 million WOWOWOWW THANK YOU Atomic (tomato juice and Proxeed) we are now considering planning an IVF / ICSI, possibly also abroad. can you recommend something to me? is it like that there are more guys in IVF? can I influence something / help out for pink? we do not want to make gender selection because we want to endanger the embryo (only because of an egoistic wish). do you know what I mean?

[atomic sagebrush]

Unfortunately (because I know it's way more difficult for anyone living in Europe) you will see your best results in the US, but if you have no gender preference the Czech Republic is also a good place to go. I would avoid Cyprus if at all possible as we have not seen good results there.

Just so you know, finding out gender does not endanger the embryo. In most cases, they will test the embryo for genetic defects in a process called PGD anyway, so it is easy to tell gender based on that same test they have already done. If you had more than one embryo to choose from, putting back an XX instead of an XY is not a big deal medically speaking, or immoral in any way. There is no difference between them (either way you are putting back one and not another) and so if you put in one or the other it's really all the same.

Whether IVF produces more boys or girls depends on the techniques they use. Here is a basic overview: https://www.olivefertility.com/blog/does-ivf-affect-sex-baby But on the whole the ratio is ~around~ 50-50 still. Some people think having your husband take olive leaf extract and Vitamin C may help improve this ratio, though I am skeptical of that.

[Biene2019]

thanks for the information. I thought you don't do PGD in every case? only with previous illnesses in the family? and PGD also has a certain risk?

would you have anything to recommend in the US? we come from Switzerland.
I would like to do something in the natural cycle or very, very low dose! my clinic thinks, apart from a slightly low AMH (age 32), everything looks very good!

would you continue the diet or does it no longer affect an IVF or ICSI?

Sorry for the many questions :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

It is totally your call to make, but with male factor infertility it is usually recommended to have PGD because the ICSI process cannot weed out bad sperm. A technician cannot look at a sperm and tell if its DNA is normal. Since the sperm does not have to swim to the egg or fertilize it, and instead is injected directly into the egg by a technician, this means that unhealthy sperm (which in a natural conception would never have gotten to the egg) could be chosen at random by the technician and this may increase the chances of a genetic abnormality.

PGD may actually make the IVF experience safer because you are not implanting genetically abnormal embryos that will then have to mature and then end up as a loss in the future. Without PGD, it is entirely possible to implant a baby with a chromosomal abnormality, have to endure several weeks of pregnancy, only to find that the baby is not developing normally, or to have a loss that you were not expecting.

Now, many people absolutely do go ahead with IVF without the PGD involved and that is your call to make along with your doctor's input.

Natural cycles sound great on paper but they often do not yield the success rates we like to see. IVF is a numbers game, and especially given your husband's low sperm count it could easily end up with no transfer month after month which is a huge disaster when you've got to travel from overseas every time. I do know that CNY clinics in New York offer natural IVF so if you want to look into that, it may be someplace to start.

There are many good clinics in the US and you can use this site to compare their success rates: https://www.sart.org/

You should NOT continue diet. If you plan to do IVF you should do everything you can to boost your chances of success with it. That having been said one mistake people make with IVF is taking too many and the wrong supplements so please let me go over any supplements you plan to take before you start them - many things that some people tell you to take have risks and side effects.

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

I just wanted to give you an update and have a little question again :-)

We have our 1st ICSI in the natural cycle (2 follicles) behind us (trigger injection only).

Unfortunately, one egg cell was immature and the second egg cell could not be fertilized. We were told that the sperm did not stay in the egg because it "broke". Have you heard anything like this before?

At the same time I was diagnosed with anemia (iron deficiency). is it possible that my egg cells are not strong enough? (But hormones are all ok). Always struggled with iron.

We are now just wondering whether we should try more ICSI's or whether that could always happen and it won't work anyway?

I would now have done the 2nd ICSI with letrozole and then possibly stimulated the 3rd more, but I'm not there yet, because I want to take as few hormones as possible.

Maybe you can help me a little, I'm totally confused why this happened. Could it be that the egg cell already broke during the puncture? Or is my egg not good/strong enough?

Would you do an iron infusion?

ICSI has such great successes in fertilization and everything else looked very promising, had 2 follicles again in the natural cycle... Thanks Atomic, maybe you know something :-)

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, when you do a natural IVF/ICSI that is the gamble. You simply won't have the same number of mature follicles you would with the medication, and so it's absolutely possible to have an immature follicle. Additionally, you are injecting a single cell with a needle and another cell with the ICSI process, so sometimes things go wrong. This does not mean anything was wrong with your egg. While there are certainly eggs that break more easily than others, even the best egg in the world has this risk when a technician is injecting them with ICSI. They do have a couple of tricks they can use to help with "fragile eggs" but it is far more likely that given your age, this was just an accident by the technician trying to do something very difficult, and not anything amiss with your eggs at all.

This is why natural cycles are not at all ideal, because you will only get 1-2 eggs, and if something goes wrong you have nothing to show for your efforts.

It is highly unlikely this had anything to do with anemia. Definitely treat the anemia to aid in having a healthy pregnancy but I do not think this was caused by anything other than too few eggs to choose from and then bad luck.

Yes, this always has the possibility of happening (though that doesn't mean you shouldn't proceed!) IVF is a numbers game. 2 follicles, particularly if you are using ICSI, is simply not enough to have any reasonable expectation of success. It would be my hope that using letrozole or some other medication you'd have more follicles, but I can't know that going in. Sometimes even with the strongest medication people don't have good results, but given your age I would expect you to have better results with the appropriate medication.

[Biene2019]

Dear Atomic

First I would like to thank you for your always great news. They calm me down again and again and give me courage.

to my update:

I did a natural cycle with letrozole and I was able to recover 4 mature egg cells. Two of them were fertilized (ICSI). One embryo was transferred on day 3 and one embryo did not develop any further. Unfortunately, there was no implantation :( Now I'm a bit frustrated, of course, because I wonder what it could be. Or whether we were just unlucky or whether I should improve my egg cell quality? What is the reason for the low fertilization rate? You know the uterine lining was 9.3mm (otherwise it is always 12-16mm without letrozole).

Somehow I made myself more hopeful. I try to understand so much what is just not possible .....

This month I will do another iron infusion for my anemia and then possibly do a classic IVF / ICSI.

Stupid question, do you mean too much iron in me, massively increases the chances of blue or does that really no longer play a role in ICSI or IVF?

I'm almost a little embarrassed to ask, but I thought if then here :-)

Thanks for your feedback Atomic.

[atomic sagebrush]

That is not low fertilization rate. I do not know why they didn't fertilize the other two eggs, but 50-50 success rate with ICSI is totally in the range we expect to see. This is why maximizing the numbers of eggs you get is so critical for success with IVF. If you're saying they fertilized all of them and then you only had 25% fertilization rate, letrozole will be far less good at producing eggs than the stronger medications. There are reasons why they use the stronger medications, it is because they are simply better.

If you were to do a standard IVF they would give you medication to help you make as many eggs as you can and even some medications that may help you make better quality eggs than what letrozole alone produces.

There is nothing magical that you can do or take to improve egg quality. Can you please tell me SPECIFICALLY what you think you're in need of to "improve egg quality" because most of the supplements that claim to do that, are worse than nothing and will only harm your chances.

A lining of 9.3 mm is absolutely fine. That is not bad. In fact, depending on when your lining was checked, that may be a little too thick (and if that continues into the future, I'd definitely ask a doctor about why your lining is 14+ mm thick sometimes)

I am not understanding your question about the iron. I have reread my above message and I WANT you to treat the anemia. I did not warn you about the amount of iron?? If you are anemic you need to be treated for it, but I don't think that's affecting the outcome. You simply need stronger medicine to make more eggs, that's all.

Swaying really does not play a part in IVF because you MUST try for as many, and as high quality, eggs as possible. You also must try to be in optimal physical condition for pregnancy if at all possible. NO ONE is supposed to be swaying when doing high tech of any sort and I really do hope you have not been doing a sway diet this whole time.

[Biene2019]

You are right, I don't know what I could change for the egg quality either :-)

I didn't waver any more, I tried to give my body as much good as possible in order to have a successful ICSI. Unfortunately it wasn't enough.

My doctor never said anything about my uterine lining (12-15mm) because my values ​​are all OK. and I have a good cycle. What should this be? The next time I see him I'll ask him, I'm just afraid that he'll say it's normal as long as everything else is okay?

[atomic sagebrush]

It depends on when in the cycle you were tested. I have no way to know when you were tested, so it may be that WAS totally normal. That's why I said 'depending' in my above message, because some parts of the cycle it gets that thick.

If your doctor tells you that it was normal then they will know best because they know at the part of the cycle the tests happened.

[Biene2019]

all right, thanks Atomic. one more little question. What do you think of the "cordyceps". A colleague swears by these, apparently they increase fertility?

[atomic sagebrush]

Cordyceps are supposed to stimulate the immune system (to such extent that it may aggravate or possibly even trigger people to develop autoimmune diseases) and are also said to fight cancer and slow the growth of benign tumors by inhibiting cell division. You DO NOT WANT a hyperactive immune system when doing IVF, nor do you want anything that inhibits cell division when you may be pregnant. It can also act as a blood thinner, and I do not ever recommend you guys taking things that are strong blood thinners. All reputable sites say not to use it when TTC or pregnant and because you don't know how long the effects last you can't just take it and stop it (we do not know if that would be safe anyway).

With all respect to your friend, that is terrible, terrible advice and I beg you not to take it.